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July 8, 2009

The tools of persuasion

By Ted Belman

The headlines are coming fast and furious.

Did U.S. okay Israel construction of 2,500 settlement homes?

Israel had won agreement from the United States for the continued construction of 2,500 housing units in settlements in the West Bank, despite U.S. calls for a freeze, according to the Israeli newspaper Ma’ariv.

‘We’ll evacuate 23 outposts very soon’

Defense Minister Ehud Barak met Middle East envoy George Mitchell for the second time in a week on Monday, and promised that Israel would evacuate 23 illegal outposts in the West Bank in a matter of weeks or months, as opposed to years, Army Radio reported.

Israel authorizes weapons transfer to Abbas

IDF to radically cut W. Bank presence

All this in the last week and more with no quid pro quo. Add this to the fact that Netanyahu for the first time in his life conceded “two states for two peoples.”

On the diplomatic front we hear that the US/Israel bond is “unbreakable”, that both sides are working out a compromise solution, that Obama is making demands on the Arabs and according to Biden, Israel is a sovereign nation and the US can’t tell it what to do.

All the movement set out in the headlines suggests otherwise. After all Kadima never did these things (it did other things).

I just had a long meeting with an MK of long standing on the right who told me a little of what was going on.

Apparently, Netanyahu came away from his meeting with Obama, a changed man, a shell of his former self.

Imagine if you will being ordered by the Mob at a Casino to come into the back room due to your “independence”. You see on entering some heavy set men around a table on which there is a hammer, a saw, a blowtorch, razor blades, a vise, acid and a number of other persuaders. Well you get the idea of what Netanyahu’s meeting was like.

The gloves came off and the Obama administration put their tools on the table.

I can’t even imagine all the tools that were put on the table.

Bottom line was, you better cave or else. Obama was ready to declare diplomatic war on Israel. In fact he had already started the war. He had his team make outrageous demands on Israel such as stopping construction on the large suburbs around Israel and even had a think tank recommend Israel give up Jerusalem. He would not have done that if he didn’t mean to take Israel to the mat.

Obama means business. Every other arena in foreign affairs is getting more and more problematic with no good result in sight. Only by crunching little Israel could Obama hoped to have a foreign affairs success. He set a goal of solving the Palestinian conflict with two years. Just when his campaign for re-election would be beginning. beginning.

Netanyahu left the meeting thoroughly chastened. He rushed over to his old friends in Congress only to find out they backed Obama. He careened over to his friends at AIPAC and other Jewish organizations only to find that they still supported Obama. It was surprising that Netanyahu could make it back to Israel on his own.

Netanyahu is doing his best to salvage the situation and buy for time. That’s why he is agreeing to a six month freeze in exchange for US approval of subsequent building within the construction line and that ain’t much. Maybe he will get the permission to build the 2500 units mentioned above.

Nevertheless he is opposed by key Cabinet Ministers. According to YNET NEWS which reported the last meeting between Mitchell and Barak as a “Huge Flop“.

Ministers Moshe Yaalon, Benny Begin and Avigdor Lieberman have tried to obstruct Barak’s attempts at reaching a compromise with the US, which demands a complete halt to all settlement construction.

Lieberman recently advised why Barak is negotiating on the settlements and not he, the Foreign Minister. To my mind his reason is not convincing. It may well have been that he was persona non grata in Washington.

My informant in the Knesset, suggested that the 300,000 Israelis living in Judea and Samaria should start massive building there in order to frustrate any compromise that Netanyahu might make. He suggested that the government of Israel would be powerless to stop it. He also wanted to mobilize what friends Israel had left in America.

We both shared the view that Israel has a bad image on the settlements because Isael never demands the right to build as a matter of right. Instead she begs for allowances.

He viewed the situation as really serious and supported Netanyahu’s attempts to buy time.

Posted by Ted Belman @ 6:20 pm |

43 Comments

I suspected as much when I hear of the many meetings the big wigs have been having. Precisly the point when I advocated that a clean break be made; however, before that, Israel must start building factories in the Negev to produce munitions, armor, aircraft, strategic systems and everything else to make Israel self sustaining.

