Fort Hood Massacre: What Part of “Allahu Akbar” Do We Not Understand?
Could Uniform Code of Military Justice have prevented the Fort Hood Massacre?
by Bill Levinson
Barack Obama warns about “jumping to conclusions” about the motivations of alleged mass murderer and terrorist Nidal Malik Hasan, but there is no part of “Allahu akbar!” that we did not understand. We add that the 9/11 hijackers, with whom Nidal Malik Hasan allegedly corresponded, did not chant “Shma Yisrael,” “Hare Krishna,” or “Jesus Saves” when they murdered almost three thousand innocent people in 2001. Although very few people who call themselves Muslims are terrorists, almost every terrorist on earth–Timothy McVeigh was an exception–calls himself a Muslim even though few genuine Muslims would do so. (The fact that most Palestinians approve of suicide bombings simply underscores the fact that their version of “Islam” is a murderous death cult. It is no more of a religion than what Jim Jones of Jonestown practiced, and the same goes for any country that stones women to death.) Most victims of mindless Islamic supremacist violence, spectacular examples like the Fort Hood massacre, the Mumbai Massacre, and 9/11 to the contrary, are in fact Muslims.
It turns out that Nidal Malik Hasan’s alleged conduct prior to the shooting should in fact have allowed his removal from the Armed Forces under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, specifically the part about “Disloyal Statements.”
Members of the Armed Forces do not enjoy the First Amendment rights of civilians. As an example, it would have been a violation for General David Petraeus to answer Senator Hillary Clinton in kind (and as she would have richly deserved) when she effectively accused him of lying during his testimony to the Senate. It is also a violation of the UCMJ to express public disloyalty to the United States, even if civilian “Muslims” are free to call for the overthrow of democracy and institution of Sharia law.
The UCMJ states,
Elements.
(1) That the accused made a certain statement;
(2) That the statement was communicated to another person;
(3) That the statement was disloyal to the United States;
(4) That the statement was made with the intent to promote disloyalty or disaffection toward the United States by any member of the armed forces or to interfere with or impair the loyalty to the United States or good order and discipline of any member of the armed forces; and
(5) That, under the circumstances, the conduct of the accused was to the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces or was of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces.
Explanation.
Certain disloyal statements by military personnel may not constitute an offense under 18 U.S.C. §§ 2385, 2387, and 2388, but may, under the circumstances, be punishable under this article. Examples include praising the enemy, attacking the war aims of the United States, or denouncing our form of government with the intent to promote disloyalty or disaffection among members of the armed services. A declaration of personal belief can amount to a disloyal statement if it disavows allegiance owed to the United States by the declarant. The disloyalty involved for this offense must be to the United States as a political entity and not merely to a department or other agency that is a part of its administration.
Maximum punishment.
Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for 3 years.
It may be noted that the maximum punishment need not have been imposed; if the Armed Forces had wanted to get rid of this individual without going to extremes, he could have been offered a general or even honorable discharge while being confronted with a court-martial as the alternative. The following alleged statements by Nidal Hasan would seem to qualify as “disloyal.” See also Pamela Geller’s article.
“Malik Nadal Hasan, the jihadi that led the attack on Fort Hood, was quoted as saying “Muslims have the right to rise up against the US military” “Muslims have a right to stand up against the aggressors” “maybe we should have more of these where people strap bombs on themselves and go into Times Square” - this according to Col Terry Lee who worked with Muslim convert.
Troubling Portrait of Suspect Emerges adds,
- Finnell said Hasan told classmates he was “a Muslim first and an American second.”
On the other hand, the following alleged conduct by another soldier who, at the time of this alleged action, had no reasonable cause to believe that Hasan was anything but a loyal fellow service member, also must be denounced as part of the problem. This alleged act of harassment and vandalism was directed toward an actual (alleged) terrorist only through sheer luck; nine times out of ten, it would have been harmed an innocent and loyal American.
