Linking Nazis with Arabs is verboten
Multi-culturalists distort Nazi past to placate Muslims in Germany
By Robin Shepherd
What happens when multi-culturalist, anti-Israeli pieties clash with a full and rounded rendition of the Nazi past? If recent events in Berlin (of all places) are anything to go by the answer may be as follows: important truths will be denied so that those multi-culturalist, anti-Israeli pieties may be preserved.
In the most important commentary on the subject for quite some time, Daniel Schwammenthal of the Wall Street Journal Europe relates a story about such events which everyone should read and internalise. It is not only shocking in itself, it holds up an image of one of Europe’s possible futures.
Schwammenthal’s piece pegs off an attempt by a German journalist, Karl Rössel, to stage an exhibition at a state funded multi-cultural centre in an Arab and Turkish dominated area of Berlin. The exhibition was entitled “The Third World in the Second World War” and included a small section on the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al Husseini — the Palestinian leader and national hero who was an admirer of Hitler, a prolific propagandist for the Nazi cause and an active recruiter for the SS in wartime Yugoslavia where he participated in genocide.
Such facts, unfortunately, do not fit with the multi-culturalist narrative in which the people of the third world can only be counted as victims. Nor do they fit with important elements of the anti-Israeli narrative in which, as Schwammenthal notes, the notion that the Palestinians are “paying the price for Germany’s sins” as “the second victims” of the Holocaust is deeply rooted. The event was, therefore, cancelled. The Berlin authorities initially supported the decision but then belatedly and reluctantly backed down following accusations they were pandering to historical revisionism.
In Schwammenthal’s words:
“Mr. Rössel [the author of the exhibition] says this episode is typical of how German historians, Arabists and Islam scholars deny or downplay Arab-Nazi collaboration. What Mr. Rössel says about Germany applies to most of the Western world,where it is often claimed that the mufti’s Hitler alliance later discredited him in the region. Nothing could be further from the truth. In the Mideast, Nazis were not only popular during but also after the war—scores of them found refuge in the Arab world, including Eichman’s deputy, Alois Brunner, who escaped to Damascus. The German war criminals became trusted military and security advisers in the region, particularly of Nazi sympathizer Gamal Nasser, then Egypt’s president. The mufti himself escaped to Egypt in 1946. Far from being shunned for his Nazi past, he was elected president of the National Palestinian Council. The mufti was at the forefront of pushing the Arabs to reject the 1948 United Nations partition plan and to wage a “war of destruction” against the fledgling Jewish state. His great admirer, Yasser Arafat, would later succeed him as Palestinian leader.
“The other line of defense is that Arab collaboration with the Nazis supposedly wasn’t ideological but pragmatic, following the old dictum that “the enemy of my enemy is my friend.” This “excuse” not only fails to consider what would have happened to the Jews and British in the Mideast had the Arabs’ German friends won. It also overlooks the mufti’s and his followers’ virulent anti-Semitism, which continues to poison the minds of many Muslims even today.”
But not, it seems, if you listen to the BBC or read the Guardian or most other bien pensant organs of the media in western Europe. The inconvenient truths about Arab and Muslim anti-Semitism must be denied even if this means providing a distorted picture of the Holocaust and its participants and collaborators.
The other significant part of this story, of course, is that the furore arose in large part because of the location of the planned exhibition in an area dominated by Muslims. But since any discussion of potential problems arising from Europe’s soaring Muslim populations has been a priori designated as “racist” by multi-culturalist ideologues, that issue cannot be properly discussed either.
I’m afraid that this is the way things are going in modern Europe. And, be warned, this is just the start of it.
For a broader discussion of such issues as they relate to Israel, click here to purchase my recently published book, A State Beyond the Pale: Europe’s Problem with Israel:
Copies of that picture ought to be pasted all over London… for a start.
Sorry – other thread, but linked nonetheless…
Jews Should remember:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bjY6L_MUkY&NR=1
And get the hell out of Europe while the getting is good. On the other hand those who stay will get what they deserve./
It should be verboten in the title, not verbotten. Great article, though!