Many armaments can be bought elsewhere, Russia, France, Germany, Sweden, etc. Ted is correct, massive building must be started in Judea and Samaria. Time is the important factor. Munitions, for the time being can be made and bought from India. They must prepare and fire into orbit, a GPS satelite ASAP. The 3 billion in aid can be handled by refusing intelligence and naval bases for US military.

It can be very tough for Israel, but I believe that she can handle it. Israel gives the US more than the other way around. It may drive Israel into the Russian camp, but I hope not.

Comment by Ed D — July 8, 2009 @ 8:26 pm

Ted, what’s your source in listing the 9 Obama tools of persuasion?

I have no doubt Obama threatened Netanyahu.

I did write as you know to an Israeli MK who confessed he too did not know what specific threats Obama made to Netanyahu, but he stated Netanyahu was frightened.

I do think it important to dig out that information. The probability is high that the threats Obama made were in the nature of threats of an enemy rather then a friend. I believe that if such scurrilous threats were made known, the 80% of American Jews who voted for Obama would turn their back on him and AIPAC would have to reverse their support of Obama.

I am quite sure that at these high level meetings there is a gentleman’s agreement not to reveal exactly what was said.

In this case, Netanyahu owes a duty to his nation to reveal the truth about what threats Obama made.

Comment by Bill Narvey — July 8, 2009 @ 10:03 pm

Israeli governments over the years have been very short-sighted in not developing a domestic arms building industry, fighter jets and so forth. Israel has rendered itself powerless through its over dependence on American military hardware. Why wasn’t its leaders able to anticipate that there would come a day when they would face a hostile US administration, especially after Carter? As for obama, he is the greatest danger to not only Israel, but America itself and the entire free world. And he is the best thing to come along for the world’s dictators, tyrants and islamic jihadist terrorists. America, we must recify our mistake and remove this scoundrel from office.

Comment by Laura — July 8, 2009 @ 10:14 pm

Laura I can’t agree with you more.

Barak Hussein Obama is making Jimmy Carter look like very good.

Thats how bad it is.

Comment by rongrand — July 8, 2009 @ 11:08 pm

Nahum/Yamit82

Where is Yamit82?

I trust he is okay. Maybe on vacation and the Mrs. made him leave his laptop at home.

Hurry back.

Comment by rongrand — July 9, 2009 @ 12:11 am

Jack G writes

In spite of the Obama putting his cards on the table….BiBi should not acquiesce to his demands… our history tells us we have outlived bigger fishes…reference our Jewish friends who are on the other sides …well that is where their bread his buttered….

I repeat…stand tall and don’t give in…irrespective of the consequences

Comment by Ted Belman — July 9, 2009 @ 4:24 am

Terrifying.

This is the ltr I wrote to those who voted for this pernicious disease:

This is the man you voted for.

I think you lost credibility when you told me you had voted for this mountebank who hates the US.

Don’t ask us to forgive you for hating the GOP so much you would betray your people, your Israel and your own country. That is no excuse. Bad as McC was, he would never have destroyed banking, autos, manufacturing, private industry, small capital, the currency and illegal immigration in the face of superior advice from people who don’t hate the coutnry and want it impoverished. You can’t say you did not know what an utter f*ck this guy was/is, with his radical and hateful agenda and dishonest ‘friends,’ his suspect upbringing, education and associations, his jailed pals, his anti-Semite pals, his Saudi buds, his two ghosted books that say how much he sides with the po’ sufferin’ ”palestinian” arabs.

Whatever were you thinking to let such a pissant cretin into the ability to destroy our country? And one thing you can say about him: His effort to destroy us is working like a charm. A few more months, and an email like this will probably be banned, no more Wall St., Israel will be invaded, unemployment will be well into the double digits, and the economy of the world will be irretrievably in the hands of those who detest us and want us all dead. (Oops: too late.)

I know. You were not alone. 78% of other Jewish [noun/adjective] also bought the bs. Now we are all suffering for the hopefuls who pulled that fateful and disastrous lever.

Comment by Ted Belman — July 9, 2009 @ 4:30 am

Caroline G;ick covered this pressure here.

