NYT: Give the Palestinians what they want or else.
By Ted Belman
As the Netanyahu government nears completion, everyone is piling on the pressure to succumb to Palestinian demands. The EU made it clear again, if Israel rejects the two-state solution, it wont be business as usual between Israel and the EU.
Yesterday the NY Times, the publisher of the antisemitc Oliphant cartoon, editorialized,
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It will not be that hard to judge by his deeds, and relatively soon, whether Mr. Netanyahu is serious about seeking peace with the Palestinians. His government is expected to win parliamentary approval next week.
After that, we suggest that he start with freezing further settlement construction and expansion in the West Bank, as Israel has so often promised but failed to do. He should lift roadblocks between Palestinian cities and towns that are not needed for security. In East Jerusalem, he should stop the humiliating eviction of Palestinians. And in Gaza, he must expand exceptions to the blockade to allow the import of cement and reconstruction materials.
If Mr. Netanyahu is serious about being a partner for peace, he will not get in the way of the militant group Hamas entering a Palestinian unity government with the rival Fatah faction — as long as that government is committed to preventing terrorism and accepts past agreements between Israel and the Palestinians. He will recognize that the United States has its own interests in diplomacy with Syria, Iran and the Palestinians — and allow the Obama administration the freedom to pursue them. He also will not start a preventive war with Iran. [..]
As The Times’s Ethan Bronner reported, Israel is increasingly isolated and facing its worst diplomatic crisis in two decades following its Gaza war. Mr. Netanyahu has understandably raised alarms with the expectation that his foreign minister will be an ultranationalist leader with what are widely considered to be anti-Arab views. Failing to pursue peace talks with the Palestinians would only make things worse by causing frictions with the new Obama administration and with Europe.
Essentially what the Times and the EU are saying is, don’t bother me with the niceties, just give the Palestinians what they want. Gone is the pretext that the US or the EU won’t compromise Israel’s security. Gone is the commitment of the Quartet to allow the parties to negotiate the terms of the agreement.
In its place is the demand, nay the threat, give the Palestinians what they want or else. No demands are made on the Palestinians.
The Times suggests that Israel is controlling America, preventing it from pursuing its interests. Its that damned lobby again. More ominous is the idea that the US, if constraints were removed in Congress, could cut a deal with Syria and Iran. Or are they also suggesting that if Israel doesn’t provide the US with bargaining chips, such as the Golan, then Israel is preventing the US from pursuing its interests.
The NYT lowers the bar for acceptance of Hamas to the level that they accept former agreements. Hamas prefers to only “respect” them. No where is there a demand that they honour them. Netanyahu has committed to abide by all Israel’s signed agreements, which by the way do not include the Roadmap which is a blueprint and not an agreement. The NYT wants more from Israel than that it honour all agreements. It wants her to make new agreements. It certainly doesn’t expect the Palestinians to honour their agreements.
This attack by the EU and the NYT culminates a long standing plan of the State Department and others to impose peace. It started with the insertion of the Saudi Plan into the Roadmap. It continued with the publication of The Israel Lobby and the prosecution of Steve Rosen and Keith Weissman of AIPAC. Four years ago, I wrote “Viable State” trumps “secure borders” in which I took the position that the Saudi Plan was the State Department Plan. A few months after this article I commented
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“Friends of Israel should recognize reality here. Israel is merely going through the motions of negotiating and agreeing or disagreeing while the reality is that the outcome has been predetermined and forced on Israel.”.
The selection of Gen Jones and Samantha Power to serve in the Obama administration is further evidence of the long standing plan to force the Saudi Plan on Israel. It is no accident that during the period when Netanyahu was forming his government the attacks reached a crescendo to affect the makeup of the ultimate coalition. Just a day before the above noted editorial appeared, the NYT published a Op-Ed by Roger Cohen in the New York Times (The Fierce Urgency of Peace), advising on the right way to deal with Israel, based on a “Bipartisan Statement on U.S. Middle East Peacemaking.”. This report enshrined the thinking of Power and Jones as to the terms of the settlement and how to get there.
In Obama’s recent press conference he said “.. the status quo is unsustainable. That it is critical for us to advance a two-state solution”.
Yet it is critical that Israel not advance the two state solution especially on Palestinian terms.
The pressure applied to Netanyahu will be unbearable.
Accepting all you say Ted, the way to blunt or deflect this pressure is what?
My last sentance says 99% of it. I can’t imagine Israel standing up to the pressure or if she does, surviving the isolation and economic sanctions to follow.
Netanyahu is following the best coarse but the world won’t let him get away with avoidance.
The NYT wouldn’t publish the Danish cartoons but had no qualms about publishing the Oliphant cartoon demonizing Israel and it was far worse.
Not sure about that Ted. I would hope to believe that the pressure from Americans would not permit such actions.
Ted I am sure you know why Mark Levin refers to the NYT as the New York Slime.
I become annoyed when other countries including our own USA interfers in the affairs of other countries.
It’s not for them to determine that a two state exist in Israel. The Israelis have to live by their own determinations.
Why isn’t this same pressure applied to Hamas?
As a youngster I along with my friends knew the good guys wore white hats and the bad guys black hats.
You get the feeling the USA and EU can’t tell the difference?
As far as Israel is concerned they all wear black hats. A few wear charcoal gray. No white hats to be seen anywhere.
They know the difference, they just chose the Black hats over the white ones.
The Us and the rest of the world have been horrible to Israel since its inception. Israel has given the world much, the world has given Israel heartache and grief! The US at least the gov,t has BEEN NO FRIEND! Only a controller who hates jews with their imperialistic designs under the guise of, ” Democracy”!
About 78% of American Jews voted for the Obama Administration.
American Jews (for the most part) are not friends of Israel.
BTW the ads really suck.
The “Palestinians” aren’t legally entitled to so much as a broom closet anywhere from the River to the Sea. The San Remo Resolution of 24 April 1920 is abundantly clear on that score. And nobody knows that fact better than Netanyahu. The question is (as it has always been) whether the gentleman has the stones to match his brains.
Nor do the “Palestinians” need a state ["the socially legitimized monopoly of violence"] — because the Jews are no threat to them; unless of course they’re unwilling to behave themselves. In that case, they are certainly free to leave. Israel isn’t the former East Germany.
OT – Defamation Campaign Against MASH
Insane P.I. Bill Warner
Not to be confused with Bill
Warner, the director of CSPITwo deranged individuals, Jim Sutter (supported by CAIR) and Bill Warner (claims Geert Wilders is a Nazi), have joined forces to defame Muslims Against Sharia and Khalim Massoud. Before you buy into their lies and distortions, please consider the sources:http://www.phonyrev.com/ & http://insanepi.blogspot.com/.
