Z Street is launched
by Jerry Gordon, The Iconoclast
Two stalwart bi-coastal friends of Israel, Lori Lowenthal Marcus of Philadelphia and Allyson Rowen Taylor of Los Angeles, have launched a new Zionist advocacy organization: Z STREET.
Co-Chair Marcus describes the essence of the new organization, “No more appeasement, no more negotiating with terrorists, no more enabling cowards who fear offending more than they fear another Holocaust.”
Operating under the aegis of Taylor’s non-profit organization “People Against Hate Speech,” Z STREET has obtained permits for a huge rally in front of the White House on October 27th - the same week that the rabidly anti-Zionist J Street holds its first annual meeting in the nation’s capital.
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Marcus explains, “the presence of Z STREET will ensure that the true Zionist voice is heard: that we will not stand by quietly as apartheid is imposed on Jews in the Israeli territories, and we will not stand by quietly as the Iranians continue racing madly towards obtaining weapons to wipe whole peoples off the globe while politicians send polite letters and invitations to parties.”
“This grass roots effort will compete for media attention with the slick packaging of several well-funded anti-Zionist organizations,” said Co-Chair Taylor, “and unless those of us who are committed to maintaining a strong, unified Jewish State of Israel stand up and speak out together, the weak will continue to appear strong and the strong will continue to appear weak.”
There are many who ignore global threats to Israel’s existence, including the threatened dismemberment of Israel by her domestic and foreign enemies; Z STREET will become a leading-edge organization for educating and informing all Americans about the need for, and the facts that support, the Zionist mandate.
For more information about the organization, including how to become a member, go to the brand new Z STREET blog at http://ziostreet.wordpress.com. See its charter, below.
- Z STREET CHARTER
Z STREET is an organization of Zionists who join together at this time of great danger to the Jewish State of Israel and, increasingly, to world Jewry.
I. Z STREET proudly asserts the right of the Jewish people to a state.
II. Z STREET proudly reclaims the words “Zionist” and “Jewish State” as ones to wear with pride, in direct opposition to their recent branding as shameful or impolite terms.
III. Z STREET maintains that Jews have the right to live anywhere in the world, including, and especially, within greater Israel.
IV. Z STREET is dedicated to maintaining and strengthening the Jewish State of Israel in the firm belief that there can be no compromises or agreements with, and no concessions to, any Terrorist Entity or any individual Terrorists.
V. Z STREET is dedicated to rejecting and refuting the condemnation of any actions taken by Israel which are not similarly condemned when taken by any other individuals or political entities.
VI. Z STREET is dedicated to constantly and consistently declaring and affirming the facts which fully support the legal, moral and historical right of the Jewish State to exist in peace and security without physical or verbal assault against its sovereignty or legitimacy. This necessarily entails adamantly opposing the dismantling of and/or handing over territory to any other entity or entities.
VII. Z STREET is dedicated to constantly and consistently declaring and affirming the facts that reveal the fallacious narratives of Terrorist Entities, Terrorists, and their supporters undermining the legal, moral and historical right of the Jewish State to exist in peace and security without physical or verbal assault against its sovereignty or legitimacy.
VIII. Z STREET insists that terrorist or other threats against Israel be unequivocally condemned, and that those members of the world community failing to actively condemn those threats also be branded as active or passive supporters of a second genocide against the Jewish people.
IX. Z STREET declares that Israel’s respect for women’s, religious and other minorities’ rights, provides a welcome beacon – particularly in the Middle East – to be acknowledged and respected by all people of good will.
X. Z STREET recognizes the existence of 22 officially Muslim countries and 19 Christian countries, whose status the world does not challenge, while only Israel, the Jewish State, is demonized for asserting its legitimate right to be a religion-affiliated State, and which religion, Judaism, is the world’s oldest monotheistic faith.
XI. Z STREET recognizes the value of other Zionist organizations whose activities include lobbying, producing publications, the sponsorship of scholars and scholarship centers, honoring generous donors and/or other important programs. Z STREET is not intended to supersede those other Zionist organizations. Z STREET is intended to serve as an alternative to many mainstream and other Jewish organizations that, to meet donors’ requirements or for ideological reasons, cannot affirm the principles set out in the Z STREET Charter.
XII. Z STREET has no need to, and will not negotiate with, nor seek to gain the approval from, any governments, Israeli or Diaspora organizations, or individuals supporting the diminution or weakening of Israel either because of ideological conviction, animosity towards a strong, Jewish State, cowardice, or the misguided belief that compromise with Terrorist Entities can lead to peace in the Middle East or global peace.
XIII. Z STREET will serve as an educational force that will FIGHT WITH FACTS. Z STREET undergirds its positions with facts and provides that essential ingredient to exponentially increasing the ranks its membership ranks.
