Trump’s daughter converts to Judaism and gets married.
Ivanka Trump marries again
BANG) -Ivanka Trump wed Jared Kushner for the second time in three days on Wednesday (28.10.09).
The 27-year-old heiress and the publisher - who married for the first time in a lavish ceremony at her father Donald’s Trump National Golf Club in New Jersey on Sunday (25.10.09) - held a second Jewish ceremony in New York’s historic Puck Building.
Known as Sheva Brachot, the ceremony featured a rabbi reciting seven blessings over the bride and groom.
Ivanka’s brother Eric Trump said: “It was really beautiful. They are a very beautiful couple.”
Her mother Ivana added: “It was fabulous and very elegant. A beautiful event for the young couple.”
The bride - who converted to Judaism in July - wore a champagne-coloured floor-length gown to the ceremony.
Afterwards, Jared’s parents Seryl and Charles Kushner provided a buffet of traditional kosher food as well as hamburgers, hotdogs, steak sandwiches, sushi and salad.
For dessert, guests dined on chocolate cake, raspberry sorbet, brownies and an array of sweets.
One guest told People magazine: “They had some really incredible food. It was all very well done.”
Ivanka and Jared - who owns The New York Observer newspaper - had dated on and off for two years before he proposed in July.
Something’s not Jewish here.
???? ???? ?????? ????? - [insincere] converts are as painful to [the nation of] Israel as leprosy
Comment by Shy Guy — November 1, 2009 @ 4:11 pm
Time to take the gloves off…
What exactly do you mean by that?
How do you know she’s an “insincere” convert? Who are you to judge? How do you define a “sincere Jew”?
If you look at Jewish history - and I got another good dose of that when I visited the Dead Sea Scrolls exhibit - you’ll see how impossible it was, even then, to satisfy everyone as to what constituted a Jew, let alone a “good Jew”. As a result the Jews were so busy killing each other that they neglected to look over their shoulders at the enemy weighing things up and waiting for them to exhaust themselves. We know what happened after that.
And despite that, people like yourself are promoting infighting because of your “holier than thou” attitude. You see yourselves as the “only” true Jews, while actively working against people who love Judaism but who don’t toe the line that you and others like you have defined.
I believe your attitude is slowly killing Judaism…
Comment by keelie — November 1, 2009 @ 5:13 pm
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It isn’t mine per se.
But I believe your attitude is what’s helped 60% or so of world Jewry assimilate and a big chunk of that being lost forever.
If you don’t know what’s un-Jewish about having 2 wedding ceremonies, with the “Jewish” one coming second, then you’re already half-way in the wrong direction. Actually, having 2 ceremonies, regardless of their order, is indicative of something very un-Jewish.
That was your idea of taking gloves off? Sheesh!
Comment by Shy Guy — November 1, 2009 @ 5:26 pm
Anyone who takes the trouble to convert to Judaism is OK in my book especially when Jews are so hated and vilified around the world.
Comment by Ted Belman — November 1, 2009 @ 6:17 pm
She’s OK in my books, too - to a limit.
But being OK doesn’t equate being Jewish. It never has.
And I am not saying that Ivanka Trump is not considered Jewish. However, from the news article you posted, it would appear that instead of strengthening Judaism, this couple might continue leading itself and its future generations into the oblivion of the assimilated and non-Jewish world.
Chazal say “Who is wise? He who sees the consequences [of current events].” Ted, Take such a couple as an example, pretend the year is 1885 and the place is Pittsburgh. Now, fast forward to 2009 to see what’s become of their descendants and anything of their past “Jewish” affiliation.
Comment by Shy Guy — November 1, 2009 @ 6:46 pm
It’s my understanding that there was one ceremony and 2 receptions.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/ivanka_trump_weds_jared_kushner_M5uEC909kevv4ojDwGwHhJ
She has been dating Kushner, 28, the publisher of the New York Observer and son of billionaire real-estate mogul Charles, for more than two years — and converted to Judaism in order to join his family.
Extensive security kept back onlookers at the Trump National Golf Course, but Ivanka has kept her 400,000 followers on Twitter abreast of every detail from her engagement to her rehearsal dinner.
“Truly the happiest day of my life,” she posted of her July 16 engagement.
Though her family is known for its over-the-top spectacles, Ivanka said some events are best kept low-key.
“At a very casual ‘rehearsal’ dinner with friends,” she posted Saturday, “just 5 of my lady friends and me having a casual dinner and getting excited. Perfect!”
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Mozel Tov! Ivonka Trump and Jared Kushner Wed
B”H
May you be blessed among the children of Israel. May your life be filled with Simcha! May you have many children, and may they grow in Torah!
I would love to see a picture of the chuppah! I’m sure it is soooo beautiful.
May her very public transformation encourage the critics of Rabbi Lookstein to see conversion as a beautiful thing which brings glory to the Jewish nation and not as something sinister and suspicious.
