Obama’s Communist Connection
By Ted Belman
Under this title, I referred to two reports,
“Communism in Hawaii and the Obama Connection” by Herbert Romerstein,
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Herbert Romerstein, an author and investigative journalist, served as an investigator for the much-feared U. S. House Committee on Un-American Activities, the House Committee on Internal Security, and the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence. He was head of the Office to Counter Soviet Disinformation for the United States Information Agency. One of his recent books is the acclaimed THE VENONA SECRETS: EXPOSING SOVIET ESPIONAGE AND AMERICA’S TRAITORS.
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“Communism in Chicago and the Obama Connection” by Cliff Kincaid.
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Cliff Kincaid is an investigative journalist who specializes in analyzing the effects of communist and terrorist influence on the U.S. media. He is founder and president of America’s Survival, Inc., and editor of Accuracy in Media’s AIM Report. He is the author or coauthor of nine books, including WHY YOU CAN’T TRUST THE NEWS, and was instrumental in denying access to the U.S. media market to the Islamic terrorist Al-Jazeera television channel.
The reports are based on direct fact-finding and special access to historical, congressional, and investigatory documents.
SPONSOR: America’s Survival, Inc., , an independent watchdog group that monitors the United Nations and international terrorism.
A number of you wrote as follows
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“This kind of takes me back to the Cold War days, Sen. Joseph McCarthy, et al.”
“Enough of this obsession with Obama’s real or imagined affiliations ”
“The stuff your are pushing on Obama is verging on the point of “racism”, a term which I personally abhor myself.”
“where do you get this drek-are you a illegitimate step bother of roy cohn? you should feel ashamed to embrace tactics only joe mc carthy would endorse-”
These comments and many worse that I already deleted gave me a moments pause and I sent out a warning to my list that I hadn’t vetted the authors or read the articles and so could not stand behind what they were putting forth. Then I removed the post from this site.
I have now read the reports and can advise that they are well researched. Essentially they trace Obama’s Communist connection.
The report by Romerstein focuses too much on the Communist Party in Hawaii and I could have done without that. But it does connect the dots such as Paul Robeson and Frank Davis, both Communists with young Barack Obama and his wrings in Dreams of my Father. The influence on Obama is undeniable. Cliff Kincaid covers this in his introduction.
The Report by Kincaid sets out the connection of Obama with known Communists or socialists. Apparently Obama was hand-picked by State Senator Alice Palmer to replace her. Her ties to Communism are well documented.This was announced at a meeting in 1995 attended by Ayers Dohrn, Palmer and Young.
These people are all Marxists. The same can be said of Rev Wright and his church. Many blacks were drawn to Communism because it supported liberation movements all over the world and thus offered hope to blacks, as it did in the early years, to Jews.
A recent study named Obama as the most liberal Senator. If you are a liberal you will embrace him for that. But perhaps he is more than a far left liberal, he is a progressive and liberationist and perhaps a socialist. Certainly all liberationists support him including the Palestinians. His church supports black liberation theology.
These reports make the case far better than I do. It is for every voter to decide whether these reports make the case and whether it matters.
This has nothing to do with racism. It has only to do with Obama’s political philosophy.
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you would do well to ignore this nonsense as though you were revealing some deep secret! your “expert” is a fraud, retired many years ago and the source of earlier outrageopus accusations, for which see
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/2734
youre attempts to paint Obama as a commie,l a muslim, a hamas sympathizer–all make you lookk increasingly silly and, worse, paranoid. Vote for whom you wopuld but stop using the child-like tactics you seem to employ instead of addressing issues concerning Israel (no: the election has so9me time before it takes place and this candidacy thing is hardly of the moment)
Ted: You seem to have lost your moral integrity.Making allegations without providing solid proof is pure slander. Character assassination is a cheap shot, that in the case of Obama is self defeating. He comes back as strong as ever with each low blow thrown his way. What do you have to offer next, paedophilia, or how about cannibalism?
Ted:
Most interesting. The usual suspects i.e. the excuse-makers have come out of the woodwork. So they see nothing wrong with Obama’s “troubling” past? As expected they make light of a person’s ideological background as long as it is consistent with their own sympathies.
It is quite tiresome to read these people’s imputations of other’s lack of integrity (as if defending the indefensible is the very sign of integrity) and hurling charges of McCarthyism at anyone who challenges their now-comfortable “progressive” views. I always suspect their rather promiscuous use of the term McCarthyism. These are the very same types that continued defending the likes of Alger Hiss long after his guilt as a Soviet agent was proven again and again – never to their satisfaction! There were many others whose damage to America’s security was brought to light during the MCCarthy period. And the Hollywood Ten, another “outrage” under the rubric of McCarhyism? (By the way, McCarthy had nothing to do with Hollywood investigations.) At best these were over-pampered and overpaid fools, at worst commited propagandists on behalf of the Soviet “workers’ paradise.” Lenin’s designation for fellow-travelers like that overprivileged movie-making bunch as “useful idiots” was a perfect fit. (There are many of their type among us today. Just think of various Hollywood shills for Islamofascism.) Their penalty by the “fascist” American system? As Sterling Hayden told me in a 1977 CBC radio documentary: “So they were deprived of their swimming pools for a few years.” Cruel and unusual punishment, indeed!
McCarthy, less than perfect example of an American senator or a gentleman, was responsible for shining a light into the dark corners of U.S. government establishment and finding there some very dangerous characters.
HP
My integrity is intact. But I can’t say the same for people like you who say “Making allegations without providing solid proof is pure slander. Character assassination is a cheap shot, that in the case of Obama is self defeating.”
The only allegation here is that Obama has Communist connections. Do you deny this. Did you read the articles and give them a fair hearing. Or did you dismiss them out of hand without reading them.
If you have read them, tell me why they don’t make a credible and compelling case.
I do hope and believe that Obama has critical judgment. It is clear that B.O. has been under the influence of powerfu/overwhelming individuals who had their own life experience to judge society and to claim that everything communist/Marxist was wrong is absurd.
Not a single country has flurished under human made communism or Marxism. B. O. knows it.
B.O, is an intelligent individual who believes in DEMOCRACY.
One man cannot reverse the course of history no matter how much he wishes.
Our country is safe because of the separation of powers.
But we always need to exercise a watchful eye.
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You are wrong, wrong, wrong.
In a criminal charge we need proof beyond a reasonable doubt. In a civil trial we need need only the balance of probabilities to win.. In a a matter of life and death a 1% chance that a certain action will kill us is enough not to do it.
When it comes to voting for a President, we vote or refrain from voting for all kinds of reasons, some frivolious and some material. There is more than sufficient case made out about Obama to warrant not voting for him. For those of us who don’t want a president who will talk to Iran or a president who will force a deal on Israel our path is clear. For those of us who don’t want someone with his background, that too is enough reason not to vote for him.