Israel is in Wests current crosshair target because Israel is the model of discrete nationhood with fixed borders and of law established firmly in memory and transcendent truths. Hebrew teaches that manliness (zachar) is the core of memory (zicharon) and there are no qualities the Modern State more relentlessly roots out. It reminds one of Joseph Conrad’s words at the very center of Heart of Darkness, his 1901 disquisition on the authoritarian idealism that would displace Scriptural teaching and deform our century. “Reckless without hardihood, greedy without audacity, cruel without cunning, there was not an atom of foresight or serious intention in the lot of them.”
The leaders of the New Age are as feckless as they are fierce, as cynical as they are self-righteous. They believe in nothing and they will bequeath nothing but tyranny and violence to a world they are reducing to an impoverished village, a new primitivism marked by the image of a Orwellian boot crushing a human face. Do not wonder then that today’s pioneers of revolutionary progress and virtue sponsor the Muslims and the worlds tyrants.
Narvey your conceptual understanding re: Jews and Israel is without foundation.
Jews wake up before it’s too late 1938 revisited?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9J9ZHRJQAKc&feature=player_embedded#t=34 part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EYg3ROXlWY&NR=1 part 2
Verboten is everything that reveals the true character of Essaw. One should not forget that Yishmael could have hardly make massacres in Bosnia without the backing of Essaw.
yamit. bro. i cannot tolerate fear mongering. can’t stand it. it is counter emunah!!!!!
those videos you posted in 6 are terrible.
must thejews in galut be concerned? of course.
but to fear monger is not constructive.
i know you will probably respond with all kinds of historical evidence etc.
that is not my point.
my point is how one presents the truth.
am i concerned about worldwide antisemitism? of course.
but to counter it, to fight it, to survive and defeat it….fear mongering does not inspire that kind of strength. it does bad things to the system. it is patently unhealthy.
our strength is in torah and ahavas yisroel. we must use caution in what we present to others to not generate fear. we must generate ahavas torah, ahavas yisroel( love of torah and of ones’ fellow jew). this is our answer. along with proper show of strength (read force, military, defense etc) when necessary.
i can not get into a debate with you on this but i know you may try.
gmar chatimah tovah
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Yamit, Uncle Nahum, I may agree with bugsy only for a different reason.
I don’t care to watch (although I did) these horrible events of the past. I watch and feel helpless to do anything. I want to reach out and say STOP. They did nothing wrong to deserve this treatment. Was it fear of the intelligent and successful G-d loving people? Hitler knowing they were too smart to buy into his master plan they would be a road block that had to be removed. Sad.
On second thought, just maybe if we are reminded of what took place we can prevent it happening again and this time we can and will STOP the cruel and unacceptable treatment of anyone.
Yamit you have lost it. In another thread I stated that for reasons I can’t fathom, you go to any lengths to find any pretext, no matter what and how irrational that pretext is, to attack me. This attack is just one more example and probably the craziest example of your unremitting irrational need to attack me.
In this case, I haven’t said a thing in relation to the lead post which means I have said nothing about you. Nonetheless, you still single me out to attack me with your wildly irrational accusation that I know nothing of Jews and Israel.
What’s wrong with you Yamit? This time, you haven’t even bothered to come up with an irrational pretext to attack me.
Attacking me out of the blue Yamit is just more irrefutable proof added to the mountain of irrefutable proof you have already venomously spilled out onto these pages that you have lost all self control, perspective and reason in your obsessive compulsion to call me down.
however, the gist of the piece: how the left/liberals and multiculties can make excuses for all kinds of terrible things…and how leftspeak is the only truthspeak these days…these things are very serious. when they try to silence dissent by calling truth tellers haters, liars, etc then the truth has to be spoken even louder.
bugsy, may I ask you where you live?
What is so bad about Ovdim B’Eretz Ashur and Nidachim B’Eretz Mitzrayim?
yamit,
That didn’t take long…you already need another Day Of Atonement.
Jews who choose to live in the nations of their births do not deserve death, even if those nations are putrid. Let’s not embrace the anti-Semitism of demanding that Hebrews must be less dopey than everyone else.
The Europeans will soon learn that groveling before Muslims just gets you kicked in the teeth. The Muslims will treat the Europeans the way the Europeans have treated the Jews, and rather than defending themselves the Europeans will respond by hating Israel.
In that sense, anti-Semitism will be the death of Europe, which just goes to show that G-d has an ironic sense of humor.
