Why Should Israel Have Jerusalem?
SUMMARY
In the interest of fostering a constructive dialogue with an American diplomatic universe that seems to have no interest whatever in Israel’s position on Jerusalem, I’d like to toss out a few brief reminders.
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Israel should have Jerusalem, first of all, because it already does. Jews have been a majority of the city consecutively since the middle of the 19th century. There is no issue here of occupation, of a Jewish minority displacing Palestinians in their land. Over the past century and a half, the city was divided for 19 years by an accident of war, split between Israel and Jordan, whose occupation failed to earn international recognition; and then it was reunited.
The Jordanians cleansed the eastern city of its Jews and burned down its synagogues. Then the Jews came back in 1967 and gave the city a greater degree of not only economic success but also religious, cultural, and political freedom than it has ever enjoyed.
Israel should have Jerusalem because it is more important to Jews than it is to Muslims (or Christians, or anyone else). The fact is that there is a difference between the “most important” holy city and the “third most important” city that is far more than quantitative. This is the geographical heart of biblical Israel, the focus of its golden age of David and Solomon, the focus of three millennia of Jewish prayer. This is the heart of everything, and that heart beats in eastern Jerusalem, at the site where the First and Second Temples stood for about a thousand years.
Israel should have Jerusalem because there is no practical way to divide the city that would satisfy both sides. Separation - a full border, with strict crossings and a fundamental divorce of economic life - is anathema to the Palestinians themselves, who rely heavily on Israeli jobs for their living.
Jerusalem is not just a consensus issue in Israel but also a deeply personal one. There is no erasing the thousands of years of yearning for Jerusalem in Jewish texts, nor the national catharsis of its reunification in the Six-Day War, nor over four decades of astonishing development and construction and tourism and flourishing of religious life for all faiths since then.
The idea that now, suddenly, a new American president, speaking of “settlements,” will change this reality is not simply offensive and alienating to Israelis only, but also to Jews the world over. Israelis do not like to be bullied, and this is far more likely to steel the Israeli public’s resolve against American pressure than weaken it.
The world wants Jerusalem
As their anti-Semitism tramples the sense of common Islamic threat, Christian countries prefer Muslim to Jewish control of Jerusalem.
The State Dept. officially confirmed issuing a demarche to Israeli ambassador over a minor private project in the east part of Jerusalem.
Russia and France called on Israel to halt the construction. We might suggest them to stop occupation of the Kuril Islands and Corsica first.
Germany called Israeli construction in Jerusalem “a political suicide.” The option is much preferable to the ideological suicide of abandoning Jerusalem.
Comment by yamit82 — July 22, 2009 @ 10:19 am
West Jerusalem is not Jewish, either
The US Court of Appeals in Washington upheld a decision that allows the State Department to refuse to list Israel as the country of birth for Jewish American citizens born in Jerusalem—who are all born in West Jerusalem.
The State Department claims that it wants to avoid prejudging Israeli-Palestinian negotiations on Jerusalem. The diplomats exhibit no similar concern for any other torn regions anywhere in the world.
The State Department’s attitude toward Jews has not changed since World War II, when it stalled even Roosevelt’s meager efforts at saving the Jews.
Comment by yamit82 — July 22, 2009 @ 10:23 am
US supports Palestinian racism
The US State Department summoned the Israeli Ambassador over a private Jewish development project in East Jerusalem on the former site of Shepherd’s Hotel.
Jews can build even in the United Arab Emirates, but not in the territories, which might fall into Palestinian hands. At the same time, Arabs—including foreign ones—invest heavily in Israeli real estate.
A diplomatic demarche over a private development project is totally outrageous, especially from a supposedly friendly state.
Comment by yamit82 — July 22, 2009 @ 10:26 am
MK Eldad: Israel Must Act Alone on Iran
Reported: 10:23 AM - Jul/22/09
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(IsraelNN.com) National Union MK Aryeh Eldad said Wednesday that Israel will have to act alone on the Iranian nuclear threat, claiming the U.S. had already accepted that Iran will develop nuclear weapons. Earlier in the day U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said the U.S. would act to strengthen its allies in the Middle East if Iran were to develop nuclear capabilities.
“Clinton’s statement shows that the U.S. has accepted that Iran will develop nuclear weapons,” Eldad said. “Clinton and Obama don’t’ understand, and when they do it will be too late. Iran with a nuclear weapon could act like a suicide bomber. Israel’s reliance on the U.S. has failed and it must now act alone.”