Ted is one of the coolest internet bloggers there is.
Ted’s opponents are the trash and filth of lowest form of life there is and that is why they are always staring up into space and searching for more intelligent life on Mars because they have none among themselves!
Ted Belman is an advanced Israeli believer who is a hero of the written word and I applaud his efforts with his dynamite style of blowing up the enemy without bombs, guns, swords, or WMD’s! Obama, Louis Farrakhan, Hillary Clinton, and liberal leftists who have rejected the God of Israel will return to the dirt from which they came with no hope of recovery whatsoever – for they came from dirt and will return to dirt.
As for those of you ‘educated idiots’ who have nothing intelligent to offer Ted, except jealousy that you can’t come up with material that is even 1% as good, you can go crawl back into your caves and rocks you crawled out of or else join the Muslims with bowing with your asses upward for the gay community to show you the direction of your god, your face in the dirt in the direction of where your prayers will all end up – and kiss that black stone in Mecca which accurately reflects your jaded hearts!
You can go back to your pornographic pictures, your gay and lesbian parades, and your “Muslims for Christ” suicide bombings – as for us, we can only look at you, frown with over the loss of wasted flesh, then give a huge smile and grin for your futile arrogance, ignorance, and complete stupidity as you laugh your way to the lake of fire – your tunnel of light for opposing the God of Israel and His Saints.
Ted Belman is one of the saints of Israel and God will curse anyone who curses him! As for you, get your six foot plots ready and go home where you belong!
Communism, Socialism, and Capitalism doesn’t work.
I don’t hear any of Ted’s opponents offering intelligent dialogue on using some other system than the above three to create SUBSTANTIAL changes!
So far, all I hear about is how leftist communistic democrats want to raise taxes and move money around in a way that is different from Republicans. That’s it! You democrats just want to sell America out to foreign investors, make them rich, and make us poor – that’s all you have!
Well, here is another hurricane just for you! God’s Earth is speaking to you opponents of Israel’s God:
MOMMA’ SAID ‘KNOCK YOU OUT!’
What is tainted about the “Obama’s Muslim Connections”?
Just because Media Matters attacks info about Obama in Indonesia doesn’t mean that Media Matters is correct.
One must be extraordinarily “dim” to deny Obama’s Marxist and Communist ties and leanings. As voters, we have every right and privilege to explore, and yes – even think and write about the consequences of an Obama Presidency. Thankfully, someone – that would be Ted – is out here thinking and writing about it.
To Underzog, just look through IsraPundit’s archives to answer your question.
A safe and blessed Memorial Weekend to you Ted and everyone at IsraPundit.
Maggie
Maggie’s Notebook
Whilst Obama’s aleged communist connections are most definitely a concern, what all reporters (including Ted Belman) fail to mention is the one thing that ties Obama, Clinton AND McCain together is … membership of the Council of Foreign Relations. A careful examination of this organization and its membership should alarm every American. How is this for a quote by current serving CFR president Richard Haass,
“Moreover, states must be prepared to cede some sovereignty to world bodies if the international system is to function” Source: http://www.cfr.org/publication/9903/sovereignty_and_globalisation.html
Incidentally, Mr Haass was advisor on foreign policy for Mike Huckaby before he bowed out of the race.
My point is that a very powerfully orchestrated herding of the American sheep is at work by those wanting to achieve the CFR objectives of a New World Order, and they don’t mind driving the sheep dogs up the LEFT hand side (Obama/Clinton) or the RIGHT hand side (McCain and practically all the other former GOP candidates except for Ron Paul) of politics as long as the sheep keep moving in the right direction.
I would propose that it is NOT too late to bring on the stage a man free from all these NWO ties … Jonathan Allen http://www.HeartQuake08.com … With the current crop of main party candidates we will be guaranteed to be bitterly disappointed in 4 years time … Most people already are now in the heart of hearts but are putting on a brave face pretending that this is not all leading to a Brave New World.
HLKAMP
You are quite right about the CFR and the fact that McCain is a member of it. That’s why McCain has so much respect for Baker.
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If the suspicions about Obama are correct even half correct that would fit in with what Americans seem to WANT- that being CHANGE: The stupid Americans have never defined what they all mean by Change but with Obama they will find out, at least someones version of CHANGE. This is so exciting waiting to find out what is meant by Change? An aside that no one has yet to mention is when and how the anti Obama backlash will impact on American Jews. When the results of Obama’s Presidency become known and are felt by all They the Americans will blame the Jews for putting Obama in office. There seems to be a correlation between Jewish assimilation and pogroms. Gentiles tolerate the Jews who stick to their ghettos, but lash out against the Jews who inundate their Christian societies. Jews were exiled from Spain largely in the response to the exploding influence of Marranos, the converted Jews. As Christian converts, they encountered no restrictions and almost took over the Spanish society.
Jews became assimilated in America to a previously unseen degree. At the same time, the obnoxious Jewish influence is rampant: Jews and people of Jewish background are disproportionally represented among the American rich and, what is more important, among the detested liberals.
Xenophobia is a natural, positive attitude as people resist encroachment by aliens; societies strive to preserve their values against the onslaught of outsiders. Germans of pre-Nazi era feared Jews as communists bent on destroying their society; liberal Jews in America serve the very same role. American Jewish liberals were at the forefront of racial equality, affirmative action, gay rights, homosexual marriage, and many other developments which common Americans of the – really – “moral majority” perceive as questionable.
What a gift you have given to Barack Obama! Does he pay you?
Obama is an inexperienced and mediocre candidate. His policies on the Middle East are vague, warm and fuzzy for the most part. He seems to say whatever he thinks will make people happy. He is not qualified to be president IMO. But you are distracting from this by mounting absurd smear campaigns. You say he is a Muslim or that he doesn’t hold his hand right in the pledge, so he gets up and says “You may have gotten emails saying I’m a Muslim – not true.” Of course it is rubbish. And now he will get up and say “And I’m not a communist either.”
Meanwhile, in dismissing these absurd attacks, he distracts attention from the real issues that should make people think twice about voting for him.
He can’t be a wrong headed Christian AND a Muslim and also a communist, can he?
I am utterly confused. You sent allegations that Obama is a communist. Then you sent an apology for writing that he is a Muslim, and now you are back with the Commie allegations. There is not an iota of proof in either of the documents that Obama is or was a communist or a member of the CPUSA, or that he did more than associate with these people because they were interesting and important figures who had something to say about the plight of African Americans and said it well.
I cannot imagine for example, that anyone who had the chance to know Paul Robeson or Arthur Koestler in the old days – a young student especially – would say “I can’t talk to those people because they are COMMUNISTS. Sorry.”
Suppose I could have met EE Cummings or Ezra Pound. Pound was a Nazi and Cummings was an anti-Semite. But they were great poets. Anyone who gave up the chance to know these people would be fools.