Update:
Targets of Bill Warner’s defamation campaign also include Ted Belman of Israpundit, Pamela Geller of Atlas Shrugs, David Horowitz, Jamie Glazov, Ben Johnson, and Michael Finch, of FrontPage Magazine, Robert Spencer of Jihad Watch, Michael Travis, Geert Wilders of Dutch Freedom Party, and Dr. Paul L. Williams. Muslims Against Sharia and Khalim Massoud are honored to be in such company.
Jim Sutter, the Phony Reverend
Bill Warner, the Insane P.I.
Latest recipients of the Evil Dumbass Award
I know this is long. Please forgive and please indulge me. This is important.
To answer Bill Narvey’s question to Ted Belman, I will make a few selected quotations by way of an answer from a publication called “Samson Blinded” written and produced by Obadian Shoher. The full edition of this book is available for free download. I urge you to do it right away. Especially commentators in this site must read it. This book offers the only solution possible to the israeli question. Here follows selected quotations I have chosen from but the first few chapters. You will know the point Shoher is making. He cannot be misinterpreted.
QUOTATIONS
[Any] agreement would be worthless unless the Muslims become assimilated into the Western world view and stop seeing Israel as a foreigner in an Islamic land.
Israel should not let up on the Palestinians until a comprehensive agreement is achieved. A cease-fire is psychologically dangerous, because it is hard to convince people to go back to war after a hiatus. A cease-fire with the Palestinians will not only drive many Israelis, no longer willing to tread the dangerous path of expansion, to the political left, but will also impair the national resolve to fight, should hostilities reemerge.
Jews must state their objectives clearly in terms of self-interest, follow a predictable policy, and stop panicking her neighbors who never know what Israeli is up to at any given moment. If, however, Israel decides upon the aggressive course, she should not threaten. Attack the designated targets immediately. Do not let the Arabs prepare and the U.S. intercede. Governments rarely give way to threats, certainly not autocratic governments and not in religious matters. To delay aggression would greatly increase the cost of victory.
Vacillation damages the Israeli psyche, too. Israeli government officials in office must stop stating their private views on the peace process publicly. If they do not agree with state policy, let them leave office and promote their viewpoints. Government policy should be coherent. People who adopt radical ideological goals may want to adhere to them, though not practice them immediately. People remember the most far-fetched suggestions. In the present case, it is peace at almost any cost versus keeping the territories at almost any cost. That polarizes and radicalizes society, both sides ignoring the middle options, but middle options are often the reasonable ones.
. But there is no right to have a country, let alone a country within specific borders; that is done by force.
Though most Arabs did not demand a Palestinian state thirty years ago, now even most Jews agree to it. Israeli society must agree on a path to normalization-offense, defense, or peace for concessions-and stop wavering.
Israeli wavering damages her image before the world opinion. Foreigners know very little about the history or subtleties of the Jewish-Arab conflict. Israeli indecisiveness proves to them that she is wrong, that even she doubts her policies.
Settlements are no way to acquire territory: they are at odds with Israel’s professed desire for peace, and ultimately a cowardly means and exactly the opposite of Machiavelli’s prescription. The settlers themselves are not cowards. They live surrounded by enemies, but the government uses their villages as a pretense for claiming the land instead of taking it by military means.
Israel has clear guidelines in dealing with Palestinians: the Ten Commandments, which prohibit murder and robbery but not killing in a war for the Promised Land, nor do they prohibit running people off, provided the land and other property is justly compensated. Those who compare Israeli policy with the Nazis should imagine the Germans moving the Jews to Switzerland forcibly but compensating them for their real estate.
If the Jews intend to keep the occupied territories, they should do it the only effective way, by occupying the land, annexing it, driving the Arabs out, fencing it off, and facing the international consequences. In all probability, friends and foes alike would let it pass after a brief period of ostentatious antagonism to satisfy their liberals and fundamentalists. Nobody cares about the Palestinians. Everyone wants the issue to go away. If Israel acted illegally and ruthlessly-but quickly and effectively-in a few years, most nations would accept the de facto situation, just as they agreed to Israel’s acquisition of Jerusalem contrary to the U.N. resolution.
The chemical, biological, and nuclear deterrents are responsible for the current sixty years of relative peace. They do not, however, deter poor, uneducated Muslims ruled by autocrats who kill more of their own than a nuclear attack would.
If you decide on annexation, carry it out. Do not weep, offer condolences to Arabs, or blame the army or the government, and do not allow refugee camps in any country to start up as a journalists’ Mecca. Be prepared to kill protesters, drive refugees far away (Dir Yassin may prove a small exercise in dealing with quasi-armed civilians), and force neighbor countries to absorb them. Major Muslim states may attempt to show solidarity, and Israel must be ready for war. That, however, is unlikely, since wealthier Arabs will be relieved of the Palestinian problem, if Israel forces weaker states like Jordan and Lebanon to assimilate them.
Israel should establish de jure recognition of the status quo by annexing the land legally without discussions about the future of the territories. Treating the matter as settled is the best way to settle it
The current policy is stupid. It is not even a policy but rather an absence of policy. Israel spends for three ends without achieving even one. She controls the occupied territories as if she intended to hold them. She gives them away as if she agrees to Palestinian sovereignty. And she sponsors further settlements, so Jews can somehow cling to the land even if Israel abandons it.
People need certain qualities to keep governments at bay and prevent the slide into autocracy-basic political education, love of freedom, respect for the law-qualities that take time to acquire.
Wealthy people are peaceful; wealthy governments, militaristic.
But do Muslims not deserve freedom and democratic government? Israel does not care. Her interests, not the concerns of others, dictate her policy. Many, like socialists, accept limited freedom as long as governments guarantee welfare and pensions. Many people value ideology or loyalty above freedom, especially poor people who have little use of freedoms, and strive for esteem through communal attachment and hatred. People value only freedoms they win. The Arabs do not want democracy imported from Israel or the United States.
END OF SELECTED QUOTATIONS
Permit me to add my own final thought: during the campaign Mr. Biden suggested Mr. Obama will be tested within the first six months of his presidency. I say let Israel be the test, not Iran or the “war on terror”. I say let Iran have the “bomb”. They will not dare to use it for they will be the loser. The NYT article was overly concerned with the “interests” of the United States, which is not the interests of Israel. Israel has its interests and if not persued as if its survival depended on accomplishing its objectives Israel has no moral basis for being a state.