It is only fear mongering as you call it if it is not based on truth. Sometimes Jews need to be shocked, awakened to the threats and peril theey face in order to take remedial actions. Forewarned is forearmed so it goes. In the 1930;s Jabotinski and a few others saw what was coming down and went from village, town and city pleading with the Jews to get the hell out of Europe when they could. They mostly laughed at him derided him, called him every vile name in the book. Your Rabbis told their flocks to stay put. They had Emunah and the Golden Calf of the Exile. G-d had other plans for them because they had false Emunah. Jews who got to Palestine were saved and none were harmed by the Nazi. Jews much like you didn’t make it they too abhorred the message and even the messengers. The Jews of Gush Katif had total Emunah and believed their false Rabbis when they were Told to sit and do nothing as G-d would never allow Sharon to remove them.
First believe in G-d and not Mitzvot, then do the Mitzvot as they are meant to be done. Most Orthodox Jews in the diaspora believe in rituals and not in G-d. You do not have the luxury or the right to pick and choose which mitzvot you will observe and which ones not.
The G-d of Israel is bringing the exile to an end. This is apparent for anyone with eyes and half a brain. Jews have the free will to choose life over death and the exile is ultimately death physically and spiritually.
If the films you reject effect one Yid to take heed and grab the first available fight to Israel I would say then it was successful in spite of your obvious discomfort and rejection of obvious truths:
It is becoming a Dangerous world for the Jews wherever they are but if you really have true Emunah, then only those Jews dwelling in the Land of Israel have G-d’s Promise of redemption.
“Next year in Jerusalem” is the proclamation that concludes our Yom Kippur prayers. Year after year, the cry echoes out in synagogues from Brooklyn to Toronto to Paris to Manchester to Moscow, Melbourne, and Mexico City. This is because the tshuva of the Jewish People can only be complete when we return to Jerusalem.
The longing of every Jew should be that, the minute he can, he should want to pack up his belongings and come to Jerusalem. Returning to Jerusalem is what our Yom Kippur tshuva is all about. Returning to Jerusalem is what Judaism is all about. According to the Torah and the Prophets of Israel, the Jewish People are to return to Jerusalem. Nothing could be clearer. We do this by saying goodbye to foreign lands and coming home to Eretz Yisrael.
There’s no reason to wait for Mashiach’s arrival. G-d has made our return to Israel possible for everyone who wants to come. Already, G-d has returned millions of Jews to Israel without Mashiach. Of course, we all hope and pray that Mashiach will come any moment now, but his coming is like icing on the cake. G-d has already worked things out so that we can come home to Israel even before Mashiach comes. This is a clear discernible reality. It is obvious for anyone who wants to open his eyes and see it.
G-d wants us to act, on our own, to make the proclamation “Next year in Jerusalem” real.
G-d has made it as easy as He can. Now it is up to us.
gmar chatimah tovah
Here is an excerpt from a lecture of Rav Tzvi Yehuda HaCohen Kook, of blessed memory, explaining to his students at the Mercaz HaRav Yeshiva in Jerusalem how it can happen that Torah-observant Jews can turn their backs on the very foundation of the entire Torah, the mitzvah of living in Eretz Yisrael.
Rav Tzvi Yehuda said that just as there are levels of Torah knowledge, there are levels of emunah – faith in G-d. There are people with great belief, and there are others of rickety belief, stemming from a mistaken understanding of the Torah.
“Emunah is certainty,” Rav Tzvi Yehuda explained. “Contrasting this is emunah stemming from philosophical inquiry alone, which can bring about a situation of partial faith. This is the false emunah, which is mentioned in the Torah in connection with the Spies.”
The Spies were the leaders of the Children of Israel who were sent ahead to spy out the Land of Israel after the Jews had departed from Egypt. They came back with a negative report, saying that while the Land itself was good, the Jews would be eaten up by the fierce inhabitants of the Land, intimating that Hashem did not have the power to protect them. Their sin caused the destruction of that generation in the wilderness and led to the destruction of the Temples and exile amongst the nations.
“Referring to their sin, the Torah says, ‘In this matter, you did not believe in the L-rd your G-d’ (Devarim, 1:32). In this matter, in not making aliyah to Israel, they did not have emunah. In other matters, they did believe. They believed, and yet they didn’t believe. This is a state of half-emunah.”
“In contrast, the foundation of faith is seen in Avraham Avinu, as it says, ‘And he had emunah in the L-rd (Bereshit, 15:6). He wasn’t a half-believer. He believed with a complete faith, with ‘emunah shlema,’ in the language of the Rambam (Thirteen Principles of Faith).