Hemingway certainly met and knew a lot of communists in Spain. That didn’t make him a communist. It is not contagious.
Jabotinsky, Ben Gurion and others all knew Communists in Russia – real Communists, associates of Lenin. That didn’t make Jabo or B-G communists. George Marshall and Loy Henderson were obsessed that all Jews are Communists and that Israel would be a Communist state. We have been victims of that sort of thinking and we should know better than to propagate it. If you have any evidence that Obama worked for overthrow of the US government, favors collectivization or gave nuclear secrets to guys in shabby suits (or left them in microfilm dots in drops in the park) then please publish it. But saying “Obama knew X and admired his poetry and X was a communist, therefore Obama is a Communist” is silly.
Those two articles have a lot of information about the Communists – but nothing to prove that Obama was working for them, except that one guy praised Obama. Big deal. Arabs praised Obama. Jews praised Obama. He is a politician – knows how to be all things to all men.
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You did not even provide the bare minimum needed to establish 0.01% danger signal. There are also good reasons not to vote for McCain – he once wanted to send James Baker here to negotiate peace. For that matter, Clinton’s husband actually did send Aaron Miller and Robert Malley, didn’t he? I bet they all have rubbed shoulders with a lot of anti-Israel and anti-Semitic people at different times. McCain got endorsed by a minister who said that Jews are culturally did and that the Holocaust was gods plan to get the Jews to Israel. So McCain associates with lunatics and anti-semites – at least 1% chance. All three of them belong to CFR. You don’t like them either, and Mrs Clinton kissed Suha Arafat, no? On the basis of this sort of flimsy-whimsy stuff, you can eliminate everyone and stay home.
I think it was Clint Eastwood who said, “If you go to the far, far left, you will meet people coming around from the far, far right”. With the future of Western civilization AND America AND Israel AND world Jewry at stake, intense emotion is understandable, even if some comments are not. Since Israel is the first line of defense… the canary in the coal mine… in the defense of Western civilization against global Jihad, and since the US government is the “world’s only superpower”, the choice of president in ’08 is in everyone’s interest, not just US citizens’. And whether some argue that the litmus test ought to be what concessions the candidates would force on Israel, or that a candidate has a dangerous past association, or is a dot among other suspicious dots, or any other test, rational or not….it is all fair game. A worthy presidential candidate needs to be able to erase doubts, even if some voters will never change their views. Most people who vote have seen the damage done by the current government to the US economy, global prestige, and Constitutional guarantees. They will make up their minds on rational grounds. So let’s bring on all of the rumors, circumstantial evidence, and even false facts. Let’s make the candidates work hard to be elected, because if they can take it, they will be qualified to lead us all in defense of freedom. Freedom isn’t something you ever really have. You have to fight to get it… you have to fight to keep it… if you ever stop, it will be gone. On Memorial Day let’s remember with deepest gratitude all of those who fought and are fighting to defend freedom.
Jim Simpson at Truth and Consequences has been documenting Hillary’s connection to almost everything unAmerican. He has a couple of very good posts:
http://truthandcons.blogspot.com/2008/05/homegrown-terrorists-for-president-part.html
http://truthandcons.blogspot.com/2008/05/homegrown-terrorists-for-president.html
Jim’s writings are often published in high-profile Conservative publications.
Maggie
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Yamit wrote:
” Jews became assimilated in America to a previously unseen degree. At the same time, the obnoxious Jewish influence is rampant: Jews and people of Jewish background are disproportionally represented among the American rich and, what is more important, among the detested liberals.
Xenophobia is a natural, positive attitude as people resist encroachment by aliens; societies strive to preserve their values against the onslaught of outsiders. Germans of pre-Nazi era feared Jews as communists bent on destroying their society; liberal Jews in America serve the very same role. American Jewish liberals were at the forefront of racial equality, affirmative action, gay rights, homosexual marriage, and many other developments which common Americans of the – really – “moral majority” perceive as questionable.”
Yamits post could very well have come out of Adolph Hitlers’s Mein Kampf.
Hlkamp wrote:
” Whilst Obama’s aleged communist connections are most definitely a concern, what all reporters (including Ted Belman) fail to mention is the one thing that ties Obama, Clinton AND McCain together is … membership of the Council of Foreign Relations. A careful examination of this organization and its membership should alarm every American. How is this for a quote by current serving CFR president Richard Haass,
“Moreover, states must be prepared to cede some sovereignty to world bodies if the international system is to function.”
This quote comes straight out of jewWatch. com, which is an antisemitic, anti -black extremist, website. The Council of Foreign Relations, The Illuminata , New world order are all code words for the hated , all powerful and secretive LIBERAL JEWISH Conspiracy to rule the world. Most of the far Right on-line sites are buying into this nonsense.
The supposed reliable source for the Obama attack, Romerstein and Kincaid are very much part of this bigotted group. If you access any of the Neo-Nazi Web sites you will find the repeated false charges of Obama’s pro communistic past. None of important issues bedevilling Americans today are ever mentioned. Innuendo, racial slurs, outright lies are being used to besmirch Obama’s reputation, and much of Israpundit’s contributors are echoing this line.
T.B., you were quite correct in posting your retraction and again quite wrong in retracting the retraction.
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I understand Yamit to say that Xenophobia happens and guess who the target will be? He’s not promoting it. He’s predicting it.
So, indeed, it might as well have come out of Mein Kampf. Heads up!
No, it is you that are wrong, I’m afraid. This isn’t a criminal trial, nor is it a civil trial. It is Americans choosing their leader and the direction that we want to move our country in.
I thought you were Canadian, Ted. Why should it matter to us what kind of a president that YOU want? I hate to sound rude here, but I have been quietly watching your obsession with Obama and your attempt to hang all sorts of labels on him hoping that something will stick. I can’t sit back any longer — I had to say something.
I get it: you are only looking at this from the point of the security and survival of Israel. You see someone talk about talking to Iran and you go ballistic. You see appeasement, you see surrender, you see traitor.
There is a huge difference between talking to those you disagree with and surrendering to them. We certainly haven’t gotten anywhere by NOT talking. If anything, we’ve made things a lot worse.
Was Obama naive when he first said he would favor talking to the President of Iran with no conditions? Of course he was. I know he cited Kennedy’s direct talks with Kruchev as an example, but even Kennedy realized it was a mistake right afterwards. But still, there were lines of communication that were opened up and kept open ever since. One could argue that by having those lines of communication opened, prevented certain disaster.
Besides, since Kennedy, no American President has been allowed to walk into direct talks with adversaries without there being a lot of groundwork covered. Certain conditions have to be met, agendas have to be agreed to. Bush insists on concessions instead of conditions, or otherwise he would have been jawboning up a storm by now.
As far as Obama’s “background” goes, he was born to a Muslim father? He attended a Muslim school? He is black? Who cares? If anything, it means he has a lot better understanding of the problem than a pasty white guy does.
