Shas has announced it will support dissolution
By Ted Belman
Now that Shas has agreed to support the motion for dissolution the end is near. In anticipation of the coming election Pro Land of Israel Parties Planning to Run in a Unified List
The guiding principles of the combined parliamentary list,
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“in one sentence, the Land of Israel for the People of Israel according to the Torah of Israel, along with involvement in matters of education, social welfare, etc.”
The parties currently renegotiating a unification agreement include the National Religious Party and the constituent member parties of the National Union: Moledet, Achi, and MK Ariel’s Tekumah faction.
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When asked if the parties considering running together don’t fear a dilution of their drawing power among voters, Ariel replied that the analysis they have carried out thus far shows that only tiny groups on the extreme ends of the various factions may be put off by the alliance. The vast majority of voters who favor Israeli sovereignty over its homeland, he claimed, do want political unity.
Their intended platform of this land is our land forever is shared by the aspiring Hatikvah that prefers emphasize nationalism and identity over religion.
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As for unity with the secular parties which promote Jewish sovereignty in Israel, MK Ariel dismissed the new and untested Hatikva party of MK Aryeh Eldad as representing “a few hundred people” and said, “We made a strategic decision several months ago that the new [unified] party will be open to secular traditionalists as well, who will then, of course, be represented among the Knesset members differently than today, as well as in all of the party institutions. We see this issue as a priority and not just for these elections. We are seeking to lead the nation and it is clear that in order to do so, we need a much larger public, many more voters, on a broader scale.”
Ariel said that the unified party would approach other existing parties, perhaps including Hatikva, and individual political leaders, such as MK Yuli Edelstein (Likud), to create “a large, expansive home party that will soon lead the State of Israel. Even if it doesn’t happen in the coming year, it is a process and something that one must aspire to, and, God willing, we will reach it soon.”
Notwithstanding that opinion Effie Eitam, the leader of Achi is talking with Arieh Eldad. Professor I Aumann has joined Achi
I’m all for a coalition to be formed of various parties united in their demand that Judea and Samaria belong to the Jews. All other issues are secondary.
I believe that such a platform when presented to the public without embarrassment, clearly and unequivocally, will move the country to embrace this position rather than the failed two state solution.
Likud and Netanyahu will follow the trend.
I am meeting with Arieh Eldad today at the Knesset. I’ll report what he has to say.
I dont know how that Shas party can live with itself. It should have bolted the coalition years ago.
money makes the world go around and also Shas!
money makes the world go around and also Shas!
Comment by yamit82 — June 15, 2008 @ 7:12 am
So true.
Watching the daily degradation of my government… I sort of understand the hopelessness that I’m told a lot of Israelis feel. I can’t believe what I see happening.
I buy into the concept of one large party whose platform is the sovereignty of all the lands of Israel. This maybe the only way of protecting the Nation. It could, also, start the beginning of changing the mode of government toward the election of all representatives.
“in one sentence, the Land of Israel for the People of Israel according to the Torah of Israel, along with involvement in matters of education, social welfare, etc.”
I, as a Gentile sinner outside of the Camp of Israel, who doesn’t have access without the blood of the Lamb of GOD, agree that God’s covenant with Israel in the Land is an Eternal Covenant that cannot be repealed by any man or government on earth.
I love this one sentence line and fully support such an act. The UNIFICATION of Israel must rely on TORAH LAW and TORAH LAND COVENANT as given by God to Moses and the whole world community must take a bow before the Lord, the God of Israel on this matter. If any political party in the Israeli Knesset doesn’t support Torah Law, they must be dismantled permanently. Any faction, division, whether religious or secular must never again be allowed into a Torah based Knesset. A Torah based Knesset in which the God of Israel’s commands is LAW can be successful with FAITH, PRAYER, and LEADERSHIP based on God’s commands. Our fight against the God of Israel’s enemies, begins with the enemy within ourselves, which sets aside God’s Laws for selfish gains. We must ALL take a bow before THE FATHER OF CREATION, submit to His Will. I will pray for Ted Belman’s meeting to be successful and I pray for a successful,unified Knesset with the permanent exile of Olmert to Syria or any other land where he compromised Israeli National Security for personal gain or the gain of those who have violated Torah Law. My prayers, my love, and my support are with the Israeli Knesset during these difficult times and I would hope that someday, someone will be brave enough to blow up the Dome of the Rock and replace it with a Third Jewish People – world peace cannot be achieved unless the world community allows the Jewish people to pray on the Temple Mount, build a Third Temple, and send the Palestinians to the Islamic country of their choice. Saudi Arabia must agree to allowing Palestinian refugess to settle in Arabia and leave Israel alone – otherwise – no negotiations! As a lesson, I, today, am not speaking with a fellow co-worker who is a hostile Arab, a hater, a liar, a racist, and a backstabbing leech! I pray for her to come to a knowledge of the Truth and be saved, but sometimes, you just can’t negotiate with people who hae no reason or logic or common sense!