Comment by yamit82 — July 22, 2009 @ 10:27 am
Olmert confirms abandoning the Temple Mount
In a Washington Post op-ed, Olmert criticized Obama’s focus on the settlements as leading nowhere and achieving nothing.
The former PM confirmed a long-standing rumor that he offered the Palestinians practically the entire West Bank, all Arab-populated parts of Jerusalem, the Temple Mount, and admittance for some number of refugees.
At the time, Olmert thought he was playing a PR trick with Abbas (who predictably refused the offer as he does not want formal independence, but rather to remain the focus of the world’s attention). Olmert’s offer, however, set a new benchmark for Israeli concessions, and subsequent governments would find it impossible to retract it.
Comment by yamit82 — July 22, 2009 @ 12:43 pm
Yamit, your last point bears on the point I have made in another string as regards Netanyahu’s limited manoevering room vis a vis Pres. Obama’s demands on Israel which have been endorsed by just about all Western democracies, except to an extent at least by Canada.
It is not only current world opinion and pressures/threats by America that confine Israel’s/Netanyahu’s positions within an ever decreasing field of options, but Israel’s various agreements and concessions made under pressure/threats from the past have left prececessor Israeli leaders with less manoevering room.
Where I disagree with you is on your last point that
I think the jury is still out as to whether Israel/Netanyahu are abolutely bound by all prior positions, statements, offers or agreements. Not only has there been much talk of wiggle room, but as a number of contributors here and writers elsewhere including some Israeli MK’s have advocated, those agreements or at least some of them made by Israel, which the Palestinians have breached, can and should be be resiled from.
I have been frankly surprised by not only Netanyahu, but Olmert, Sharon and Peres. Instead of hammering away at the Palestinians virtually batting 1000 as regards breaching every promise and agreement they have ever made and using that to justify declaring agreements breached are no more and that concessions Israel gave must be returned, they all continue to plead with the Palestinians to honour their promises and agreements and move forward with further negotiations towards peace.
I don’t get that. I do think however something is changing.
Netanyahu has been trying to wiggle out of the box Pres. Obama has tried to put him in on the issues of supporting an independent Palestinian state as part of an ultimate peace agreements, settlements and Jerusalem.
It seems that Netanyahu is gaining support from Israelis for his stance against Pres. Obama. That may be contributing to Pres. Obama’s approval rating in Israel plummetting to about 6%. The largest contributing factor to that plunge in Israelis acceptance of Pres. Obama is that Pres. Obama is trying to meddle in Israeli affairs and bully Israel to that end.
No one likes a bully and Israelis are increasingly seeing that side of Pres. Obama.
With Pres. Obama overplaying his hand and trying to bully Israel, this just may be the thing that allows Israelis to put aside their differences and stand united behind PM Netanyahu, giving him the mandate to tell Pres. Obama to butt out of Israeli affairs, advocate Israel’s narrative, history, rights, needs and wants, denounce Pres. Obama and the Palestinians with unvarnished truths and begin to resile from all prior positions, statements, committments, offers or agreements made with the Palestinians and demand back concessions given and to do the same as regards America where Pres. Obama and his predecessors have similarly failed to live up to their words, promises and agreements to Israel in that regard.
I am most interested in how this all plays out, especially because I do think things have begun to change as I laid out.
At least I hope the beginning of something new and good for Israel and Israelis is real and not just my wishful thinking.
Comment by Bill Narvey — July 22, 2009 @ 3:34 pm
Narvey BB’s coalition abandoned him on Land reform Bill today in the Knesset. Just before the final vote he pulled it and delayed it another week if at all. He lost this one and for him its’ like Obamas health care. BB won’t last long.
PM: Separation fence won’t be dismantled
Knesset holds discussion on subject ‘Failing and flip-flopping prime minister on political, economic fronts’ at Kadima’s behest. Netanyahu says Iranian regime’s true colors uncovered during his cabinet’s tenure. MK Itzik: Government ministers frustrated
Amnon Meranda
Published: 07.22.09, 14:00 / Israel News
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Wednesday rejected the Opposition’s accusations during a Kadima-initiated Knesset plenum discussion on the subject “A failing and flip-flopping prime minister on the political and economic fronts.”
At the end of the discussion, 51 Knesset members voted in favor of the prime minister’s announcement and 39 voted against it. Labor ministers abstained.
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Addressing the Palestinian demand to remove the separation fence, the prime minister clarified that it would “remain where it is. It won’t be dismantled.”