“Since the Netanyahu government took office three months ago, the Obama administration has placed inordinate pressure on Jerusalem in a bid to coerce it into making massive concessions to the Palestinians. These concessions are demanded not for peace, but simply for the sake of placing pressure on Israel. Obama wishes to pressure Israel to show his good intentions to the Arabs and Iran.

“To date, Obama’s loudest demand has been to officially prohibit all Jewish construction in Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria. Although the demand is intrinsically bigoted, illegal and immoral, and although the consequences of the expulsion of all Jews from Gaza in 2005 show that Israeli land giveaways and ethnic cleansing bring war not peace, the Netanyahu government has opted not to get into an open confrontation with the administration on the issue.

“Instead, Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu and his government have sought to treat Obama’s offensive as a routine disagreement between otherwise close allies. Rather than defending the principles of Jewish national, legal and human rights and the country’s right to security, Netanyahu has sought to reach an accommodation with Obama by reducing the discussion to a conversation about the inevitable natural growth of Jewish communities due to expanding families.

“But what Obama’s slavish devotion to his radical world view shows is that Netanyahu’s decision to seek an accommodation is not simply an exercise in futility, it is a recipe for disaster. Obama and his advisers…are looking to fight because they believe that the US is best served by fighting with its allies - particularly with Israel. Any concession Netanyahu makes will just form the basis for the next round of demands.

“Far from seeking an agreement with Obama, Netanyahu should realize that given the president’s ideological rigidity, there is no agreement to be had…”

Comment by Ted Belman — July 9, 2009 @ 4:43 am

Arlene Kushner puts it this way.

Repeatedly, press reports indicate that there are two positions within the government with regard to standing strong against Obama. Those who would put up a fight include Ya’alon, Begin, and Lieberman. Those who are seeking “compromises” with the US are, of course, Barak, who is the voice of Labor inside the government, and Dan Meridor, who is to the left within Likud. And then, Netanyahu. who is always linked with these two.

Thus do we have the babble about how the bonds between Israel and America are eternal and unbreakable. And thus is it Barak who is doing the major negotiating on the settlement freeze issue.

Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman just gave an “interesting” reason as to why he couldn’t do that negotiating. As he lives in Nokdim — a community that is part of Gush Etzion, near Tekoa, in Judea — he explained that he might be accused of having a conflict of interest. Well, I don’t buy it: he lives in Nokdim because he has a certain philosophy in terms of the right of our people to live in Judea and Samaria, and there’s no reason why that philosophy shouldn’t be brought to bear in negotiations. Barak also has a vested interest that could be called a conflict of interest — he represents a party that doesn’t adhere to this philosophy. In fact, he’s willing to do a “temporary freeze” on settlement construction. If not Lieberman, why not Strategic Minister Ya’alon, who lives in Maccabim-Reut (Modiin), inside the Green Line?

Why not? Because Netanyahu is giving substantial weight to the left-wing member of his coalition.

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Barak’s latest meeting with Mitchell was held in London two days ago, and it wasn’t pretty. It was said that “progress” was made on the issue of freezing settlements. Barak assured Mitchell that we would evacuate 23 “illegal outposts” within weeks or months, not years. As one senior minister, who preferred to remain anonymous, told YNet: Barak made this offer “in exchange for nothing.”

Where is Netanyahu’s principle of reciprocity?

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This question of reciprocity is significant in several contexts. And I want to back up for a minute and look at Netanyahu’s own words as he began his position at the helm of the new government. “We are not living in normal times,” he told us. We are confronting “extraordinary dangers” and he must consider this as he makes his decisions, for it is his job as prime minister to keep us safe.

The obvious implication of this was that in return for certain concessions to Obama we would find ourselves in a better place with regard to attacking Iran. What we would get wasn’t clear, but apparently there would be some quid pro quo: Approval to fly over Iraq? Some bunker busters we sought?

After his Bar Ilan speech, last month, when he uttered the words “Palestinian state,” I said I was not yet ready to second guess him. And Caroline Glick at that point expressed a similar feeling, saying, “…If his speech succeeded in blunting US pressure on Israel - even temporarily - on the Palestinian front, and… Netanyahu has gained the opportunity to act on the Iranian front…”

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Well, this week Netanyahu gave Obama that phrase he so much coveted”: “two states living side by side.” It was like a punch in the solar plexus, and what makes it worse is that there is no evidence of anything forthcoming from the US.