- The manager of the complex, John Thompson, said the other soldier, John Van de Walker, allegedly keyed Hasan’s car and also removed and tore up a bumper sticker that read “Allah is Love.” Thompson said Van de Walker had been in Iraq and was upset to learn that Hasan was Muslim.
“Allah is Love” is not disloyal to the United States, and it is part of civilized versions of Islam just as “Jesus is Love” is central to genuine Christianity. Statements like these must be separated very clearly from some of the things terrorists, conquerors, and Inquisitors have done in the name of Allah and Jesus.
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allah is hate.
Comment by Laura — November 13, 2009 @ 12:15 am
Re: #2
Militant “Muslims” who invoke the name of Allah to justify their murderous crimes are hate, just as “Christians” who burned Jews and the wrong “kinds” of Christians as heretics had nothing to do with anything that Jesus taught.
In the case of Islam, Mohammad did indeed preach and advocate violence, but civilized versions of Islam have evolved over Mohammad’s version much as we have evolved over our primate ancestors. Modern Islam is the homo sapiens, and militant “Islam” is the knuckle-dragging ape from which it evolved.
Comment by Bill Levinson — November 13, 2009 @ 1:53 am
newsflash on xnity, bill.
“the history and literature of antisemitism” by leon poliakov is a good one for starters.
what is it about xnity that would motivate 2000 years of blood, jewish blood in particular, culminating in the holocaust which was aided by islamic jew-hate?
hmm, let’s see. maybe it was the book of john where the founder of xnity refers to the jews as
‘ye children of the devil’. or, perhaps the continual disparagement and blaming the ‘pharisees’? who were they? the sages and rabbis of israel.
then there’s the old ‘who killed him?’ issue. i love the lenny bruce line: they found a note in a basement: ‘we did it, signed, morty’.
the talmud has references as to the awful fate of the guy who is responsible for so much jew-hate.
the question here is what is the truth of the so-called ‘religion of love’?
it has no moral compass, telling people to just keep on loving even as the evil ones murder you.
that’s why gandhi wrote what he did to buber, that the jews should practice non-violence against the nazis. there’s a rich piece of advice.
i won’t list the problems with xnity here. but, at least it is a ‘religion’ which at some point chose to reform itself. the jewish experience in america, so far, has been benign compared to europe, for example. no, that doesn’t mean jews should stay in america; it’s a comparison.
the problem of assimilation is another question.
the muslim ‘allah’ is ‘allah kill you if you don’t submit’ directed at jews,xns and other infidels.
the title of your piece is disturbingly correct. pamela geller at atlasshrugs.com writes extensively on the denial problem in the media and with our leadership today.
Comment by bugsy — November 13, 2009 @ 3:53 am
Of course most or all of these “books” were written well after the time of Jesus - perhaps even specially written for people like Constantine, who essentially founded modern Christianity at Nicea. From what I’ve read, what came out of Nicea was far from “original” Christianity… which of course was Judaism. At Nicea, a bunch of guys under the leadership of Constantine, got together and decided on the best marketing and PR approach with which to sell Christianity to the pagan savages all over the place. Most likely, they needed an “other” to hate, and the Jews lost the flip of the coin. Of course I’m being somewhat simplistic.
Has taken a long time, but I believe there are signs that the Jewish origins of Christianity are becoming more acceptable (to some but not all). Could be that the closer Christian practises move toward Jewish practises - I mean, unlike the pagan converts, Jesus did practise purely Jewish worship, etc., no matter what Constantine dreamed up - the more Christianity will evolve.
Comment by keelie — November 13, 2009 @ 4:28 am
Um, nope. Now that you yourself are discarding the integrity of the new testament, you might as well dig deeper and discover that it all began as a pagan belief system, far, far away from anything Jewish - most likely thanks to a self-serving Jew named Paul. See? You still get to blame the Jews.
Once again, have a look at The Jesus Puzzle. You guys are following one of many artificial flavors of history’s biggest sham.