He spoke of his support for the fence. “As the finance minister I told (former Prime Minister Ariel) Sharon, despite the fact that we were in the midst of a serious financial crisis, ‘Arik, there will be no problem with the budget for the fence. The budget will always precede the construction…’
“Today I hear people say that because it’s quiet the fence can be removed. On the contrary, my friends. It’s quiet because we have the fence, and this is in addition to the IDF’s activity, of course. And I must add cautiously that there is a certain improvement in the performance of the Palestinian security organizations, and we welcome it.”
Netanyahu presented the principles needed for solving the conflict with the Palestinians: Recognizing Israel as a Jewish state, solving the refugee problem outside Israel, effective demilitarization arrangements and an international recognition of them.
“These are the foundations of the national agreement for peace,” said Netanyahu. “We demand an international recognition of the arrangements. We are required to make concessions and we want to ensure that the State of Israel is safe.”
The prime minister’s remarks sparked a row among Arab Knesset members, and MK Mohammad Barakeh was removed from the auditorium by Knesset Speaker Reuven Rivlin.
Addressing the Iranian threat, the prime minister noted with satisfaction that the mask has been torn off Iran’s face. “In the field of security I have said before the elections and I’m saying this again: Our main problem is the Iranian threat on us, on the region and on peace.
“During the government’s tenure, something happened which is significant for the long run – uncovering the true colors of the Iranian regime. A brutal regime oppressing the people. This nation wants to rid itself of the burden of tyranny, and if it is released many forces would be released for development.
“Hardly anyone supported this regime in the international community, but there were exceptions. Excluding Syria, Hamas and Hezbollah who sent their greetings, encouragement and support. What else did they send there during the oppression? It’s part of the same method, the same tyranny and hypocrisy, and the mask has been torn off their face at once. This is an important thing. Something important has happened.”
Netanyahu thanked the MKs for approving the State Budget, “and also those who voted against it.” According to the prime minister, “We have not had a budget for a long time. Today we don’t just have a budget but a biennial budget, which I must tell you, people are interested in. There are those who suggest making it permanent, I’m not being swept away, but had we not passed it now we would have started immediately, now, the 2010 budget.”
At this stage, MK Shlomo Molla (Kadima) lashed out at Netanyahu, saying “you hurt the weak populations.”
‘Refugee problem won’t be solved inside Israel’
The prime minister spoke of forming an agreement on the foundations of peace, saying that it should be obvious that the Palestinians who are seeking their own state should recognize Israel as the Jewish people’s nation state.
“This stems from the simple principle, that the refugee problem will not find its solution within the borders of the Jewish state,” Netanyahu said, adding that this was important so that “when we sign a peace agreement there will be no more demands against the State of Israel, not for the entry of refugees and not for regions in the State of Israel. The end of the conflict is the end of demands.
“We do not want to repeat the mistakes and tragedies of Gaza, we do not want another Hamastan and another Hezbollahstan. The main thing, beyond questions of legitimacy and recognition, is demilitarization. The demilitarization we are asking for is effective demilitarization, not demilitarization on paper, not demilitarization which will not stand the test of time.
“These are basic things which almost all MKs agree on, and I think we can reach such agreements or such arrangements if we insist on them. In general, all the things I have said are things that have been said, but we have grouped them together because this is a very basic thing, without it peace is really impossible… I am talking differently. I am saying things as they are.”
Livni talks of ‘days of despair’
Opposition Chairwoman Tzipi Livni was next to take the stage, slamming the prime minister. “A little over 100 days have passed since the establishment of a government in Israel. Anywhere else in the world these are days of hope, a renewal of implementing the promises made before the elections. Only in Israel these are days of despair.”
Arab MKs who left the auditorium during Netanyahu’s speech returned to the hall to listen to Livni.
“This Knesset has approved the establishment of a overblown and wasteful government, but in practice there is no government in Jerusalem in any field, because since the establishment of the government all its leader engages in is survival.”
She criticized the enactment of laws, “which degrades any value we believe in: A law for each MK. A financial crisis – you spoke of a guiding hand, we see a paying hand… Strong people are willing to pay more because they still care about the weak.”
Addressing the peace process, the opposition leader said that “the people want to reach an agreement and you are trying to avoid it. The State of Israel needs a border, the people of Israel want a leadership which will set the border, and the people are praying for a brave enough leadership to make these decisions – for it. And there is no such leadership in Israel.