I’m going for Obama. I think that things will work out just fine with him.
The kool-aid drinkers will never be convinced of hussein obama’s nefarious ways regardless of what evidence you present. But I hope it does wake-up those who have been on the fence and are open to reason.
Peskin , have you read Mien Kampf? Much of what the right criticizing the left in their hatred of bush is now being directed with the same vehemence and vitriolic as the left poured upon Bush. There are some differences though Bush had a record of several terms as Governor of TX. and Obama? well not much. Bush talks funny and Obama the so called Black Intellectual talks like a bible belt preacher, and not like a Harvard law Grad. Bush has the Saudis Barak has Hollywood and Soros. Middle America is not happy today with either Bush because they think he is too liberal and Obama because he represents almost everything they find hateful and even anti American. Middle America will reject Obama unless they decide to stay home on election day or McCain says or does something totally stupid which is a possibility as he ain’t that bright. Brains was never a criteria for being president and America was never endowed with leaders who were overly bright but it has been the American Institutions that have preserved some modicum of social justice and fairness without much bias that has till now protected the individual and groups with repression that we have seen in most countries towards minorities and individuals, till now.
American Jews have and are doing today the exact things that in the past in other countries that have brought calamity upon themselves. In Europe most Jews lived in so called ghettos because the chose to do so not because it was imposed upon them although at times it was. Jews opted to live in ghetto to preserve Jewish way of life; Jews shielded themselves from Gentiles, not the other way around. Just before the major wave of pogroms shook the seventeenth-century Poland, Jews enjoyed many privileges and held lucrative administrative and commercial positions.
I don’t believe in exceptions. Every Christian country besides America and Canada persecuted and exterminated its Jews. The story of Jewish salvation in the Netherlands during Holocaust is a fiction; three quarters of Jews perished there. The Christians who settled North America did not come from the Moon, but from the anti-Semitic Europe. It would be unrealistic to expect them to shake off anti-Semitism at the American border. The support for Israel from some Christian fundamentalist groups also fuels anti-Semitic sentiment of the rest.
Though the US Administration is unlikely to incite against Jews, it does incite against Israel – which to the mob is the Jews. The government’s push for the peace process, the media’ picturing out-of-the-context Palestinian hardships invariably set a significant part of American population against Jews. Anti-Semitism was open and strong in America before the ex-Jews took leading positions in the victorious liberal movement in 1970s. To express anti-Semitism now is almost perceived as dangerous, especially in the business sphere where Jews are numerous and influential.
Jews believe they are assimilated, but the Gentiles generally recognize them for what they are – Jews, and the bad ones. The people who abandoned their own roots, who hate their own heritage, who abandon the idea for which generations of their relatives ascended the Christian stakes and gallows – they cannot be good. Jews, however assimilated, can never integrate into Gentile societies: they know those societies to be repressive, they fear Gentiles, and work, consciously or otherwise, to subvert the existing societies. Thus the abundance of Jewish liberals who attack the traditional morals of every society.
The extermination of Jews in the twentieth century followed their emancipation. In Ukraine, Jews broke out of the quarantine zones allocated to them by tsarist government, and just two years later 200,000 of them lay horribly murdered. In Germany, the Reform Judaism and communism trumpeted assimilation of Jews into German society; a decade after the Weimar Republic, Jews were on the road to annihilation. Stalin was preparing to exterminate Soviet Jewry in 1953 in response to Jewish influence in the Soviet society.He died the day before he was to sign the directive and it was on purim.
There seems to be a correlation between Jewish assimilation and pogroms. Gentiles tolerate the Jews who stick to their ghettos, but lash out against the Jews who inundate their Christian societies. Jews were exiled from Spain largely in the response to the exploding influence of Marranos, the converted Jews. As Christian converts, they encountered no restrictions and almost took over the Spanish society.
Anti-Semitism did not vanquish from the world. Polls show anti-Semitism in Europe, including Germany, steady at 25-35%. ADL polls show a little bit lower figures in America generally, but about that high among the Blacks and Mexicans, the most violent groups. The police remained uninvolved during the wave of anti-Semitic attacks by Blacks on Jewish neighborhoods in 1960s; now the police would be still more hesitant to round up the Blacks. White anti-Semitic groups are widespread, numerous, vocal, and armed. Probably in no country was anti-Semitism universal. A quarter of the population can do away with the Jews with the silent consent or natural indifference of the majority. I cannot accept the confidence that most Jews project , that it can’t happen here. It can and it will I just cannot predict under what the triggers will be but it will be. Maybe it will be Obama as the trigger.
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I don’t doubt that for a minute nor did I suggest it.
This article is about his communist connections. People say just because he knows some communists among many people he knows means little. While that could be true what is also true that his intellectual leanings have always been toward socialistic change. He wants to liberate the masses. He is an intellectual fellow traveler with his associates. They support him because of his intellectual leanings.
DJ Allyn
You are right. What I want is totally irrelevant to how Americans choose to vote. Nor did I ever say to Americans to vote for what I want.
I don’t have to respond to this. All kinds of Americans including Bush and McCain are against Obama’s position. And they don’t see it from it from Israel’s point of view. Why do you introduce my particular interest. Americans are debating this and Americans will decide it. Why did you make this a personal attack?
You went so far as to say that because of his Muslim background he might be better suited to deal with Muslims.
I certainly don’t care who his father was or where he went to school or whether he is black. I care what his policies are and for this I look to his past associations and against interest statements rather than his current self serving statements. I consider Islamofascism to be a big threat to the West in addition to Israel and Obama’s background check may give a better understanding of who the man is and what his value system is and what his priorities are. But I am just a Canadian. True . But are not Americans concerned about the man they may or may not elect as president?
Are you suggesting that Americans should not factor in his background and rely only on what he says. Of course a candidate’s background is always considered. But only when it comes to Obama, the liberal left they go on the attack to prevent the background from coming out or dismiss all facts as a smear or irrelevant. But that’s for the voter’s to decide.
Strangely you want to have it both ways. After saying “who cares” about his Muslim background, you reverse and say
Now being born a Muslim or being born a Jew doesn’t necessarily mean that you are loyal to your ethnic group. Nor that it means you are not. We have many Jews who are anti-Israel and antisemitic. Similarly there are Muslims who are against Sharia while others are for it. So saying that Obama’s Muslim heritage would better fit him to understand the problem has no intellectual foundation.
There are many blacks that I would vote for even if they were born to a Muslim father or went to Muslim school when they were young. The kind of Blacks that Obama shuns. It would be irrelevant for Obama, too, save for the fact of all his choices thereafter form a pattern.
h peskin:
Are not – and it embarrasses me to admit it – too many Jewish names connected with pursuit or occupations that Yamit82 listed?
Are you cringing as much as I do whenever an item pertaining to some filth (and contrary to Jewish values) is publicized in the media and a Jewish name comes to the surface?
