Why I hate the “peace process”
By Ted Belman (first posted Nov 28/07)
1. It ignores Israel’s legal right to all the land. The Arabs have no legal right to the land.
2. It ignores that Jerusalem is the holiest site in Judaism. Christianity and Islam can’t make such a claim.
3. It ignores that Israel conquered Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria in a defensive war thereby entitling Israel to keep them.
4. It ignores that the Charters of Hamas and Fatah call for the destruction of Israel.
5. It ignores that Islam requires that Israel be wiped off the map.
6. It ignores that any “peace” agreement with the Arabs is a Hudna only.
7. It ignores that the PA has never lived up to its commitments undertaken pursuant to the “peace” process.
8. It ignores that the PA harbours, aids and abets terrorists.
9. It ignores that the PA has always incited its people to hate and kill Jews
10 It ignores that the PA has never done anything to advance peace.
11 It ignores that Abbas is a puppet without power or authority.
12 It ignores that Hamas is the elected government of the PA.
13 Although it ostensibly supports negotiations, it constantly puts restrictions on what may be negotiated, e.g., Palestine must be created, must be viable, must be contiguous, must have its capital in Jerusalem
14 It requires the right of return to be open for negotiations.
15 It is under the auspices of the UN which discriminates against and demonizes Israel
16 The US under the guise of being Israel’s friend, forces Israel to act contrary to its interests.
17 No one in the Quartet is impartial
18 The end result is a foregone conclusion.
19 Israel doesn’t have the right to say “no”.
20 The Arabs are not held accountable for creating both the Arab and Jewish refugees.
21 The Arabs are not held accountable for terror or anything else.
22 All promises made to Israel by the US and the PA are routinely broken.
21 Israel is accorded no respect.
22. Israel is denied the right of self-defense
23 Israel is subject to constant criticism.
24 It will bring war not peace.
25 The Arabs refuse to recognize Israel as a Jewish state.
I could go on but will leave that to you.
November 28th, 2007 at 2:15 pm
November 28th, 2007 at 2:40 pm
Olmert wants to continue, Shas and Lieberman have him handcuffed as long as they stay in the Govt. Olmert would like to have secret negotiations with Abbas and co. with even the knowledge of Livni and Barak, the declar elections and run on proposed agreements reached in secret.( sort of like referendum but elections instead which is like a referendum but 1 issue elections instead) But in the ME impossible to keep secrets as leaks also come from Palis. Even if Shas and Liebrman were to leave the coalition it is conceivable that Olmert could still survive in MINORITY COALITIONwith votes from Meretz and Arab parties.
On the Other side of the coin we face a major conflict in Gaza in days or weeks and no one knows how this could impact and how it will end. One side War the other Peace: what a Leader! Shas wants to hang in the Coalition till the budget for 08 is passed they have till the end of March. Lieberman who has lost respectability and popularity by staying in the Coalition can claim that he helped limit or kill the Big giveaways Olmert had Planned. There may be some truth in this.
Since the right is ineffectual and Leaderless they cannot pose by themselves any effective opposition to the present coalition! WHERE IS BB? Still waiting for something or someone to do his dirty work so he won’t be accused of making commitments he has no intention of keeping. He learned that by keeping his big mouth shut he keeps his popularity up.
Hey: we are living in the ME where nothing ever goes according to plan
November 28th, 2007 at 3:24 pm
I would like a peace process if it really meant peace. In the next year we will see more and more countries doing their own Annapolis-style peace meetings. Iran and Russia have already scheduled their own in each country.
These are the 2007-2008 versions of the Durban hatefest, Iran’s Holocaust denial summit and various Arab League and Saudi meetings. They are more about Israel bashing and assertions of Islamic and Russian power over the world than they are about finding real peace. They are also about challenging US power. I am sure that Venezuelan president-for-life Hugo Chavez will be on the “A” list for an invitation.
I suggest Canada host a peace meeting that sets out as its goal to find donor countries, especially in the Arab world, to house, feed and employ Palestinians outside of the West Bank and Gaza – now that would be an advancement to see Arabs helping Arabs for a change!
