The Master Plan
By Ted Belman
Conventional wisdom tells us that western Europe and America are pressing Israel for concessions in order to placate the Arabs. In my recent Israel can and must act in her own best interests. I wrote
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Shortly thereafter (1938) Ben Gurion made his case to Malcolm MacDonald, the Colonial Secretary, who suggested, that the Arab and Muslim world could rise up and threaten the British Empire and therefore to prevent this, Britain had to make sure that the Jews in Palestine remained a minority.
But Menachem Begin had a different take which he set out in his 1948 book, The Revolt. This book is Begin’s reflection on the Jewish revolt against the British, which he lead. He likened this revolt to the revolt by the Maccabees against the Greeks in Second Century BCE and by the Jews against the Romans in the First Century CE and by Bar Kochba against the Romans in the Second Century. But he also foresaw a Maccabee-like victory rather than Bar Kochba-like defeat.
Begin advises that Britain had long wanted Palestine for itself well before the Balfour Declaration. When Herzl was still alive, Lord Cromer of Britain, said “When the Ottoman Empire crumbles, as sooner or later it will, we (Britain) must have Palestine.”
Britain generally had a policy of cloaking their goals with a lofty ideals, such, as in this case, giving the Jews a national home. So in furtherance of her “Master Plan” in the late Nineteenth Century she kept complaining of Turkey’s treatment of the Jews.
The best way for Britain to gain control of Palestine was to act ostensibly on behalf of the Jews. This was born out in the Balfour Declaration in 1917 in which the British Government backed the creation of a Jewish homeland in Palestine, mind you, not Palestine as the Jewish homeland. Britain would have Palestine and the Jews would have a homeland in it. Britain had no fears that too many Jews would want to come. Afterall they were not pioneers and certainly not fighters. The blueprint evolved: the Arabs when required would “revolt” against the “foreign invasion”; the Jews would be forever a threatened minority. Thus Britain would be called upon to maintain the peace. Unfortunately for them, as Robbie Burns wrote, “The best laid schemes o’ mice an’ men gang aft agley,”
Throughout the twenties and thirties the British encouraged the Arabs to “revolt”. But because of the Holocaust, the Jews kept coming. Britain in order not to lose control had to limit their entry.
Thus the Peel Commission in the late thirties recommended in a White Paper that only 75,000 Jews more, be allowed into Palestine by 1944. The Jews had to be kept to a minority at all costs. In fact Hitler’s Final Solution played into their hands as there would be less Jews left to emigrate to Eretz Yisroel. The British spin machine went into overdrive and overtime. “Afterall, couldn’t let German spies into Palestine, could we.”
During this period, the Jewish leadership followed a policy of self-restraint known as “havlagah”. But Vladiimir Jabatinsky, the founder of Betar, would have none of it. He preached resistance and revolt until his death in 1940. Out of his teachings was born the Jewish underground army The Irgun and another underground group, Fighters for Freedom of Israel which later became known as the The Stern Gang after their slain leader.
In early 1944 The Irgun declared war on Britain demanding an “immediate transfer of power to a Provisional Hebrew Government” and announced a call to arms for all Jews. The British reaction amounted to, “What chutzpah!”.
Shortly thereafter, the revolt brought about the neutralization of the Arab factor. They ceased to do the British bidding. Only after the British announced that they were leaving Palestine and the Arab countries declared war on the future Jewish state did the local Arabs return to their attacks.
Britain expected that the Stern Gang and The Irgun would fight them and maybe even the Haganah would join in. They were confident they would crush them just as the Romans crushed the Jews 2000 years earlier. They would force the Jewish leaders to collaborate and hunt them down just like the Nazis did. They planned to get the support of the US for their plan arguing it was necessary to prevent Russian expansion into the Middle East. All this was set out in a document marked “Secret” prepared by the British “Cairo Bureau” which came into the hands of The Irgun.
The revolt depended on the willingness of the Jews to fight to the death. And they were not found wanting. According to Begin, but for the revolt, the state of Israel would not have come into existence. According to Ben Gurion, who usually opposed Begin, but for him the state would not have survived the war waged by the Arab counties after the state was declared. They were both right. Begin had forced Britain out and Ben Gurion had prepared Israel to defend itself by building an army and keeping the country unified.
