Its an all or nothing deal now.
By Ted Belman
Yesterday, I commented on the NYT article The Two State Solution Doesn’t Solve Anything but failed to address it on a strategic level.
For years now, many, myself included, have commented on the intent of the far left and the Muslim movements on Campus and elsewhere was not to usher in the two state solution or end the occupation but to end the State of Israel. Now the NYT has brought this intent into the mainstream. In the weeks and months to come, you will see more and more voices abandoning the two-state solution for the bi-national state.
Its happened before.
When Oslo wasn’t going anywhere, Thomas Friedman of the NYT, reported that he had a conversation with King Abdullah about the peace process and the need for a plan and Abdullah said something to the effect that he happened to have such a plan in his drawer. Freidman introduced it to the world. That was in 2002. When the Roadmap was introduced in 2003, the Plan was given great prominence though it was in great conflict with the governing principle for 35 years, namely Resolution 242. When Sharon strenuously objected Powell rammed it down his throat saying the Roadmap was only a process. And now it has totally replaced Res 242 as the operating principles to achieve peace. But peace isn’t what it aspires to.
For years the left was complaining that Israel was a liability to the US and that the US was acting against its interest by allowing “those powerful Jews” to control policy. These complaints went mainstream with the publication of The Israel Lobby two years ago. Since then the attack on Israel as a liability has gained momentum. Obama’s policies certainly reflect this view.
And now the NYT leads the way again with its attack on Israel’s legitimacy arguing there is no peace in sight without satisfying the Arabs on the refugee problem created in 1948. This issue, it implies, can only be satisfied by Israel by accepting a bi-national state solution. This would be the end of Israel. No problem, they say, the creation of Israel was a mistake to begin with.
This issue could long ago been satisfied by the resettlement of the refugees all over the world. But the Arabs would have none of that and the West went along. No one cares about the refugees. They care about the take-down of Israel.
It is not just the Right that have recognized the futility of the peace process and the fact that a two-state solution is unattainable and unworkable. Now the Left is openly saying the same thing.
The choice is clear. Either Israel will be forced to accept a bi-national state or Israel will resist the pressure and hold on to Judea and Samaria and ultimately annex them giving the Arabs autonomy only.
This has been driven home by the ongoing Fatah Conference which adopted a hard line on the refugee issue and even went so far as to demand all of Jerusalem. It also refused to recognize Israel as a Jewish state. You might ask what’s it to them. A lot. It would mean the end of conflict. For the Arabs, the conflict will only be ended when Israel is ended. This is what the conflict has always been about.
Obama is clamouring for the commencement of negotiations. To what end? There is no compromise to be had from the Arabs and hopefully no compromise to be had from Israel and certainly no expectation that Israel will accede to all the demands of the Arabs.
Now that the Times has broken the ice, more and more people and countries will be promoting the bi-national state.
Its an all or nothing deal now.
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The 1967 one state solution:
If you step back and look at things now, without the rhetoric, the current supposedly unstable status quo is actually the basic end game.
And it’s a modification of 1967 in Israel’s favor. The Golan stays with Israel and Syria loses. Gaza reverts back to Egyptian control. The West Bank settlements and Jerusalem stay with Israel, and the West Bank palestinians rejoin Jordan.
And if Israel is smart, they’ll give Umm al Fahm and its Israeli arabs to Jordanian control.
The alternatives that the goyim (including Israel’s own Hebrew-speaking goyim) want, which will weaken Israel, don’t seem too likely to happen anymore, as the Israeli right wing and religious grow in strength, and the leftists decline.
Israel surrendering the Golan and the Kinneret to Syria is pretty unlikely. Israel ethnically cleansing the settlements and east Jerusalem of Jews and inviting Hamas to replace them is pretty unlikely. And Israel allowing a fully independent palestinian state with a corridor splitting Israel in half to allow Hamas free passage from Gaza to the West Bank also seems unlikely.