XIV. Z STREET is a new, entirely volunteer organization for those who affirm the foregoing and dedicate themselves to upholding and ensuring respect for these principles. Its primary purpose of which is to provide a proud banner for Zionists behind which to rally.
How long until the MSM starts referring to Z-Street as hardline, far right-wing, ultranationalist, anti-peace, pro-settler and pro-occupation, with the implicit message to its readers that this is an extremist group to be weary of…
Comment by 4infidels — July 13, 2009 @ 10:11 pm
I welcome Z Street. It is long overdue and, pray to G-d that it really become to true representative of the Jews in America.
Comment by Ed D — July 13, 2009 @ 11:23 pm
Ed D, I am with you.
Just maybe they heard our crys and decided to take action.
Likewise my prayers are with them.
They could be just what the doctor ordered.
I would hope they would have Caroline Glick speak at some of the meeting and/or rallies.
Wake up American Jews Z Street is the place to be so get on board.
Comment by rongrand — July 14, 2009 @ 12:38 am
That would be excellent. I think we should UNAPOLOGETICALLY promote this media definition of us, instead of denying and grovelling and pleading for people to believe how nice we are. Why? Because it’s better for us to have certain types of people fear us than have them mock us or pretend to love us, or worse. Very few people love Jews; at best they tolerate us.
To those who support and are truly friendly toward us, we should be wonderful friends. To the others, ruthless enemies if need be.
Comment by keelie — July 14, 2009 @ 4:39 am
That’s an interesting comment, keelie. I’ve gotten to know several ethnic groups in my lifetime — Poles, Germans, Slovenians, Swedes, Irish, Blacks (American and African), Mexicans, Jews, Vietnamese, Chinese, Koreans, Indians (both kinds) and more. I can’t say I “love” any group per se. Do you? Why would you expect anyone to love Jews or any ethnic group? I love people, quite apart from their ethnicity. I’m married to a Swedish & English woman, and have a Chinese son-in-law; but their race and origins don’t affect my love for them one way or another. I think my granddaughter is the most beautiful girl in the world. Do you think that’s because she’s Chinese?
Why is it, that Jews like you are always looking for people to love you because you’re Jewish; yet I don’t see Jews here or anywhere going out of their way to be “loveable”? If anything, I would say that the Jews are among the most thin-skinned people in the world: One can hardly correct their spelling without being called an “Anti-Semite”; yet swear words and insults fly freely from them towards every other ethnic group!
I don’t know why God looked favorably on the Jewish people; but of course, I honor his decision. If that’s something you call “at best, tolerance”, then you ought to “at least” accept it for the special favor it is. Jews are strangers to me; and that’s largely their own doing, because they tend to huddle together in big cities that I don’t care to live in. Hopefully, the ones who feel “unloved” and “unappreciated” by folks like me, will soon find residence in a country where they find they fit in. I really wish that place were Israel, the country God set aside for the children of Jacob; but unfortunately, I don’t think Jews who go there feel any more “loved” by their fellow Jew than they are loved by the likes of me over here.
Concerning “Z Street”, I don’t have high hopes for it. A few years ago, I used to listen to the Kahanist English-language website. At first, it was pleasant to hear some fellows who were unashamedly pro-Israel, who seemed to have a sense of humor to boot. After not too many broadcasts, though, I began feeling embarrassed about having my family overhear what I was listening to, because the “humor” of those men tended to be jokes at the expense of others, particularly Blacks and Mexicans. I expect that “Z Street” will draw the same calibre of people.
God bless and keep you and yours.
Comment by BlandOatmeal — July 14, 2009 @ 3:29 pm
Bland, your stereotyping all Jews as being unloveable and thin skinned is based at best on some limited contact with a few Jews. It likely is based not even on that but a few comments you have read over the years by some Jews who might qualify as describe.
Your being satisfied with your irrational stereotypical image of a Jew might serve your own particular needs in your own particular world. As soon as you write in a public forum on some issue premised on your irrational stereotypical image of Jews, your irrationality is on display for all to see.
You make the point that:
Your statement is a reflection of your own sterotypical image of Jews, which is as distant from reality as being is from nothingness, to take those words from the title of one of Jean Paul Sartre’s novels.
Bland, if you expect anyone to take you seriously, I urge you to step through the door from your own self delusion to the reality the vast majority of the rest of us function in.
Comment by Bill Narvey — July 14, 2009 @ 6:48 pm
Bland, you have any other group in mind?
Bland, you haven’t been paying attention, Yamit has often gone out of his way to be loveable.
Bland, after reading some of your comments I am not surprised and you should not be either.
Comment by rongrand — July 14, 2009 @ 7:13 pm
Bland, I don’t know you and, right up front, I don’t like you. Personally, I have no clue as to why you comment on the website. I’m sure that if you went to Christians who like themselves too much.com, you can find happiness.