A month before the State of Israel was declared, The Irgun and others, attacked Deir Yassin, an Arab village. There is much dispute on the numbers killed. Wikipedia reports
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The massacre became a pivotal event in the Arab-Israeli conflict for its demographic and military consequences.</strong> The narrative was embellished and used by various parties to attack each other—by the Palestinians to besmirch Palestine’s Jewish community, and later Israel; by the Haganah to play down their own role in the affair; and later by the Israeli Left to accuse the Irgun and Lehi of violating the Jewish principle of “tohar hanashek” (purity of arms), thus blackening Israel’s name around the world.[6] News of the killings sparked terror within the Palestinian community, encouraging them to flee from their towns and villages in the face of Jewish troop advances, and it strengthened the resolve of Arab governments to intervene, which they did five weeks later by invading Palestine, following Israel’s declaration of independence on May 14.[2]
Begin advises that it was a very important military target and that the fighting was fierce. He adds;
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Yet the hostile propaganda disseminated throughout the world, deliberately ignored the fact that the civilian population of Deir Yassin was actually given a warning by us before the battle began. One of our tenders carrying a loud speaker was stationed at the entrance of the village and it exhorted, in Arabic, all woman and children and aged to leave their houses and to take shelter on the slope of the hill. By giving this humane warning our fighters threw away the element of complete surprise, and thus increased their own risk in the ensuing battle.
Many, though not all, heeded the advice.
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Our men were compelled to fight for every house; to overcome the enemy they used large numbers of hand grenades. The civilians who had disregarded our warnings, suffered inevitable casualties.
Because the Arabs called Deir Yassin, a Jewish atrocity, where have we heard that recently, Begin stressed,
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The education which we give our soldiers throughout the years of the revolt was based on the observance of the international laws of war. We never broke them unless the enemy first did so and thus, forced us, in accordance with the accepted custom of war, to apply reprisals.
The exaggerations by the Arabs of the event for propaganda purposes contributed greatly to the flight of perhaps 500,000 to 700,000 Arabs from Palestine. This flight and the expulsion of 800,000 Jews from Arab countries, contributed greatly to establishing a Jewish majority.
The US is now the big power in the ME and she is following Britain’s Master Plan. The US wants Israel to be shrunk but not exterminated.[See The conspiracy to Shrink Israel] Thus the US will be needed to protect them. To this end she trains Fatah and keeps Hamas alive. The Saudis also depend on them for protection.
It was a standard technique of the Brits to set up a Commission of Inquiry in response to violence, riots etc. As Begin reports,
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“These Commissions had the added psychological advantage of appearing as impartial adjudicators emphasizing and re-emphasizing that there were two conflicting “rights” in Palestine, and thus underlying the need for a permanent presence in Palestine of the Mandatory Power as a third and deciding party.”
The most significant Commission was the Peel Commission set up in response to British instigated violence which recommended a limitation of Jewish immigration.
The US uses the same technique. In response to the Second Intifada after the failure of Camp David, the US sent Sen. Mitchell to Israel to investigate the violence, and wouldn’t you know it, he recommended a settlement freeze just as the Peel Commission recommended an immigration freeze. In both cases, Jewish rights were restricted as a result of Arab violence.
The United Nations does the same thing. As a result of Hamas rocket violence and Israeli self-defense, the UN appointed Goldstone to head a commission of inquiry. The Goldstone Report did what it was expected to do, namely, recommended Israel be tried for war crimes and perhaps crimes against humanity.
A word to the wise, beware of Inquiries.
The US is there, like Britain was there, not so much because she is needed but because she wants to be there.
Had the international community not insisted in managing the outcome of the ‘67 war, there would now be peace in the Middle East.
Ben Gurion: Was a Jewish traitor! Did’t he not expect a war in 1947? He ignored the the spiraling violence and clear declarations of intent by Arabs? But he rushed to arm the Jewish militia only after the war was well underway. Had Ben Gurion instituted mass military training of Jews and at least procured arms, then most of the 6,000 Jews who died in that war would be alive—and would have happy children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren. Instead, Ben Gurion directed his militia to fight other Jewish groups, like ETZEL and LEHI.