“JUSTICE” SAID PLATO, “IS THE INTERESTS OF THE STRONGER”
Martin Kessler
mdk4130@aol.com
Regretfully there is no country in the world that is at Israel’s side. They are all on the side of the Arab plan and are and will be putting great pressure on Israel to accept a Palestinian state on the basis of the Saudi Plan. They do not care whether Israel is swallowed up in future years, because they have forgotten their guilty complexes of the plight of the Jewish nation that they have caused.
I also regretfully have to state that there is a majority of US Jews who think that a Palestinian State is just.
With all the hardships that Israel can face, we have to stand beside our country and fight for it. Without Israel, the future of the Jews of the Diaspora will also be at great risk.
With all the hardships that Israel can face, we have to stand beside our country and fight for it.
The future of he Jews in diaspora is indeed dim. What most Jews especially in America fail to recognize is that today Israel is taking the flak that would be directed fully against them were there no Israel. With assimilation approaching high 70%, if intermarriage is a gage then it appears that there is two choices open as Jews for them. A- Total assimilation within a few generations and breaking their historical and religious connection to the Jewish people and B- The resurgence of antisemitism and overt anti Israel policies may keep some against their wills in the Jewish fold and even drive some few to immigrating to Israel but the rest will perish as Jews, most willingly. It is almost a given that those who willingly turn their backs on Judaism and the Jewish people will become the most strident of anti Israel voices from America and beyond.
Israel as well has but two choices to stand up to all forces seeking her destruction or to succumb and die a slow death of a thousand cuts. It could very well be that an Israel Isolated and under real threats of extinction might create unity at home and abroad among the Jews and stem the negative tides working against them as Jews around the world and in Israel per se. I am not optimistic that either the Jews of the diaspora or Israel will on their own do that which she must. It will happen but with a lot of needless suffering and trauma when those forces begin to really bear down and force us to do what we should have done before the external forces gave us no choice. This is exactly how G-d works for the Jews in history. We know the ending because it is already written for us. How we get there and how long it takes is up to us. That’s the free choice part that we are endowed with.
The Jewish Diaspora is being liquidated at a quickened pace. Funny that believing Christians seem to understand this dynamic, Only the Jews don’t.
Very insightful statement. Is there a point beyond such cryptic observations that you are trying to make?
We know you were one of the 78% do you include yourself in the second sentence ”
American Jews (for the most part) are not friends of Israel”?
BTW: Who cares?
These two statements appear to be somewhat contradictory, unless the author had in mind that the Arabs would like to create their own kind of democracy. I’m not a student of history, but didn’t democracy originate in ancient Greece, and wasn’t it eventually nurtured by the Brits? If so, going back to the basics (Greece) would seem to be a solution, because they sure don’t want Brit-based democracy (ie – the US and Israel type of democracy).
On the other hand, the approach may be to arouse great interest in the history of the cultures that were in existence before the Arab hordes came and destroyed them, and promote huge admiration of these cultures. There isn’t country in that vicinity to which that does not apply. Apparently this is happening in “Persia” as people get clued in, perhaps because the “Persians” have somehow managed to retain something of themselves despite the Arab conquest… It could also happen in India, where Indian muslims, and those in Pakistan, could be subjected to detailed accounts of their own terrifying history, and offered the chance (or nudged) to go back to what they were centuries ago (in terms of culture). One problem is, of course, that these people have been deliberately kept uneducated and blindly ignorant; drones.
Now if we view permanent struggle against the (dominant) Arab mentality in all these conquered countries as something that is to be encouraged, because it lines the pockets of many of the “elites,” this will never change, not without huge efforts on the part of “the people”.
Martin Kessler, thx for your answer but you have not really answered the question. Rather you have argued that Israel undergo a major attitude adjustment and begin to put her interests first above helping others to realize their’s. You have also advocated a major policy shift vis a vis the Palestinians and the issue of territory.
My question related to how should Israel cope with America and the EU putting the squeeze on Israel and they have already started threatening and squeezing.
The EU is Israel largest trading partner. If the EU bands together to impact that trade relationship, Israel could be seriously hurt. Similarly, America too has its leverage and it is not afraid to use it.
Recall the November 2005 Rafah border agreement brokered by then Sec. of State C. Rice. Sharon did all he could to resist but in the end, he caved to American pressure. Rice was practically gloating at how America had tremendous leverage against Israel and she had used it to force the deal.
Netanyahu when he was campaigning in 1996 and ultimately won the election, one of his campaign promises was to never ever give up Hebron and the Malpelach cave and Joseph’s Tomb. After winning the election, his arm was twisted to virtually the breaking point by America and he recanted and gave Hebron to the Palestinian terrorist and Chairman of the Palestinian Lying Propaganda Department, Yassir Arafat.
As much as I would like to see Israel undergo such an attitude adjustment whereby she puts her best interests first and can give the finger to the rest of the world when they complain that Israel can only satisfy her interests after first satisfying the world’s interests, it is not likely that Israel is going to be able to do that, at least not in any dramatic fashion.
Indeed Israel will have to come together if Netanyahu can convince most Israelis that Israel is standing alone against much of the world and needs to be unified. Secondly, Netanyahu in conjunction with world diaspora Jewish leaders must bring much greater unity amongst diaspora Jewry to stand with and advocate for Israel.
That is the rough idea I have as to what is going to have to be done for Netanyahu to bring his government and indeed all of Israel to stand with him against the greater pressures America and the EU have said they were going to bring to bear.
The main pressure to be resisted is first and foremost internally Israels. Most undeclared sanctions either by EU or the US by have some dilatory effect on the Israel economy but If America really pisses us off and we find other markets to buyand sell to which will happen, after the initial shock and economic and military disruptions the big looser will be America anywhere from 1-200 thousand jobs for example. Multinational companies won’t just close up shop unless their involvement is not profitable. Israels economic future resides in Asia, that’s where the numbers are PEOPLE/MARKETS AND REAL MONEY, They have the real and most survivable economies and China for example will eclipse America as the worlds most dominant powere in next 20 years. India as well has vast untapped potential. EU I expect not to survive the current economic crisis. Most are in real bankruptcy. It will soon come down to every member constituent country for himself.
With a backdrop like this what are they going to do to us and then should we care all that much if they do try. They may have loaded guns but are loaded with blanks. Take Bankrupt England, roam all over Israel and you will be hard pressed to find anything made there. The French an stop selling us wines and cars, so we buy Japanese which we already do and now beautiful Chinese and Indian cars will be sold here. There is almost nothing that we import from Europe that can’t be replaced better and cheaper from somewhere else. Our export markets and exporters will be hit hard for awhile but that means that they should be helped with our tax dollars to shift to other markets and this will happen in any case. Only the timing would be advanced.