Comment by Ed D — July 14, 2009 @ 10:02 pm
Bland,
You really have to read things in context. If you read it with a little subtlety, you’ll get the meaning of what I said. Personally, I don’t give a damn what people think of me either as a person or as a Jew. People - you and everyone else - do not define me in either case. I define myself.
Of course we (everyone in the world that is) use the word “love” far too freely; perhaps the word “like,” or even “respect” would be better. In any case what I said above applies just as much to these words.
As for this:
Could it be that Jews are fundamentally insecure because of the continuous Jew-hatred throughout the centuries? My cure for that, as I alluded to, is to be at worst, feared, because fear generates a type of respect. To do this, we - particularly Ashkenazi (Jews of Eastern European origin) - ave to rid ourselves of the idea that if people like us they won’t massacre us. My take on this is that if people fear us they won’t massacre us.
That’s why I said all of what I said above; not just the part you cherry-picked. We should stop trying to be liked and encourage people who hate us to think of us as violent and right-wing. I personally have no problem with that.
Comment by keelie — July 15, 2009 @ 1:00 am
Bill, you’re the sort of person I had in mind with my “thin skinned” remark. Do you honestly think that non-Jews around the world have nothing better to do than to form stereotypes of Jews? Get a life!
Comment by BlandOatmeal — July 15, 2009 @ 3:12 am
Ron, you’re funny. Yamit and I have been having a sort of non-relationship for a few years now. Every now and then, either he or I says something sort of nice to the other. I wouldn’t call that “loving”, especially; but it’s at least sort of interesting. He regularly insults Americans, though, in such a way that if he did the same to Jews, he might get called before a judge. I realize that this is merely self-guilt, for his actually BEING an American; but that’s another story. I suppose you call his describing me as a “dirt bag”, and falsely accusing me of eating treif food as “loving” gestures; or that the likes of Laura using words that a hooker would be loath to use, are acts of “love”.
Why do you apologize for these folks? They’re the biggest lot of hypocrites I’ve ever seen. They criticize others to no end, for exactly the same things they themselves do; then they love the attention they get for it all, whether good or bad, and use the opportunity the attention affords them to be even more obnoxious. They’re a curiosity, something of a comedy routine. That’s not too bad — there are worse people in the world, like fanatical Arabs who want to kill you and eat you for dinner, like the citizens of Ramallah ate those two lost Jewish soldiers that time. I can tolerate Jewish bad manners; but I would be a useless liar if I said they weren’t the way they are.
Comment by BlandOatmeal — July 15, 2009 @ 3:24 am
Thanks for the note Ed. I’m sure you would agree, that Christian websites are as boring as hell. That ought to give you a clue, as to why I comment here. I also like seeing people say nice things about Israel, which peope do here some of the time.
Comment by BlandOatmeal — July 15, 2009 @ 3:26 am
I honestly don’t think so, keelie. Every people in the world has had to struggle with enemies for their survival; and some, like the Americans and — to a lesser extent, the Jews — are reviled all over the world as the root cause of humanity’s problems. I live with that sort of thing. I expect my people to be criticized and attacked continually, because we are a great people. That the Jews have become, as you say, “insecure” in response to the same sort of treatment, is a real shame.
Comment by BlandOatmeal — July 15, 2009 @ 3:31 am
Bland, sticks and stones…..as the saying goes.
Get a life Bland. I called you as I saw you and offered you the opportunity to get real. Whether you take that opportunity is up to you, but with your comment #10, it is clear you are unwilling or unable to let go of your stereotypical delusions about Jews.
I would invite you to get it on with me Bland, but frankly you are not worth the effort because reason and objectivity are beyond your ken.
Comment by Bill Narvey — July 15, 2009 @ 3:59 am
This is good news. There needs to be a true Zionist group to not only counter the anti-Zionist J-Street but to replace the increasingly counterproductive AIPAC.
Comment by Laura — July 15, 2009 @ 6:30 am
Considering that your postings here contain the usual Jewish stereotypes, and that all Western media: a) tells a fictitious version of Israeli history whereby Jewish ‘land thieves’ stole land from poor oppressed Arabs b) whines incessantly about those greedy Jews and ‘aid’ to Israel and c) slanders all Jews that defend Jews as rightwing ultranationalist hardline fascists, we can conclusively say yes. The gentiles have nothing better to do than stereotype Jews, lie about Jews, and create entire governing bodies devoted to slandering Jews and ensuring that zionism doesn’t filth up the Islamist bigot world.
You don’t seem to have a clue as to the US’s role in the world. Had you paid attention a few days ago, you’d have seen that the oppressed Persians don’t hate Israel at all. They wanted Israel to help them. They hate the US-allied Islamist nazi regime that oppresses them, which isn’t much different from the US allied KLA, or the US allied PLO gestapo.
Get a clue, or get lost.
Comment by jrob — July 15, 2009 @ 6:43 am
Here are some Jews that some of our commenters would like and agree with.
