Islamic “peace” and Israel are mutually exclusive.
By Ted Belman
On October 26, 2005, Ahmadinejad gave a speech to the “World Without Zionism” conference in Iran. The New York Times’ published a full transcript of the speech in which Ahmadinejad was quoted in part as follows:
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Our dear Imam (referring to Ayatollah Khomeini) said that the occupying regime must be wiped off the map and this was a very wise statement. We cannot compromise over the issue of Palestine. Is it possible to create a new front in the heart of an old front. This would be a defeat and whoever accepts the legitimacy of this regime has in fact, signed the defeat of the Islamic world. Our dear Imam targeted the heart of the world oppressor in his struggle, meaning the occupying regime. I have no doubt that the new wave that has started in Palestine, and we witness it in the Islamic world too, will eliminate this disgraceful stain from the Islamic world.
Iran Broadcasting on its English-language website filed a story entitled: Ahmadinejad: Israel must be wiped off the map,
Ahmadinejad also claimed in the speech that the issue with Palestine would be over
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“the day that all refugees return to their homes [and] a democratic government elected by the people comes to power”, and denounced attempts to normalise relations with Israel, condemning all Muslim leaders who accept the existence of Israel as “acknowledging a surrender and defeat of the Islamic world.“
There is an attempt in certain quarters to argue that he didn’t mean that all Jews should be killed but that Israel should be removed as a political entity. I want to focus on the latter.
It is not only Iran that takes this uncompromising stand but also Saudi Arabia, the guardian of Mecca and Medina, and all Arab countries in their orbit, do also.
Fatah’s Constitution states
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Article (12)
Complete liberation of Palestine, and eradication of Zionist economic, political, military and cultural existence.
Hamas’ Charter is a religious affirmation of the following principle
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Article Eleven
The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine has been an Islamic Waqf throughout the generations and until the Day of Resurrection, no one can renounce it or part of it, or abandon it or part of it. No Arab country nor the aggregate of all Arab countries, and no Arab King or President nor all of them in the aggregate, have the right, nor has that right any organization or the aggregate of all organizations , be they Palestinian or Arab, because Palestine is an Islamic Waqf throughout all generations and to the Day of Resurrection.
Do not think for a moment that Saudi Arabia doesn’t agree with all these articulations. That’s why it wants to unify Fatah and Hamas. They all have the same goal. And remember, “Palestine” includes Israel.
When Ahmedinejad spoke at Columbia he said,
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“And my second question, well, given this historical event, if it is a reality, we need to still question whether the Palestinian people should be paying for it or not. After all, it happened in Europe. The Palestinian people had no role to play in it. So why is it that the Palestinian people are paying the price of an event they had nothing to do with? [The Balfour declaration preceded the Holocaust by 24 years.]
The Palestinian people didn’t commit any crime. They had no role to play in World War II. They were living with the Jewish communities and the Christian communities in peace at the time. They didn’t have any problems. [They attacked Jews throughout the 24 years.]
And today, too, Jews, Christians and Muslims live in brotherhood all over the world in many parts of the world. They don’t have any serious problems. [Yes they do.]
But why is it that the Palestinians should pay a price, innocent Palestinians, for 5 million people to remain displaced or refugees abroad for 60 years. Is this not a crime? Is asking about these crimes a crime by itself? [The Arabs not the Jews must take responsibility.]
So our proposal to the Palestinian plight is a humanitarian and democratic proposal. What we say is that to solve this 60-year problem, we must allow the Palestinian people to decide about its future for itself. [There is no such people.]
This is compatible with the spirit of the Charter of the United Nations and the fundamental principles enshrined in it. We must allow Jewish Palestinians, Muslim Palestinians and Christian Palestinians to determine their own fate themselves through a free referendum. [The UN created Israel]
Essentially he is saying that the creation of Israel should be undone and that the nation of Palestine including Jews, Muslims and Christians must decide by democratic vote. Of course he includes all Palestinian refugees throughout the ME in such a referendum, knowing full well that the Arabs would outnumber the Jews and thus Palestine, which for Muslims has always included Israel, would replace Israel as the political entity.