Also already pointed out eons ago is that Christianity’s new testament core historical claims are easily debunked.
Remember: “the truth will set you free.” You can’t get there stuck on fairy tales.
Comment by Shy Guy — November 13, 2009 @ 7:21 am
You think I don’t know who I was quoting? You think I didn’t intentionally take the verse out of context because of the garbage in the 1st half?
Irony, indeed!
And, again, your beliefs are as hilarious as their pagan origins.
There is no jesus in the Torah, except for perhaps Deuteronomy 13: 1-6:
All this word which I command you, that shall ye observe to do; thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.
If there arise in the midst of thee a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams–and he give thee a sign or a wonder,
and the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spoke unto thee–saying: ‘Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them’;
thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or unto that dreamer of dreams; for the LORD your God putteth you to proof, to know whether ye do love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
After the LORD your God shall ye walk, and Him shall ye fear, and His commandments shall ye keep, and unto His voice shall ye hearken, and Him shall ye serve, and unto Him shall ye cleave.
And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken perversion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed thee out of the house of bondage, to draw thee aside out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put away the evil from the midst of thee.
Let’s not forget Numbers 23:19:
God is not a man, that He should lie; neither the son of man, that He should repent: when He hath said, will He not do it? or when He hath spoken, will He not make it good?
You’re only fooling yourself. There is no Torah and no truth in your idol worship, whether it be your rendition of christianity or any of the others. Bupkes - all of them. This is what happens when the weavers of your fairy tales tried to grant themselves legitimacy by layering their paganism onto Judaism. The shoe didn’t fit.
Comment by Shy Guy — November 13, 2009 @ 10:29 am
Repeat: Christian “proofs” are a farce! Watch the four part series titled “jesus was not the messiah”.
As has been shown for hundreds of years already, that’s precisely what christian “proofs” do.
No jesus there and then either. You neither listen nor do.
“Sheker ein lo raglayim” - “lies have no feet [to stand on]“
No jesus there either. Isaac was the intended sacrifice. He was replaced by a ram at the last minute. Or can’t you read?
Perhaps jesus was the donkey, which Eliezer and Yishamel waited with while the 2 patriarchs went up Har Hamoriyah. If jesus can be a lamb, he can be a jackass just the same. Ah, that fits perfectly!
Comment by Shy Guy — November 13, 2009 @ 12:01 pm
God is not a man, that He should lie; neither the son of man, that He should repent: when He hath said, will He not do it? or when He hath spoken, will He not make it good?
In the most famous of Jewish forced Disputations by our Loving Christian friends the Tortosa Disputation of 1413-14. This disputation lasted two Years it involved virtually every Rabbi in Spain. It decimated the whole Jewish Community and most of the rabbis broke under the pressure. Then came a young genius of a Rabbi named Albo who was a student of Hasdai Crescas
Rabbi Yoseph Albo was expert in all branches of Jewish thought, biblical, rabbinic, and philosophical. He was also well versed in Islamic philosophy and in Christian scholasticism, particularly through the writings of Thomas Aquinas.
http://www.daat.ac.il/daat/mahshevt/ikarim/shaar-2.htm Sefer Ha Ikarim in Hebrew
As a philosopher, Albo is chiefly known for his Sefer ha-Ikkarim (”Book of Principles”), a four-part work in which the author sets down and expounds the basic teachings of Judaism. He presents Judaism as based on three principles, six doctrines, and eight subsidiary tenets. The three principles are the existence of God, Divine revelation, and reward and punishment. The six doctrines are not fundamentals and one can be a good Jew even without accepting all of them. They are belief in creatio ex nihilo, the creation of the universe out of nothing; in the supremacy of Moses as the greatest of the prophets; in the eternal validity of the Law of Moses; in the potential for human perfection through observance of the Divine Law; in the Resurrection of the dead; and in the coming of the Messiah. The eight subsidiary tenets are all related to the three cardinal principles, giving them a more detailed description. Above all, Albo emphasizes the binding factor of Divine Law, which is the most perfect kind of law, intended for man’s true happiness.