JTF Forum
General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: DownwithIslam on July 13, 2009, 06:30:34 PM
Title: Jewish kikes start a fast for the “victims” of Gaza.
Post by: DownwithIslam on July 13, 2009, 06:30:34 PM
These sick kikes have now started fasting for the poor muzzies in gaza. Look at all the female “rabbis” who signed. I hope every last one of the signatories croaks over.
http://www.fastforgaza.net/
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1246443798551&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
Title: Re: Jewish kikes start a fast for the “victims” of Gaza.
Post by: Rubystars on July 13, 2009, 07:21:15 PM
DWI the moderators talked about this a lot and the majority have always agreed that it’s best not to use the K word because of the potential for its abusive use by non-Jews and the impression it gives to those considering joining the movement. In this case it may be apt, but it’s upsetting for me even as a non-Jew to see the word thrown around so callously. Even Chaim decided that it didn’t help the movement for him to keep using it even though the cases he used it for actually applied.
Title: Re: Jewish kikes start a fast for the “victims” of Gaza.
Post by: muman613 on July 13, 2009, 08:38:59 PM
Shame on these lost souls. If only they had an ounce of Jewish soul in them they would realize how dumb they look to the real Jews of the world. During this time of the three weeks we should be working on re-establishing Israel and building the third Temple. These deformed Jews only do harm to those Jews who actually observe the religion.
I hope that Hashem shakes them up a bit so they realize that they are on the wrong path. Jews should take up causes of non-Jews once the Jews are secure in their home country. Before this these Jews are just being liberal idiots.
Title: Re: Jewish kikes start a fast for the “victims” of Gaza.
Post by: Yochai on July 13, 2009, 09:22:44 PM
Quote from: Rubystars on July 13, 2009, 07:21:15 PM
DWI the moderators talked about this a lot and the majority have always agreed that it’s best not to use the K word because of the potential for its abusive use by non-Jews and the impression it gives to those considering joining the movement. In this case it may be apt, but it’s upsetting for me even as a non-Jew to see the word thrown around so callously. Even Chaim decided that it didn’t help the movement for him to keep using it even though the cases he used it for actually applied.
I have to agree.
DWI, you are absolutely correct in your portrayal of these people using that word. Nevertheless, it does more damage than good, and just becuse something is true, does not mean it has to be said.
Then again, I cannot tell you not to use it, as you are 100% correct and it is wrong to force someone to stop speaking the truth, regardless of what it is.
Title: Re: Jewish kikes start a fast for the “victims” of Gaza.
Post by: Rubystars on July 13, 2009, 09:54:59 PM
It’s not my intention to stop the truth from being spoken. I’d just like to see it phrased a little differently.
Title: Re: Jewish kikes start a fast for the “victims” of Gaza.
Post by: Serb Avenger on July 13, 2009, 11:41:19 PM
Quote from: Rubystars on July 13, 2009, 07:21:15 PM
DWI the moderators talked about this a lot and the majority have always agreed that it’s best not to use the K word because of the potential for its abusive use by non-Jews and the impression it gives to those considering joining the movement. In this case it may be apt, but it’s upsetting for me even as a non-Jew to see the word thrown around so callously. Even Chaim decided that it didn’t help the movement for him to keep using it even though the cases he used it for actually applied.
I see your point but he is a Jew and I think it is different for him as a Jew to use it rather than me, a Gentile. Other than once or twice long ago, I have not used that word, because it is a vile anti-Semitic slur, but DownwithIslam, I think, has the prerogative to use it if he so chooses, and in this case, I think the people being referred to do merit the K-word.
Title: Re: Jewish kikes start a fast for the “victims” of Gaza.
Post by: Serb Avenger on July 14, 2009, 12:10:28 AM
Quote from: DownwithIslam on July 13, 2009, 06:30:34 PM
These sick kikes have now started fasting for the poor muzzies in gaza. Look at all the female “rabbis” who signed. I hope every last one of the signatories croaks over.
I agree. I just prayed right now that G-d would give these dykes ovarian cancer.
Title: Re: Jewish kikes start a fast for the “victims” of Gaza.
Post by: Rubystars on July 14, 2009, 04:04:36 AM
To some degreee it could lead to copying though, regardless of who originally posted it. I wouldn’t have said anything except this has been discussed a lot.
Title: Re: Jewish kikes start a fast for the “victims” of Gaza.
Post by: mord on July 14, 2009, 05:27:58 AM
It’s not really such a bad word i think it means circle or something it was used because Jews put a circle in place of their name on ellis island.Now about these swine i hope they drop dead from some electrolyte dysfunction.However 8i bet they’re stuffing their mouths like pigs when no one looking
Title: Re: Jewish kikes start a fast for the “victims” of Gaza.
Post by: Ron Ben Michael on July 14, 2009, 05:51:25 AM
I can’t believe those kikey goblins dare calling themeselves Jews >:(
Title: Re: Jewish kikes start a fast for the “victims” of Gaza.