“The Spies had a deficiency in their emunah, as it says, ‘Yet you would not go up to Israel (Devarim, 1:26). You have emunah, yet in this matter of aliyah, you don’t have belief.”
“There are types of ‘Tzaddikim who don’t belief,’ as it says in the Talmud (Sotah 48B). They select and chose words of the Torah and the commandments, saying, ‘This matter is arranged properly by the Almighty. It is very nice, it pleases me, it’s easy to do, therefore I agree to abide. However, this matter is not so pleasing in my eyes.’ This approach to Torah leads to heresy.”
“In contrast to this selective Judaism comes the true approach of, ‘Everything that the L-rd said, we will do and listen’ (Shemot, 24:7) We will do it, whether it pleases us or not, whether we intellectually agree, or whether the matter is above our logic.”
“When the Torah is seen in its true light, there is no criticism of Hashem and opposition to His commandments. In place of criticism comes cleaving, harmony, and complete emunah.”
Rav Tzvi Yehuda emphasized that this piecemeal practice of Torah, as exemplified by the tragedy of the Spies, occurs when the Torah isn’t learned in the proper fashion.
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Even if there are ten thousand things wrong in the Land of Israel, it is still a commandment from the Torah to live here. This obligation applies in all generations. The mitzvah to live in the Land of Israel is totally independent of the religiousness of the government ruling here. Jews are commanded to live here whether idol worshippers rule here, or Jewish leftists, or terrifying giants, uncircumcised Philistines, or Torah Jews. Eretz Yisrael is Eretz Yisrael, independent of any other factor, and we all are commanded to live in Eretz Yisrael, as we have been from the time of our Forefathers until today.
One of the commandments of the Torah, as clearly set forth by the Ramban, is to establish Jewish sovereignty over the Land of Israel (Supplement to the Sefer HaMitzvot of the Rambam, Positive Mitzvah #4). This supreme Torah mitzvah has been accomplished in our time by the establishment of the State of Israel. In the Laws of Hanukah, the Rambam declares that we celebrate the holiday of Hanukah because Jewish sovereignty over Eretz Yisrael was returned to the Jews for over two hundred years. We celebrate the Hanukah even though most of the Hashmonite rulers that followed the Maccabees were corrupt and estranged from the Torah. In the same light, the Second Temple was considered holy, even though Herod slaughtered all of the rabbis of his time, save one, whom he merely blinded. Jewish sovereignty is Jewish sovereignty whether the king or prime minister wears tzitzit or not.
Nothing, no reason can be offered or excused as to negate the commandment for a Jew to live in the Land of Israel. Eretz Yisrael is above all governments and politicians. Just as a Jew has to eat holy food, and recite holy prayers, and perform holy acts, and observe holy days, he has to live in a holy place. There is only one holy place in the world. The Land of Israel. Not living in the Land of Israel is like not eating kosher food, and not going to shul, and not observing the holidays. Not living in the Land of Israel is much worse than ignoring these other basics of Jewish law, for living in Eretz Yisrael is the encompassing foundation of all of the Torah. Without it, a Jew can have a lifelong stock of gefilta fish in his basement, but he can’t have a Jewish king, a Sanhedrin, a shmittah year, prophecy, an Israeli air force, or a Beit HaMikdash, even in Brooklyn or Monsey, New York. He can practice a handful of personal mitzvot, but compared to Jewish life in Israel, Diaspora Judaism is Orthodox Lite at best and a rejection of G-d by rejecting his Mitzvot.
“And when they came to the lands of the nations into which they came, they profaned My holy Name, in that men said of them, ‘These are the people of the L-rd and they have gone out of His land.’”
How can this terrible disgrace be erased? Hashem Himself gives the answer: “I will sanctify My great Name, which was profaned among the nations, which you have profaned by being in the midst of them; and the nations shall know that I am the L-rd, says the L-rd G-d, when I shall be sanctified through you in their eyes. For I will take you from among the nations, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own Land” (Ezekiel, 36:20-24).
In our time, this great sanctifiction of G-d has been brought about via Medinat Yisrael. Thank G-d that it’s ours!