Ben Gurion did not want to upset the British—even at the cost of thousands of Jewish lives. The extent of his disregard to Jewish deaths was seen in the Holocaust: Zionist leadership refused to push the Western governments for visas for Jewish refugees, bombing the death camps, or absolution of European dictators who contacted the Allies asking for personal guarantees in return for sabotaging the deportation of Jews. Most infamously, Ben Gurion and his ultra-rich Jewish friends virtually ignored the German offer to spare the entire Hungarian Jewry for a very reasonable, militarily inessential number of trucks, cocoa beans, and other dual-use goods. And yet, Ben Gurion had the audacity to persistently deride Zeev Jabotinsky as “Vladimir Hitler” even though Jabotinsky was rushing about the burning pre-war Europe trying to convince Jews to flee. The very Ben Gurion, the conspirator of silence who bears full responsibility for the Holocaust and should have been hanged alongside Eichmann, was laughing at Jabotinsky’s efforts to save Jews before the war and Hillel Kook’s efforts during it.
Ben Gurion, a complicit Nazi collaborator, took care to absolve the explicit ones. One Rudolf Kasztner, a “leader” of Hungarian Jewry, assisted the Nazis in deporting us to Auschwitz—12,000 Jews each day, every day. In recognition of his outstanding achievements in keeping the slaughtered flock quiet, the Germans allowed 1,700 of his rich protegés and friends to escape. In 1955 an Israeli court found him guilty, literally, of “selling his soul to the devil” for failing to alert the Hungarian Jews to their fate. In those years of Soviet-style totalitarian control over the judicial branch, it took great courage for the judge to issue such a verdict, especially as Kasztner was represented by the government. Three years later, the Israeli Supreme Court acquitted Kasztner, who had thankfully been killed by then; no reasonable person in Israel has the slightest doubt that Ben Gurion heavily influenced the Supreme Court.
Why do you believe this is so? What do you believe to be Americas Visible or apparent motivations and underlying hidden motivations?
During the Lebanon war, the leftists demanded that Israel pull out, thus wasting over 600 Jewish lives lost to combat the terror on our northern border. The right-wing Likud demanded that the IDF stay put in Beirut, opening itself to still more casualties. No mainstream politician had the guts to do what has to be done to secure Norththern Israel: depopulate South Lebanon.
The appeasement of gentiles, a policy brought to the fore by Golda Meir, produced bloody fruit: the IDF was instructed to save Arab lives. In practice, that meant not firing at the civilians used by the terrorists as shields, so that Jews often operated without air support and suffered heavy casualties. No doubt the gentiles were concerned with the civilian death toll. These were the very gentiles who designed blockbuster bombs to rip away the roofs so that subsequently dropped incendiary bombs could set houses on fire more reliably; fried (and rightly so) Dresdners caused no public outcry in Albion.
The establishment’s answer to massive Jewish deaths was, well and good. The Peres-Beilin-Rabin gang launched the worst war of them all, the peace process which has killed and maimed more Jews than the Yom Kippur war. To give the murder a purpose, they coined the unimaginably cynical term, “victims of the peace process.” When else in history have thousands of people died to further peace negotiations? You die to win a war, not to procure media coverage for negotiators. It is critical to understand that the dead end of the peace process is not only the Left’s business: Rabin was as right-wing as it gets, the hysterical “Mr. Security” who ordered the breaking of the hands and legs of Intifada participants. Netanyahu continued the peace process, and Lieberman never even tried repealing it while in the government.
Netanyahu is a political leftist, as that ex-business consultant believes in the cornerstone of leftism, the possibility of shaping society rather than merely going along with the traditions and waiting for them to evolve naturally.
Netanyahu’s meeting with Obama might enter the textbooks on psychiatry.
Obama showed the leftist syndrome: when a theory clashes with facts, to hell with the facts – and with the messenger. Facing rejection from Russia, Syria, and Iran, encountering mega-failures in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Lebanon Obama did not come to reevaluating his policies. Rather, he hates the inconvenient reality. In the crumbling world order, he seeks safety in the shell of his preconceptions.
Unable to defeat his enemies, Obama seeks victory on another front – against his friends. He abandoned the Eastern Europe and Central Asia to Russia, preferred democracy and Hezbollah to Saniora’s government in Lebanon, replaced Egypt as a linchpin of America’s Middle East policy with Iran, and sacrifices Israel. Obama could not further Islamists’ interests any better if he were on their payroll.