May her very public wedding and her very public life give impetus to fashion designers to begin seeing beauty in modesty and designing clothes that flatter the female form without revealing too much. (I am so sick of dresses that are either missing the top or bottom, or look like I’m wearing a berka).
Have a beautiful life, Ivonka and Jared!
M http://israeljewishnews.blogspot.com/2009/10/mozel-tov-ivonka-trump-and-jared.html
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Shy re: ???? ???? ?????? ????? - [insincere] converts are as painful to [the nation of] Israel as leprosy
First of all I am willing to give most converts al pi Halacha the benefit of the doubt as they don’t have to go through the difficult process.
Re: Rav Avineir, After his …….Performance re: to Gush Katif and Amona, I have mixed opinions about him.
He recently had this to say as well and this I agree with 100%
Rabbi Aviner Strikes at the Heart of Holocaustism, Forbids Visiting Holocaust Murder Scenes and Rewarding Polish Conspirators With Parnassah
B”H
I am so happy that someone said this. Thank G-d it was also a well-known Rabbi.
I’m sure he will be roundly attacked by all of those Jews who have replaced their Judaism with “Holocaustism.”
The Jews who practice Holocaustism are Jews who have replaced the mitzvot of Shabbat, Kashrut, and Family Purity with “Holocaust Studies,” and the “March of the Living” to Poland.
They draw their identity from the deaths of others rather than the living Torah. They mourn the loss in Europe, but they vote for the destruction of Jewish homes in Israel.
They are the completion of Hitler’s plan, but they don’t know it. This is the sadness. They have given up on G-d. They have forgotten the beauty and the happiness of living as a Jew and they have replaced it with a memory of death and tragedy. They have stopped being Jews.
Every time a Jew violates Shabbat—Hitler has won.
Every time a Jew eats non-Kosher food—Hitler has won.
Every time a Jew fights against Israel’s right to exist—Hitler has won.
Every time a Jew marries a non-Jew—Hitler has won.
Every time a Jew forgets the obligation of Prayer—Hitler has won.
If one wants to remember the Holocaust, there are better ways to remember it—like remember to BE a JEW.
The things I like about Rabbi Aviner’s statement are threefold.
First, I like that he said that we should be in Israel and should not leave the land unless we are performing a Mitzvah. Although I am not in Israel, I still recognize the significance of being in Israel and the importance of remaining in the land. I look forward to the day I will join my brothers and sisters there, and I love that my husband and I have helped others to realize this dream.
Second, I love how he has clarified that THE HOLOCAUST IS NOT A MITZVAH. Yes, we must remember it. Yes, we must demand others remember it. However, that memory is not for the purpose of establishing a new mitzvah (G-d forbid), or establishing a new religion (G-d forbid), but because we need to remember and demand that others remember so that such a horrific event never happens again.
Yes, I understand that we must honor the memories of those who perished, but what better way than to remember them, light a candle for them, pray for them from the heart of Israel? We don’t go to the spot where someone was murdered to honor them, that would be–and is–disrespectful to their memory.
Lastly, I love what he said because he has made the case that we should not support those who would make money off of the tragedy of lost Jewish lives.
These people, and their parents and their grandparents stood by and watched Jews die. Sometimes they did the murders themselves. They were complicit in the genocide. Now, they stand at the same gates that swallowed our people, and they perpetuate the evil—pretending that this place of murder is a shrine to their memories. Would I want such a shrine to my memory? Never. G-d forbid that a Nazi death camp should become a shrine! This is Idol Worship of the worst sort!!
These Polish tour guides, trinket sellers, and vendors are worse than carrion eaters. At least the animals who eat carrion stop when the bones are gone. These Poles never stop. They eat from the very souls of those they helped to kill. They are below the bottom.
Thank you, Rabbi Aviner! You said it. You are courageous and smart. You are honest and truthful.
M http://israeljewishnews.blogspot.com/2009/02/rabbi-aviner-strikes-at-heart-of.html
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Rabbi Aviner: Visiting Nazi death camps forbidden
Prominent Zionist rabbi says leaving Land of Israel not for sake of mitzvah banned, as is helping Poles – who collaborated with Nazis – make living out of death camps
Kobi Nahshoni
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3675990,00.html
Comment by yamit82 — November 1, 2009 @ 6:58 pm
Yep. Then my first comment is wrong, based on the original article’s double wedding misinformation.
I do, however, not retract my response to Ted, with regard to a blanket statement about people in general who “take the trouble to convert to Judaism”.
Comment by Shy Guy — November 1, 2009 @ 7:26 pm
Again, there you go making assumptions - this time about me - that are fundamentally without basis. I happen to agree with Ted in that people who take the trouble to convert to Judaism ought to be regarded as “OK”, and thus offered respect.
Most of the converts I know are far better Jews than the “originals” if I can make a judgment as to what constitutes a “better” Jew.
I have experiences of the behaviour of “original” Jews that fill me with disgust, and I will support people who convert with every means possible. If that makes me a “bad” Jew then so be it. Even “bad” Jews can fight to support Jewish survival.
