“Are you going to believe your eyes or what I tell you.”
By Ted Belman
Haaretz reports,
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Pope Benedict XVI began a delicate trip to the Middle East on Friday by expressing “deep respect” for Islam and calling for a three-way dialogue of Christians, Muslims and Jews to help peace.
He said that peace efforts were often blocked by partisan interests and that the Church could “help reasonable positions bloom” and that it wanted to engage Jews and Muslims in a dialogue for peace.
“A trilateral dialogue must move forward. It is very important for peace and also to allow each person to live his or her faith well,” he said.
At the same time it Washinton Times reports Obama’s speech in Egypt to reach out to Muslims. Obama will give a major speech in Egypt in June in which he will
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“extend a hand to those that in many ways are like us, but just simply have a different religion.”
Notwithstanding the Pope’s deep respect, he didn’t take his shoes off when entering a Mosque. He also embraced only “reasonable positions”. Nevermind that Islam has no interest in being reasonable.
We will have to wait to hear how Obama expands on his message that Muslims are just like us.
Egyptian Ambassador Sameh Shoukry said his nation has a rich history of tolerance and diversity and
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“The true nature of Islam lies in its moderate heart, not at its radical fringes,”
I guess I can’t complain too much. Bush called Islam “a religion of peace”.
While the world demonizes Israel and Jews, it whitewashes Islam and Muslims
How much tolerance is there for the Coptic Christians? No, muslims are not at all like us. Christians and Jews believe in the sanctity of life and islam worships death. Not only the killing of infidels but being killed in the service of allah is for muslims the highest ideal.
Laura, I agree with you that no Islamic country and the religion of Islam are tolerant and that Islam is a faith which elevates subservience and martyrdom even a death cult. Then you go and place Christianity as the converse who believe in the sanctity of life. I would hold they are both in their own way with many distinct nuances the same. In the 20th century alone Christian Countries were responsible for more deaths and inflicting misery on more humans than all of the history that preceded it. This is true even today in Iraq, Afghanistan and potentially in other geographical zones. Amrica has al;so thrown our ethnic cousins the Kurds under the Bus as well. Afghanis and Kurds both connected to the Jews are being either targeted or sacrificed by the Great Christian Nation of the USA. Coincidence?
Yamit, it is wrong to equate Islam with Christianity by virtue of respective death counts at the hands or their respective adherents.
That does not address fundamental issues with respect to Islam and in particular sectarian Muslim fundamentalism which is fostering beliefs that in a great many Muslims manifests in intolerance and hatred of non-Muslims, especially Jews.
Estimates of violent and potentially violent Islamist Jihadist numbers range from 10% – 15% of the 1.6 billion Muslims or 160 – 240 million Mulsim hate filled killers. See: Mid East Forum article: http://www.meforum.org/pipes/5967/counting-islamists
That number goes up dramatically when you include in the count, those Muslims that believe Islamist hatred and violence is justified to an extent.
Extrapolating those numbers of hardcore Islamist Jihadists to include those Muslims that form part of the human infrastructure for Islamism, and the numbers of Muslims who are part of or support Islamist intolerance, hatreds, bloodlust and zest for death provided non-Muslims and Jews especially are murdered, maimed or made to suffer in the process and the number of Muslims as part of the Islamist sector of Islam rises dramatically to perhaps even include a majority of the world’s Muslims.
That is the relevant focus peoples of Western democracies must have when they assess the threat to our Western democratic and Judeo-Christian way of life.
There may well be some common features amongst Judaism, Christianity and Islam, but they are irrelevant for the purpose of seeing and understanding who the enemy is.
That however is irrelevant when determining which ethnic religious group poses the most dire threat to world order and the Western democratic peoples.
Laura this is for you and others of course. The Americans are primarily responsible for denying independence to Kurds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLzZn1cI95I&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSliBxyc7vA&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9M2cNsQgrJY&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTt84I3bxF4&feature=related Israel training Kurds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7nx7r2NJx8&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fr0qLd9LSxc
narvey:
There are many extreme islamists in the world. However they cannot be equated with the forces of Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia by virtue of the fact that they just don’t have the capabilities to challenge the military forces of the west. The Islamists are largely disunited and are driven by internal rivalries. Example radical Iran is highly antagonistic to the Taliban. Syria the hated enemy of Israel is also the hated enemy of the radical Muslim brotherhood. The Hamas-Syrian connection is a marriage of convenience.It provides both parties leverage in there respective conflicts with Israel.
The real enemy is the the illusion that a conventional army can attain any durable success in waging war against irregular forces in an alien country where most of the population is unfriendly to the invaders. The net result in both Iraq and Afghanistan has been economic self destruction. As G W. Bush once stated, we are elephants swatting mosquitos.
yamit, my friend.
Keep in touch, please.