Israel just discovered an even bigger natural gas field( News item from yesterday) off the coast of Hadera and in 2-3 years we could be energy self sufficient. 3 million Israeli tourist will find alternative sites and countries to visit. Most of Israels exports like potash, military systems, and other high tech products are not bought from Israel because they love us. Sanctions are always a double edged sword and as you have seen they don’t work ever. We Jews know how to work around sanctions, know how to smuggle, know how to black market anything if we need to.
An item here about Israel trying to buy stealth American fighters at a cost of 150 million per plane without spare parts and service contracts that could double the cost, who could or should afford such a weapon that one couldn’t afford to use for fear of losing one. The disadvantages outweigh the advantages. Israel need to change her military strategic policy and base them all on Nuclear deterrent not conventional weapons deterrence. We can’t win a major regional arms race especially now with current sentiments in America and Europe. That would allow us to downsize our military and to rely on nukes and missiles instead of aircraft that can cost 300 million ea.
We need to become once again a lean but mean Israel.
Problem is we have BB now running the show and that says it all.
The British government discusses the country-of-origin labeling for the produce from Judea and Samaria. The current label, “West Bank, Israel,” is thought to be misleading, to be replaced with, “Occupied Palestinian Territories” to make easy for Brits to boycott Jewish produce.
The Brits earlier demanded that Israeli Tourist Ministry pulls down an ad which shows Qumran as part of Israel.
Britain instituted no similar measures to other occupied territories throughout the world. It would be nice seeing the UK government demanding from Russia that it labels fish and caviar canned in the Kuril Islands as “Occupied Japanese Territories.” Seventy years ago, the UK did not label Palestinian citrus exports as coming from the “occupied Mandate Territory.”
Britain is not guided by Palestinian interests as tens of thousands of Arab laborers stand to lose their jobs if the settlement produce is boycotted. Abbas’ position is instructive: he first supported the boycott, then retracted due to economic considerations, and now demands it again – politics of hatred trampled rationality.
Narvey here is an Idea for you:
EU threatens Israel over two-state solution
Continuing their commitment to exterminating Jews, Europeans demand that Israel adhere to the two-state solution despite the fact that the Palestinians have abandoned it. Both Hamas and Fatah have declared they won’t recognize Israel within any borders.
Echoing the EU’s foreign policy chief Javier Solana, the Czech FM warned Israel of “very difficult relations” if the Jews dare to renounce the two-state agreements.
Perhaps Israel should abandon diplomatic relations with the EU until Spain concedes independence to the Basques, the UK to Scotland, and France to Brittany.
Yamit – everything you say is correct.
There’s one very important aspect of this that you touched upon obliquely. India and China have no history of
anti-semitismJew-hatred. This makes them somewhat more predictable (difficult to predict the actions of Euro and American lunatic thinking), and they are thus more inclined do buy stuff if they get a good deal… and if the products are excellent.If one considers only the Hamas, PA and Fatah charters a valid expression of Palestinian will, then the two state solution first envisioned in the 1947 UNGA Partition Resolution that now finds its most recent variant in the Road map 2 state solution for peace is completely at odds with what Palestinians want.
Though Abbas hints he might change his mind and recognize Israel’s right to exist if he gets the right deal, anyone with a lick of sense knows that Abbas is a liar and is one dedicated as much as Hamas to israel’s demise, albeit by different tactics, largely based on his dishonesty unlike Hamas that has no compunction in speaking the truth that Hamas wants Israel gone.
The West that supports the Quartet continue to pursue their 2 state vision for peace, knowing full well it is not achievable because the Arabs/Palestinians don’t want Israel, plain and simple. Given that the West and the Quartet refuse to see the true intentions and mindset of the Arabs and Palestinians, their pushing Israel to make greater concessions in the cause of peace makes the Quartet complicit in pushing Israel along the path, not to peace, but to Israel’s non-existence.
Israel is going to have to say no further, no more and to start pushing back.
There is however the reality of the Palestinians that must be addressed. What is to become of them?
Blaming the Jew hating Arabs and a Jew hating West and UN for supporting the Jew hating Arabs to use the Palestinians as a weapon against Israel’s existence does not change the fact that the so called Palestinian refugee problem is real and it has grown.
The West under the auspices of the UN created UNRWA, a refugee organization dedicated only to Palestinians. In accord with UNRWA’s unique definition of refugee, a Palestinian refugee means not only the actual refugees (which is the definition the UN uses for all other refugees), but also their children, grandchildren, nieces and nephews and anyone who claims without any proof to be descended from a Palestinian refugee.
The Arabs that kicked out at least as many Jews from their lands since 1948 which have been absorbed by Israel and other nations, have refused to absorb any of the so called Palestinian refugees who unlike in almost all other wars became refugees not because of the victimized and attacked nation winning the war against the aggressor, but because the aggressor which in this case were the Arab nations telling their brethren in the region to get out of the way and leave their homes so they would not be hurt or in the way of the Arab genocidal juggernaut that was coming to rid the land of all the Jews.
The Arabs and the Palestinians to this day have never been called to account for their Jew hatred and genocidal crimes against Israel and the Jews. That Jew hatred and those genocidal dreams are as much a part of the Arab/Palestinian culture as they were in 1948 when the Arabs launched their first genocidal assault against Israel.
Unless Israel can take the lead and force the West to admit and deal with their own complicity in the Arab/Palestinian efforts to destroy Israel, which complicity is the West turning a blind eye to that Arab/Palestinian genocidal dream and the Jew hatred that fuels it, Israel is facing have to deal with the status quo which is unacceptable or pushing themselves for some kind of two state solution which also is unacceptable.
If Israel does not take the lead to change perceptions and attitudes vis a vis the Arab world and the Palestinians and to show the West that her war with the Palestinians is the same war the West has with Islamists, Israel is going to be forced to choose between two very bad choices.
In fact it’s not exactly the same war. Ours is being fought for Relgio- Nationalist reasons over a small bit of land that 2 nationalist entities claim as theirs. Short of establishing facts on the ground, the Arabs can make a good case. There is no other reason for the Jew to live In Israel at all except that G-d told us! ( To conquer and settle the Land, perform all the commandments here in the Land) In other words our religion Judaism requires it. The religious argument is the only argument that no Muslim or believing Christian can refute. To deny our religious rights and imperatives would be a denial of their own beliefs. Unfortunately our atheist leaders do not personally believe in our rights based on G-d but rather on Herzl and the UN. The use on non religious arguments opens up a debate that would pit Arab rights against modern Zionist rights and I think we could lose such an argument.