“Don’t point a finger at your coalition, don’t explain in English and French – in closed forums as you do – that it’s not you, it’s them: ‘My partners, they are the radical ones.’ As if you are not the one who chose this coalition… With you, the consensus is always around fear.”
She turned to Netanyahu, “You are good with marketing in Hebrew, but it doesn’t work in other languages.”
‘Where are you leading us?’
Earlier during the meeting, Kadima faction Chairwoman Dalia Itzik attacked Netanyahu for the rift created between Israel and the United States. “We placed our most precious asset in your custody – the close, intimate relationship and exceptional cooperation with the United State of America. Now, I look at the four months of your term and am stunned. Given the credentials of such an educated, sophisticated, and experienced person, how could you fail so?” she said.
“Though I am in the opposition, I don’t have any interest or joy in gloating over the failure of a prime minister. Your failure is our failure,” she said.
“It takes a certain amount of talent to take the circumstances under which you started your term and turn them into the situation to which you have brought Israel within 113 days. And we still don’t know where you’re going? Where are you going? What are your plans? Do you have plans? Where are you leading us?” she charged.
“Sir,” continued Itzik, “it seems to me that you did not really sketch out a plan, a path, a direction from the beginning. Ten years of waiting patiently to take office again is worthy of praise. Now that you are here, could it be that you don’t know what to make of it?”
“How did Israel become within 113 a peace rejecter in the eyes of the world? Could it be that we gave the steering wheel to a captain that has forgotten or lost his navigation equipment? If you came unprepared, we forgive you. Start anew.”
MK Ofir Akonis (Likud) responded, “I say from here, from the Knesset in Jerusalem to the leaders of the free world led by the president of the United States: Mr. President, enough is enough. The Israelis and Jews of the world know Jerusalem is our eternal capital, and are united around our sovereign rule of the city. I also call upon Ms. Livni to let her voice be heard and the join the broader Israeli consensus.”
In her speech, Itzik leveled harsh criticism at Netanyahu’s conduct since taking on the premiership: “When I look at the Israeli government, I can’t help but think of the term ‘it’s all opposite.’ Everything is jumbled, twisted, bitter, quarrelsome, forced, visionless, lacking enthusiasm. Have you looked recently at the ministers’ faces? Look at them. They all look sad, frustrated, and uncomfortable.”
Itzik stopped suddenly in the middle of her speech and said to the prime minister, “Sir, I would appreciate it if you would look at me. I respect you. When you were speaking, I always looked at you. It’s very insulting.”
Itzik added, “There seems to be a certain element of disrespect here, and I don’t disrespect him. I wrote this speech and thought about each word, believe me. I have a lot of respect for you. Thank you.”
Netanyahu responded, “Sometimes I’m capable of doing more than one thing at the same time.”
Comment by yamit82 — July 22, 2009 @ 4:40 pm
What land reform bill?
I note with interest Kadima Chairwoman Dalia Itzik’s words:
This is typical of partisan politics and political posturing.
Itzik full of herself and dishonest to boot when she lays all blame on the deteriorated relationship between America and Israel on Netanyahu and gives Obama a pass.
More posturing. Like Israel was not seen as the bad guy before Netanyahu took office. Give me a break!
This pretty much describes the state of Israeli politics before Netanyuahu and as it still is.
The problem is mostly due to the Israeli political system and culture that has become ingrained as it serves the interests of politicians.
Comment by Bill Narvey — July 22, 2009 @ 7:30 pm
Bill I posted that item without comment to give you an idea of how it works here. Never listen tp or believe uncritically anything any of our politicians say. Your right it’s all posturing and a lot of sour grapes and jealousy as well. After the scession they all head for the Members cafeteria and have dinner together and that includes the Arab MK’s. This is the elitist club here and they weild a lot of power.
You may like democracy but for us it is the worst of all possible systems. Here is food for more thought:
We can learn a lesson from the Little King over the Jordan Abdullah.
It never fails to amaze me to see how our enemies consistently demonstrate examples of self respect which Israel dare not emulate. . . because we have no self respect. King Abdullah, of the alleged Kingdom of Jordan, reacting to Israeli statements that Jordan is Palestine, has begun to revoke Jordanian citizenship of so called “Palestinians” living in his country, which is about 70% of the population. By so doing the King hopes to maintain the “Jordanian” character of his country and prevent the so called “Palestinians” from ever taking over. He also seeks to reinforce the goal of building a new PLO state on Israeli soil.