Obama had his chance. While he was in Russia yesterday, journalists queried him about Biden’s remark that Israel was a sovereign nation and can decide for itself about attacking Iran. His answer made headlines: The US has “absolutely not” given Israel the green light to attack Iran.

“We have said directly to the Israelis that it is important to try and resolve this in an international setting in a way that does not create a major conflict in the Middle East…[it is] very important that I’m as clear as I can be…”

So much for that. The Washington Times reported yesterday that Netanyahu has pointedly not asked the White House for assistance in a possible attack on Iran, or for permission [WHY would we need "permission"?] since it was feared that the US would say no.

In fact, National Security Advisor Uzi Arad is of the opinion that Biden’s comment about our being a sovereign country that can make its own decisions was not directed at Jerusalem at all, but at Teheran. This, says, Arad, was to distinguish the US from Israel and make it clear to the Iranians that the US would have no part in whatever Israel might decide to do.

And so, as there seems to be no quid pro quo after all, there also seems no reason to cut Netanyahu slack with regard to concessions to Obama he is inclined to make. I suppose one might make the case that Netanyahu at one time thought, or hoped, there would be a quid pro quo, because Obama had made a link between handling Iran and progress on the “peace process.” But now he has to have been disabused of this — now he certainly must understand how obstinate and devious Obama truly is.

Comment by Ted Belman — July 9, 2009 @ 4:47 am

It certainly does not sound good, if you are essentially correct, and that would seem to be true.

And still, American Jews only LOVE Obama.

Israel and World Jewry are in real trouble, but most still have not heard the news…

Frightening!

Comment by Ted Belman — July 9, 2009 @ 4:51 am

Bill
Kushner and Glick have also reported on the pressure. My source didn’t get into specifics, I don’t know if he knows, but he did mention the GPS one and the ammunition one. I made the list from my imagination.

Comment by Ted Belman — July 9, 2009 @ 5:07 am

Israel needs to be encouraged to call Obama’s bluff. It is likely that the US will not allow GPS use whether Israel folds or stands tall. You see how France and the US gave up Israel’s intelligence in Lebanon.

That was surely the work of the CIA, French and probably British intelligence. UN support for Palestinian demands by the US will also happen anyway. Failure to allow Israel resupply or use of prepositioned ammunition will backfire badly on Obama since it will leave Israel with only the nuclear option to survive. He will not want to do that.

Rather in a crisis, he will promise everything, but send it by slow boat to China. He can beat Israel only so much until he is seen as a bully, not something he wants in his re-election campaign. The real crunch will come when and if he is re-elected in 2012 and has nothing to lose by pressing Israel. By then, though, he probably will not have control of the Congress. A lot to worry about, but nothing to give up hope for.

Comment by Ted Belman — July 9, 2009 @ 6:21 am

Israel needs to be encouraged to call Obama’s bluff.

That is for sure.

Listen contrary to what some believe, Barak Hussein Obama has more on his plate then he can handle and his popularity is moving down the scale.

Now if you can get the American Jewish organizations to put pressure on Obama and his administration to support Israel, now is the time.

Someone has to rally the American Jews.

I myself would like to see Caroline Glick on a speaking tour in the US. I believe she could do it.

She could be the Sarah Palin of Israel.

Comment by rongrand — July 9, 2009 @ 12:34 pm

I gotta say I am disappointed.
I am by no means a blind supporter of Bibi. I never voted Likud - until the last election. I was always more to the right.
But I found nothing to attract my vote on the right this time, and more to distance it. And I found Bibi to be stronger than before, and attracting a lot of interest from serious right-wingers who had previously been farther to his right. And I included myself in that list.

Bibi is THE ONLY person on Israel’s leadership front who can handle this situation. And I think he is doing well.