A pessimist, confronted with two bad choices, chooses both.
Jewish Proverb
Rongrand
As usual you being close to the ordinary American people is closest to my way of thinking. Things are not as black as it seems (no pun intended!)
But there is needed organization to reach the people who count, that is the ordinary sound people of America who are incidentally also being ravaged in a different way by the system.
I introduced Ted´s analysis on
http://4international.wordpress.com/2009/03/30/antisemitism-of-a-very-developed-nature-ravages-our-lives/
The key in reversing Israels up to now non policies except in doing more or less what they have been ordered to do by Bush and now On=bama is just do it and not talk about it. Less talk and more action will go along way to that end.
IS THIS THE PORTEND OF WHATS TO COME?
Published: 03/30/09, 4:34 PM
Israel Railways Fires Dozens of Arabs
by Malkah Fleisher
(IsraelNN.com) Approximately 100 workers employed as part of an Israel Railways project – most of them Arabs with Israeli citizenship – have been fired due to new regulations in the company requiring supervising employees to have completed service in the Israel Defense Forces.
Israel Railways says IDF service has become mandatory due to security department decisions, as well as the company’s interest in providing jobs for veterans in the more difficult economy.
However, the company also says it will reserve 30 positions for Arabs, in locations where Arabic language skills are need.
The outsourcing company employing the terminated workers – the Hashmira company – says it will locate adequate employees for Israel Railways, and will continue to place those who did not complete army service in other positions throughout Israel.
Arab Knesset Member Ahmed Tibi (United Arab List – Ta’al) called the decision racist and discriminatory.
Felix
I think its far fetched. I believe it was a combination of the liberal left not wanting Hillary and the only other candiate they could minipulate was Obama. So the liberal media went to work and attacked Hillary while giving Obama a pass. He was being sold as a rock star.
He is clueless and he surrounded himself with old Clinton rejects. Some I believe are anti-Semitic and are willing to appease the Arab world at the expense of Israel.
What bothers me is why all American Jewish orgainizaitons along with those in influential positions have not collectively put pressure on congress and the administration to support Israel. It’s a major disappointment, especially since they have considerable access to the medias.
Then again, what do I know?
Even without Jewish unity some good and influential Jewish leaders could still do a lot in the efforts for Jewish and Israeli survival. Here is one of my more moder favorites: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Schiff
From his base on Wall Street, he was the foremost Jewish leader in what became known as the “Schiff era,” grappling with all major issues and problems of the day, including the plight of Russian Jews under the tsar, American and international anti-Semitism, care of needy Jewish immigrants, and the rise of Zionism. He also became the director of many important corporations, including the National City Bank of New York, Equitable Life Assurance Society, Wells Fargo & Company, and the Union Pacific Railroad. In many of his interests he was associated with E.H. Harriman.
He was born in 1847 in Frankfurt-on-Main, Germany, to Moses and Clara (Niederhofheim) Schiff, members of a distinguished rabbinical family that traced its lineage in Frankfurt back to 1370. Schiff was educated in the schools of Frankfurt and was first employed in the banking and brokerage business as an apprentice in 1861.[1][2] After the U.S. Civil War had ended in April, 1865, Schiff came to the United States, arriving in New York City on August 6. He was licensed as a broker on November 21, 1866, and joined the firm of Budge, Schiff & Company in 1867. He became a naturalized citizen of the United States in September 1870.[3]
Upon the dissolution of Budge, Schiff & Company in 1872, Schiff decided to return to Germany. In 1873 he became manager of the Hamburg branch of the London & Hanseatic Bank. He returned to Frankfurt, however, upon the death of his father later that year. In 1874 Abraham Kuhn of the banking firm of Kuhn, Loeb & Company invited him to return to New York and enter the firm.
Kuhn, Loeb & Company
Schiff accepted Kuhn’s invitation in January 1875, bringing to Kuhn, Loeb & Company his connections with Sir Ernest Cassel of London, Robert Fleming of Dundee (later of London), and Edouard Noetzlin of the Banque de Paris et des Pays Bas.[5] On May 6, 1875, he married Therese Loeb, daughter of Solomon Loeb. The couple were the parents of a son and a daughter.[6][7]
In 1885 Schiff became head of Kuhn, Loeb & Company. Besides financing such Eastern railroads as the Pennsylvania and the Louisville & Nashville, he took part in the reorganization of the Baltimore & Ohio Railroad in 1896-99, and at various times aided the American Refining & Smelting Company, the Westinghouse Electric Company, and the Western Union Telegraph Company. Less fortunate was his share in the reorganization in 1902 of the Metropolitan Street Railway of New York.[8]
He became associated with E.H. Harriman in notable contests with James J. Hill and J.P. Morgan & Company for control of several Western railroads. Schiff served as a director of the Equitable Life Assurance Society, National City Bank of New York, Central Trust Company, Western Union Telegraph Company, Union Pacific Railroad, Bond & Mortgage Guarantee Company, and Wells Fargo & Company. He was elected a director of Wells Fargo in September 1914 to succeed his brother-in-law, Paul Warburg, who had resigned to accept appointment to the original Federal Reserve Board.[9][10][11][12]
Schiff always felt strongly about his connection to the Jewish people, and showed this through his philanthropy. He supported relief efforts for the victims of pogroms in Russia, and helped establish and develop Hebrew Union College, the Jewish Theological Seminary, the Jewish Division in the New York Public Library, and the American Jewish Committee.. However, he also financed many major American projects, believing strongly in the need to further develop and bring together the U.S.
Schiff grew to be one of American Jewry’s top philanthropists and leaders, donating to nearly every major Jewish cause, as well as many secular American causes such as the Boy Scouts of America, the Semitic Museum at Harvard, the American Museum of Natural History, Metropolitan Museum of Art, American Fine Arts Society, and the American Geographical Society; and a number of other organizations for civil rights and the disadvantaged, such as the American Red Cross, Montefiore Home for Chronic Invalids, and Tuskegee Institute. He also played a role in the municipal affairs of New York City, and worked to shrink the reliance on machine bureaucracy in this arena.[13][14]
During the Russo-Japanese War, in 1904 and 1905, in perhaps his most famous financial action, Schiff, again through Kuhn, Loeb & Co., extended a critical series of loans to Japan, in the amount of $200 million.[15] He was willing to extend this loan due, in part, to his belief that gold is not as important as national effort and desire, in helping win a war, and due to the apparent underdog status of Japan at the time; no European nation had yet been defeated by a non-European nation in a modern, full-scale war. It is quite likely Schiff also saw this loan as a means of avenging, on behalf of the Jewish people, the anti-Semitic actions of the Tsarist regime, specifically the then-recent pogroms in Kishinev.