Don’t tell me about the good Jews and their enormously positive contributions to the progress to mankind. Pornographers, “gay” marriage proponents or alternative lifestyles defenders are shameful are undermining the underpinnings of Western civilization. They erase all the good that we do. I find these people disgusting and have no interest in defending their civil rights. I guess nothing makes you sick.
Xenophobia? Whatever you call it. The desire to preserve one’s culture and reluctance to be swamped by something alien IS a naturally human reaction. What values shared by real people do you hold dear?
Citizens of the world have much to gain or lose by America’s choice for President. Young Palestinian men meet in Gaza, in a computer lab, to telephone Americans and urge them to vote for Obama before every primary. Al Qaeda has made it clear that they want Obama in the White House.
I am interested in every Conservative thought, everywhere, and how our Presidency is evaluated, because another Conservative in Canada is one more on my side, against those wanting a weak government for this country. Perhaps American can count on “other world” Conservatives.
Those who see their interests furthered with a very Liberal Presidency (both Obama and Clinton), do not have the best interests of Americans in mind – they want our resources – they want EVERYTHING.
Maggie
Maggie’s Notebook
I don’t see why the U.S. should take a chance on Obama making changes that could be extremely harmful to our society. It is hard enough to choose someone who appears to be supportive of our society and has walked the straight and narrow. Obama and his friends seem to veer periodically into lala land. There are times to take a chance on “change” but the time isn’t now and the risk with Obama is too high. Why make a high risk bet on a politician?
Ami Isseroff is correct in that in this election none of the three candidates are worth the trouble of going out to vote maybe if most people stay home the American people will get the message that there is something very out of sync in their political system. Any system that requires at least a half billion dollars in order to make a serious run for the office of president is open to many undemocratic and un savory influences even anti American influences if they supply enough funds in the kitty. My suggestion is that at least for national elected office the laws of all 50 states must be uniform and The American treasury will supply all of the funds in some equitable manner to all candidates. I would also suggest limiting the formal election campaign time to no more than 3 months. Because of the system in America the democratic principle has been corrupted as well as the politicians. I would also make the laws tight and the penalty for non compliance heavy. In this manner maybe good, honest and qualified people will seek public office. As I see Americans are not getting fare value in and from their elected officials and because of Americas dominant global position, the world is also being short changed. If America really wants CHANGE they can start with electoral reform first.
Ted Belman writes above:
“The Report by Kincaid sets out the connection of Obama with known Communists or socialists. Apparently Obama was hand-picked by State Senator Alice Palmer to replace her. Her ties to Communism are well documented.This was announced at a meeting in 1995 attended by Ayers Dohrn, Palmer and Young.
These people are all Marxists.
Belman does not distinguish between stalinism and “Marxism”..first error
The same can be said of Rev Wright and his church.
Wright a Marxist, what a joke!
Many blacks were drawn to Communism because it supported liberation movements all over the world and thus offered hope to blacks, as it did in the early years, to Jews.
What are you talking about! Your term “Communism” clearly means Stalinism. The second reference is to the Jews support for 1917 Workers Revolution, totally different. This is the mashing of history at hands of Belman!
A recent study named Obama as the most liberal Senator. If you are a liberal you will embrace him for that. But perhaps he is more than a far left liberal, he is a progressive and liberationist and perhaps a socialist.
Horror, horror, even a socialist Ted Belman!!! What am I? What is Jared Israel?And what were your own parents!!!
Certainly all liberationists support him including the Palestinians. His church supports black liberation theology.
Think of the mish mash here! From all, to Palestinians whoever they are, to black libs!!!
These reports make the case far better than I do. It is for every voter to decide whether these reports make the case and whether it matters.
Opting out! Weasel words here!
This has nothing to do with racism. It has only to do with Obama’s political philosophy.”
Much more than that. It has to do with the political direction of Israpundit!!!
Of course Obama is a communist. The entire Democrat party has had links to the communists since FDR. But, more importantly, look at his platform– the communist ideology present within is undeniable.
Arguing over credibility of sources in this case is moot and distracts us from the overwhelming point; which is that anyone with elementary knowledge of communist ideology can see that Barack’s (and Hillary’s, for that matter) campaign is founded on it and loaded with it.
In the meantime, I’m really tempted to register as a Democrat just so I can get a phone call from Gaza. I have a thing or two I’d LOVE to share with them.
Ted @ 25
First off, I wasn’t making an “attack”, personal or otherwise. Sure, I am talking to you, because it was your post in the first place, so I was just responding. I quietly sat back and read the repeating of the wild accusations concerning Barack Obama for a long time, and came to the conclusion that by keeping quiet is the same as accepting the exaggerations and misinformation.
Just because someone calls themselves “independent” doesn’t make them so. In fact, it usually means that they are anything but. Herbert Romerstein is a Conservative, and an expert in propaganda. Cliff Kincaid is a right-wing writer and activist who has been a longtime critic of the United Nations and other multinational organizations. He is also a writer and editor at Accuracy in Media (AIM), a right-wing media “watchdog” organization. He has received significant support for his work from foundations controlled by right-wing financier Richard Mellon Scaife, who has funded AIM as as well as Kincaid’s own organization, America’s Survival. America’s Survival is dedicated to “educat[ing] the American people and to expos[ing] the influence of global institutions, including an International Criminal Court, on their lives.”
Does this sound “independent” to you? Kincaid is going to do any kind of hit piece he can on Obama, because it is in his interest to do so. He will find an association with a young Obama that may or may not have any meaning at all, and blow it so far out of proportion that you almost imagine him being part of a Communist/Muslim sleeper cell. (I have actually seen that accusation on another site just recently)
As far as Bush and McCain being against Obama’s position, you should go back and check again.
The Bush administration have been holding low-level talks with the Iranians, and McCain has come out several times to say that we should be talking not only to the Iranians, but also to Hamas. (which even Obama is against)
While Obama initially floated the idea of holding direct talks with Iranian leaders, he has backed off of that a little by saying that there would have to be talks started at the lower levels first, but that there still should be some sort of communication going on instead of simply just not talking to them at all.
Well, his “Muslim background” is rather insignificant, but he does have a basic understanding of it. His father and half-brother are Muslim, he lived in Kenya when he was 9 and 10 and the school he went to happened to teach the Quran along with other subjects such as math and science. But aside from that, he spent most of his life as a secularist, and the past twenty years as a Christian.
People automatically assume that because the Quran was taught, this was a Madrassa. If that were the case, then I, too, attended a Madrassa when I went to school, because one of the classes I took in high school was on the Quran. (of course that was back in a time when Islam wasn’t such a bad word, it was considered almost exotic).
But yes, I think he can deal with the Muslims a lot better than a president who feels and thinks we are on some kind of Christian Crusade like our current bobble-head president does.