What I like especially about Albos’ principles is that he postualtes two things that utterly destroy all Christian claims to have superseded Judaism with a new replacement revelation.
1- That the Messiah concept is not a core or essential element of Judaism. That it is only a twig attached to the trunk of that which is essential and core Judaism.
2- Since the Jewish revelation was a public revelation before the whole nation of Israel where 600,000 men and their families heard G-d speak and said Amen. That any new covenant revelation must be given in the same manner publicly before the whole of the Jewish people advising them that G-d has changed his mind and has canceled his original covenants with the Jewish people.
The Christian disputations aided by Converted Jews used the Rambams 13 principles of faith against the Jews especially the Jewish concept of THE MESSIAH and Albo found a way to counter their arguments by using the above disclaimers and logic of the Jewish revelation.
The Jewish revelation is the only National revelation in the history of mankind. Call it Jewish Chutzpa, not one or two or ten witnesses but three million! can’t beat that for truth. Compare this with Christian or Muslim Claims of revelation? Their claims are laughable in comparison.
The Torah claims that every Jewish man, woman, and child alive in 1312 B.C.E. — about three million people, according to the Torah — heard God speak at Mount Sinai and survived to teach their descendants about the event. Here we have an easily identifiable group — all of Jewry — who could have verified or denied the story any time during the first two or three generations after the alleged mass prophecy transpired.
The Torah is aware of its uniqueness and unabashedly offers this challenge to every Jew who has lived since Sinai:
You might inquire about times long past, going back to the time God created man on earth [exploring] one end of the heavens to the other. See if anything as great as this has ever happened, or if the like has ever been heard. Has any nation ever heard God speaking out of fire, as you have, and still survived? (Deuteronomy 4:32–33)
Yet the Jewish claim is obvious and simple: God spoke to a group of people. This is the sort of claim that would occur to anyone.
Moreover, the claim of mass revelation was needed by other religions. Because Jews believed that millions of people — all of their ancestors — received the Torah directly from G-d, they were hesitant to accept just Jesus or Muhammad’s word that the Torah had been annulled. If G-d changed His mind, Jewry reasoned, why didn’t He let us or any other large group of people know? Furthermore, intelligent pagans might have wondered why, if G-d really intended to reveal an equally acceptable alternative to Judaism, He didn’t do it in front of a few million non-Jews. By hesitating to claim a mass prophecy, early Christians and Muslims thus lost an opportunity to raise their credibility, even in the gentile world.
The truth will set you free!!!
Comment by yamit82 — November 13, 2009 @ 1:02 pm
Excuse me for interrupting. I thought this site would be best served by those who support Israel.
Israel is faced with a number of enemies, Hamas, Hezbollah, and radical Islam; rouge Syria, Iran, Egypt, Jordan, the UN, the Obama administration. And no doubt a few more.
Why pick on Jesus? Jesus is not the enemy. Christians are not the enemy. In fact I believe a majority of Christian support Israel and her sovereignty. It won’t hurt having Jesus on your side. You don’t have to believe in Him.
Most importantly let’s get all Jews on the same page. As an outsider all I read is the conflict amongst the various facets of Jews. Time to gather the flock in and unite them as one Jewish family.
Please, let’s get on tract and work towards freeing Jerusalem and Israel of radical Arabs and secure Judea and Samaria
I would like to see Yamit, Uncle Nahum and Bill Narvey work together to find a solution to close this division amongst Jews.
Comment by rongrand — November 13, 2009 @ 1:10 pm
Shy Guy
Depends on how far back one goes. As far as I remember, Paul never ever met Jesus, so one has to assume that the ***original*** Christians were actually Jews. “Christians” only came upon the scene after Constantine gathered all the info (including Pauls input) and welded it together to form “Christianity”.