This loan attracted worldwide attention, and had major consequences. Japan won the war, thanks in large part to the purchase of munitions made possible by Schiff’s loan, and elements of its government took this as evidence of the power of Jews all around the world, of their loyalty to one another, and as proof of the truth of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. This thinking later led to the failed Fugu Plan, which would have saved many thousands of Jews from the Holocaust, bringing them to Japan-controlled China to work for the benefit of Japan’s economy. In 1905, Schiff was awarded the Japanese Order of the Sacred Treasure;[16] in 1907 he was honored with the Japanese Order of the Rising Sun.[17] Schiff was the first foreigner to have been personally awarded the Order by Emperor Meiji in the Imperial Palace.[18]
Schiff was also invited to a private audience in 1904 with King Edward VII of England.
In addition to his famous loan to Japan, Schiff financed loans to many other nations, including those that would come to comprise the Central Powers. When World War I finally did break out, he used his reputation and influence to urge President Woodrow Wilson, and others, to put an end to the war as quickly as possible, even without an Allied victory. He feared for the lives of his family, back in Germany, but also for the future of his adopted land. He engineered loans to France, and other nations for humanitarian purposes, and spoke out against submarine warfare.
Over the years, before, during, and after World War I, his firm extended loans to many nations all around the world, but Schiff made sure none of the funds ever went to Russia, which continued to severely oppress the Jewish people. When the Tsar’s government fell in 1917, Schiff believed that the oppression of Jews would end. He formally repealed the impediments within his firm against lending to Russia.
As an observant Jew, Schiff stood opposed to political, secular Zionism. He claimed to identify with Jews by faith, not by race. However, despite not agreeing fully with the ideas of Theodore Herzl, and in fact believing that Zionism was not compatible with American citizenship, he donated to many Jewish projects in Palestine, including the Technical Institute of Haifa. As the situation for Eastern European Jews grew more dire, with the Russian Revolution, and pogroms in Ukraine, Schiff made more considerable contributions to the Zionist effort; he even offered to join the Zionist organization, provided he could publish a statement he’d prepared. This offer was denied, and so he never formally joined the Zionist camp.
Schiff died in New York City on September 25, 1920. He was succeeded as head of Kuhn, Loeb & Company by his son, Mortimer Leo Schiff (1877-1931).[19]
This is one example of a Jew well placed, well connected and with the means to change the course of History and as a Jew used his wealth and power to help many who were in need and not only for his own time.
Rongrand
I merely speculate based on my knowledge of how the state intelligence forces of Britain infiltrated the Irish nationalists of Sinn Fein to the highest level so that they say bark, Sinn Fein barked. You understand? people in general underestimate how much control of movements by the state apparatus takes place. The really interesting thing about Northern Ireland is how far back this went and how long the state kept these agents ontheir books. Anyway I think the answer to the second point is that the Jewish organizations are in the pocket of the US state machine, the leaders are totally mixed in witht he fortunes of the US Government and its foreign policy. This throws Bill´s call for unity behind Netanyahu into some doubt. These Jewish organizations are more likely to unite against Netanyahu. Overall what is missed in all of the above is the issue of a conscious leadership being built from the ground up, rahter than relying on the spontaneous movement “creating” leaders. This is why I believe a leadership must be built based on theory. Are you aware that I wrote about this on my blog http://www.4international.wordpress.com
Yamit82
You say God has the end predetermined.
But you say that man nevertheless has free will and we can through our practice facilitate how we arrive at that end.
Then does that offer the possibility of religious and non religious cooperating?
That would be a step forward.
Bill
You look for Netanyahu to give a lead and untie Israel.
Then for that to inspire Jews in the Diaspora.
But it cannot work like this. The differences right down the line are too great.
The most that can be hoped for is that the Iranian threat is delayed and that gives Israel the chance to be joined by revolutionary forces aroused by the economic crisis. That depends leadership which is in friendship with the Jewish people.
Yamit82
I disagree with what you proposed. Israel cannot allow Iran to get the nuclear bomb.
This would be a most serious defeat.
1. physical…great danger from these non rational forces
2. psychological…Iran has told Israel what the bomb is for. Then for Israel not to act would be very serious psychological defeat.
I do wish there was another way.
There is another aspect. If Israel does strike at Iran then that will in turn change everything. That will be the break with the US elite which you want so much as do I.
But people in general depend too much on spontaneity. Ted must turn seriously to building an organization. As people like you and Shofer must do in Israel.
I think you should understand of what an impossibility it is to get Most Jews on the same page for anything. In that I think we are a lot like the Irish and the Scots but not the Brits. Democracy is the worst form of Government for Jews, actually what we need is a King. I would say the anarchy of the time of the Judges would really be best for us but that seems unattainable today but a king? All we need is a Prophet. We can’t have a king without a Prophet. The first Prophet to show himself would give us the chance of renewing the Kingdom of Israel. I hope I live to see that day.
We aren’t good at organizing because first you have to have that which to organize for and against and as I said we can’t get enough Jews to agree about anything no less organize. Israel like most democracies is controlled by the dictum ” Legislation by disaster” We react to events and never seem to be out ahead of them so first we need the disaster then our reaction. A king would be more efficient. (sigh) We need a Prophet and a King but all we got are Rabbis and BB.
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Of course Felix cooperation is a good thing if you can agree on common aims and methods. We believe G-d used the secular Jew to build the country but then needs the faithful Jew to complete the cycle. Every thing in it’s own time and place. There is a rhythm to Jewish history and it’s not linear. Lots of zig zags, ups and downs but we do finally reach our promised destination and fulfill our purpose in G-d’s plan. In Jewish history we believe there are no coincidences.
From Samson Blinded:
Jewish religious nationalism
Is there a reason for secular Jews to attach themselves to Jewish people? No reason at all. There is no reason to be Jewish other than being religious. On the contrary, one first becomes religious, and consequentially associates with Jews. And just how one becomes religious? By realizing the improbability of the wondrous human mind and body developed by random mutations. Or by asking himself, how come we see no evolution whatsoever during the entire “excavated history,” only minor adaptations. Or by considering, how is the Big Bang, when no time and space existed, different from the Creation.
That’s in theory. In practice, many people first become Jews and then – religious. They become Jews as a matter of nationalism, and subsequently search for a cementing ideology. Judaism provides such ideology.