He managed to get Israel’s worst enemy in the White House to concentrate all his attention on whether a few Jewish women on some hilltop were allowed to have children - and then focus both Israeli and foreign media and commentators on the absurdity of that position - while keeping all of the more major issues safely on the back burner. He is not negotiating with the Pals (Olmert did, and Livni would have reached agreement by now on a wholesale giveaway) and the abandonment of Judea and Samaria to terrorists is no closer than it was 6 months ago. Bibi made a very strong speech basically taking all the major issues off the table - no Palestinian will ever agree to even one of Bibi’s red lines - and reminding the world of Israel’s claim to Judea and Samaria (there really is such a thing!). Since that speech, the only issue anyone is talking about is construction in current communities, and the discussion in Israel has remained for the most part on the level of being upset with Obama for having the nerve to demand that we stop building houses for large families. The longer Israel remains convinced that Obama is challenging us, the longer Israel’s leaders will maintain a strong position against. When Israelis are challenged, they don’t back down.

It is in Netanyahu’s interests to keep the construction issue on a slow burn because that will lead Israelis to coalesce around his policies.

AND NO ONE ON ISRAEL’S RIGHT GETS IT. They are fighting for the trees, but losing the forest - just like they have done for many years in the past. Netanyahu is prepared to allow for a few leaves to be plucked, but he is saving the forest.

I also don’t think that Congress or the Senate would allow many (or any) of these “threats” to be used against Israel. There would be too much opposition threatening too many seats, and Obama wouldn’t be able to push it through.

Comment by Ted Belman — July 9, 2009 @ 7:04 pm

I also don’t think that Congress or the Senate would allow many (or any) of these “threats” to be used against Israel. There would be too much opposition threatening too many seats, and Obama wouldn’t be able to push it through.

Ask yourself a simple question? Do you think that Obama would proceed as he has without the full compliance of the majority of Congress or Senate?

What is quite evident is that Obama has the full backing of the power centres of America, the E.U. and all of Africa and Asia in his pursuit of a mid-east settlement. He will do
whatever it takes to reach his goal.

Comment by h peskin — July 9, 2009 @ 7:55 pm

Ed d:Many armaments can be bought elsewhere, Russia, France, Germany, Sweden, etc. Ted is correct, massive building must be started in Judea and Samaria. Time is the important factor. Munitions, for the time being can be made and bought from India. They must prepare and fire into orbit, a GPS satelite ASAP. The 3 billion in aid can be handled by refusing intelligence and naval bases for US military.

What is stated above is in the realm of phantasy fiction. A marvelous concoction of wishful dreaming mixed in with a generous portion of bull shit served up by that deluxe chef, Yamit, the master creator of hot air.

Comment by h peskin — July 9, 2009 @ 8:08 pm

What is stated above is in the realm of phantasy fiction. A marvelous concoction of wishful dreaming mixed in with a generous portion of bull shit served up by that deluxe chef, Yamit, the master creator of hot air.

OK big mouth state what are fantasy,fiction, wishful dreaming and bull shit? You better make it good or I will crucify in public.

Comment by yamit82 — July 9, 2009 @ 9:59 pm

Ask yourself a simple question? Do you think that Obama would proceed as he has without the full compliance of the majority of Congress or Senate?

yes, but it hasn’t been tested yet.

Comment by yamit82 — July 9, 2009 @ 10:04 pm

Yamit:yes, but it hasn’t been tested yet.

a high velocity projectile might change the course of history , not that I am advocating such a scenario but wouldn’t be overly saddened by it either. In 6 months to a year my sentiments might become a majority opinion if he he keeps on his present tracks.
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response
Yes you are advocating it-you are fooling no one with your sly act of coyness. Another of your examples of incitement,something you do constantly.

Comment by h peskin — July 9, 2009 @ 11:31 pm

Peskin you sorry ass troll, go stuff it!! Is that also incitement? you pathetic mutant. Peskin I’ll bet you were the biggest snitch and brown noser mamas boy all through you school years. I’ll also bet you got your ass kicked constantly by those you snitched on. Funny how after all those years you haven’t changed a bit. P A T H E T I C

Comment by yamit82 — July 10, 2009 @ 12:15 am

Yamit:

I can say this without fear of contradiction.

You were always a dumb puck!

You are now a dumb puck!

You will always be a dumb puck!

And this is more certain than death and taxes.