It is only fear mongering as you call it if it is not based on truth. Sometimes Jews need to be shocked, awakened to the threats and peril theey face in order to take remedial actions. Forewarned is forearmed so it goes. In the 1930;s Jabotinski and a few others saw what was coming down and went from village, town and city pleading with the Jews to get the hell out of Europe when they could. They mostly laughed at him derided him, called him every vile name in the book. Your Rabbis told their flocks to stay put. They had Emunah and the Golden Calf of the Exile. G-d had other plans for them because they had false Emunah. Jews who got to Palestine were saved and none were harmed by the Nazi. Jews much like you didn’t make it they too abhorred the message and even the messengers. The Jews of Gush Katif had total Emunah and believed their false Rabbis when they were Told to sit and do nothing as G-d would never allow Sharon to remove them.
First believe in G-d and not Mitzvot, then do the Mitzvot as they are meant to be done. Most Orthodox Jews in the diaspora believe in rituals and not in G-d. You do not have the luxury or the right to pick and choose which mitzvot you will observe and which ones not.
The G-d of Israel is bringing the exile to an end. This is apparent for anyone with eyes and half a brain. Jews have the free will to choose life over death and the exile is ultimately death physically and spiritually.
If the films you reject effect one Yid to take heed and grab the first available fight to Israel I would say then it was successful in spite of your obvious discomfort and rejection of obvious truths:
It is becoming a Dangerous world for the Jews wherever they are but if you really have true Emunah, then only those Jews dwelling in the Land of Israel have G-d’s Promise of redemption.
“Next year in Jerusalem” is the proclamation that concludes our Yom Kippur prayers. Year after year, the cry echoes out in synagogues from Brooklyn to Toronto to Paris to Manchester to Moscow, Melbourne, and Mexico City. This is because the tshuva of the Jewish People can only be complete when we return to Jerusalem.
The longing of every Jew should be that, the minute he can, he should want to pack up his belongings and come to Jerusalem. Returning to Jerusalem is what our Yom Kippur tshuva is all about. Returning to Jerusalem is what Judaism is all about. According to the Torah and the Prophets of Israel, the Jewish People are to return to Jerusalem. Nothing could be clearer. We do this by saying goodbye to foreign lands and coming home to Eretz Yisrael.
There’s no reason to wait for Mashiach’s arrival. G-d has made our return to Israel possible for everyone who wants to come. Already, G-d has returned millions of Jews to Israel without Mashiach. Of course, we all hope and pray that Mashiach will come any moment now, but his coming is like icing on the cake. G-d has already worked things out so that we can come home to Israel even before Mashiach comes. This is a clear discernible reality. It is obvious for anyone who wants to open his eyes and see it.
It’s like the old joke about the guy who climbs onto the roof of his house to escape the waters of the flood, and cries out for G-d to save him. When a boat comes along to rescue, he refuses, saying that he is waiting for G-d to save him. When a helicopter hovers overhead and lowers a rescue basket, he refuses to climb in, saying he is waiting for G-d to save him. After he drowns and is brought up to Heaven for Judgment, he complains that G-d didn’t save him. “Who do you think sent the rescue boat and the helicopter?” G-d asks.
G-d wants us to act, on our own, to make the proclamation “Next year in Jerusalem” real.
G-d has made it as easy as He can. Now it is up to us.
Here is an excerpt from a lecture of Rav Tzvi Yehuda HaCohen Kook, of blessed memory, explaining to his students at the Mercaz HaRav Yeshiva in Jerusalem how it can happen that Torah-observant Jews can turn their backs on the very foundation of the entire Torah, the mitzvah of living in Eretz Yisrael.
Rav Tzvi Yehuda said that just as there are levels of Torah knowledge, there are levels of emunah – faith in G-d. There are people with great belief, and there are others of rickety belief, stemming from a mistaken understanding of the Torah.
“Emunah is certainty,” Rav Tzvi Yehuda explained. “Contrasting this is emunah stemming from philosophical inquiry alone, which can bring about a situation of partial faith. This is the false emunah, which is mentioned in the Torah in connection with the Spies.”
The Spies were the leaders of the Children of Israel who were sent ahead to spy out the Land of Israel after the Jews had departed from Egypt. They came back with a negative report, saying that while the Land itself was good, the Jews would be eaten up by the fierce inhabitants of the Land, intimating that Hashem did not have the power to protect them. Their sin caused the destruction of that generation in the wilderness and led to the destruction of the Temples and exile amongst the nations.