Post by: Zelhar on July 14, 2009, 07:34:07 AM
I wish for these people to lose all their weight.
Title: Re: Jewish kikes start a fast for the “victims” of Gaza.
Post by: Ulli on July 14, 2009, 07:37:17 AM
I have noticed, that they justify their actions with Torah, Mishnah and Prophets (Jesaja).
Title: Re: Jewish kikes start a fast for the “victims” of Gaza.
Post by: Spectator on July 14, 2009, 08:02:31 AM
Quote from: Ulli on July 14, 2009, 07:37:17 AM
I have noticed, that they justify their actions with Torah, Mishnah and Prophets (Jesaja).
Yes, and this highly amplifies their sin. This is a desecration of G-d’s name.
Jewish tradition says about such people: “they act as Zimri and demand reward of Pinchas”
Title: Re: Jewish kikes start a fast for the “victims” of Gaza.
Post by: Lisa on July 14, 2009, 10:01:16 AM
I think it’s extremely accurate to call these so-called Jews the scum of the earth.
Title: Re: Jewish kikes start a fast for the “victims” of Gaza.
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on July 14, 2009, 11:20:53 AM
I hate these traitors and pray for their destruction every day.
What do you say we sabotage their petition with sign-in names of “Muslim terrorist” ‘thank you for helping my cause’ and “Stalin” ‘hope you all starve’ etc
The “Title” category leaves room for a whole message to be typed in.
Title: Re: Jewish kikes start a fast for the “victims” of Gaza.
Post by: republicandox on July 14, 2009, 12:51:41 PM
If the majority of Israelis are leftist Jews and agree with catering to the arab muslim terrorists ( palestinians, ) then they are the worst of traitors and G-d will surely smite them when the times comes.
How on earth did the leftists take over Israel?
Shalom - Dox
Title: Re: Jewish kikes start a fast for the “victims” of Gaza.
Post by: Kahane-Was-Right BT on July 14, 2009, 03:23:00 PM
Quote from: republicandox on July 14, 2009, 12:51:41 PM
If the majority of Israelis are leftist Jews and agree with catering to the arab muslim terrorists ( palestinians, ) then they are the worst of traitors and G-d will surely smite them when the times comes.
How on earth did the leftists take over Israel?
Shalom - Dox
It seems the majority just elected a rightwing government under Likud. I don’t think leftists are in the majority in Israel. I believe that is a myth perpetuated by the Labor party and media propagandists. The problem is that the “rightwing govt” does not act as rightwing as they promise to be and as the public perceives them to be. But make no mistake, the people responded to Olmert by electing what they see as the rightwing alternative.
Title: Re: Jewish kikes start a fast for the “victims” of Gaza.
Post by: Zelhar on July 14, 2009, 05:33:46 PM
Quote from: republicandox on July 14, 2009, 12:51:41 PM
If the majority of Israelis are leftist Jews and agree with catering to the arab muslim terrorists ( palestinians, ) then they are the worst of traitors and G-d will surely smite them when the times comes.
How on earth did the leftists take over Israel?
Shalom - Dox
Don’t be so quick to judge us, have mercy please.
Title: Re: Jewish kikes start a fast for the “victims” of Gaza.
Post by: Chad on July 14, 2009, 05:52:07 PM
Let them fast till they starve to death.
Title: Re: Jewish kikes start a fast for the “victims” of Gaza.
Post by: republicandox on July 14, 2009, 06:18:16 PM
Sorry Zelhar, I am aware there is a right wing in Israel. On the other hand I know the leftists are attempting to take over Israel and give half of it away to the palestinians. If you live in Israel you have my sympathies for the political turmoil going on in your Country between the left and right.
Shalom - Dox
Title: Re: Jewish kikes start a fast for the “victims” of Gaza.
Post by: Israelipatriot on July 14, 2009, 07:27:56 PM
They are a shame for the Jewish people. I hope they starve to death.
these responses were to this report in the Media:
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009
Subject: Rabbis who bear false witness against Israel: Protesting a Blockade of Gaza where there is no blockade:
David Bedein
Israel Resource News Agency
Center for Near East Policy Research Ltd
http://www.IsraelBehindTheNews.com
The PLO and Hamas web sites have worked over time in the last few days, proclaiming that Philadelphia Rabbis Arthur Waskow and Rabbi Shai Gluskin had organized a fast day this coming Thursday (see http://www. FastforGaza.net) to protest what Rabbis Waskow and Gluskin describe the Israeli “blockade” of Gaza, with claims that Israel is not allowing food and humanitarian supplies into Gaza.
The only fly in the ointment is that there is no Israeli “blockade” of Gaza.
What is going on is that Israel simply restricts munitions and building material into Gaza that could be used for the Gaza war effort against Israel.