Comment by h peskin — July 10, 2009 @ 2:38 am

Israel - America’s most trustworthy and LOYAL ally is treated as an enemy to be destroyed. Our enemies, who desire to destroy America, are treated as friends and allies. The U.S. administration/Obama treats Israel with the utmost contempt, acting as if America has CONQUERED Israel and Israel must submit to every demand America makes. I don’t know what terrible threats the U.S. has made to Netanyahu, but Israel can only survive by NOT complying with hostile American demands which include a Muslim TERROR State that will reduce Israel at mid-section to 9 miles wide INDEFENSIBLE, Auschwitz borders.

Comment by Linda Rivera — July 10, 2009 @ 5:00 am

After making comment 22, I have tried over and over again to Logout, but I am unable to logout! What am I supposed to do?

Comment by Linda Rivera — July 10, 2009 @ 5:07 am

After making comment 22, I have tried over and over again to Logout, but I am unable to logout! What am I supposed to do?

Comment by Linda Rivera — July 10, 2009 @ 5:07 am

I guess someone’s trying to tell you there is no way out, Linda.

Comment by Max — July 10, 2009 @ 11:33 am

Israel - America’s most trustworthy and LOYAL ally is treated as an enemy to be destroyed. Our enemies, who desire to destroy America, are treated as friends and allies. The U.S. administration/Obama treats Israel with the utmost contempt, acting as if America has CONQUERED Israel and Israel must submit to every demand America makes. I don’t know what terrible threats the U.S. has made to Netanyahu, but Israel can only survive by NOT complying with hostile American demands which include a Muslim TERROR State that will reduce Israel at mid-section to 9 miles wide INDEFENSIBLE, Auschwitz borders.

Comment by Linda Rivera — July 10, 2009 @ 5:00 am

Message seems obvious: Better to be Americas enemy than her friend and ally!

Modern take on the Mouse that Roared might be of interest?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Or9C-gt4TpA

Comment by yamit82 — July 10, 2009 @ 12:03 pm

I can say this without fear of contradiction.

You were always a dumb puck!

You are now a dumb puck!

You will always be a dumb puck!

And this is more certain than death and taxes.

Well peskin; I may be a dumb puck whatever that means but tomorrow I hope to be a smart puck whatever that means. You however will still be P A T H E T I C! certain as death and taxes? death is for certain, hopefully in my case delayed as long as possible but taxes? Who pays taxes these days?

Comment by yamit82 — July 10, 2009 @ 12:09 pm

Pesekin and Yamit you need to get out once in a while, stretch your legs, breathe some fresh air.
It couldn’t hurt.

Comment by Max — July 10, 2009 @ 1:03 pm

Max it’s over a hundred degrees outside and the air is heavy with fine dust: I prefer the comfort of indoor A/C. Thanks for the thought maybe Peskin will take your advice and then forget the way back home.

Comment by yamit82 — July 10, 2009 @ 2:00 pm

Hot weather, cold weather, it’s all better for you than an artifical environment, at least once in awhile. Get out and enjoy the world while there still is one. Wear a dust mask.

Comment by Max — July 10, 2009 @ 2:49 pm

I see no need max of becoming masochistic just to prove to someone else that world exists temporarily or otherwise. I’ve been there and done that many times over. Comon over Max when the end comes this will be the safest place. Canada- America TOAST! Dust isn’t all that bad no need for masks but its heavy air day. Nights are nice sometimes even a cool breeze.

Comment by yamit82 — July 10, 2009 @ 3:18 pm

Yamit, sounds like a place I would like very much.

I am not fond of the cold. When I was a yongster I didn’t want to go out and play in the snow. Too cold.

When I was a young G.I. I spent 3 yrs in Northern Main. God, I use to ask, I know I was a bad boy, but was I that bad to get this? Then I heard the words, “Offer the suffering up for the poor souls in purgatory”.
All I know, if thats true then I should have a lot of pay back comming and I am going to need it.

Watching FOX News and they are covering the Palestinians protesting in the West Bank. Send them to Jordan.

Comment by rongrand — July 10, 2009 @ 3:27 pm

Ron it’s a bloody desert but it’s my desert if you know what I mean?

Comment by yamit82 — July 10, 2009 @ 3:36 pm

Yamit, I forgot to ask

Please tell me there are no snakes.