“Referring to their sin, the Torah says, ‘In this matter, you did not believe in the L-rd your G-d’ (Devarim, 1:32). In this matter, in not making aliyah to Israel, they did not have emunah. In other matters, they did believe. They believed, and yet they didn’t believe. This is a state of half-emunah.”
“In contrast, the foundation of faith is seen in Avraham Avinu, as it says, ‘And he had emunah in the L-rd (Bereshit, 15:6). He wasn’t a half-believer. He believed with a complete faith, with ‘emunah shlema,’ in the language of the Rambam (Thirteen Principles of Faith).
“The Spies had a deficiency in their emunah, as it says, ‘Yet you would not go up to Israel (Devarim, 1:26). You have emunah, yet in this matter of aliyah, you don’t have belief.”
“There are types of ‘Tzaddikim who don’t belief,’ as it says in the Talmud (Sotah 48B). They select and chose words of the Torah and the commandments, saying, ‘This matter is arranged properly by the Almighty. It is very nice, it pleases me, it’s easy to do, therefore I agree to abide. However, this matter is not so pleasing in my eyes.’ This approach to Torah leads to heresy.”
“In contrast to this selective Judaism comes the true approach of, ‘Everything that the L-rd said, we will do and listen’ (Shemot, 24:7) We will do it, whether it pleases us or not, whether we intellectually agree, or whether the matter is above our logic.”
“When the Torah is seen in its true light, there is no criticism of Hashem and opposition to His commandments. In place of criticism comes cleaving, harmony, and complete emunah.”
Rav Tzvi Yehuda emphasized that this piecemeal practice of Torah, as exemplified by the tragedy of the Spies, occurs when the Torah isn’t learned in the proper fashion.
____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Even if there are ten thousand things wrong in the Land of Israel, it is still a commandment from the Torah to live here. This obligation applies in all generations. The mitzvah to live in the Land of Israel is totally independent of the religiousness of the government ruling here. Jews are commanded to live here whether idol worshippers rule here, or Jewish leftists, or terrifying giants, uncircumcised Philistines, or Torah Jews. Eretz Yisrael is Eretz Yisrael, independent of any other factor, and we all are commanded to live in Eretz Yisrael, as we have been from the time of our Forefathers until today.
One of the commandments of the Torah, as clearly set forth by the Ramban, is to establish Jewish sovereignty over the Land of Israel (Supplement to the Sefer HaMitzvot of the Rambam, Positive Mitzvah #4). This supreme Torah mitzvah has been accomplished in our time by the establishment of the State of Israel. In the Laws of Hanukah, the Rambam declares that we celebrate the holiday of Hanukah because Jewish sovereignty over Eretz Yisrael was returned to the Jews for over two hundred years. We celebrate the Hanukah even though most of the Hashmonite rulers that followed the Maccabees were corrupt and estranged from the Torah. In the same light, the Second Temple was considered holy, even though Herod slaughtered all of the rabbis of his time, save one, whom he merely blinded. Jewish sovereignty is Jewish sovereignty whether the king or prime minister wears tzitzit or not.
Nothing, no reason can be offered or excused as to negate the commandment for a Jew to live in the Land of Israel. Eretz Yisrael is above all governments and politicians. Just as a Jew has to eat holy food, and recite holy prayers, and perform holy acts, and observe holy days, he has to live in a holy place. There is only one holy place in the world. The Land of Israel. Not living in the Land of Israel is like not eating kosher food, and not going to shul, and not observing the holidays. Not living in the Land of Israel is much worse than ignoring these other basics of Jewish law, for living in Eretz Yisrael is the encompassing foundation of all of the Torah. Without it, a Jew can have a lifelong stock of gefilta fish in his basement, but he can’t have a Jewish king, a Sanhedrin, a shmittah year, prophecy, an Israeli air force, or a Beit HaMikdash, even in Brooklyn or Monsey, New York. He can practice a handful of personal mitzvot, but compared to Jewish life in Israel, Diaspora Judaism is Orthodox Lite at best and a rejection of G-d by rejecting his Mitzvot.
“And when they came to the lands of the nations into which they came, they profaned My holy Name, in that men said of them, ‘These are the people of the L-rd and they have gone out of His land.’”