Why take on the Jewish nationalism rather than any other? Because Jews are smarter, more ethical than any other nation. But most importantly – because Jews are different. Many people just want to be different from those around them, and Jewishness is a scientific theory which establishes such difference. I, for one, never felt any attachment to the Christian crowds around me. Once a person of Jewish lineage opens his eyes and realizes that those around him are the direct descendants of those who murdered his relatives, who refused moving a finger to save his brothers from extermination just decades ago, who accepted the Arabs murdering his brothers in 1948 and 1967, and will murder himself should the occasion arise, it’s hard to associate with them. Regrettably, there’s not enough open hostility to Jews in America, the fact that allows many Jews to try to forget who they are.
Eventually, secular Israelis might have no choice but to embrace a degree of religion. In any other framework, they are thieves who took the land from Arabs. If Abraham did not buy the land in Hebron, if Jacob did not conquer Schem, if God did not give us this land – then what is the Jewish right to Tel Aviv? So the secular Jews either have to pronounce themselves as brutal and dishonest conquerors of Arab land, or ask for the Arab forgiveness in the terms of allowing them into Israel and assimilating with them. In practice, secular Jews might embrace the third option, that of their religious right to the land.
narvey: Though Abbas hints he might change his mind and recognize Israel’s right to exist if he gets the right deal, anyone with a lick of sense knows that Abbas is a liar and is one dedicated as much as Hamas to israel’s demise, albeit by different tactics, largely based on his dishonesty unlike Hamas that has no compunction in speaking the truth that Hamas wants Israel gone
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Hello, Bill, where are you getting your informatiom?. Abbas has recognized Israel’s right to exist and has additionally renounced violence as a means of creating a Palestinian State. Otherwise would the U.S., Israel, or anyone else be spending a milisecond in any kind of negotiations with him or his representatives. And that is precisely where Fatah and Hamas are so violently differing.Hamas has very stubbornly refused to recognize Israel as a legitimate state. Even a lightweight like Yamit with an intellectual deficit that exceeds the current U.S. fiscal deficit, is very well apprised of that fact. Tut, tut Bill, you ought to be ashamed.
What does abbas really say about Israels right to exist?
JPost.com » Middle East » Article
Dec 1, 2007 14:03 | Updated Dec 2, 2007 6:24
Abbas continues rejecting ‘Jewish state’ notion
By JPOST STAFF AND AP
Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas on Saturday reiterated his rejection of Israel’s demand to recognize it as a Jewish state.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1195546775369&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
“From a historical perspective, there are two states: Israel and Palestine. In Israel, there are Jews and others living there. This we are willing to recognize, nothing else,” Abbas told reporters before leaving for Saudi Arabia where he met Saudi King Abdullah for talks on the results of the Annapolis conference.
Palestinian negotiator Ahmad Qurei (Abu Ala) emphasized that that upcoming negotiations with Israel also apply to the Gaza
Strip, even though it is under Hamas control.
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Wednesday, March 18, 2009
PMW:Western funders misled: Fatah still refuses to recognize Israel
Bulletin March 17, 2009
Palestinian Media Watch
Western funders misled:
Fatah still refuses to recognize Israel,
PA’s “recognition” only to receive international aid
by Itamar Marcus and Barbara Crook
Furthermore, he said that the Palestinian Authority’s apparent “recognition”
is to make the PA “acceptable” to the international community, and therefore
allow it to continue to receive international aid:
“I want to say for the thousandth time, in my own name and in the name of
all of my fellow members of the Fatah movement: We do not demand that the
Hamas movement recognize Israel. On the contrary, we demand of the Hamas
movement not to recognize Israel, because the Fatah movement does not
recognize Israel even today.”
It is only the Palestinian Authority government, Dahlan insisted, that must
“recognize” Israel – not out of conviction or sincerity, but in order to
receive the needed help of the international community. This help would not
come, says Dahlan, if the PA government did not “recognize” Israel.
The inherent contradiction between the Fatah, headed by “Chairman” Mahmoud
Abbas, not recognizing Israel, and the Palestinian Authority, headed by
“President” Mahmoud Abbas, “recognizing” Israel, was not challenged by the
interviewer.
This is not merely Dahlan’s opinion but apparently official PA ideology. It
is nearly identical to the 2006 declaration made by Mahmoud Abbas himself
that while PA ministers have to “recognize” Israeli ministers across a
negotiating table, for functional purposes, this does not imply political
recognition by Fatah of Israel:
“Hamas is not required to recognize Israel… It is not required of Hamas,
or of Fatah, or of the Popular Front to recognize Israel.”
The following are the two declarations – yesterday’s by Dahlan and the
earlier one by Abbas – that Fatah does not recognize Israel.
Interview with Muhammad Dahlan, PA TV March 16, 2009:
Dahlan: “There are many distortions that the Hamas movement tries to
attribute to us [Fatah]. For instance, they always say that the Fatah
movement wants Hamas to recognize Israel. This is a gross deception. And I
want to say for the thousandth time, in my own name and in the name of all
of my fellow members of the Fatah movement: We do not demand that the Hamas
movement recognize Israel. On the contrary, we demand of the Hamas movement
not to recognize Israel, because the Fatah movement does not recognize
Israel, even today. [...] Therefore, no one can compete with us. We of the
Fatah do not recognize Israel; we recognized [corrects himself] recognize
that which the PLO recognized, but that does not obligate us as a
Palestinian resistance faction.”
It is not being demanded of Hamas that it recognize Israel. The government
must deal with people’s problems… The entire Palestinian economy is
dependent on Israel. The government’s role is to manage the day-to-day life
of the Palestinian people. I cannot force my thinking and my position
[non-recognition of Israel] on the government, and then [were I to do so] -
should the Palestinian people pay the price for this position? No. I
maintain the position of the Hamas and of the Fatah not to recognize Israel,
but the government is required to offer medical treatment, to make education
easier and take care of it. It must carry out reconstruction. Do you imagine
that Gaza’s reconstruction is possible under the shadow of this political
bickering between us and the international community?
Moderator: Why must the new government recognize the PLO’s commitments?
Dahlan: It’s not the political parties [that must recognize]; it’s required
of the government and not of the parties. It’s required of the government
but not of Hamas; it’s required of the government but not of the Fatah, so
that this government will be able to offer the necessary assistance, to
carry out the necessary reconstruction, to offer assistance to the sick, to
bring relief to needy families… This can be dealt with [only] by a
government that has relations with the international community, one that is
acceptable to the international community, in order that we can work
together and benefit from the international community.”
Click to view Dahlan’s statement that Fatah does not recognize Israel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTQ5CNYLoXE
The following interview with Mahmoud Abbas was broadcast on Al-Arabiya
[based in Dubai] and Palestinian TV on Oct. 3, 2006:
The host is discussing with Mahmoud Abbas the difference between Hamas and
Fatah preventing the establishing of a Palestinian unity government.