Comment by rongrand — July 10, 2009 @ 3:59 pm

THERE ARE NO SNAKES!

well I lied there are snakes mostly very deadly vipers of different varieties. I have lots of cats which keep them down as well as rodents and other crawling insects. Last year had a resident porcupine a baby version found him in the house but moved him to the yard hung around for a few days and disappeared.

Fun in the desert.

Comment by yamit82 — July 10, 2009 @ 7:53 pm

deadly vipers of different varieties

Bad news, not crazy about these critters.

Now you need to talk to someone in government and have them import the mongoose and if you have them, you need more. They will get rid of the snakes.

They may even help to rid the area of pals.

Comment by rongrand — July 10, 2009 @ 9:40 pm

Ron:

Bad news, not crazy about these critters.

Now you need to talk to someone in government and have them import the mongoose and if you have them, you need more. They will get rid of the snakes.

They may even help to rid the area of pals.

The big qusetion we have is

HOW DO WE GETB RID OF YOU! you came for a supposed short visit and have decided to move in permanently. Enuff- Isn’t there some church service that you have to attend?

Comment by h peskin — July 11, 2009 @ 4:15 am

Is it a dry desert?
Dry or Humid, I love the heat. Deserts have a lot of life.
There is a lot more to nature than just temperature, it’s not about proving the world exists, its about experiencing it. It’s healthy for you.
Palestinians on the other hand are not healthy for anybody, including themselves.

Why don’t you invite Peskin over for a week or so? He can walk around and experience the price of freedom. Teach him to duck and dive.

I saw Jimmy Carter on a rerun of CBC “The Hour” , the other night. What a deceiver!
He talked about the Arab countries versus Israel as if they were two equal entities of the same kind of thing that wanted the same kinds of things.
He never once used the word “terrorist” nor mentioned the little fact that Islamic Extremists with and agenda of exterminating Israel are in charge of various Arab populations and Governments.

He said he had an agreement in which all the Arab countries were willing to recognize the existence of Israel…which is an astonishment to me! I suppose that is the same agreement that stipulates Israel must first be in ashes.
He also said “It’s “such a pity” that a country (meaning Israel) dominates the other.. Is Gaza a country? Anyway that’s like saying its such a pity Israel is still alive. And in his presentation, Iran and the Iranian funding of Hamas and Hezbollah didn’t exist.

Lies,obfuscation, propaganda and deceit.
Does this old fool really think he is a harbinger of Peace? or is he just hoping to have on his epitaph “I’m the guy that really stuck it to the Jews”.

Comment by Max — July 11, 2009 @ 6:46 am

HOW DO WE GETB RID OF YOU! you came for a supposed short visit and have decided to move in permanently. Enuff- Isn’t there some church service that you have to attend?

Since you such an advocate of the majority must always be right; I have yet to read here any disagreeable comment of ron from anyone but you Peskin the list is too long to cite. Therefore using just this once your personal philosophy of of always going with majority opinion why not take your own advice? Like an old soldier just fade away. Go shoo, scram, get lost!! I hear they are having a Gay Parade in Montreal and Toronto go be happy with your pals and friends.

Comment by yamit82 — July 11, 2009 @ 10:50 am

Is it a dry desert?
Dry or Humid, I love the heat. Deserts have a lot of life.
There is a lot more to nature than just temperature, it’s not about proving the world exists, its about experiencing it. It’s healthy for you.
Palestinians on the other hand are not healthy for anybody, including themselves.

Deserts by their nature and location are usually dry unless hugging the coastline. Even then they tend to be dry but more humid than further inland. Ours is dry usually between 20-30% humidity. Winters are cold and nights very cold differences between mid day and midnight can be as much as 30-40 degrees F. in summer and about half in winter. We even get snow here on occasion especially in elevated topography. Max I Have at one time or another walked and trekked the length and breadth of Israel including all of Golan S. Lebanon, Gaza, the West Bank and a Lot of the Sinai. Try it with a Bible as a guide sometime: Gives you some deeper perspective on things.

Peskin? You Canadians are stuck with his curse. We have enough home grown Peskins we would like to rid ourselves of. Sorry bad idea, don’t need him or want him. I admit we are as a nation not very normal but not that abnormal.

Comment by yamit82 — July 11, 2009 @ 11:03 am

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