I am not whitewashing Islam but only challenging the postulate that Christians, are better and that they represent a creed that elevates life. I discount words and professions of brotherly love but judge according to deeds, works and the historical record to this day. Look at our criticism of the Vatican and the Pope today and I have posted recently only the barest outlines and not even scratched the surface as to how the Church since 48, has done everything in their power to support the enemies of the Jews who seek our destruction. (So they use Muslim proxies and fain innocence and clean hands. They have and continue to obfuscate whenever the Jews demand of the Church remedial actions of past and near past crimes against Jews and Israel. The protestants are the leaders and major propagators of antisemitism, including divestment campaigns against Israel.Public boycotts and denouncements. The list is long.
During the Crusades the conflict then was between Islam and Christendom but both slaughtered the Jews especially the Christians. Today the Conflict between the two is still a going concern the difference today is that the Christians can focus their hatred onto Israel and use others to do their dirty work for them.
They screwed the Serbs and the kurds, now the Afghans and Israel. They will use whatever and whoever they can to that end.
Tom Lehrer’s National Brotherhood Week
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgASBVMyVFI&feature=related
Marty Feldman – Vatican Rag – Tom Lehrer In honor of the Popes coming visit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQ0bqZw6B0A&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f72CTDe4-0&feature=related
Wrong, that’s a leftist myth. There are many examples like Israel and the last intifada. Russia and Chechnya, Shining Path, Basques,Kurds and hundreds more. In fact more rebellions using asymmetrical warfare have been defeated with many after long attrition dissolved for lack of stamina and or support.
Somehow you always throw at us only un-researched nonfactual or partially factual opinions. I know you are a pansy appeaser and coward but at least back up your broad general comments
Ideologies are similar as well as aims and goals. Today a nuke device or several nuke devices in the hands of these nuts can do to your west what the Russians could have during the cold war and certainly as much harm and carnage as Hitler.
Your stupid Black Plague Idol will it seems bring about that very thing you claim to not want. Global Armageddon! Those toothless saints you have no fear of or apparent concern over wants to be attacked as it is part of the belief theology that the Mahdi is now and even if attacked by nukes think enough of them will survive for continuance. This is not a situation of MAD, They want the Nuke War. I hope you are around to see it become a reality and to be at least at one of the ground zero sites.. at the least close to one.
Ted, re:
you cannot complain enough! This is not a Bush vs. Obama or either/or, but a both/and…Bush & Obama, & the false prophet Pope, too… they are ALL part of “interfaith dialogue” movement to pressure Israel into sharing Jerusalem…as a first step.
(“Upon your walls, O Jerusalem, I have set watchmen, who shall never be silent by day or by night. O you, the LORD’s remembrancers, take no rest and give no rest to Him until He establish Jerusalem and make her renowned on earth.” ~ Is 62:6-7)
Narvey this is especially for you and P, but I want all who read and post on Israpundit to watch and comment as well.
I got these clips by email and taken together I think it gives the perspective of width and depth that previous generations before the holocaust didn’t have. One must view the scenes on these clips in the context of recent Jewish history and be realistic enough to concede that something remarkable is happening in our time and right before our own eyes. Can the Jews today afford to discount the events now taking place as unconnected and mindless or purposeful and directed?
Rabbi Amnon Yitzchak: Moshiach is Imminent
Rabbi Amnon Yitzchak personally sent the following two clips, which are a “must-see” for every Jew outside of Israel:
http://lazerbrody.typepad.com/lazer_beams/2009/05/rabbi-amnon-yitzchak-moshiach-is-imminent.html
This is the message: The Jews all over the world are in danger. Get out now while you can. Can you take the chance it is only a passing phenomenon? I wouldn’t post this if I didn’t believe the message is correct. Judge for yourselves.
Soren, unlike most Jews understands.
Battle for Jerusalem: PA Leader Prays near Ma’aleh Adumim
by Tzvi Ben Gedalyahu
(IsraelNN.com)
Palestinian Authority Prime Minister Salam Fayyad appeared at a protest tent near Ma’aleh Adumim on Friday, riding on the coattails of an increasingly hard-line American policy that would eliminate almost all issues from negotiations between the PA and Israel.
Ma’aleh Adumim, whose population of 40,000 makes it the largest city in Judea and Samaria, is located only two miles (five kilometers) from the French Hill area of Jerusalem, where the PA demands to establish its capital. The city is a key political and geographical area, as Israeli efforts focus on establishing a Jewish presence along the entire route between it and the capital.
Fayyad participated in Muslim prayers at Abu Dis, near the proposed E1 section of Ma’aleh Adumim, which has been the center of diplomatic disputes between the United States and Israel for several years.
Officials of the American and Israeli governments have presented differing versions of a letter from former U.S. President George W. Bush to Israel concerning commitments that Ma’aleh Adumim will remain under Israeli sovereignty. Building in E-1 would solidify the claim.
Meanwhile, the PA has won sweeping support from the U.S., European nations and countries as far away as China for a total halt to all Jewish construction in Judea and Samaria as a step towards the expulsion of more than 250,000 Jews from their homes. Supporters of the PA received another injection of confidence this past week, when U.S. Vice President Joe Biden and Sen. John Kerry told American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), a strong lobby for Israel, that Israel must cooperate with the American vision in order to reach a peace agreement with the PA.