Only two weeks ago, Palestinian and Israeli business people gathered for a meeting of the Israeli Palestinian Chamber of Commerce, with the report that Israel now exports two billion shekels of products to Gaza and thirteen billion shekels worth of products to Palestinians who live in Judea and Samaria on the west bank.
Last week, more than a dozen reporters visited the Sufa Trade junction where Israeli products of all kinds are shipped into Gaza. Some of the items were luxury items - like 10,000 bottles of Head and Shoulders Shampoo, along with every food product and medical supplies imaginable.
Yet the Palestinian information machine grinds out daily reports of deprivation and hunger in Gaza, ascribing it to Israel’s “blockade”, with stories that Israel simply does not allow food and medical supplies into Gaza to feed the 1.2 million residents of Gaza, half of whom dwell in UN refugee camps for more than 60 years. under the premise and promise of the “right of return” to their villages that they lost in the 1948 war in southern Israel - making them the only refugee population that the UN refuses to resettle.
Rabbi Waskow was called and asked to respond to the fact that no blockade exists. He would not return the phone call. Rabbi Gluskin said that he was too busy to respond to the question as to where it was that he had heard of an Israeli “blockade” of humanitarian supplies to Gaza.
Comment by yamit82 — July 15, 2009 @ 7:59 am
One of the problems in Judaism is that anyone can declare themselves Rabbi even atheists and those with only an academic understanding of Jewish sources.
Waskow belongs to the Reconstructionist movement very American very new age not much Judaism but for stupid Americans sounds nice. Gentiles don’t know the difference and if Jews don’t what can we expect from Gentiles?
Wednesday, July 15, 2009
RABBIS BEARING FALSE WITNESS
The Palestinian misinformation machine is working overtime these days. It has even recruited do gooder rabbis as David Bedein from the Israel Resource News Agency (Center for Near East Policy Research Ltd - http://www.IsraelBehindTheNews.com) reports:
Rabbis who bear false witness against Israel: Protesting a Blockade of Gaza where there is no blockade
I really hate these vermin!!!!!!!!!
I will leave it to Narvey and others to balance my use of English.
Comment by yamit82 — July 15, 2009 @ 8:19 am
Yamit I am one of those Gentiles who thought all Jews were the same.
I enjoyed your article about your niece.
I mentioned earlier that while growing up in the 50’s, there seemed to be more activity around the synagogues and Jewish Community Center (I used to live a ½ block away). Not so much today.
In fact my oldest son years ago spent a summer attending the JCC summer camp.
I believe you mentioned education. You are correct in the need for continuing education of young Jews.
Listen you know me as a Catholic I would welcome a Jew to convert however, it would have to be their own calling and desire, otherwise I would rather see a Jew who is committed to his or her faith as you are.
It would be nice to see the activities again around the synagogues and community center
Comment by rongrand — July 15, 2009 @ 12:34 pm
Ron I like you grew up in American culture and as the saying goes thrived as individuals given the opportunities America had to offer. I too Lived for many years in our local JCC and all our gang used to congregate in the JCC lounge every sun. to watch Highway patrol and then the NY Giants football games. Americans today think they are watching real American football but you and I know what it was like when they played mostly for the Love of the game and not the Love of the big Bucks. The America of the 50’s and sixties is long gone never to return and with it some of the naivety and purity that once made America , America! They days when we hung around street corners and played stickball. We never needed to be entertained we made our own and yes we got into trouble but nothing too serious. Those days when we had real friends and spent more time with them then with family. The days when radio was still listened to before and during the initial popularity of TV. If you are interested in listening to old time radio log on to Boston Pete Golden age of radio and they have every show ever put on radio including the old commercials
http://www.bostonpete.com/wma/station003.asx.
Those days We Jews had a sense of community and most of us never knew or understood the difference between orthodox, refor, or conservative Judaism. We were poor not yet having reached the American Dream of MIDDLE CLASS. The suburbs, no more downtown, no more JCC, nor more hanging out on street corners having fun, everything became programed no spontaneity, no more getting into trouble. Kids today don’t know and will never know our America the America that allowed us to dream,mature and reach goals.
What killed it for the Jews more than anything else: The eleventh commandment: Thou shalt melt:
The Jewish Establishment groups - The AJCommittee, the Congress, the B’nai Brith, the federations, all the spokesmen for the American Jewish community - the ruling clique, uniformly marched down the American road with a melting pot under their arms, beating it over and over again and shouting forth the Eleventh Commandment to the American Jew: Thou shalt melt!
Thou shalt melt, thou shalt integrate, thou shalt amalgamate, thou shalt be an American as all others. They beat the drums for interfaith, exchanging pulpits with ministers enthusiastically, in a frantic effort to prove to Christian and Jew alike that there is essentially no difference between them. They were partially successful - the Christians were not convinced but the Jews were.