November 28th, 2007 at 4:27 pm
Re: 13;
If the “peace process” requires the new Arab state to be = contiguous = …
and if…
the successor in office to King David…
participated at the Annapolis Conference,
something is keeping the equation out of balance.
I’m reminded of a statement from a decade ago.
“While we have a plethora of Jewish organizations, this generation suffers from a lack of leadership.”
DOV HIKIND
THE JEWISH PRESS 19 Sep 97
Diaspora Jews are living in the past with their WWI decayed organizations and no leadership.
To engage in hostile peace conferences and they will continue and they will have biased parties,
read: JEWISH STATESMANSHIP - Lest Israel Fall
by Paul Eidelberg.
Time is running out but:
Joshua took them by surprise, marching all night from Gilgal
JOSHUA 10:9
Time for a beer………….
Kol tuv,
November 28th, 2007 at 7:24 pm
Excellent list.
Exactly. So why even bother to have a summit since the very purpose of negotiations is to come to an agreement which has not been decided upon? Annapolis is merely a show, a pretense of a negotiated settlement between two sides. In reality this summit is for the purpose of putting a gun to Israel’s head in order to force it to capitulate to all of the arab gangsters demands.
November 28th, 2007 at 10:52 pm
Miracles happen. I read that the Arab representatives ignored Livni. Perhaps she noticed their hostility. Perhaps President Bush noted the absolute rebuff of Israel and is now thinking about stupidity of anyone wishing to trust their existence to these cannibals. The Arab riots in Gaza, the rejection of Israeli Arabs of Abbas, remarks of Ahmadinejad were all mentioned in the press. Perhaps the press saw the lopsided conference for what it was, the “group rape of Israel.” The blanket rejection of Israel as a Jewish State should make the entire process a none-starter.
The thing about these gatherings is that feelings become public. When the King of Persia could not sleep, he had the court records read to him and determined that Mordechai was worthy of recognition. Perhaps someone will notice the virtue of Israel on the background of Arab perversity as the result of Annapolis. Am I asking too much?
November 29th, 2007 at 12:43 am
The lying peace process exposes how Jews refuse to accept Israel as a Jewish state, and how Jews are willing to sacrifice each other and sell out the Land and People of Israel if the price is right, both political and religious leaders are guilty of these sins that stink to High Heaven.
The lying peace process is part of an accursed replacement theology - replacing Jews with Arabs and forging “Palestine” to usurp Israel. Notice how every biblical territory that Israel surrendered without a fight, dismembered from the Jewish homeland, had to be Judenrein, and the world is deathly silent about it.
The lying peace process reminds us of the fact that our Great Creator God needs to remind the nations that they are but men, that they’re only mortal, and what chutzpah they exhibit carving up the Promised Land of Israel for Ishmael and Amalek, hoping to create further instability, chaos and confusion, so bloody Europe can offer treacherous “peacekeeping” troops to restore law and order. Europe’s New Crusade of “Peace” will brutally betray both Arab and Jew, and seize Jerusalem for themselves.
Biblical Christianity can and should claim that Jerusalem is our holiest site and that we prefer it under Jewish sovereignty, never under German-Jesuit EU occupation or Nazi-Muslim supervision.
The lying peace process forces us to watch how “experts” are idiots and the “educated” are fools, either playing stupid or being useful idiots all the way to the bank at Israel’s expense…
November 29th, 2007 at 12:53 am
Stop using the term “peace process” and call it what it is, a taqqiya process. The Palestinian track record is an endless litany of lies and broken truces, and it is a waste of time to negotiate with them. Force, or the credible threat of force, is the only thing these barbarians understand.
November 29th, 2007 at 12:55 am
Elon writes
Reasons 26 and 27 is that it would place practically the entire country in range of rocket attack with the sole possible exception of southern Negev and it would it would jeopardize 30%(?) of Israel’s freshwater reserves.
November 29th, 2007 at 12:58 am
28. Israeli Arabs living in East Jerusalem who consider themselves Israeli first and Muslim second will be exterminated as soon as Fatah/Hamas takes over.
You also might be wrong about Christianity in #2.