How can this terrible disgrace be erased? Hashem Himself gives the answer: “I will sanctify My great Name, which was profaned among the nations, which you have profaned by being in the midst of them; and the nations shall know that I am the L-rd, says the L-rd G-d, when I shall be sanctified through you in their eyes. For I will take you from among the nations, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own Land” (Ezekiel, 36:20-24).
In our time, this great sanctifiction of G-d has been brought about via Medinat Yisrael. Thank G-d that it’s ours!
gmar chatimah tovah
Narvey for a lawyer you are pretty dense. My comment was not an attack on you but your conceptions, your ideas re: Jews and Israel. I made the comment because I had just read and posted a reply to you on another thread and after watching the clips after our discussion, you came to mind. Pls. excuse me for for not providing more explicit context to my comment but my comment stands.
Yamit, you are making a fool of yourself and a mess on these pages with the crap you unload here.
Sorry you feel that way, but is this the best you can come up with. Fool? Maybe, we all make fools of ourselves at times. Crap? does require some more concise explanations. What is my crap you find so offensively messy?
Yamit, insightfulness escapes you.
Can you not grasp the obvious Yamit that when you call me dense and all the other pejorative characterizations you have accused me of, that you are making a personal attack? That you persist in denying the obvious speaks poorly of you.
Your personal attacks are tedious and childish. They all stem from your inability to tolerate any view but your own. You consider it a personal affront should I or others disagree with you and you react with angry and sarcastic ad hominem attacks.
I would be offended and insulted Yamit, except that your attacks are those of an impetuous child filled with an overconfident and unquestioning sense of entitlement borne of an overblown ego.
As I have said many times before, you have much to offer Yamit, but being obsessively compelled to offer up the ad hominem crap you do to belittle me or anyone else you disagree with, only belittles you.
Grow up Yamit!
LOL!
Which lawyers do you know?
Here you are attacking me?
Can you not grasp the obvious Yamit that when you call me dense and all the other pejorative characterizations you have accused me of, that you are making a personal attack? That you persist in denying the obvious speaks poorly of you.
Narvey you are correct dense was a totally inappropriate of me to call you. There are better less offensive words I might have used like hebetudinous. LOL
Yamit,know when you are beat and you are. Give it up. Just deal with point counterpoint on the issues of mutual concern and forget about personal attacks, which do nothing to advance enlightenment and understanding.
yamit,
it is one thing to inform people, to enlighten them, to educate them. it is another to fear monger them.
do you think the nazis are coming to america? sigh. maybe. G-d forbid. but it’s possible, esp with the goon in the white house.
it could be a very lefty ‘we love you so we’re putting you in camps for your own protection temporarily’ type of move.
what will work with american jews? excellent question. your talking about 80% who voted for the goon.
aliyah is definitely required and working to get people to do it is a great thing. but i’m telling you…i don’t think fear mongering them will work. what happens with that is that people shut it out. they shut down. however, when you educate them, when you give them information that energizes their souls…then it’s different.
it is extremely difficult to talk to left/liberal american jews. hopefully, slowly they are waking up. it is very hard to counter the lack of torah education combined with leftist indoctrination.
as a former liberal/lefty who actually still has some liberal views (yikes!!!!!)….i know that those videos you posted are terrible. they don’t convince anyone. they just make people shut it off.
you have to educate them, make their minds see it…then they are more receptive. then they can shift.
i won’t even go into the thing about torah and mitzvot. c’mon yamit.
i will admit, that for some, the fear thing works. but for the majority of american jews i think a different approach is needed.
i ask all the readers at israpundit to pray for israel. please say psalms/tehilim and/or your own prayers that the israelis will soon step up and destroy iran’s nukes as well as defend against the subsequent attacks that could happen. pray for israel to return to it’s torah roots as this is our only strength. how the heck else have we made it for thousands of years??!!!
when i say ‘pray for israel’ that means the jewish people everywhere.
thank you.
yamit, you wrote in #3
And get the hell out of Europe while the getting is good. On the other hand those who stay will get what they deserve./
are you kidding me? you are blaming the victim? you are saying that the jews of the 40s got what they deserved? this is meshuga and it is extremely unhealthy for you and for am yisroel.
this is completely wrong whether it’s the 40s or now.
our job as jewish people is to bring light where it’s dark. that means: no fear mongering…this is bringing more dark. it means bringing light: education, information, enLIGHTenment in the torah sense.
you know better than this and i urge you to reconsider such a statement.