Now, when Saudi Arabia or Muslims in general offer “peace”, we must understand what they mean. According to About.com
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Critics and observers must not forget, though, that “peace” here is inextricably intertwined with “submission” and “surrender” ā€” specifically to the will, desires, and commands of Allah, but of course also to those who set themselves up as the transmitters, interpreters, and teachers in Islam. Peace is thus not something achieved through mutual respect, compromise, love, or anything similar. Peace is something that exists as a consequence of and in the context of submission or surrender.
This is an excellent rendition of what Islam holds forth.
Thus “peace” and Israel are mutually exclusive.
Hugh Fitzgerald wrote in The “Two-State Solution” Folly based on folly
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But Bush and Rice and Company are desperate for a “victory”.¯ And whenever a “victory”¯ is needed, it’s Peace Process Time in the Middle East. That’s always good for all kinds of sentimentality, and exaggerated false hopes, and studied inattention to the dismal facts, including the central fact ” the unavoidable fact, the absolutely critical fact ” of Islam, and the impossibility of Arab Muslims ever, ever conceivably accepting the permanence of the Infidel (and what’s still worse, Jewish) state of Israel.
Peace treaties between Muslims and non-Muslims are always Truce Treaties, to be broken at the earliest opportunity.
The Arab League has offered “normalization” only and only after Israel retreats will it be discussed. This is just a long word for “Hudna.” What’s worse, neither Israel or the US is demanding an end of conflict peace agreement.
The impetus and the financial backing for the ISM, the PSM, Apartheid Week and all the Boycott campaigns comes from Hamas which comes from the Muslim Brotherhood and they all are against the two state solution and for the destruction of Israel.
If that is not enough there are many people on the left who believe the creation of Israel was a grave mistake and that it should be undone. Recently, the University of Michigan began distribution of a book published in Britain which advocates just that.
Written by a professor of social studies at Bard College, Joel Kovel’s Overcoming Zionism advocates abolishing the State of Israel and replacing it with a single secular state with no ties to the Jewish people.
Now I ask you, why should the Arabs settle for less. Every concession by Israel brings the Arabs closer to their goal.
All of this begs the question of whether Islam is content with wiping Israel off the face of the map or whether it also intends to wipe he Jews off the face of the earth. Francisco Gil-White writes to advise
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Both the Fatah and PLO constitutions call for the extermination of the Jews. The Fatah constitution says that armed combat is a “strategy, not a tactic.” In other words, killing Jews is itself the political goal. And the PLO constitution says in Article 9 that “armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine.” By Palestine they mean Israel. In my view, you have misinterpreted the constitutions. They call for genocide. My full analysis of the PLO Charter or Covenant is here.
You state that Saudi Arabia wants to unify Fatah and Hamas. The problem here seems to be a short attention span. It was in part through YOUR work, if you recall, that I was able to demonstrate conclusively that Hamas and Fatah have never been rivals, but two branches of the same movement. Saudi Arabia cannot be trying to unify something that is already a unit. You are mistaking the theater of politics for the political reality, even though you know better (this appears to happen repeatedly, the reason being, in my view, that it is just much too difficult to remember that there is a theater of politics, and you keep wanting to take it seriously — you want the world that you think you see to be real).
The best guide the Iranian ruling elites intentions (and, by the way, Ahmadinejad has ZERO power, it is really the Ayatollahs who run things) is, as always, what they do. And what they do is this: they have created and financed Hezbollah, and Hezbollah means to kill every last living Jew.
THERE IS NO DIPLOMATIC SOLUTION.
BETTER JUDEA AND SAMARIA WITHOUT PEACE THAN “PEACE” WITHOUT JUDEA AND SAMARIA.
So what Ahmadinejad is saying is that the Islamic world is at war with the West (i.e. Civilization), which is what we have contended for quite some time.
Only the intellectually obtuse or those whose intellects lead them to tie their intellectual knickers in a knot, would debate the meaning of what Ahamdinejad really meant by what he said about wiping Israel off the map.