November 29th, 2007 at 1:03 am
I also hate the lying peace process for permitting professing Christians to desecrate the holy name and horribly misrepresent Christianity, from Saudi prostitutes like Jimmy Carter to CFR stooges like Condi Rice - who brayed she’s read the Bible (now if she only believed it and feared God to disobey it)- and false prophet of peace George Bush with his lying visions that contradict the Bible and New Testament, preaching an accursed “Palestine” that would pervert parts of the Jewish Homeland into something against the Word and Will of God.
November 29th, 2007 at 1:03 am
There are various Christian sects which revere different sites. For most Christians, Bethlehem was more significant.
November 29th, 2007 at 1:11 am
You might be right, but I never heard a Christian saying “pray for the Peace of Bethlehem”
November 29th, 2007 at 1:16 am
That’s why I specifically said, “Biblical Christianity.” We know that Jerusalem was, is and always will be, THE holiest place on Earth, even if other professing Christians prefer someplace else or Catholics fall for Rome.
November 29th, 2007 at 1:19 am
The lying peace process is also hateful for permitting professing Christians to desecrate the holy name and horribly misrepresent Christianity, from Saudi prostitutes like Jimmy Carter to CFR stooges like Condi Rice and false prophet of peace, George Bush, with his lying visions that contradict the Bible and New Testament, preaching an accursed “Palestine” that would pervert parts of the Jewish Homeland into something against the Word and Will of God.
November 29th, 2007 at 3:15 am
Even the ones that purchased said land in good faith? Or indeed passed it down through families that have converted from Judaism centuries ago?
*shrug* Personally I think Israel is within thier rights to keep them… and has a moral obligation to incorperate said area’s inhabitants as full citizens.
I would happily see them gutted as a political force, I merely differ with many here on how to best do so.
Rather questionable asstertion to say the least.
This is what we call a start, or do you think even ongoing war is worse than a cease fire?
I questioned the wisdom of a two-state solution for a long time, and the P.A. has not impressed me at all.
The P”L”O has certainly managed to blow everything in the effort to line their own pocket.
Note that they ran on a dual platform of honest government, democracy, and easing Israeli “Restrictions/Harassment”. Thier utter failure across the board has eroded thier support base severely, but Fatah offers few other alternatives.
I say again, make a single state for all the citizens instead of these idiot squabbles. To create a seperate state for the Arabs of the CisJordan both robs them of any chance for a lot of refugees to return home and provides justification for Israeli Arabs to be `transfered’ at the behest of the Barking Mad Right.
See above. I consider it an Either-Or thing.
Anyone else you have in mind?
Actually Israel does. Suggestions on alternatives?
Why must individuals be punished for the actions of governments? Often governments long gone at that.
The same claim is made all around. What would comprise respect in your eyes?
I say defence against actual enemies is a duty. I just wonder if current polity is efficient.
Of course, far too many try to justify literally everything as Self Defence.
Try being in the U.S.
What do you think would bring peace?
Define Jewish State? It is no theocracy….
HTG
November 29th, 2007 at 7:06 am
Bismillah el Rahum Wa’el Hanun,
Alhamdillah as Saida Belman!
We of the Islamic Resistance are united with you in our opposition to the Annapolis peace process.
By showing that Zionist fanatics are as xenophobic, bloodthirsty and eager for Jihad as we are, you have done a great service to the cause of the Palestinian resistance.
No anti-Zionist could put the case with as much authority and authenticity as you do..
You can see a summary of our brave activiities protesting against Olmert and Abbas, lackeys of the Americans here:
http://www.terrorism-info.org.il/eng/eng_n/annapolis_281107e.htm
Protests of the Annapolis meeting
We are brothers in spirit:
You, like us, believe that peace is impossible.
We believe that all of Filastin was given by Allah to our people. You believe that all of Israel was given by God to the Jews.
We say “Filastin Arduna, Wa’al Yahud Kilabuna” - Palestine is our land and the Jews are our dogs. They have no rights.
You say “Israeel Arduna, Wa’al Arabiyeh Kilabuna” - Israel is our land and the Arabs are our dogs. They have no rights.
Like us, you believe that armed struggle is the only solution.
Like us, you insist that Zionists are bloothirsty fanatic expansionist warmongers.
So we are brothers in the same cause - mayhem and murder.