Of course, since the arabs remain primitive savages, there will be intermittent bloodshed of varying degreees. But that’s the reality of the Middle East. If the Israeli leftists want to live in peaceful conditions like the EU, they should consider moving to the EU rather than staying in Israel and promoting its destruction from within. (Also, there is always the worrying possibility that Egypt and/or Jordan go jihadist.)
And it would help if Jews who remain loyal to Judaism in America would have lots of kids, and send some of them to Israel to help out, and if they have any extra money, send that to Israel to support the truly Jewish organizations.
The Jew-hater B. Hussein Obama that we Americans elected as president will not accept this, so we’ll have to see how far he’ll go in response. Since time is in Israel’s favor, Israel has to keep talking inconclusively and stall for as much time as possible. The Jew-hating leftists in the world sense this, which is why they are ratcheting up the pressure for Israel to surrender now.
Obama had better turn his attention to the Muslim threat increasing in his own country.
Obama is the Muslim threat.
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The NYT is vile and evil and we can only hope it ceases to exist soon while Israel will go on.
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US Activist Questions Obama’s Legitimacy as President
(IsraelNN.com) United States attorney Orly Taitz is leading a vocal worldwide campaign claiming that U.S. President Barack Obama is not qualified to serve as president.
Dr. Taitz spoke to Israel National News TV and explained why she doubts that Obama’s certificate of birth is legitimate, why she believes that the president is not qualified to serve in any case, and the effect she fears Obama’s status could have on his policies.
WATCH FULL INTERVIEW HERE: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/132880
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/132877
Israel has taken several steps to improve mobility for Palestinian Authority Arabs in the Binyamin and Samaria regions in recent months. Dozens of IDF checkpoints have been removed, and at one of the largest Samaria checkpoints, Huwarra, soldiers no longer check Arab travellers for weapons.
I fully agree with the following statement by Katz (Ketzaleh)!
Those who support BB and his policies by default are complicit in the attempted and actual murder of Jews.
Yamit, now this is one move I would never expect the Israeli government to do. Security is above all the number one priority of the government in protecting her citizens.
This government has to stop listening to the Obama and his administration. This is a anti-Semitic Muslim president and he has no love for Israel.
Remember I said before and it is noted in the polls, a majority of Americans support Israel.
I know you don’t agree but I believe Israel needs a good PR program for the US, I wish the government would send Carolne Glick around the US to tell the Israeli story.
Just maybe some of the liberal American Jews will wake up and start being Jewish.
As you are aware I am a FOXNews Junkie, in fact I am in my office watching now. I am amazed that a mjority, 95% of the Obama stragest and spokesmen who appear are Jewish.
What don’t they get?
Every American Jew should be proud of Israel.
The Israel Governments of Sharon and Olmert allowed all of the western negev to be bombarded daily for 3 years and didd shit to stop it. Only when they bombed Ashkelon, Ashdod and Beersheva did they use counterforce to stop it and then only partially. The towns and settlements in the S.W Negev were expendable.
Fox today is only a shell of what they were before the Saudis bought in for 10% and an option for another 10%. They rarely talk about Muslim fundamentalists anymore or the Islamic Terrorist threat in America. Iran is OK but not the Saudis.
This should help Israels decision makers:
Gas Field Near Haifa Exceeds Expectations — Again!
by Hana Levi Julian
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(IsraelNN.com) The capacity of natural gas fields at the Tamar I drilling site off the coast of Haifa have exceeded the most optimistic expectations.- for a second time.
The natural gas reserves found at the site are 16 percent more than estimated, according to an independent report released by Noble Energy, which owns 36% of the field under exploration.
Noble Energy also operates the drill site on behalf of a conglomerate of partners, including Texas-based petroleum company Netherland, Sewell and Associates. The site is located about 80 kilometers (50 miles) off the coast of Haifa.