Pressed by Netanyahu, Obama actually hardened his pro-Iranian position: instead of ending at least the “first round” of negotiations by October, Psychiatrists would recognize the pattern immediately: the schizophrenic blames his troubles on the doctor and hates him. Split between theory and reality, Obama acts in a classical schizophrenic pattern.
The solution is well known: the interlocutor should not befriend the schizophrenic. Netanyahu must firmly oppose Obama instead of going along with him. Being Obama’s enemy is much safer and profitable than his friend, as the ayatollahs can testify.
Israel needs to divest politically from America. There is no longer a viable option for Israel other than political divestment.
Comment by yamit82 — September 25, 2009 @ 6:00 pm
We can all learn a lot from you. You never cease to amaze me with your knowledge.
Comment by Ted Belman — September 25, 2009 @ 6:46 pm
Which in this case is a moot point because the Jew cannot befriend the Jew hater.
On this point, Netanyahu will require assistance from Obama.
The Israeli public is emotionally dependent upon America, because absent friendship with the United States Israel faces the prospect of being an absolute pariah. The fact that the current friendship is illusory does not the negate the visceral fear of isolation.
When (not if) Obama proves himself to be the rightful philosophical heir to Heinrich Himmler, the Israeli public will finally be ready to attain independence. It should not take long for Obama to transition from being privately “fed up” with the Jews to being publicly hateful.
At that point, yamit will prevail and Israel will become a free agent, with all of the positives and negatives that status entails.
Comment by ayn reagan — September 26, 2009 @ 2:46 am
I am glad someone told me the light on Google went out. I was only getting part of the Israpundit web page most of the day. I figured maybe Ted didn’t pay the light bill and they shut the program down. I am pretty smart guy, it only took me 1/2 day to figure I ought to try Firefox to log on. I am proud of myself. Yeah
Comment by rongrand — September 26, 2009 @ 3:33 am
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ayn that’s pretty much how I see it going down as well. I think Hussein will do his part it’s always been BB who has me worried.
The transition from adolescence to adulthood can be a traumatic event, especially if you are thrown out of the house by your parents . Positives and negatives , you bet!
Comment by yamit82 — September 26, 2009 @ 8:09 am
Doubtless Yamit brings a depth of knowledge of the span of Jewish history that few contributors to Israpundit possess. That said, one should be very cautious in accepting Yamit’s historical and current events treatises holus bolus, for he has incorporated his spun observations and conclusions into his writings.
A case in point, being one of the more extreme spins and conclusions he offers is his statement:
Another more extreme assessment of Israeli leaders acting deliberately to harm Israelis, include:
Yamit has similarly demonized Netanyahu, here and worse elsewhere.
Yamit takes his acidly soured views of Israeli leaders to extremes when he speaks critically of Israeli leaders in the 20th and now 21st century.
Yamit’s seemingly almost consistent negative and scathing views of Israel and her leaders, past and present appear to derive from his singular belief that tolerates no exceptions, as to what Israel should have been and what Israel can yet become if only Israeli leaders had done, do and will do what Yamit believes is necessary in order that his vision of Israel is realized. Any Israeli leader who by word or deed strays from his views in that regard, earns Yamit’s derisive assessment.
Yamit closes his comment #1 with one of his theme positions that:
Ayn makes the astute observation that:
Add to that the point that every nation seeks out alliances on a number of levels, including alliances for support against adversaries and enemies. To this extent nations emulate human nature that compels all of us to seek out love, companionship, friendships and even support when we need help personally or help to convince others to our point of view.
It is this aspect of human nature that drives not only people, but nations that Yamit ignores and Ayn forgets when she suggests that all it will take for Israel to sever her ties of dependance on the U.S., is for Pres. Obama to prove himself the devil’s emmissary.
Pres. Obama, though leaning left in his views has since assuming the Presidency shifted towards the centre, just as past Presidents coming from the right have shifted to the centre. The centre is where the largest support for their Presidency is found and it is to the centre that Presidents look and appeal to in order to win a 2nd term.
Without minimizing concerns Israel and Jews should have with Pres. Obama and concerns that should be raised and Pres. Obama challenged on, Israel is far too deeply dependent on America and the good will of Americans to sever ties with America in at least the short term.
If Pres. Obama proves he less a friend of Israel then he is considered by many today, rest assured barring unforseen circumstances the American public will still solidly support Israel, even if those statistical numbers of support should lessen somewhat.