Did he really mean what he said or was it just rhetoric? If he really meant it, did he really mean that in a rational and peaceful manner Israel should accept the Palestinian claimed right of return and allow a referendum to determine what Israel should be. Of course Ahamdinejad, premises his thinking on Israel accepting the Palestinians’ claimed right of return. with such an increased Muslim population within Israel, a referendum surely would lead to a new Islamic state, given the certainty of a Muslim majority voting in such referendum.
For those who do not wish to be confused between what they are told and what their own eyes tell them, regard should be had to the words of Justice Potter Stewart, Justice of the Supreme Court of the U.S. when he wrote as part of his decision in the 1964 case of Jacobellis v. Ohio, 378 U.S. 184, 197 (1964) in trying to provide an explanation of “hard-core” pornography, or what is obscene:
(Quote from article Movie Day at the Supreme Court or “I Know It When I See It”: A History of the Definition of Obscenity, by Judith A. Silver found at following website:
http://library.findlaw.com/2003/May/15/132747.html
There is no need to go beyond or behind the words of Ahmadinejad to glean his clear meaning. Believe your own ears and eyes and do not be beguiled or misled by the intellectuals who would tell you otherwise.
Bill
I always understood this to mean by force. But I was told that someone on a CBC program on Sunday said it didn’t mean that so I googled the issue and yes there is a debate as to what was said or the meaning of what was said. In my post I simply acknowledged the issue but focussed on wiping Israel off by map by undoing its creation. Of course if they don’t succeed, there is always force. Then again as Bush says “all options are on the table”. The same go0es for Ahmadinejad.
You see, I didn’t want to get my knickers in a knot so I avoided the debate.
While we debate the meaning of the word is with Ahmadinejad, the Israeli papers today are loaded with stories of demands by the Palestinians for a pre-conference commitment on the part of Israel to withdraw to the 1948 Auschwitz lines, a surrender of half of Jerusalem, and an agreement to accept the return of untold thousands of Palestinians to Israel proper. In the mean time, the would-be fashion model Livni announces to the world that Israel will be surrendering territory but she understands that this will not end the conflict. All of this made possible by the dynamic duo of George Bush and Condoleeza Rice who are squeezing Olmert’s testicles in return for a promise of military support against Iran.
Am I just being sentimental or are the Jews being escorted towards the next Holocaust?
The prophet Ezekiel specifically mentions Iran (by it’s ancient name Persia) as being in the alliance of nations that comes up against Israel militarily “in the latter years” (Ezek chapters 38&39), but at a time when Israel is living “securely”(38:8) in the land (beware of the hudna). That war will require major post-war cleanup with crews set apart to mark and bury bones (39:12-16), and seven months of burying to cleanse the land, and burning the weapons will take 7 years (39:9).
No need for escort. They carry their own luggage as they used to.
Since Newt Gingrich announced he will not run at the nom. for President of USA,I believe we are now left with no credible leader who we may count on from America during the next five years. Not that past American leaders were those with whom we could count on but as of this moment we are quickly heading towards a juxtaposition, of many diverse factors, all will effect and affect our existence here in Israel and possibly the future of the Jewish people as well. What we do here will effect as no less than what happens externally. My logic; dictates that we concentrate on what we do here rather than what others may or may not do externally. What we do here is largely controllable by us and what others do is much less if not at all under our ability to influence and thus control.
Since far too many Israelis and Jews view if at all The West Bank as trade able real estate, I think it is past time that some of us Jews who want to preserve the J& S part of the Land of Israel in Jewish Hands and sovereignty, take matters in our own hands and deny the Government of Israel any say in the matter.for you ref: as to HOW PLEASE READ FOLLOWING:http://samsonblinded.org/blog/category/judea
My answer to the dilemma we Jews who are intent on keeping all of Historical Israel intact and in solely |Jewish hands and Jewish sovereignty is to pre emt the Israeli Government and the Arabs and declare a separate Jewish State to be called Judea or anything else agreed upon! one outline of what it will be and how to go about it are outlined in the following blog: There must be a lot of variations on this theme but the course and solution are all there. http://samsonblinded.org/blog/category/judea
I take the quote below from FGW
This is the most important reality of Jewish people to take on board.
What is presented to us through the Media is never the reality.
To find the reality it is wise to look at what the combatants do, never what they say.