Thou shalt melt, thou shalt integrate, thou shalt Americanize thyself and so they raised high the banner of the public school and fought, with a zeal no one knew that they possessed, the one weapon that might have given young Jews knowledge, and a sense of pride and roots. In fear and with hostility, they declared a holy war against the Jewish Day school, the parochial school, the yeshiva. They piously rationalized their struggle on the sacred grounds of separation of church and state but the real reason for their war (and they took the lead among all Americans in fighting the slightest aid to parochial schools) was their fear and consequent hatred of the parochialism and separatism of the yeshiva. The yeshiva threatened them with too much Jewishness! What would the gentile say if Jews were too Jewish, if they looked and behaved too differently, if their profile was not properly low? How did one mix easily with gentiles in the non-kosher country clubs they were so eager to join; how did one assimilate if Jews did not learn to drop the embarrassing customs, habits and old ritual baggage?
The public school! This was the way to equality, to uniformity, to mixing and assimilating and to the death of anti-Semitism. And so, they urged their flock to send young Jewish kids to the public school (and the flock, as eager to mix as the shepherds, needed little urging). http://www.geocities.com/nkmpa/bernie.html
Comment by yamit82 — July 15, 2009 @ 1:54 pm
Yamit, yes they were the good old days when one did not care what the nationality or religion of our neighbor was. We were taught respect for one another and especially our elders. I never addressed an older person other than Mr. or Mrs.
As far as I know being Jewish or too Jewish had no bearing on our relationship with them.
Time to bring back the Jewish Day School and trips to Israel.
By the way I had a cousin, a doctor with an Italian name who was the first Italian accepted at the local Country Club. He moved to Calif. and turned over his practice to a Jewish doctor well respected in the community who initially was not accepted in the club. However, years later he was invited to join and his reply was “If I wasn’t good enough then why am I good enough now? Forget it. He gained even more support in the community for that.
Comment by rongrand — July 15, 2009 @ 2:37 pm
Our Jewish gang always fought the Italians who outnumbered us 3-4 to one but we had some good fights. Later we inherited an Italian Family through marriage and got to know Italians quite well. They like us were big on family closeness and Food, Oh the food, Momma Theresa could cook.
Comment by yamit82 — July 15, 2009 @ 3:32 pm
Forutnatley we didn’t fight with our Jewish buddies. We would hang out at a few local taverns and although we were under age, we kept a low profile and my neighbor a big most loveable Jewish guy you could ever meet played any musical instrument by ear so he played the piano and the rest of sang for free beer and pizza.
In our group there were two one Irish Catholic (Jack) and the other Jewish (Arnie) both red heads and fair complected. There were time when they were mistaken for one another. Jack once told me a couple of nice looking Jewish girls came up to him and started to chat. I asked him if he told them he was not Arnie, he looked at me and said “are you crazy, why spoil a good thing”.
No fights.
Comment by rongrand — July 15, 2009 @ 11:23 pm
Yamit, that is so true and sad.
Listen after reading it I began to realize why the demise of the activities I use to observe around the synagogues and Jewish Community Center.
Let me tell you what is really disturbing, a Jewish family depriving themselves of their faith for a no good reason.
I agree Bernie was robbed of his true heritage and faith and for what? Was his family ashamed of being different, different in what way. Bernie should have attended Jewish Day School to follow his roots and marry some fine Jewish girl and raise a family, one that would be proud to be Jewish.
I am not sure I can’t equate to it but, I use to tell my sons “there are people out there who spend more time worrying about what Dick and Jane think of them and the worst is Dick and Jane don’t really care”.
Comment by rongrand — July 16, 2009 @ 1:50 am
Comment by rongrand — July 16, 2009 @ 1:50 am
Ron:
Simple, desire for material riches, and status. If our communities got back to our liberal and social awareness roots, the Bernie madoffs of this world would be much be less likely to occur.
Comment by h peskin — July 16, 2009 @ 4:01 am
peskin, how is it that you always get things screwed up. Liberal and social, you have to be kidding.
Are you by chance registered with the communist party?
By the way, I doubt you read the article.
I am also sure Yamit will be calling on you about your comment.
Good grief, don’t look now the liberal nuts in the US are in charge and it’s not a pretty site.
Comment by rongrand — July 16, 2009 @ 12:07 pm
The elites are using Bernie as a fall guy and do it by pouring their media attention on him.
What is it? Billions or trillions they stole from Americans and shifted the wealth equation even more.
Obama said to Larry King, “No, the money cannot be recovered, technically they didn’t do anything illegal.” It’s baloney, if the US Government can pass the patriot act they can nail anybody they choose to. The fact is that the people or the class that they belong to are Obama’s mentors and sponsors. He hopes to join their ranks some day.
Bernie existed because the elites created a system of exploitation that can spawn thousands of Bernie’s. The system is supported by the elites’ media their legion of “financial analysts” all of them who have an career investment the exploitation of their fellow human beings. in An economic system built on accelerating exploitation can only have one conclusion which is totalitarianism.