I stand in support of the LAND OF ISRAEL BASED ON TORAH LAW against all enemies, foreign and domestic to Israeli soil! I myself do not lay claim of ownership to any land on Earth, since my home is in Heaven. But just because my home is in Heaven with the God of Israel, doesn’t mean I can’t still support HIS VISION for the Land of Israel! I LOVE ISRAEL AND THE ISRAELI PEOPLE AND GOD DAMN ALL THE REST OF THEM IF THEY CAN’T ACCEPT GOD’S TERMS!
sunstartmf33
You know that were your desire to actually happen you would be barred from ever setting a foot on Israeli soil under penalty of death. No Christians would be allowed. No churches etc. Muslims yes but Christianity is considered by Torah Law as Pagan and is to be barred from contaminating the Holy Land of Israel. Can you live with that?
The Torah maintains that the righteous Gentiles of all nations (those observing the Seven Laws of Noah, listed below) have a place in the World to Come. But not all religious Gentiles earn eternal life by virtue of observing their religion:
Contrary to popular belief, the Torah does not maintain that Jews are necessarily better than other people simply because they are Jews. Although we are God’s chosen people, we do not believe that God chose the Jews because of any inherent superiority. According to a story in the Talmud, God offered the Torah to all the nations of the earth, and the Jews were the only ones who accepted it. According to another story, the Jews were offered the Torah last, and accepted it only because God held a mountain over their heads! Another traditional story suggests that God chose the Jews because they were the lowliest of nations, and their success would be attributed to God’s might rather than their own ability. Clearly, these are not the ideas of a people who think they are inherently better than other nations.
Because of our acceptance of Torah, Jews have a special status in the eyes of God, but we lose that special status when we abandon Torah. Furthermore, the blessings that we received from God by accepting the Torah come with a high price: Jews have a greater responsibility than non-Jews. While non-Jews are only obligated to obey the seven commandments given to Noah, Jews are responsible for fulfilling the 613 mitzvot in the Torah, thus God will punish Jews for doing many things that would not be a sin for non-Jews.
The Seven Laws of Noah
According to Torah tradition, God gave Noah and his family seven commandments to observe when he saved them from the flood. These commandments, referred to as the Noahic or Noahide commandments, are learned by tradition but also suggested in Genesis Chapter 9, and are as follows:
1. not to commit idolatry
2. not to commit blasphemy
3. not to commit murder
4. not to have forbidden sexual relations
5. not to commit theft
6. not to eat flesh cut from a living animal
7. to establish courts of justice to punish violators of the other six laws.
These commandments may seem fairly simple and straightforward, and most of them are recognized by most of the world as sound moral principles. But according to the Torah only those Gentiles who observe these laws because God commanded them in His Torah will enjoy life in the World to Come: If they observe them just because they seem reasonable or because they think that God commanded them in some way other than in the Torah, they might as well not obey them so far as a part in the World to Come is concerned.
The Noahic commandments are binding on all people, because all people are descended from Noah and his family. The 613 mitzvot of the Torah, on the other hand, are only binding on the descendants of those who accepted the commandments at Sinai and upon those who take on the yoke of the commandments voluntarily (by conversion). Some say that the Noahic commandments are applied more leniently to non-Jews than the corresponding commandments are to Jews, because non-Jews do not have the benefit of Oral Torah to guide them in interpreting the laws. Some European rabbis (presumably because of fear of reprisal from their Christian neighbors, famous for their violence to Jews) have gone so far as to say that worshipping God in the form of a man constitutes idolatry for a Jew punishable by death, but the Trinitarian Christian worship of Jesus does not constitute idolatry. In truth, any idolatry for which a Jew is punishable by death is also punishable by death for non-Jews, including the worship of a man as a god.
sunstartmf33, just to expound and clarify a bit more:
The Torah demands from Jews both faith in Hashem and obedience to the Commandments of the Torah. The Laws of the Torah are forever. (Deut. 30:28, and many other places).
From Gentiles, Hashem demands only adherence to the Seven Laws of the Children of Noah.
The generation of Israelites that left Egypt was the greatest generation of people who have ever lived. They were the most righteous, and they had the more faith and trust in Hashem than any other generation as a whole. The Torah says about them, “And they believed in Hashem and in Moses His servant” (Exodus 14:31). And it says, “And those of you who have remained firmly attached to Hashem are all still alive today” (Deut. 4:4). So that generation had a tremendous amount of faith. They had so much faith, that in all the forty years they were in the Sinai Desert they sinned only ten times! (Numbers 14:22) How much does the average person today sin in one day?
Hashem chose the Jewish People in the merit of the Patriarchs and Matriarchs, and because of the promise Hashem made to them that the descendants of Jacob (who was also called Israel) would remain forever the Chosen People (see Deut. 4:37). Since the Jews were chosen in the merit of our ancestors, not for own merits, nothing that we do can make us lose that position. Hashem will never reject the Jews. This is stated many times in the Torah. Here is one example:
Judaism has no concept of “being brought to salvation.” No one is in need of “saving.” When Adam and Eve sinned, they brought the world down to a more physical level. Now the work for spirituality is more difficult, but the rewards are greater. We are not born “in sin.” We are all born with a clean slate. We are all born to improve ourselves through our work for spirituality.