Further, take note that Pres. Obama’s Middle East policies and views on Israel and the 2 state solution have pretty much taken a back seat to the news coverage regarding his economic policies, his stimulous package, his health care reform and his foreign policy initiatives with allies, “friends”, competitors and adversaries supposedly sharing some common interests vis a vis America’s enemies and the problems Pres. Obama is having on all those fronts.
The likelihood is that if Pres. Obama continues to only prove he took on far more then he can chew and American prestige as well as Americans continue to suffer for that, Pres. Obama’s chances of winning a second term will continue to dim.
It is also likely that if Pres. Obama continues to follow in Carter’s footsteps, he will fail as Carter did and the next President likely will reverse course to avoid the pitfalls Pres. Obama has and hopefully will continue to fall into. One of those pitfalls likely will be setting himself against Israel, which new President will likely sweep into office on a more pro-Israel stance, but again the main issue that will win a new President office will be on domestic issues.
It seems that those who are against Pres. Obama and want to keep him from winning office a second time, should focus on Pres. Obama’s weakest spots. As I said, his views on Israel, at least for now are not the key issues riling Americans and opposition to him and his Democratic party.
In conclusion, while I disagree with Yamit and Ayn that Israel sever her ties with America, I do believe it in Israel’s interests to cut some of those ties to be less dependent on America, to replace those ties with alliances with other nations and at the same time assert greater independence overall.
Actually, Israel appears to have been making that effort and those efforts continue.
Comment by Bill Narvey — September 28, 2009 @ 9:15 pm
There are the facts corroborated by historical evidence and then there is revisionist history. I seek only the truth of the evidence at hand and draw conclusions some personal and some not. There is nothing holus bolus in my statement as I am prepared to back them up against anything you can throw at me. This is not personal arrogance just confidence of the truth of the facts as I remit in my comments. On occasion I have been challenged on my facts and I have accepted gratefully corrections. I have even one or twice apologized for my errors. It’s not an ego thing with me as it seems to be with you. The subjects at hand are not about me or about you.
If any statement I have made re: leaders of Israel past or present are not true or that I have factually presented them in error please correct them or keep silent about my holus bolus overview of our past and present history and understanding of events. I could be in error but if so show where, if you can?
This is an absolute necessity for our survival. Notice I said political and not economic. I am prepared for Israel to purchase weapons from America as needed but purchase with our money and not as aid or gifts unless the restrictions on us place either political dependence or have untenable restrictions on them.
Knowing full well that no Israeli leader will downgrade or break the political bonds that tie Israel to America, I am counting on Obama to do the job for us. Going cold turkey is a tough call but one that must be suffered for our own good
(Our survival may depend on it)
Spoken as a true atheist and one who has no faith in the Jewish people.
One of the secrets to the Jewish survival has been our precinct good fortune or collective common sense in latching on to the ascending empires of history. America is a descending empire and will be replaced. Our ultimate interests are to go with Americas replacements. Not as allies as we will have none to defend us but politically and economically.
You and even Ted remind me of Orwellian Group think: The signal features of the New World Order described by George Orwell in his prescient novel, 1984 are the re-writing and forgetting of history overseen and demanded by the State as the price of each subject’s survival. Acquiescence to a society organized around chronic war in which last year’s enemy becomes this year’s ‘eternal’ friend is achieved by media made a branch of government, the Ministry of Newspeak. No other news sources are permitted. Books have been burned or sequestered. Memory is the ultimate “thought-crime.” Each person must practice “double think,” the conscious denial and suppression of thoughts and knowledge that contradict the State’s official lies.
Complementing the distortion of the present and forgetting of the past is a steady stream of propaganda droning out of televisions and loudspeakers identifying and demonizing the enemy du jour. All workers must gather for a “daily hate” that displaces thought by emotion, makes hysteria habitual and allows employers and sensitivity trainers to observe and punish inadequate zealotry and conformity.
The result is that “the past was erased, the erasure was forgotten, the lie became truth.”
“the lie becomes truth.” THE TRUTH IS: A few hundred zealous Jews defeated the Great British Empire and threw them the hell out of our country. A few thousand largely untrained Jews some just off the Boat from Hitlers purgatory and Hell beat the crap out of 5 well equipped Armies. Then we did it again and again and again. A small island of a country with the power to blow up the world and you tell me that we need alliances to survive? You and Ted speak of our favorability ratings in the world, as if it were good today. Israel being rated in most world capitals as the #1 or #2 country most dangerous to world peace and stability. We are suffered because of our power and what we contribute to their needs. That is about the extent of it.