Let us unite our forces in opposition to the evil and weak proponents of normalization. We must continue the struggle until everyone is dead. All the Muslims will be in paradise, enjoying our virgins, and all the Zionists will be in hell, punished by Allah for their greed.
As it is written “And you shall kill them wherever you find them” - right?
Harb Aleikum.
Yours in brotherhood of Jihad,
Izz-e-din bin Fanatik
November 29th, 2007 at 7:17 am
There never will be peace in Israel until the rest of the world realizes that Islam is a wicked religion. I am tired of people falsely saying Islam is a religion of peace. The only reason you have moderate Muslims is because there not doing what their Koran advocates.The mind set of the Muslim who truly understands his or her Koran will only continue to seek and destroy others who reject this diabolical belief system. If every Christian would obey the new testament according to what it states, we could change the nation in a week and correct the problems. Things done Gods way always work. The God of Abraham is not the god of the Muslim. On the other hand, if every Muslim obeyed what the Koran teaches, America would be under seize. These are not radicals that are causing problems, there just doing what this wicked book teaches. Destroy the religious system. Destroy Mecca and the Dome of the Rock, you will destroy Islam. Educate the people about how and where this false religious system started, and just maybe we can begin to rid the world of this Satanic belief system. Even in the Jewish Torah it teaches that Islam is a religion of the sword. Read Genesis. Jacob and Esau.
November 29th, 2007 at 8:15 am
Isseroff gets high marks for his very creative comment.
November 29th, 2007 at 9:06 am
If there was any doubt or uncertainty as to where Ami Isseroff is coming from, on his worldview, from what paradigm he argues, these have been laid to rest with his post above.
Isseroff is a moral relativist; one who cannot distinguish between the attacker and the defender, the aggressor and the victim. For Isseroff, the party that holds onto land won in wars of annihilation waged against it, the party that establishes a strong military force to defend its land and its people against terrorist attacks, the party that refuses to succumb to a totalitarian and implacable enemy sworn to destroy it — that party is just as culpable as the party which waged the wars, launches the attacks, covets the land, and seeks the Other’s death or subjugation.
For Isseroff and his ilk, we are all just human beings; there is no distinction between the mindset, the objectives, or the methods of the combatants.
You are transparent Ami.
And Bill, for an intelligent lawyer, you are too easily snookered.
November 29th, 2007 at 9:11 am
Issroff is creative and a bit humorous in a smart-ass sort of way but I wonder how much humor he could find in the Holocaust or the Holocaust that the Iranians, Hamas, Fatah and Hezbollah are planning for Israel and others. Isseroff’s passivity and putting false blame on those who defend Israel is a roadmap to conflagration and to an Islamic Caliphate where Israel now stands, it is not the road peace as he claims. Isseroff seems to want Israel to commit national suicide. He reminds me of a Noam Chomsky in that regard, blaming the victims and morally rewarding the aggressors.
Isseroff also falls into the trap of many others who see an equivalency between the fighter fighters and the arsonists, as if the defense of Israel is the cause of war, not the terrorists who initiate and keep it going despite other options. Does Isseroff actually want to negotiate with people who do not recognize the existence of Israel and hate Jews because they are not Muslims? That would be like negotiating with the Nazis over the existence of Judaism. I guess that Isserof did not understand the lessons of the Holocaust and the need to protect one’s family and country against enemies who would rather have you dead. Palestinians have many countries to choose from but Jews do not. Be careful Mr. Isseroff not to wish upon your people the ethnic cleansing those fascists in then Islamic world also are promoting.
You have insulted an entire religion and people by equating them to those who also wish to destroy them. You must be blind or a real creep not to see the stupidity of your analogy.
November 29th, 2007 at 9:24 am
It is disgusting when a scholar of Isseroff’s repute stoops to this
I am dumbfounded. How could he possibly equate Zionists with Jihadists? Disgusting.
There is nothing that I wrote in my reasons that would entitle him to refer to me as “xenophobic, bloodthirsty and eager for Jihad”.
Isseroff has lost it. Or maybe that’s what he always says and writes.
November 29th, 2007 at 9:43 am
Charles, I was not snookered by Isseroff.