It seems to me that most people have forgotten - or simply ignore - what made the original Jews, Jews. Or should I say, what it was that made Abraham what he was - without the benefit of scholars who insist on the exclusivity of Jewishness. Perhaps we should ask ourselves, “What would Abraham have done?” every time we are perplexed by questions such as conversion. After all, his wives were not “Jewish”. And neither was Moses’ wife. It’s obvious (at least to me) that we have to stop our reflexive response to such things and seriously consider our origins; what made our forefathers so different? We also have to consider what we Jews represent now, other than being eaters of kosher food, buyers of double-kitchen sinks, and wearers of kippot.
Comment by keelie — November 1, 2009 @ 10:09 pm
If you don’t want people to make mistaken assumptions about you, write in greater detail. However, your trashing of Jews and Judaism I read in the rest of your post seem to place my assumptions pretty much on the mark.
Comment by Shy Guy — November 1, 2009 @ 10:19 pm
Hitler is dead!!!! We should ponder on the significance of that; and on what life and death really mean. This the essence of religion…
I don’t recognize the authority of the various rabbis in any respect. Yes, they have studied a great deal, and yes, they have much to say, but getting such second-hand opinions is of little consequence. I agree with one or two things he says, but in general, I do not. Perhaps if people were a little more circumspect - thinking within themselves - they would gain a great deal more than by quoting various rabbinical sources, and this would strengthen Judaism greatly.
Comment by keelie — November 1, 2009 @ 10:19 pm
Rhetoric.
Comment by Shy Guy — November 1, 2009 @ 10:24 pm
In my long life, most experiences regarding conversions to Judaism, the recipient became a more devout Jew than the mate. In this case I look at it this way, it was better to have this nice wealthy beautiful lady become Jewish than for her husband to become Christian. I can not stand hypocrits like Shy Guy. Is there anything in the Torah to prove his point?
Comment by Ed D — November 1, 2009 @ 10:54 pm
Anyone who has studied Halacha knows that converts are considered by G_d to be somewhat MORE Jewish than those that were merely born as Jews. Congratulations to Ivanka. She made a great choice and real Jews love and embrace her.
Comment by gagalbert — November 1, 2009 @ 11:03 pm
I can think of one progeny of a Jewish convert that soured the Jews on the idea for the last 2000 years. A Chap by the name of HEROD!
Comment by yamit82 — November 1, 2009 @ 11:14 pm
Then if you were trying a case in a Canadian court you would never I suppose search for relevant precedents to your case and obtain the most knowledgeable attorney. If you god forbid needed brain surgery you would not seek our the most proficient and knowledgeable Surgeon? Would you fly on a plane with a pilot knowing it was his first flight and he learned from just reading books over the INTERNET?
A real rabbi has the experiences and knowledge of 3000 years of others experiences and their commentaries and debates and virtually every subject conceivable and then some. Add to that a responsa of tens of thousands of great minds over the last 1000 years, there is nothing comparable to this in the world in anything. Even your great Zen Masters concur with this.
Comment by yamit82 — November 1, 2009 @ 11:29 pm
Nope - right off the mark. I ***never*** trash Jews and Judaism. I only trash those who show arrogance “on behalf of” Judaism, and who as a result of their arrogance feel that it isn’t necessary to show respect to those who aren’t “pure” Jews. I went down this road a long time ago when I was a young lad; I simply couldn’t see anything “superior” in the people who professed to be “far better” than converts to Judaism.
OK… one guy with a great deal of clout. But what of the unknown converts (of which there have been very many) that had positive influence?
Let me acknowledge at this stage, the posts by Ed D and gagalbert.
Comment by keelie — November 2, 2009 @ 4:25 am
Yamit - I’m surprised at you!!!
We’re not talking about courts of law or flying aeroplanes…
The knowledge in the minds of the eminent rabbis is not (as you imply) the knowledge of God; it is the knowledge of their own human experience and the history of others’ experiences, viewed and explained often with great wisdom. But aside from that, the words do little real good to their recipients; the chances are that the recipient will be unable to change his (or her) own fundamental nature. Great rabbis provide us with temporary comfort; feel-good moments, and by doing so they allow us to avoid undertaking the inner search that is required for any “spiritual improvement”… or perhaps it’s better to call it “spiritual movement”.
And ***My*** great Zen Masters, as you call them, have nothing to do with this. In fact there is no such thing as a Zen Master. In fact there is really no such thing as Zen; it’s just a word. Whatever this so-called Zen is (for want of a better word), it is fully compatible with Judaism… real Judaism; call it Abrahamic Judaism if you like. It is not in conflict with Judaism, but despite that, it has the capability of making many so-called orthodox Jews extremely angry, because it doesn’t tie in with their accepted viewpoints, usually based on history, tradition, and superstition… And it questions the validity of everything.
Comment by keelie — November 2, 2009 @ 4:49 am
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Comment by Ted Belman — November 2, 2009 @ 7:40 am