What is the work for spirituality? All we need do is study the Torah and fulfill the Commandments we are able to fulfill, or to honestly and sincerely attempt to fulfill the Commandments, as Hashem has instructed us. This includes improving our character traits.
One of the most important aspects of Service to Hashem and self-development for a Jew is the study of Torah. As it says, “This Book of the Torah must never be absent from your speech, and you shall study it day and night, so that you can be sure to fulfill all that is written in the Torah. Then everything you do will be successful, and you will be wise” (Joshua 1:8). Therefore, we study the Torah constantly. This is why the Jews are known to be a studious, intelligent, learned people. The Torah therefore says, “You shall be careful and do the Commandments, because that is your wisdom and knowledge as the Gentiles see it; when they hear about all these Laws they will say, “this great nation is surely a wise and sage nation” (Deut. 4:6).
Hashem knows everything that goes on the universe. Hashem rewards those who do good, and punishes those who do evil, but that is not the reason to do good. The more good we do, the greater our relationship with Hashem, and the holier we become.
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Felix, why the upset? I believe in God of Abraham you believe in Karl Marx and Trotsky, You must be Like the Last of the Mohicans, can’t be many stupid communists left on this planet but ea. to his own. I don’t want you to be Jewish or anything else but if there is a real religious fanatic here I would say it is You! I moved to a Jewish Homeland and you an Irishman to Spain. Can’t be too many Irishman in Spain I guess too hot for their fair skin I suppose and the Language? If there is one country more Catholic than Ireland I would choose Spain. Why didn’t you move to an Atheist country like Vietnam or China? I can’t say Russia as most have reverted back to the Eastern church. So much for almost a century of your Commi Ideology, not much to show for all that hard work and revolutionary zeal.. Yea we know it was all the fault of those naughty Stalinists, well maybe?
This is supposed to be an Israel advocacy site and the last I heard Israel was a Jewish state not a State of the Jews. While we are not yet a theocracy many of us hope that someday we will be. You are not a democrat but a commi revolutionary so why is the concept so hard for you to grasp? nobody lives here and has a wet dream of a proletarian revolution We sort of like our communism and capitalism which has brought us a decent material life style. We would prefer less intrusive government than more and if there ever is a revolution here it will be against the left over institutional bureaucracy left over by our commi and socialist antecedents. Isn’t it curious that the Jews here most anti Arab are those who came from Arab countries and those most anti Communist are those who lived under Communism before they came here? People voted with their feet in both cases.
For over two years now I have been trying to figure you out, what are you after, what are you advocating except saying you are anti fascist, anti Islam, anti –anti sementism, anti Capitalist, anti – monotheistic, religions, and anti American, If I left out any other antis, it is my oversight, and I apologize for it.
On occasion I have quoted directly or partially from Samson but only after asking his permission to do so. You may ask him if you like. I happen to agree with most of his views and beliefs and he says it better than me. I am not looking for literary credit just trying to make a clear statement of my own views.
You misquoted me in the above Link THE SYSTEM OF BETRAYAL ON ISRAPUNDIT
What I wrote is not from Samson but taken from the bible and I wrote it except for the quotes all by myself. But if You are looking for attribution I quoted most of the verses and attributed to their proper places.
Ted maybe an atheist or not who cares? and may disagree with everything I say but who says he agrees with you and you post freely. I will be willing to bet anything Felix that more people agree with me than with you. I can’t say I know of a single Trotsky believer in the whole country unless they are all hiding out somewhere or still in their closets! If you are searching for some cause to start your new Commi revolution I would suggest you look for some other suckers, as it won’t begin or happen here. I hope if a revolution does break out here it will be for the right reasons and the right causes.
Madness? Atheists? What is madness about sting Jewish Law to a Christian supporter of Israel, not to belittle the Christian but to make a point that Judaism has a position that is contradictory to his stated position. Should I have quoted in response noted Atheists Hindus, of communists? Is Judaism for you Madness? You are certainly entitled to your opinions and beliefs but why do you seem so intolerant of others beliefs and opinions? I know it is the commi way. MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY OR GULAG, OR SIBERIA OR WORSE? You Blame Ted for allowing religious thinking and postings while you advocate a secular religion in Trotskyism, Atheism, which are no less religious belief systems than Judaism Islam or Christianity. You are no less a true believer than any of us , maybe even more. Ted did come around to your thinking re: Serbia, so what are you crying about. You found a cause stuck to it and managed to say some people to the correctness of your argument. Then you blew it as you had no where to go from there, nothing solid or substantial to build on. Serbia is a dead horse unless the Serbs revolt. Why don”t you peddle your revolutions to Serbia, or the Basques?
Have a nice day Felix