Comment by Max — July 16, 2009 @ 2:23 pm
Max you have a one track mind. No matter what the subject is, you don’t address it head on you deviate and ramble on with this elites conspiracy.
Now Max lets be honest what is really troubling you? Were you a victim of a money deal that went south?
No matter what the subject matter you just take off with repetition of this elites monkey.
Level with us Max, what happened?
Were you a victom of Bernard Madoff?
Comment by rongrand — July 16, 2009 @ 2:49 pm
Ron could you tell me what conspiracy you are talking about? I have never heard of any conspiracies. The elites are Sociology 101. You can find discussion of them in any sociology studies or texts if you still remember what books look like.
If the only information you have is from the MSM then you went to the Clown University and got you degree in Idiocy.
You are probably playing cartoon or cardboard politics playing one side against the other. Discussing the elites is anathema to cartoon politics, it exposes all the lies and deceitful platforms and you start cheering for shallow airheads like “Sarah - “the upset squawking heartless animal-killing coward chicken-little who quit” - Palin”.
I know your problem, I know your alliance. You are the Uncle Tom doberman class that has soldiered an investment in the totalitarian system and the system of oppression and exploitation. You have sold out all the human beings for whatever bones the elites tosses you. I hope you you choke on them.
It’s a safe bet the current fascist economic elites not only own your entire life Ron but they will brand and bury you,
You can remain self-ignorant and ignore them but they will not and have not ignored you.
The question is what happened to you. how were you blinded,How did you go through your whole life without asking any question or challenging the mass of lies and ignorance that was heaped on you.
You are your own conspiracy.
The entire news media lies about what is the quality of life for Canadians and Americans. North America is a sewer, there is no life left except for the elites, the sellouts and the Rongrands.
Comment by Max — July 16, 2009 @ 4:42 pm
Narvey:
Slightly reworded:
Your being satisfied with your irrational stereotypical image of a Moslem might serve your own particular needs in your own particular world. As soon as you write in a public forum on some issue premised on your irrational stereotypical image of Moslems, your irrationality is on display for all to see.
Comment by h peskin — July 16, 2009 @ 4:51 pm
No need to reword your pathetic drivel Peskin, except to say of you, once an ass always an ass.
Comment by Bill Narvey — July 16, 2009 @ 5:01 pm
Peskin (reworded) still = Peskin.
That’s really humourous!
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Oh the Irony! Peskin is a stereotype, If there were no Peskin, there would always be a Peskin.
So ..you living with Moslems,Peskin? In the same rooming house? You rent from them?
Go to the same community center? the same bars? The same business clubs? Since you found non-stereotypes, just wondering how far you integrated your culture with theirs?
Comment by Max — July 16, 2009 @ 5:13 pm
You know Max I don’t know what the hell you are talking about and I am sure you don’t either.
I just know somewhere on the internet there is a site more suitable for your rambling.
Comment by rongrand — July 16, 2009 @ 5:14 pm
Simple lesson learned from posts 31-32,
prejudicial sterotyping of any religion,ethnic group,or race is wrong no matter who the target group might be.
There is no dispute on this matter.
Comment by h peskin — July 16, 2009 @ 5:21 pm
I know. But it’s OK to be ignorant, brainwashed and not very bright. You have lots of company.
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Why does “rambling” bother you so much?. You should check that out with a doctor , get some pill or anti-depressant will zone you into some kind of bliss I’m sure.
We all live in the same Global Coffin. No use in anyone trying to go anywhere else, Israeli, American or Canadian, there is no escape.
Comment by Max — July 16, 2009 @ 5:28 pm
My dispute is with you Peskin. You fit the stereotype of an unmitigated nattering nabob of contrarianism who, when he has nothing to say, still is compelled say something anyway. For you that compulsion often moves you to just baselessly and dishonestly malign someone, in this case me, whom you generally disagree with on other issues.
Hiding behind your obvious generalized platitude that few if any would disagree with in your #35 does not make you appear any less the fool that you seem compelled to play, in spite of the fact that you are capable of better.
You have a brain Peskin. Use it to do some good.
Comment by Bill Narvey — July 16, 2009 @ 5:35 pm
Narvey and company:
“Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear”
George Orwell.
Comment by h peskin — July 16, 2009 @ 5:37 pm
Orwell was smart Peskin. You’re not. Wise up. As I said, you are capable of better, but you have to want to try.
Comment by Bill Narvey — July 16, 2009 @ 5:39 pm
Yamit check out 26. peskin responce.
I know he didn’t read the article.
Comment by rongrand — July 16, 2009 @ 5:55 pm
ron I noticed but then it’s typical of Peskin the king of the superficial,that said I have always disagreed with Narvcey who somehow gives Peskin undue and unwarranted credit for owning a brain, maybe a lobotomized one?
Comment by yamit82 — July 16, 2009 @ 8:14 pm