Hillary would be a lot worse. In a culture that looks upon women as chattel, I don’t see her getting too far with trying to make peace. And yes, the ultimate goal here is to make peace, whether you talk to them or bomb them.
McCain would be just as bad as Bush. He only wants 100 years of war, war, war. He has been fighting his own demons since Vietnam and his only answer to any problem is more military action.
So you go back to when he was sixteen years old? Why not look at his actions over the past twenty-six years? Granted, he is against war for the sake of war, believing as a growing number of people in this country that there are alternatives to war. Yes, I know, he has a former Pastor who is somewhat of a loose cannon and has some crazy ideas that maybe there is another side to the “Islamo-Facist-They-Want-To-Kill-Us-All” story.
That’s a lot like saying “I have black friends”. I suspect that you would have trouble naming many of those blacks you would vote for. But what kind of blacks does Obama “shun”? I am not sure that I have heard of any people Obama has shunned.
He has spoken out against some of his pastor’s views. I know you’ve referenced Obama’s books in the past, but have you actually read them? He does talk about the “old views” and how they are becoming irrelevant today. He talks about the “old guard” in the black community that will feel threatened by the loss of “power” those black leaders have over the community.
I didn’t come here to personally attack you Ted. But I think that there is a lot of disinformation going on concerning Barack Obama, and there are a lot of people who are intent on smearing him with hot-button topics like:
He is Muslim.
He is communist
Barack HUSSEIN Obama
B. Hussein Obama
Obama is Black
Obama attended a Madrassa
Obamamessiah
Obambi
The list could go on and on.
Though not an Obama fan, DJ Allyn makes a point I concur with when he expresses concern with how this blog has focussed attention on B. Obama to make the case he has communist links, that he is truly a Muslim in Christian clothing or a left wing anarchist in democratic clothing.
As I pointed out before, if this blog is going to weigh into the American election, it would have been more informative had articles and comments been posted that critically analyze not just Obama’s positions, but those of the other candidates as well.
That however is where DJ Allyn and I part company.
DJ Allyn says:
This is the disingenuous propaganda coming out of the sanctimonious Obama campaign. No one argues that the Bush military foray into Iraq was great when it came to going in and has been pretty disastrous in trying to get out of that mess.
McCain clearly has stated, to precipitously pull out of Iraq or announce a deadline by which he would pull troops out of Iraq would be sheer folly. That said, McCain has made clear his position that he would be doing all he could to get America out of Iraq as soon as possible.
Not only does Obama and his attack dogs continue to so accuse McCain, they ignore that Pres. Bush has been seeking a way out, short of just leaving for a few years already.
So just what would Obama do about Iraq if elected President?
Other then repeating ad nauseum he was against the war in the first place and demonizing Pres. Bush for not getting the troops out yet, he really offers no intelligent plan for America to get out of Iraq without leaving a power vaccum to be quickly filled by radical Muslim groups or a weak government that will not be able to resist Iran making Iraq its vassal state. Such plausible consequence of too quick or precipitous pullout of American troops from Iraq, would only serve to strengthen Iran and thus Iran would be in a better position to harm American interests in the region.
Apart from that concern with Obama’s policy, it is the fact that he seeks to engage America’s worst enemies without pre-conditions to see what they have to say. Obama has backed away a bit from that and now speaks of lower level preparatory meetings. Again being as disingenuous as he is, Obama and his people ignore that is precisely what the Bush administration has been doing for years.
Obama is arrogantly believing in his own silver tongued oratory as if his words will be more convincing then Bush’s or McCain’s.
Not only does Obama display his own self aggrandizubg conceit, he reveals his own naievity if he truly believes that committed enemies of America such as Iran will be moved by just his words, where the words of others have failed.
Of concern as well are Obama’s plans, positions and suggestions to reverse America’s economic recession and his character. Character is always an issue in any contested campaign. All this must be carefully scrutinized and analyzed.
Since Obama does not have much of a track record in the Senate, one can only discern what this man is really about, just how ready he is to lead the most powerful nation on earth, in both good times and bad (and there are a lot of critically bad situations right now) is by considering evidence such as the character of the persons he has associated with and those whom he has expressed any degree of regard or respect for, his own personal writings and speeches, the organizations he has belonged to and supported and the like.
But before DJ Allyn accuses me of singling out Obama, I have called for the same level of scrutiny of Clinton and McCain.
From what I have thus far heard, I think McCain is the better candidate, but not by a long shot.
The world, not just America needs great leadership right now, but it seems great leadership is very hard to find anywhere anymore.
It looks like America is being forced to choose Presidential candidates that range from mediocre to at best good, but far from great.
H Peskin wrongly claims that my previous quote of CFR president Richard Haass (see post # 12) is a “quote comes straight out of jewWatch. com, which is an antisemitic, anti -black extremist, website.” (see his claim in post 20)
Mr Peskin can obviously not READ nor can he follow the SOURCE LINK that I included which comes straight from the CFR’s OWN WEBSITE !! (here it is again Peskin … all you have to do is RIGHT click on it … or do you not know how to operate a mouse? http://www.cfr.org/publication/9903/sovereignty_and_globalisation.html )
Why would I as a Jew be into an anti-semitic web site such as JewWatch.com The only Jews I lovingly watch at their activities are my wife and children and friends and family !!
Learn to read Peskin !
The CFR is clearly an anti-Israel clique and so are the Trilateral guys founded by Brzezinski (Obama advisor) and David Rockefeler with their first Trilateral president Carter who did such a “good job” at Camp David by starting the land give-away process for Peace that today amounts to zip when it comes to peace with the Arabs.
How could my warning of the CFR membership of Obama, Clinton and McCain possibly be anti-semitic????
Peskin, learn to read or humbly say, “I am sorry I was wrong” or do us all a favor and not engage in a dialiogue when you can’t understand the level of discussion.
Bill Narvey writes:
“The world, not just America needs great leadership right now, but it seems great leadership is very hard to find anywhere anymore.
It looks like America is being forced to choose Presidential candidates that range from mediocre to at best good, but far from great.”
I agree Bill, that is why in a previous post I alerted people to
JONATHAN ALLEN … http://www.HeartQuake08.com
It is NOT too late to bring him to the attention of the American voting public. Let THE PEOPLE decide on November 4th.
MLKamp: I think you are as muddled as those who are certain that Obama is a Communist, a closet Muslim and a rabid black Nationalist Christian (Can he do a simultaneous tap dance as well as chew gum?). I was not referring to your link when I wrote about CFR. I was merely pointing out that the Right Wing anti-semitic websites habitually attack ,
The counsel Of Foreign Relations
The Trilateral Commission
The Illuminati (Whomever they might be?)