We Jews have a tendency to confuse the two issues: 1. Jesus was a Jew who like every other Jew, worshipped the One God did all that the other Jews did. He did not form a religion. 2. All the bloodletting and hatred that came after him was done by others (starting with Constantine) in his name. We should try to be aware of that, and not condemn him to OUR hatred, because he had nothing to do with what went on afterward.
And as for the Pharisees, well considering the chaos in Israel at the time (I’m sure you’re aware of the chaos and corruption and power mongering at the time; after all, to give you an example, the Jews lost everything to the Romans in battle because the Jews were so busy killing each other that they depleted themselves to the point of having nothing left with which to fight), perhaps calling them “sages and rabbis” may be a little honeyed. It’s just possible that Jesus, with his “outlandish” ideas may have rubbed the power brokers the wrong way.
“Sages and rabbis” are questionable, as I have mentioned before on this site. Nobody likes to be doubted or questioned…
Comment by keelie — November 13, 2009 @ 1:43 pm
He might have been born Jewish but he preached paganism. Once again, have a visit to The Jesus Puzzle and you’ll discover that Paul wasn’t preaching your dead Jew on a stick either.
You are not of our people. Dream away.
Comment by Shy Guy — November 13, 2009 @ 2:04 pm
Rongrand, converting you to Judaism stands a better chance then my getting Yamit to agree with me or even concede at least that my view is equally as valid as his.
Yamit’s view of who is worthy of being recognized as a Jew and who is not, bears a striking similarity to the rigid Islamist view of who is worthy of being called a true Muslim as opposed to who is a Muslim apostate or pretender.
It is unhelpful for commenters who are far from expert in Christian theology, to engage in theological discussion and debate as regards the nature or existence of Jesus.
If it could be proven that Jesus never did exist, Christianity that rests on the belief of Jesus’ existence both as human and God, would not survive.
What is known historically however is that virtually all the original written evidence of Jesus existence and the foundational writings of Christianity has been in the hands of the earliest Christians, which came into the hands of the Roman Empire and the Vatican.
Proven revelations that the early Roman Catholic church made efforts to improve on the evidence to support the conclusion that Jesus existed as the Gospels portray, such as the Vatican’s editing of the historical writings of Josephus, have in time had the opposite effect. That has cast suspicion upon the reliability and veracity of whatever other evidence there is to prove Jesus existence or his existence as portrayed in the foundational Christian writings.
There is much evidence and reasonable conclusions to be drawn from the foundational Christian writings themselves and from other historical sources, be it the beliefs, tenets and laws of Judaism or Roman empire writings, that the deified Jesus of the Gospels never did exist.
For example, there are various miraculous acts attributed to Jesus. If such miracles ever did occur, they would have come to the attention of the Romans who in their style of governance, maintained very tight control over the lives of Jews or other peoples they ruled over in order to prevent revolts and insurrections. There is however no word of these miracles found in Roman historical writings of the day.
That absence of corroborative evidence in Roman writings of the day is per se compelling evidence that miracles attributed to Jesus by the founders of Christian beliefs, never happened.
As to the stories of the death of Jesus at the hands of the Jews, it is unimaginable that Jesus would arrive in Jerusalem for Passover to the cheers of the entire Jewish community there and within a day or so, the Jewish leaders, with the support of the entire Jewish community, would start plotting to put Jesus on trial to hand him over to the Romans to meet the fate he did 3 days after his arrival in Jerusalem and for them to act upon such plot.
The fact that the Sandhedrin of the day would not have convened any court or held trial for any reason during Passover, is conveniently ignored by the Gospels.
The fact that Pontius Pilate would not have ever delegated his decision to arrest, try and execute Jesus to the Jews whom he both despised and oppressively controlled, is also conveniently ignored.