Rather than be upset at this new move, the Israeli government can and should emulate it. We should use this new precedent as justification to strip all alleged “Palestinians” living in Israel of their Israeli citizenship. Following the example of the King, we need not expel anyone just yet, rather permit them to continue living in their homes as long as they adhere to Israeli law. They would simply lose Israeli citizenship and thus not be able to vote or run for office. This would preserve the Jewish character of the state of Israel and prevent the ever-growing Arab population from democratically turning Israel into Palestine. This is truly identical to the motivations of King Abdallah! Of course, in addition, it is vital that we incorporate Judea, Samaria and Gaza as part and parcel of the Jewish State. Thus, if the so called Palestinians wish to build a new state, let them do it in Tunis or Saudi Arabia. . . never on Jewish soil.
Of course no Knesset Member has the courage to introduce such a bill as it would immediately find him labeled a racist. Yet now we have the example of our best peace partner, King Abdullah, who has already enacted such a law and is beginning to implement it. Certainly he is not a racist.
Comment by yamit82 — July 22, 2009 @ 8:52 pm
Thx Yamit. I read this newest initiative by Jordan to cancel the citizenship of Palestinians living there sent to me by one of my e mail buddies. My comment was that in order to draw Western outrage against Jordan’s conniving scheme, Israel should run the same idea up the flagpole as regards Israeli Arabs.
That would bring a hue and cry against Israel which Israel in turn would point out the precedent is set by Jordan. In the end, Jordan would back down as would Israel, but during this sideshow furor, Israel would probably have more time to plan out some moves and countermoves on issues that really count.
By the way Yamit, are you a lone wolf advocate or do you belong to an advocacy organization? Given your knowledge and passion, you really should be part of an advocacy group that best reflects your views.
Let me know.
Comment by Bill Narvey — July 22, 2009 @ 9:56 pm
No group, I am not a joiner or group kind of person. I don’t follow either but as for Lone wolf? At least 2 million Jews here have either similar or even views more extreme (your term not mine) than mine.
Meet some:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POsq5F5fAtY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHwQmplm78c&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMjMPUfiYHc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpBgFbSn6×8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC7eqDnAtN8&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrzncNG_8i4&NR=1
Comment by yamit82 — July 22, 2009 @ 10:59 pm
Narvey:
The “Shma Yisrael” Project
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwiRbvzR9EQ
Comment by yamit82 — July 22, 2009 @ 11:16 pm
Yamit, I am sure there are more Roi Kleins who gave their lives or put their lives on the line in similar heroic circumstances to save their fellow Jews.
Forget about the issue of politics and that Israel needs better leaders for a moment.
I do hope the government, the schools and other institutions and organizations such as those in charge of the Shma Yisrael” Project make a point and concerted effort to hold up the Roi Kleins as heroic examples for all Israelis, young and old to teach them that all Israelis are in the same boat together and that each and every Israeli must have each other’s back to watch out for, care for and stand up for and defend all their brothers and sisters from Israel’s enemies near and far.
As for Ari and Jeremy, that was an interesting pro-active approach to not only getting their message on film, but using youtube to get it out.
As for you, the lone voice amongst many lone voices singing much the same song, I remind you again that the greater the numbers bound up in unity, the stronger the voice.
So Yamit, consider setting yourself a challenge of being the one to start an advocacy organization. From what you say, there should be many who would join you.
I will leave you with that thought.
Comment by Bill Narvey — July 22, 2009 @ 11:49 pm
The Israeli Jews, stewards for all Twelve Tribes of Israel, must acknowledge their biblical right, first and foremost, to the biblical city of Jerusalem, and seal it with the liberation and restoration of the Temple Mount. What other people or holy book have made Jerusalem famous worldwide? To shy away from this clear biblical mandate to liberate and annex, to go and grow, survive and thrive, in every area of the Promised Land of Israel, capital Jerusalem, undermines their blessings from God and begrudging respect from the nations.
Regardless of pressure from the bloody Vatican and unclean birds like Shimon Peres and dangerous UNJews, a few faithful Jews must do all they can to withstand Jerusalem’s betrayal and rape.
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David Ben Ariel-
I really don’t like or trust you but as the axiom says Truth comes from the lips of Drunks, Madmen and Children. I figure as a good Christian you don’t drink and know for a fact your are not a child.
To bad you didn’t succeed in blowing up the the abominations on the Temple mount. Now someone else will need to do the job better.
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