The Club of Rome
as being part of the worldwide conspiracy of Jewish,left wing liberals to controll the globe. There are literally thousands of such sites. They point their finger at the U.N., Jewish Banking interests, and the left in general. In that regard you and too many of Israpundits are on the same side of the political fence. Obviously Kampy, you have not done your homework? I am not accusing you of being anti-Jewish, just a little dimwitted. There is a generally held stereotype that Jews are all very astute , well you have come long way to shatter that allusion
I do not want to hurt Ted Belman’s research reputation (which is quite good), but the evidence that b. Hussein Obama is a Muslim is quite good. He was born of a Muslim father which makes him a Muslim under Islamic law. At the Christian school he attended, he identified his religion as Muslim.
Now b. Hussein Obama claims he is Christian. Muslims can lie and conceal an enmity for a long time. The Jews of the 1929 Hebron massacre found that out.
Of course, things may be worse about b. Hussein Obama. Blog meistress, Pamela Geller, reports that b. Hussein Obama isn’t even black but a descendant of Arab slave traders on his father’s side. The drive by media has not even commented on this amazing revalation, perhaps because they are afraid it is true.
The Underzog webpage
Bill
I really liked your response to DJ Allyn except for this part.
Now I fail to see what is wrong with focussing attention on Obama. What is wrong with a pundit taking a position on one candidate. I am not here to be even handed. I am of the opinion that I would not like to see Obama elected so I work against that result. If I wasn’t an advocate and was just an educator or reporter who had the obligation to be even handed I would inform about all candidates. That’s not what any blog is about. We choose sides.
Having said that I am concerned that IsraPundit be more than a one-trick pony. I have often asked bill to decrease the number of posts he does on Obama and I too have limited myself. But the fact remains that there is an insatiable appetite for Obama stories as evidenced by the great readership they attract, far more than any other subject.
DJ Allyn
Obama shuns the uncle Toms and the sellouts. I don’t have time to quote his exact words. Maybe someone can do it for me.
As for an example of Blacks that I like just look at the black commentators on FOX for example and also Ken Blackwell. I was not thinking of politicians when I made that remark but of blacks who present themselves as Americans in a very intelligent way. They are very attractive figures. Juan Williams is an example. Although Powell is of that type I wouldn’t vote for him because of his politics.
Or how about Herbert Meyer. I applaud him in The culture war is the whole ballgame.
You support Obama because he is against the war. OK lots of people do. I reject him for the same reason and many others reject his far left policies. The only reason to bring in the other crap that I dwell on is to help me understand what his real policies are as opposed to what he says they are and what his allegiances are and what his value system is. I don’t for a minute believe him when he says he has an unshakable commitment to Israel. What matters is what that means.
So if we cut to the chase, you like him because he is on the left and I reject him for the same reason. We are each entitled to our opinion.
I have no doubt that everyone who attacks my articles on Obama, for one reason or another, are really doing so because they want him to win. That’s what it is all about.
I am sure you agree but still would argue that I am smearing him and that’s nor fair play. If telling the truth about someone’s past is smearing him, then I agree only that is not what smearing means. I am doing what any debater or lawyer does. I make the best case I can having regard to the facts. I am entitled to draw conclusions from those facts. You can argue that my facts are in fact lies in which case I would want you to make your case and I will make mine. You are also entitled to draw your own conclusions from the facts. Then we would only argue whose conclusions are more sound worthy.
Now I am getting confused. Perhaps we should take some time out and recapitulate just what people are saying and writing about Obama.And not merely on Israpundit.
Obama is a Muslim.
Obama is a black nationalist Christian.
Hagee calls Obama the ANTICHRIST.
Obama is a Hamas supporter.
Obama is a Communist.
Obama is pro terrorist.
Obama is backed by the illumanati.
Obama is backed by the New World Order Advocates.
He is not black but the descendant of Arab slave traders.
Obama is really an alien from another planet-note the odd shaped large floppy ears.I kid you not. I found this theory stated on a UFO site.
Obama is part Jewish, on his Mother’s side, going back 2 generations.
Obama is somehow part of the World wide Jewish conspiracy to rule the world.
Obama is part of the secret agenda to destroy Israel.
Mow, I can go on and on and on,but why bore you with details.
The question I pose, is this part of a mass psychosis that takes place from time to time?
Is it related to global warming? Something about the water, or toxic air? The phases of the moon? What is going on here?
The Communists in here are going crazy because the Islamo Marxist, b. Hussein Obama, is being criticized.
T S for them.
Incidentally, 32,000 scientists have come out against this global warming nonsense so the Communists should not be preaching it. There is no consensus for global warming and science does not work by consensus anyway.
This is a most REVEALING post
Take the above no 39 by Ted Belman which includes
So if we cut to the chase, you like him because he is on the left and I reject him for the same reason. We are each entitled to our opinion.
I have no doubt that everyone who attacks my articles on Obama, for one reason or another, are really doing so because they want him to win. That’s what it is all about.
(Count me out on this. I am opposed to all 3 equally)
(Again to say that Obama is on the LEFT is a distortion)
I am sure you agree but still would argue that I am smearing him and that’s nor fair play. I agree except that I am not smearing him because I am not knowingly lying. I am doing what any debater or lawyer does. I make the best case I can having regard to the facts.
(No actually you are not sticking to the facts. The facts are that there are 3 candidates inthis election, son two. You certainly are not giving the facts about the 3 candidates, no way Ted. That is what is causing the big kiffufle among the Jews here, because Jews are a race of people who have been trained by experience to be inquiring. And you are coming in on the partisan wicket. It is not only against the spirit of Israpundit in the past, it is againstthe spirit of science)
I am entitled to draw conclusions from those facts.
(From THOSE facts. But you deliberately hide the facts around McCain)
You can argue that my facts are in fact lies in which case I would want you to make your case and I will make mine. You are also entitled to draw your own conclusions from the facts. Then we would only argue whose conclusions are more sound worthy.
(As above)
A friend of mine has suggested that the NeoCon movement was set up as or in any case has become a trap for Jews.
The experience of Jews over about 3000 years has left its mark, and one aspect is that they are a very inquiring race of people. Experience has taught them that they need to see issues objectively, get beneath the surface to the truth.
Belman is not doing this in this election. Rather than giving the facts about all the candidates he is hiding the facts about McCain and Clinton, which can be found in the voluminous writings by FGW and JI. Belman is like a little child with this blog. He thinks he can churn out his prejudices regardless of scientific truth.
Belmans’ own parents come from E Europe from left wing perspective.
Those Jews who came to America and escaped the Holocaust, then put the shoulder to the wheel to raise a family, many of their children became part of the American system.
Many of these children became the most pronounced in their enthusiasm for all things Americana. This is the trap that the NeoCons have been setting.
They become the exponents of Cold War USA, that USA has right to intervene wherever it likes in the world.
So no questions asked about Vietnam where a major alliance made with the Vatican and against Buddhism, never mind the communism stalinism nationalism of the Vietnamese CP which as far as the Vietnamese was their affair and in order to continue their struggle they had to break with the Stalinists in Moscow, probablyy that is news to Belman.