I just thought to quickly note that I did appreciate his creativity in countering Ted’s points. I actually found myself chuckling as I read it.
That I did not take Isseroff on should not be taken as my being ad idem with Isseroff. Besides, I knew there are many equally, if not more capable then I to give Isseroff what for.
November 29th, 2007 at 10:12 am
Anyone who writes that they hate the peace process and that there is only a military solution can hardly expect to be mistaken for a pacifist or a humanitarian.
I found it entirely in character that Belman would write what Belman wrote, as previously Israpundit has characterized virtually every Prime Minister of Israel as a traitor, and had some choice words for me too.
Appparently you can dish it out, but you can’t take it.
The front page of Israpundit has emblazoned on it:
It is precisely equivalent to “Negotiations and international conferences are a waste of time. Jihad is the only way” - paraphrasing the Hamas Charter.
In what way does it differ? Aren’t you saying that negotiations and international conferences are a waste of time? That “armed struggle” is the only way? What else can your slogan mean?
How can someone who insists that there is only a military solution NOT be bloodthirsty?
How can someone who insists that another people living in a country have no rights NOT be xenophobic?
In your article you assert that Palestinian Arabs have no legal rights to the land. It is not much different from “All of Palestine is a holy Waqf granted to the Muslims by Allah.”
The Annapolis peace conference may be bumph, but that is no reason to speak out and in the name of “Zionism” or “Israel advocacy” advocate a position worthy of Attila the Hun.
You didn’t lose it. You never had it. Anyone who writes “Why I hate the Peace Process” and “There is only a military solution” lost it a long time ago, and might expect to be called bloodthirsty. How is it different from the stand of those Oozlebarts of the Islamic Jihad and Hamas demonstrating in Gaza? I know, because you represent the Jews and we are right, so it is OK for us to advocate violence and explain why we hate peace.
November 29th, 2007 at 10:38 am
PS- Who said what about Zionists??
Don’t be taken in by “Belman.” It was not “Isseroff” who equated Zionists with Jihadists. What I wrote, quite clearly, was that BELMAN equates Zionism with Jihadism. He tries to pass off his Jewish Hamasism as Zionism. Not even Jabotinsky would ever write that the Arabs have no rights in the land. The most extreme revisionist, while insisting on the need for defense, would never write that there is only a military solution.
Those are not Zionist positions, but Belman makes believe that they are. That is exactly what anti-Zionists say about Zionism.
November 29th, 2007 at 10:40 am
Ami , you distort.
I am against the “peace process” because it will bring us war not peace. Thus I am for peace and you are for war although you believe you are working for peace.
You are fully entitled to argue, it will bring us peace as I argue it will bring us war. So let’s keep the debate on that issue. This is not a time for name calling and characterizations. It is a time for rational debate.
I also don’t believe in peace at any cost. If we were talking about a fairer deal I would be more amenable to the process but we are talking about a one sided deal. Its take it or leave it. It is a choice between our eastern border being the greenline or the Jordan. I’ll take the Jordan. You know there is no other choice.
November 29th, 2007 at 10:55 am
I consider myself to be a fair and peaceful person and I would not be wasting my time by contributing to these pages if I did not think that Mr. Belman meant anything more by his slogans than Israel has a right to defend its people and its land (which, by the way, he has made good legal and ethical arguments showing that it is much larger than what the Arab neighbors are prepared to ever accept since they do not even recognize the Jewish people’s right to any land).
How can you say, Mr. Isseroff, that there is a diplomatic solution when the Islamists keep telling us that they don’t want a diplomatic solution and that they want our surrender? Yours is really more of a destructive and nihilist position that endangers the lives of people in Israel and the Arab nations. It is like telling the Jews of Eastern Europe in the 30s that they have nothing to fear except fear itself. Only a person with very suspect intentions will offer the heads of his own people on a platter for their destruction.
If we are talking xenophobia, there is no greater example in the history of man than the Islamic religion – it preaches, practices and encourages others to live apart from them as it asserts its superiority. There is no room in its books for compromise nor does it have any room for openness or tolerance for other religions and cultures. To say that Belman is insisting that Israelis be xenophobic is false – he wants Israelis and those in the Diaspora to be realistic and prepared; if you call that Xenophobia, then you need to look up that word in your dictionary once again.