Given the fact that Pontius Pilate was known for his brutal and sadistic governance and who had no compunctions in ordering Jewish blood to flow in the streets to maintain his control and authority over them, it is simply impossible that he would suddenly be concerned that the blood of Jesus not be on his hands and instead submit to the will of the Jewish community, only if they agreed to accept the blood of Jesus on their hands and the hands of their successive generations .
It is unimaginable that the Jewish community would call upon Pontius Pilate to execute Jesus and accept responsibility for Jesus death which amounted to visiting a curse upon themselves and their successive generations. Such kinds of curse in those ancient days was no trifling matter.
Whether Jesus actually lived, whether , if he lived, he was actually the man-God as he was portrayed in the foundational Christian writings or whether instead he is an invented metaphorical figurehead to personify the beliefs of a sect of Jews who ultimately broke away from the Jewish community, cannot be proved to a scientific certainty one way or the other.
Whether Jesus existed or existed as portrayed in the Gospels however, has not been nearly as important throughout history as the fact that Jesus, as those foundational writings describe and depict as both human and God, lives in the minds and hearts of Christians.
Two final notes.
It is beyond scientific and historical doubt that it is not Jesus, but the founding Christian believers in Jesus whose foundational Christian writings up to and including Constantine’s creed of Nicea in 325 C.E.. and Christendom’s beliefs in those Christian tenets, who have the blood and pain of a great many millions of Jews over the past 2 millennia on their hands and in their souls.
Finally, on a positive note, many sectors of Christendom have in recent history, especially since the horrors of the Holocaust been actively seeking to rid themselves of the ugly stain and lethal strain of Jew hatred.
Given that many sectors of the Muslim world have taken up the cudgel of Jew hatred in the most vicious and lethal way, it is fortunate for the Jews that many sectors of Christendom have come to the defense of Jews which together with Jewish efforts in their own existential cause, hopefully will be sufficient to overcome the Jew hatred that is fast rising throughout the world and enable Jews and Judaism to survive and thrive for time immemorial.
Comment by Bill Narvey — November 13, 2009 @ 3:50 pm
The majority of Americans can’t find N. Dakota on a map not less Israel. Popular support in opinion polls are misleading as it doesn’t ask the right questions and doesn’t take into account the the perception of most Americans that radical Islam is an enemy and Israel is fighting that enemy. That said, most Americans don’t seem to think: according to some polls and the election of Hussein that Islam is a real threat to America. Americans are a deeply shallow people highly hedonistic and materialistic and will always go where they believe their personal economic interests lie.
You say and others here like Laura that Americans support Israel? OK, then tell me how? Translate that support to policy and actions by the representatives of that popular support. After all America purports to be a representative democracy.
The attempts to achieve for Israel closer ties with the US are a disservice to Jewish people. America will never, ever pursue Jewish interests as they are irrelevant to US voters and establishment alike. America embargoed weapons shipments to Israel during the Independence War, threatened intervention on Egypt’s behalf in the 1956 war, had operational plans for landing its troops in Sinai to defend Egypt in 1967, barred Israel from preemption in 1973 (and only shipped Israel weapons after we won the war), forced Israel to abandon Sinai, and now pushes us into the suicidal peace process. America gives more aid to Egypt and Palestine than Israel, fought for Kuwait but never for Israel, and has spent more in Iraq than the total aid to Israel since inception.
Why should a Christian country like America care about the Jewish state? Why would the WASP establishment care, if Jews don’t? Polls indicate that American Jews overwhelmingly support the peace process and oppose war with Iran. No one hates Israel like American Jews: they want to prove to their Gentile friends that they are not too Jewish, and so they side with Arabs. They are trying to show that Jews are exactly like others; but the Jewish state is not like other states. And so most American Jews support a “democratic” Israel where Arabs enjoy equal rights with Jews: that is, the right to breed and vote the Jewish state out of existence.