Israeli partners in the well include Isramco Negev 2, which owns 28.75%, Delek Drilling, which has 15.625%, Avner Oil Exploration with 15.625% and Dor Gas Exploration, which owns 4%.
Shares rose in response to the announcement at the Tel Aviv Stock Exchange (TASE).
Tests by an outside consultant have revealed 207 billion cubic meters of gas. The previous estimate of 178 billion, made a month ago, was already 30 percent higher than original estimates.
“There is already enough Israeli made natural gas to provide for the county’s needs for years to come, said Avner CEO Gideon Tadmor and Delek CEO Tzvi Greenfield in a joint statement.
They said that the group plans to “determinedly seek out additional reserves in our many licenses along the coast,” pointing out the discoveries free the Jewish State from dependence on foreign energy sources.
The Lord is being quite generous this week.
He is systematically unmasking the anti-Semites while providing natural gas to the Jews.
Now, that is multi-tasking.
By the way, just as the TWO STATE SOLUTION preceded the BILATERAL SOLUTION, the BILATERAL SOLUTION is merely a prelude to the FINAL SOLUTION.
In 3-5 Years some developing nations will have eclipsed America, How? By America falling to their level and not the other way around. My advice is to get out of Dollar assets as they won’t have much value or purchasing power in a few years. Americans moving or fleeing to Mexico might surpass those Mexicans crossing over to America. I love it. Israel soon to be energy self sufficient and our economy continuing to chug along while BIG BROTHER, across the pond goes belly up. Should we extend foreign aid to our past Falsch benefactor?
Yamit, now you know the people of this nation are good people, for a guy growing up in NJ you saw good times and maybe a few bad ones. But it wasn’t all that bad. Hell you know growing up in my neck of the woods a Catholic boy like me could hang out at the Jewish Community Center and I was never asked to leave.
Our Catholic school was small and we had no gym and our Jewish neighbor were kind enough to allow our HS basketball team practice at the center.
Those days are past, they were good. In fact, so good you could go out and not lock your doors. Neighbors were neighbors and everyone looked after one another.
What happened, well people became complacent and took a leave from paying attention to the government.
No shows at the election polls only allowed for the gooney birds to take office.
Like my mother use to say and she by no means coined it. There isn’t a ill wind that doesn’t blow some good.
Well just maybe that ill wind is Barak Hussein Obama and now Americans are wakening from their slumber and are begining to express themselves. They are tired of the gooney birds in Washington and they want their government back. Let’s hope and pray is only the begining.
By the way I am not being critical of your leaving the states to live in Israel. You know me, if I were Jewish I would no doubt be your next door neighbor. If G-d led my people back to the land provided for them, how bad could that be?
All Israelis should recognize this sovereign state first and foremost as a Jewish Nation entitled to and in control of the land from the River Jordan to the Mediterranean including all of Samari, Judea, Gaza, the Golan Heights and the Sinai as provided by G-d.
Now we need to bring the liberal American Jews around to understand this.
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Samuel Fistel,
Your comments make sense. I am surprized that a Trotskyite like you can make such a level-headed appraisal of the situation in Israel.
Yamit,
You’re going mad. I don’t know where you developed such a hatred for your native land. Somewhere along the way, someone slipped you a mickey. I feel sorry for you.
Ted,
I appreciate your interest in trying to get at the roots of the world-wide hatred of Israel — especially, as it is, the fact that overseas Jews are in leadership positions among the attackers. That last thing is really irrational. It’s also irrational that a country as big and powerful as the US, along with powerful allies like Britain and France, and powerful not-such-allies, Russia and China, are all so intent on the elimination of a country of seven million people.
None of this makes sense. I the 70s, when I was in the US Army, draft-aged youngsters were protesting against the war in Vietnam. That was rational: They were subject to the draft, and didn’t want to go fight a war that didn’t seem to advance any American interests — and at that, a war our President had promised to take us OUT of. Nixon ended the draft, and the ranks of protestors thinned to nothing. We got out of Vietnam, and America hunkered down to some 20 years of comfortable isolationism.