What I hear you say, Mr. Isseroff, is that you are embarrassed by the frankness and directness of a vision that does not allow Jews to be made victims once again. All of your wishful thinking will do nothing to protect and secure Israel – it will, however, lower their guard and open up the door to another violent and xenophobic Islamic state. Is that what you prefer? I certainly do not and it is plainly clear that Mr. Belman also does not want that to happen.
November 29th, 2007 at 11:09 am
Yes, Washington, Lincoln, Roosevelt and Truman were “bloodthirsty”.
You really are shtoopid, Ami.
November 29th, 2007 at 1:57 pm
You have replaced a Zionist Socialism of hard working and dedicated idealistic warriors for the most just of causes and turned same into an ideology of WUSSES, PANSIES,APPEASERS, TRAITORS, IN ADOPTING THE NARRATIVE OF THE ENEMY AT LEAST TO THE POINT OF MORAL EQUIVALENCE , YOU HAVE PLACED YOURSELF IN THE ENEMY CAMP. ON THE OTHER SIDE OF RIGHT. YOUR ARE NOT JUST A PHYSICAL COWARD YOUR ARE A MORAL COWARD AND A DEGENERATE AS ARE MOST IN YOUR IDEOLOGICAL CAMP! YOUR FEAR OF VIOLENCE HAS TWISTED YOUR THINKING WHERE YOU ARE WILLING UNDER THE PHONY COVER OF HUMANISM AND BEING POLITICALLY CORRECT TO SELL OUT THE WHOLE JEWISH NATION. YOU ARE SO SCARED THAT YOU CAN NO LONGER DISCERN WHO THE REAL ENEMIES ARE ,AND REFUSE TO ACCEPT THEIR WORDS WHEN THEY TELL YOU RIGHT OUT WHAT THEY THINK OF YOU AND WHAT THEY WANT TO DO TO YOU. ITS FUNNY BUT IN A VERY REAL WAY YOU THINK AND RESEMBLE IN YOUR THINKING THE HEREDIM !!
November 29th, 2007 at 2:10 pm
The worst part of this new peace initiative is that Condoleezza Rice gets to decide which side is in violation and which is not. I am not kidding, in disputes about the process the US meaning the State Dept decides. The State Dept will assign an ambitious middle level Jew hater to arbitrate between the State of Israel and the murder gangs who roam Judea, Samaria and Gaza.
While I’m on the subject have you ever wondered why the US govt and media insist on calling Judea and Samaria by the idiotic name given the territories by the King of Jordan, West Bank. The talk about West Bank as if it doesn’t need a pronoun, and as if it is a place. They ignore the ancient biblical names because that seems to bolster the Jewish position in the dispute over the land. These are the same people who refuse to locate the American embassy in Jerusalem, and who have located a separate consulate in “East Jerusalem” another place that doesn’t exist. If you go there you better speak English or Arabic because they don’t speak Hebrew. And these, folks, are the people who will decide right from wrong in a dispute over peace commitments. God must be laughing his head off.
November 29th, 2007 at 4:55 pm
It should be clear to all- though I know it won’t be- through this infantile arab behavior, that the arabs have no genuine interest in a negotiated settlement. These people don’t know the meaning of the word “compromise”. They just want Israel’s surrender. When the arabs speak of wanting the U.S. to get involved in the “peace” process, what they are really saying is they want the U.S. to force Israel to capitulate to all of their demands. The arabs never negotiate in good faith, they can never be trusted. Will the Bush administration and the State Department, observing this behavior, come to realize the futility of any peace process? I doubt it.
November 29th, 2007 at 6:38 pm
This is for Ami courtesy of FLAME. Sorry for the length of the cut and paste; I couldn’t link.