Note: What ever there is that is positive about Israel and that is myriad despite of my criticisms, what we have accomplished that is positive was largely accomplished in spite of our less than positive leadership but because we Israeli Jews are made of special stuff and we are smart, resilient and proud of ourselves and our accomplishments. We survived quite well without America for the first critical 26 years of our statehood.
Comment by yamit82 — September 28, 2009 @ 10:36 pm
Your not alone Uncle, there are lot of us out here who feel the same way. Israel is what it is today because of it.
It’s a hard sell for Arab terrorist to convience other Arabs these wonderful, G-d fearing, peaceful and successful Jews are bad people.
Comment by rongrand — September 29, 2009 @ 1:48 am
Yamit,confidence doesn’t = being correct. Why deny you are egotistical and arrogant. I did not accuse you of that. You protest too much.
I am no less confident in the views I express.
I do think however that you are overconfident at times to the point that you blind yourself to the worth of an opposing view or to the fact that the opposing view, often mine is superior to yours.
Your statement of facts and history, often do not add up to your conclusions, either within the very context of the facts and history you cite or by my taking into account other facts and circumstances that I know to be relevant and related to the issue at hand.
Let me give you one further example of your over reaching and penchant for extreme views and conclusions.
You say in response to my point that every nation seeks out alliances on a number of levels, including alliances for support against adversaries and enemies that:
Surely my statement should not have drawn any disagreement for I simply stated the obvious. In spite of that, you still think you have reason to take issue with my point by first calling me a “true atheist”. Now how in the world would you know that Yamit. I don’t consider myself an atheist, but one closer to being an agnostic and sometimes, briefly a believer.
Secondly, you make the broad shotgun generalized accusation that I have no faith in the Jewish people. I will admit that I have little if any faith in some Jewish people, but all of them? Come on now!
Yamit once again you have taken an indefensible position and if you refuse to see that, that just proves my point that your overconfidence blinds you to realities that do not accord with your overconfident over reached conclusions.
Finally Yamit, so long as you stick to quoting chapter and verse of bible passages, you have an advantage over me. One however you cease being the historian and assume the role of analyst, you have entered my ballpark and there I do have homefield advantage.
Comment by Bill Narvey — September 29, 2009 @ 6:52 am
Bill, please analyze the historical predictions and guidances of the Torah and its prophets.
Comment by Shy Guy — September 29, 2009 @ 3:18 pm
Yarmit’s narishkeit is contagious. It appears Shy Guy you have come down with it.
Comment by Bill Narvey — September 29, 2009 @ 3:47 pm
Ooooh! Dem’s fightin’ woyds!
In a nutshell: Yamit sees the forest for the trees. You, Bill, remain stumped.
Comment by Shy Guy — September 29, 2009 @ 3:58 pm
Cute Shy guy, but you are backing the wrong horse as they say or should I add you are backing the back end of the wrong horse.
Comment by Bill Narvey — September 29, 2009 @ 4:48 pm
You’re giving me a tough choice between a horse and what’s looking more and more like a jackass. Hmmmmm…………
Comment by Shy Guy — September 29, 2009 @ 5:03 pm
Keep digging Shy Guy. Be wary however that the hole you are digging for yourself will eventually be too deep for you to climb out of. Traditional advice to people in such circumstances is “stop digging”.
Comment by Bill Narvey — September 29, 2009 @ 5:09 pm
Dedicated to all Jackasses
“The donkey song”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaqKznArobE&feature=related
Comment by yamit82 — September 29, 2009 @ 5:43 pm
Yamit where do you find the time to come up with all these videos? Mario Lanza was one of my mom’s favorite opera singers. She and I, when I was very young, would sit together and enjoy listening to Lanza.
Though not your intention, thx anyway for the memories.
Comment by Bill Narvey — September 29, 2009 @ 5:54 pm
Dedicated to all diggers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpdtZ-Tj24M
Comment by Shy Guy — September 29, 2009 @ 6:03 pm
don’t mention it. We aim to please and occasionally even entertain
Comment by yamit82 — September 29, 2009 @ 6:48 pm