The support Israel now enjoys from America is a self-delusion. The US vetoed many UN resolutions which condemned Israel. But the very likelihood of such vetoes allows other UNSC members to behave more radically: they vote pro-Left and pro-Arab, knowing that the resolutions won’t pass. The US vetoes keep Israel in the UN while a stream of empty anti-Israeli resolutions would have forced Israel out of that barbarian conference and ended Israeli adherence to such UN-sponsored nonsense as the 1956 borders.
The US gives Israel no aid. The money euphemistically called aid is anything but that. There are three types of aid in Judaism: hesed (given of pure goodwill, not owed), tzedakah (owed for moral reasons), and mishpat (owed for legal reasons). None of those categories apply to Israeli-American relations. America possesses neither selfless goodwill, nor moral or legal obligations toward Israel. The annual subsidies are bribes at worst, payments at best. America pays Israel for influence in the Middle East. Controlling the Middle Eastern bully is America’s greatest regional asset. America receives immense leverage in its dealings with Muslims by the fact of controlling their major enemy.
The American aid is insulting. In Jewish law, it is an obligation of every individual to avoid being a burden to society at any cost; charity is the last measure for those who cannot support themselves. It is outrageous for the Jewish nation to plead for aid with Gentiles. Israelis are not that poor, and the aid is not that great. Ending the huge subsidies to Israeli Arabs and non-working Jews, reducing socialist pensions and job benefits in the Histadrut trade union, and firing a large number of useless bureaucrats would more than offset the lost aid. Sensible free-market economic policy rather than the post-socialist regulatory abomination would propel the Israeli economy. The IDF can be reduced, long-term conscription abandoned, and a lot of money saved if Israel officially relies on a nuclear deterrent in any large-scale war.
Interesting to note: From 1948 to 1972, Israel survived with no official major power sponsor. In a show of absurd loyalty, Israel sticks to America, but America sells her at every corner—for oil. Israel pays with real concessions for fictitious American support. The US needs to show its Arab clients its power over Israel, and kicks her around just for the fun of it: witness the squabble over a few dozen hamlets frightfully dubbed “illegal outposts.” As if the Arab attacks on Israel from 1929 onwards have had anything to do with those hamlets erected as a protest against the Oslo capitulation. American politicians sell Israel to placate the Arabs, such as by boosting the peace process after the Iraqi debacle.
If not for Christian US pressure, Israeli governments wouldn’t even think of partitioning Jerusalem and giving the Arabs Judea and Samaria. This is why I have said all along that Christian America are not really our friends or allies but use Israel for their own benefit and not ours. Israel is no less a disposable and dispensable proxy for furthering Americas global interests, than is Hamas or Hizbolla for Iran and Saudi Arabia.
Taken from a long historical view the global conflict today is really between Islam and Christianity over world hegemony. Israel finds itself caught between the Two and we shouldn’t be there. We have no Global, religious or national/imperial ambitions or objectives. 69 years ago Christian Europe with allied acquiescence obliterated European Jewry, then stood back and hopefully watched what they thought would be the sequel where the Muslim hordes finished what Hitler had failed to do here in Palestine. They only intervened when we were winning not when they thought we would lose. They are still at it, the same game plan of preventing Israeli and Jewish victory over our enemies and are still seeking to reduce us to an indefensible entity where they will aid our Islamic enemies to finish us off. Make no mistake there is a convergence of interests and intents between the Islamic and Arab world and the Christian West. That mutual interest is no different than that of Hitler.
So you see Ron Christianity does play a role in this conflict as they act as the supplier of the means and the tools for the other to use against us and then use their influence to weaken us sufficiently as to allow the other enemy of the Jews to finish us off.
Comment by yamit82 — November 13, 2009 @ 4:01 pm
Bill the flaw as I see it and mentioned before, (I am by no means a theolgoical scholar) You are correct and I agree, it wasn’t the whole Jewish community. There were only a few Jews involved and it was an attempt to scare Jesus and force Him to leave, however like any mob out of control the result was as we know it.