In 1984, I moved to the Redwood Coast of California, a sparsely-populated and economically backward area of the United States. We had a small university nearby, where some students seemed caught in a time warp back to the late 1960s. They weren’t protesting against a war so they wouldn’t have to go serve in it; they were protesting the unequal treatment of blacks in South Africa! That would make sense, if those students were black; but hardly any of them were. Self-interest was clearly not the name of the game; but instead, some screwy, larger-than-life agenda was at work.
Well, they won; and now South Africa seems to be the Anti-Semitism and Rape capital of the world, as well as a leading cesspool of AIDS infestation. Wow! Some victory! I wonder if the Anti-Israel protestors around the world want to make Israel like South Africa — and FOR WHAT????? As I said, some screwy, larger-than-life agenda is at work; and I suspect it has little or no connection with common sense.
I’ll tell you one thing for sure — Those instigators of all this Anti-Israel BS aren’t concerned in the least with the ravings of Jews like Yamit. In fact, Yamit seems to be living in a fairy tale as strange as that of the anti-Zionists: It’s fantasy queen fighting fantasy queen over some matter that does not reside on Planet Earth. People like Yam don’t seem to realize that places like Israel, countries with fewer people than dozens of cities in the world — countries that most people can’t even find on a globe — don’t matter in any real way. It’s not the country of Israel that people hate, nor its inhabitants, but some PHANTOM country of Israel, inhabited by beings called “Jews” who, for all it matters, might as well be three-headed monsters from another planet.
Frankly, I don’t understand what’s going on; but if I should need to pick someone on Israpundit to go and see what’s happening and report the facts back to me, I think I shall elect Sam Fistel.
Gee wiz Oat, I have a very long list of how America has tried and still is to stick it to us: and it ain’t the Fucking Martians who are arming our enemies to the teeth supporting them politically and internationally and trying to push us back to indefensible borders. It’s those same Martians I suppose that will allow Iran to nuke up to what? Or placing restrictions on our own economy by restricting the use of Israel to sell our own weapons so that American companies or others gets the deals. Or was it those Martians who kept kept vital intel away from Israel about Iraqs Nuke program and then crucified and set Pollard up for the Fall? I have a very long list of how America has been our dear friend and ally even from before our declaration of independence. I could give you chapter and verse how your FDR colluded to kill Jews. Or Truman embargoing Israel while the Arabs got weapons from anybody. Should I cite all the restrictions America placed on Jews from exclusions in certain neighborhood to WASP american corporations excluding Jews like AT%T GM, Ford etc. Resorts and country clubs, hotels, restaurants quotas in many universities etc. The list is without end. The Jews today have made it in spite of most of the obstacles but we see today the price of that success and general acceptance: Loss of Jewish identity and mass assimilation into for Jews a foreign culture and subsequent self hatred as Jews.
I don’t hate America but neither do I love her. I am grateful to having been born and raised there as well as educated and as long as America seeks not to do us harm here I support her but when was there a time when America in some way didn’t have it in for the Jews or Israel?
Yamit don’t let it ever be said you don’t speak the truth. Yes to all you stated.
I once told you of a Jewish doctor who took over the practice of a cousin of ours. He was well liked by the Italian patients as well as everyone in the community.
He attempted to join the country club and was rejected a number of years later was invited to join. He told them if I wasn’t good enough then I am not now, forget it.
He won even more respect in the community.
Strange, I never heard of any gentile being rejected by Jews. As you know I spent a lot of time at the local Jewish CC and I could have been a member.
I hate to beat a dead horse Yamit but, will someone please tell me why this hatred and dislike for Jews?
I know tomorrow if I were to live in Israel the people there would accept me with open arms and I would be treated royally.
That you don’t understand is understandable; Why don’t you ask J, he knew I’ll betcha !
Ya got me oooch!