Belman still expresses that, no questions asked at all.
No questions asked about Indonesia and the CIA either. Nor Iran. And in this election Belman consciously hides USA and Yugoslavia IN OUR RECENT MEMORY.
So we have a new aspect of Judaism which Ted Belman is representing. It has to be exposed and opposed if Israel is to survive.
HP
Now you are being arrogant and condescending. To discredit my position you must misrepresent it first.
1. I said Islam considers him a Muslim. The only way he could have avoided being one today is if he left the faith before puberty. I do not know how Islam determines when a Muslim has left the faith or whether he did so, so can’t comment on this. I believe that you have to deny the calling “”Allah Akbar- Mohammad is his prophet”. Obama in one of his books wrote that it is “One of the prettiest sounds on Earth”. Some one should ask him to deny this sentence. My guess is he wouldn’t.
2. I have never gone so far as to say that Obama is a black nationalist or a Christian. I have said his church is founded on Black liberation theology.. I have said that he was never baptized whereas his children were. I have reported that there are many Muslims in his church.
3. What Hagee says about the Antichrist is irrelevant to me.
4. I have reported that Hamas supports Obama. I have never said that Obama supports Hamas. I think it is a matter of record that certain of his advisors or past advisors have advocated speaking to Hamas.
5. I have never claimed Obama is a Communist. I have simply produced reports that describe his connection to known Communists.
6. I have never said Obama was or is a terrorist. I have taken note that two of his friends Ayer and Dohrn were and that his “cousin” Odinga, signed an MOU with Islamists, in which he agreed to install Sharia within six months of gaining power in Kenya. Obama is very close to him.
7. I don’t know who the “illuninati” are. But he was certainly backed by “Progressives for Obama”. Kincaid lists them in his report. He is also backed by the far left . They do so because they feel he best represents him. If they like him, then I don’t for the same reason.
8. I think it is fair to say that the CFR and Soros are for a New World Order and they both back him.
Now that I have made it crystal clear what I have said, perhaps you can show me where I have said something unfounded.
Every picture can have many captions. Perspective dictates your view. On the other hand if you work from your desired result backwards, where will it lead you for the next President of the very limited choices now available.
So the key question is not what these candidates do for America, it is what do want America to do.
Do we want to continue business as usual or undefined change? The answer is obvious. If you are not presented solid positive alternatives to the status quo, what would make you think the “change” is good or positive. The change remains the unknown and is not worth the risk.
Do you want more Republican bush type leadership or do you want to start over? Is the damaged house condemned and need to be rebuilt or is some reconstuction and renovation in order?
I for one believe in the old Nixon slogan
Don’t change di*ks in the middle of a screw…vote for Nixon in 72
And the scientific truth is that in this election there are now 3 candidates.
The Jews need to know just about everything there is to know about all three of these. Otherwise how can they possibly act correctly.
This election is important.
But what is more important for the future is the precedent set in relation to scientific method.
Every single thing about Obama needs to be out in the open and on the table.
Bit the same in relation to all the candidates.
We live in a world of lies. Capitalism has produced a Media and a technology which is incredibly powerful. We are swimming in a swamp of lies. Belman, Sunstart and all these types here have added to the lies. That is what got Isseroff’s goat up in my opinion. The guy does not like lies and good for him.
Felix
The neocons originally were liberals who were strong on defense. Commentary Magazine was their bithplace. They opposed the USSR. so, yes “They become the exponents of Cold War USA”. But this”USA has right to intervene wherever it likes in the world” is an overstatement. The question is when do they like to intervene? That’s a question for everyone. Should the US intervene in Darfur? for instance. Why does Felix use this as an accusation. What does he propose, no intervention anywhere?
Felix is against US imperialism. I am not sure what it means. Perhaps Felix could describe what US policies or actions he doesn’t like, what he wants instead so we can have an intelligent conversation on it.
Bottom line is that Felix hated American intervention in the cold war to suppress national liberation movements which he distinguishes from Stalinism. He probably was against the Korean War or any other attempts to stop the spread Communism. In this struggle that existed for many decades, the USSR appeared to be winning. So much so that many thinkers were about to write eulogies for the west and the question was asked could America survive as an island in a sea of Communism. So it was an existential battle from beginning to end. Felix argues that it was a battle that America shouldn’t have fought. He probably wanted only Stalinism to be fought. But it gets complicated because Stalinism supported all these national liberation movements. they for the most part were his proxies. He wants the revolution to succeed. His new world order is a lofty ideal but it will never come to be in practice. He is still fighting that revolution, I am not. This will always be a dog eat dog world. I just want my dog to last as long as possible. I also believe that my dog would be better for the world than any other dog.
He attacks the fascists of the world like the US. He recognizes that the left can also be fascist but says they’re not the true left.
He has been fighting for the revolution for fifty years. I support my dog as better than the other dogs but certainly not perfect.
Ted and Bill Levinson, my point is that there are so many credible and solid arguments, based on solid evidence, including Obama’s own words and his past associations that are critical of Obama on substantive issues such as the economy, immigration, illegal aliens and foreign policy and his character.
Why undermine and devalue the cogent strength of those arguments and your own credibility as Obama critics, by straining and stretching to make a case based on incomplete evidence and innuendo, that Obama is a closet Communist, Muslim or left wing anarchist?
These are inflammatory accusations that without the strongest evidence are bound to reflect poorly, not on Obama but on his critics who level those charges.
Yea Ted I have had it in my mind for a long time, but not quite 50 years, but I know what you mean. The struggle has been in existence since the birth of capitalism, study Cromwell in the Civil War and the Levellers etc.
So the class struggle is old and it exists.
And it exists in Israel too. otherwise there could be no profit.
But in Israel as in most places the class struggle is mediated. So Sharon knew real enemy was in religious Biblical Jews and recruited a Fascist Secular police.
Not to stray too far. Issue is NeoCons and Jews. US has NO right to interfere in affairs of any NATION STATE. Full stop.
The NeoCon doctrine as I understand it, as espoused by Kamm and Harrys Place, is for intervention on “Humanitarian” basis. What a load of crap that proved to be in Yugoslavia.
My central point is that on this there is NO difference at all between McC, Clinton and Obama
My point is that you are a creature of the post war and post holocaust. You have been trapped inside this NeoCon ideology. You are not only trapped but you promote it.
My friend was right. It is a trap for the Jews, but the Jews are also building the trap, or a certain section of the Jews are.
It is shown in that Jews on sites became the most excessive in their hatred for Milosevic, a manufactured thing totally separated from the truth. But the ideology carried them along.
My point is that this ideology is objectively against the interests of Israel, which represents the sanctity of the nation state par excellence, whether you come at it from a religious or secular basis.
The objective interests of the Jews and Israel are very opposed to Imperialism, which seeks to inteervene here there and everywhere for its own ends.