The inexplicable withdrawal of the most fundamental of Jewish books and sources from the world of the yeshiva and scholar. While the Talmud and commentaries became a central part of the House of Study, as well they should, the basis of Judaism, the Tanach (Bible) grew steadily less important, less a part of the regular curriculum, until today, the average yeshiva student is so grossly ignorant of its contents that a baptist missionary can run intellectual rings around him. I cannot comprehend the fact that the so-called Torah world simply ignores a clear halachic injunction concerning how a Jew is supposed to learn: “The age of five is for Mikra (Bible); the age of ten is for Mishna…” (Pirkei Avot 5).
While I simply cannot understand the disappearance of Tanach from the central place of learning, I certainly fathom and see, all too clearly, its effects. For if the cutting of the umbilical cord of the Land of Israel has produced such a warped loss of nationhood, at least the remembrance of that nationhood and the authenticity of Jewish life might have been retained through the study of Tanach. It is only in Tanach that we see the lives of our ancestors in normal setting. To be sure, Abraham is a spiritual figure, but here is the real Abraham who also is a shepherd, who works for his living, who fights a war to save his nephew, Lot.
Of course, David is the sweet singer of Israel, the writer of the magnificent Psalms. But in the Tanach, he appears in his loyalty, as the slayer of Goliath, the one who burns with anger at the humiliation and desecration of the name of G-d and His people Israel. He is the fighter, the warrior, the soldier in the milchemet mitzvah, war of obligation, who also writes Psalms, and who teaches us the true role model of the Jew.
Without the Tanach, how are we to know of the valiant and obligatory struggles of the Judges against their enemies, their rejection of the nonsense that “to fight is not the Jewish way”, or “one does not antagonize the nations”? When we threw away Tanach, we threw away the authenticity of Jewish nationhood. When we ignored Tanach, we ignored the fundamental centrality of the Land of Israel and all the true teachings by the Jewish leaders of its pages as to how a Jew should really behave. If it is true that Saul and David were scholars of the Sanhedrin, then a look at the pages of the Tanach tells us how a leader of the Sanhedrin, a Rosh Yeshiva, a scholar is obligated to behave in the total national sense of his Judaism.
When we ceased learning Tanach, we lost all the true Jewish concepts of power, vengeance, Kiddush Hashem in the national sense and our nationhood itself. In a sense, it was our being in the Exile that made the Tanach a foreign thing to us. And when we abandoned it, it escalated that terrible process of Jewish flight from nationhood, land and normalcy. When we understand what happened to Tanach, we will understand what happened to authentic Judaism. We can then begin to comprehend what turned us from a powerful, magnificent, proud, vigorous and sanctified Religio-Nation, into a warped and sadly confused “religion”. Rabbi Meir Kahane
it is another to fear monger them
What do you think this is?
Vayikra – Leviticus – Chapter 26:14-39
Devarim – Deuteronomy – Chapter 28
Bugsy of course I left out the most shocking verses in light of your sensitivities: Nothing in the clips you viewed can compare with what Hashem promises will befall Am Yisrael.
yamit,
it is one thing to inform people, to enlighten them, to educate them. it is another to fear monger them.
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And the Lord will scatter you among all the nations, from one end of the earth to the other, and there you will serve other deities unknown to you or your forefathers, [deities of] wood and stone.
JEWS WILL KNOW NO PEACE AMONG THE NATIONS!
Devarim – Deuteronomy – Chapter 30
To love the Lord your God, to listen to His voice, and to cleave to Him. For that is your life and the length of your days, to dwell on the land which the Lord swore to your forefathers to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob to give to them.
bugsy, you still did not answer my question: where do you live, in Israel or in Huts LaArets ?
wisdom is knowing when to stop arguing with someone who simply cannot see your point of view.
When you state an opinion especially one which you claim is based on your understanding of Judaism. It is customary to give your authority for that opinion. Otherwise how can you hope to educate the uneducated to the correctness of your statements of opinion. Since when are machlochot stopped because of opposition to ones point of view?
please see #30
kol tuv
bugsy, since you do not want to answer my question, so I have another question for you: are you really afraid that Yamit’s observations could irritate other people or are you rather irritated yourself for one or another reason ?