November 29th, 2007 at 6:52 pm
Ami, Since when is pacifism a good thing? Show where in Judaism there is a term or conception of Humanism?Lets see now Bengurion had two faces and the bad face was his total blind hatred for the revisionists and begin, the Religious and virtually anyone who disagreed with him much like you Ami! He was the kind of lip service advocate of Democracy, but a Stalinist dictator in behavior and thought. One could say of him do as I day not as I do! Eshkol had the good fortune of having the Arabs as enemies otherwise we might have had the crab kicked out of us. He was lucky that the results were total victory then he let Dayan give away the temple mount foe what Galut fear kust like you Ami! Golda I liked but as an old tired Lady she trusted the mil. big mistake we need Leaders with hands on knowledge and not trusting to a bunch of mil. politicians with egos almost as large as yours and they too have never been correct in their assessment neither of themselves or the enemy. WE HAVE BEEN LUCKY!rABIN THAT ALCHOLIC DIM WIT WHO HAD AN IQ ABOUT AS HIGH AS YOURS. We really need chiefs of staff who have nervous breakdowns hours before the biggest and most critical battles in oe short history. HE was lucky and history was kind but it could have gone equally very bad. Peres is credited with one positive thing and that is Dimona but even here he never sought it the French offered it and Bengurion took it. Every thing thAT sob EVER TOUCHED UNDERMINED THE FABRIC OF THE COUNTRY. (sHOW ME A POLITICIAN any where in a Democracy who has spent over fifty years in politics and has never won an election on his own . He survived to our determent and my great sorrow through a political system that is democratic in name only and manipulates the Mob ( us) and always stay in power no matter what . here the people have no true voice thanks to your commie fore bearers and friends.Begin was maligned by you guys for years as a fascist and a demagogue. He was a Demagogue but not a fascist he was more of a Democrat than any of your friends and mentors. That was his failing, in the end he was the worst of them all as he had no spine and reveled in the accolades and applause of those who had maligned him for all those many years! He made me nostalgic for Mapai who I always hated. BB and Barak were traitors not because they caved to pressure of the Americans but because they betrayed the trusts of those who elected them. I am happy Sharon is where he is it is more fitting than death, THE TWILIGHT ZONE. MAY HE LIVE TO 120!
I suppose your political idol is Teddy Kollek the guy who turned patriots over to the British to be hung and he is not alone. I have in my files a long list and they all come from your side of our political divide.
Negotiations and conferences are a waste of time :prove me wrong by stating one positive result the Israel ever got out of them!You can only enter into negotiations with an enemy only after he has been devastated and totally destroyed on the field of battle. Like Germany and Japan. Then and only then you can dictate the terms of peace.
With the enemies we have Armed struggle in self defense is the only way to think otherwise it places you in the Psychiatrists for long term therapy! I have a cousin is is a good Psychiatrist, if you need a recommendation. He is booked months in advance but I can get you protection.
I insist that the Arabs are the real occupiers and they have no rights in a Jewish Land. They are a fifth column at best and an existential danger to our survival in the future. There is no room for them between the Jordan and the med. There I said it.
I am not blood thirsty I see an enemy who talks like and enemy walks like an enemy and acts like an enemy and it is my choice to kick him out of my country with lots of money in his pocket and a visa to Canada or to have to kill him sometime down the road, I think I am the humane one and you are the barbarian. You will also get me and mine killed so I have to consider you and others who think like you as a danger to me and mine, being naive won’t cut it. I will not risk my life because some fool thinks the world is still flat. Since we are both here this becomes personal. In this country bad ideas by even good and well meaning people can have serious and dangerous consequences for us all.
Funny that you mentioned one of my all time favorite historical characters: Attila the Hun. he is an excellent prototype of leadership we could use now! Kidding here, But a strong leader with a positive Jewish vision, is needed.
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November 30th, 2007 at 8:58 am
For htgriffin: pls. see following film which has most of the answers! http://www.terrorismawareness.org/what-really-happened/
December 1st, 2007 at 11:50 pm
When I was a child growing up in a Christian church and home, we studied the old testament which is the Torah and the prophets. This was to be learned first. I am grateful for that, and I believe that it was this training that has helped me to be passionate for Israel’s rights. It is true that Bethlehem is precious to Christians, but not much more than is Jerusalem and Galilee. Your deep accents and rich heritage is sweet to the souls of those who cherish G-d. Please never lose heart, stay strong, and remember that Hashem has called many to your voice and to your borders when you need us.