Host: “But maybe Hamas is right regarding the fact that it does not want to
recognize Israel.”
Abbas [snaps]: “Hamas is not required, Hamas is not required to recognize
Israel… It is not required of Hamas, or of Fatah, or of the Popular Front
to recognize Israel, all right?
“The PLO, in 1993, recognized Israel. As Israel recognized the PLO. Every
person has the right to say ‘I do not recognize,’ okay? It’s your right. It
is the right of every organization. But the government which will be formed,
and which will function opposite the Israelis on a daily basis… every hour
and perhaps every second, there will be contact between Palestinian
ministers and Israeli ministers. And I ask – how can this government, or
these ministers, not recognize their counterparts, and then solve people’s
problems?” [Abbas then gives an example of $500 million in taxes intended
for the Palestinians, but put on hold by Israelis. The Palestinian finance
minister has to come to an agreement with the Israeli finance minister
regarding the transfer of that money.] “So how can he make an agreement with
him if he does not recognize him?”
“So I do not demand of Hamas nor any other [organizations] to recognize
Israel. But from the government that works with Israelis in day to day life,
yes.”
Click to view Abbas’s statement
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7ERHWA1Hlo
Peskin I can supply pages and pages of similar corroboration of Narveys statement and facts even more in contradiction to yours and the Saintly NYT RAG. ( your apparent Bible of truth )
Now whom between us is a lightweight and intellectually deficient? While any objective reader on Israpundit realizes what you are. You seem determined to keep reinforcing their and my opinion of you and seem to have a compulsive need in proving that perception always correct.
The forked tongue of Hamas: How it speaks differently to Western and Arab media
The forked tongue of Hamas: How it speaks differently to Western and Arab
media
Background Paper by IDF Intelligence 11-Apr-2006
http://www.imra.org.il/story.php3?id=29004
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Friday, March 27, 2009
PSR – Survey Research Unit: Public Opinion Poll # 31 of Palestinians – details
PSR – Survey Research Unit: Public Opinion Poll # 31
http://www.pcpsr.org/survey/polls/2009/p31e.html
Survey samples:
http://www.imra.org.il/story.php3?id=43239
Peskin I thought that Israel was already recognized?
18)After the separation between Gaza and the West Bank, Hamas and the
government of Ismail Haniyeh remained in power in Gaza and considered itself
the legitimate government while president Abu Mazin formed a new government
headed by Salam Fayyad and it too considered itself legitimate. What about
you, which of the two government you consider legitimate, the government of
Haniyeh or the government of Abu Mazin and Fayyad?
34.6% 1) Haniyehs’ government is the legitimate one
25.0% 2) Abu Mazin’s and Fayyad government is the legitimate one
9.0% 3) Both governments are legitimate
26.0% 4) Both governments are not legitimate
5.3% 5) DK/NA
19)Given the outcome of the Israeli war against the Gaza Strip, do you think
the Palestinians are today better or worse off than they were before the
war?
10.6% 1) better off
71.2% 2) worse off
17.3% 3) same as before the war
1.0% 4) DK/NA
21)Are you satisfied or dissatisfied with the performance of the Hamas
government in the Gaza Strip with regard to providing housing and
reconstruction to the victims of the Israeli attack?
8.3% 1) certainly satisfied
40.5% 2) satisfied
28.1% 3) dissatisfied
9.6% 4) Certainly dissatisfied
13.6% 5) DK/NA
22)From among the following three Palestinian priorities, which in your
opinion is the most important one?
24.9% 1) Gaza reconstruction
46.1% 2) reconciliation and reunification of the West Bank and the Gaza
Strip
28.3% 3) return to quite and opening of Gaza crossings
0.7% 4) DK/NA
Peskin, I see no pali majority for Abbas, do you?
24)In your view, who is the legitimate president of the PA today?
27.3% 1) Speaker of the PLC
38.6% 2) Mahmud Abbas
3.6% 3) other (specify ——- )
23.7% 4) no one
6.8% 5) DK/NA
Peskin,
After this latest poll what gives you any confidence that any resolution can be had between us and them? Wishing for something won’t do. Obama will probably be toppled before American pressure an be brought to bear on Israel. The Tea Parties are only the beginning of real descent by the American People. Civil war is a distinct possibility.
Tea parties against Obama
More than 40 nationwide ‘Chicago Tea Parties’ protest against Obama’s bailout plan
More than 40 nationwide ‘Chicago Tea Parties’ protest against Obama’s bailout plan
Posted By: Milo Yiannopoulos at Feb 27, 2009 at 16:50:00 [General]
Posted in: Foreign Correspondents , Politics , Business , Technology , Society
Tags:
#TCOT, bailout, Barack Obama, Nationwide Chicago Tea Party
Last week Republican strategist and author Michael Patrick Leahy guest posted on this blog, announcing the upcoming Nationwide Chicago Tea Parties. Well, they’ve arrived!
Rick Santelli captures the mood of the nation – and inadvertently inspires over 40 nationwide tea parties
From World Net Daily:
Americans are saying enough is enough to extravagant government spending and are throwing more than 40 tea parties across the nation in protest of the recent bailouts and “stimulus” package.
Kellen Giuda, an architect who was recently laid-off, is organizing his own New York City tea party. He has invited several prominent guest speakers, including politicians, elected officials, an author, blogger, a bond trader and a former contestant on “America’s Next Top Model” to speak out against excessive government spending.
“I saw Rick Santelli’s rant, live, and thought it was awesome,” he told WND. “All of this fiscal irresponsibility is absurd.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEZB4taSEoA&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fblogs.telegraph.co.uk%2Fmilo_yiannopoulos%2Fblog%2F2009%2F02%2F27%2Fmore_than_40_nationwide_chicago_tea_parties_protest_against_oba&feature=player_embedded
http://www.freedomworks.org/petition/iamwithrick/index.html
He continued, “Then I started hearing about tea parties, and I decided to do it. It’s really exciting. There are a lot of people getting involved now.”
The tea parties are happening all over the States today. For more information, visit the official website or follow Michael Patrick Leahy or the #teaparty hashtag on Twitter.
Watch Santelli in action with Obama Media Groupies: No contest!!! I love it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfLeuAopNyI&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEZB4taSEoA&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fblogs.telegraph.co.uk%2Fmilo_yiannopoulos%2Fblog%2F2009%2F02%2F27%2Fmore_than_40_nationwide_chicago_tea_parties_protest_against_oba&feature=player_embedded