Likewise a majority of Christians don’t blame the Jews for His death.
Yamit, Uncle Nahum, not you, the guy from Jersey. You know better. The liberal left media in this country doesn’t print the support Americans have for Israel. You know that. You don’t hear American voices as they are kept quite. The reason I have mentioned a number of times. Israel needs a super PR program in the US and the American Jewish organizations need to have one strong voice.
Unfortunately Americans are now finally waking up to the fact that their represenative in both the house and senate only represent their own self interest. I trust this will end soon.
Comment by rongrand — November 13, 2009 @ 4:17 pm
Yea, well make a case then! A case that is grounded on something other than your rejection out of hand to my positions. State where they are feasible and workable based on something more substantial than your wishful thinking and rejection outright of what has proven to be both feasible and generally workable, as I outlined in my argued positions.
Is it not a fact that we have today the majority of the worlds Jews living in Israel?
Is it not a fact that assimilation is minor here compared to North America?
Is is not a fact that most Israelis view themselves a Jewish first and Israeli second?
Is it not a fact that most Israelis manage to transmit Jewishness either religious or nationalistic or both to succeeding generations?
Is is not a fact that where we have failed in any of the above we can more easily correct those faults than you can in Toronto or NYC?
It seems to me you have no case to make as it avoids some basic truths you prefer to ignore and or reject?
Where have I misstated?
Comment by yamit82 — November 13, 2009 @ 4:45 pm
Americas either show a stable preference as opposed to support for Israel when matched against Palis and Arab Muslims in general and even here in many cases it is a bare majority (over fifty %) mostly it is a plurality. What I would like to see is a head to head poll with Israel against England or Canada for example. Positive results for Israel depending on the questions when compared to Arabs is always in Isaraels favor but there is a difference between preference and support.
Palestinian Homeland Polls
(Updated January 14, 2009)
Now, do you think the United States should or should not favor creating a Palestinian state?(McClatchy / Ipsos, January, 6, 2009)
Should favor
31%
Should not favor
45%
(DK/NS)
24%
What is your opinion on the establishment of a Palestinian state? (POS, January 2007)
The Palestinians deserve a state where they are today 62%
There are more than twenty-one Arab countries and it makes more sense to relocate them to one of them 20%
What is your opinion on establishing a Palestinian state now? (POS, January 2007)
Create Palestinian state now 25%
There should not be a Palestinian state until Palestinian leaders end the terror and recognize Israel’s right to exist 60%
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American Attitudes Toward the War in Gaza
(Revised January 26, 2009)
Do you approve or disapprove of Israeli actions in Gaza?* (Pew Research Center, January 7-11, 2009)
Approve
40%
Disapprove
33%
DK
27%
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What should U.S. do?* (Pew Research Center, January 7-11, 2009)
Publicly support Israel
39%
Say or do nothing
38%
Publicly criticize Israel
9%
DK
14%
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Now, do you think the United States should or should not favor creating a Palestinian state?(McClatchy / Ipsos, January, 6, 2009)
Should favor
31%
Should not favor
45%
(DK/NS)
24%
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Should Israel have taken military action against the Palestinians or should it have tried to find a diplomatic
Taken military action
44%
Tried to find a diplomatic solution
41%
Not sure
15%
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American Attitudes
Toward the Golan Heights
As you may be aware. . . Israel and Syria are currently negotiating a peace agreement between their countries. As part of this peace agreement the U.S. would be required to help fund more than 25 billion dollars, and to send up to 10,000 U.S. troops, as part of a multinational peacekeeping force, to the border between these countries to help ensure the peace. Do you support or oppose helping to fund more than 25 billion dollars and sending U.S. troops to the border between Syria and Israel? (JINSA, January 10-11, 2000)
Strongly Support 10%
Somewhat Support 12%
Somewhat Oppose 19%
Strongly Oppose 54%
No Opinion (Do Not Read) 3%
Don’t Know/ Refused (Do Not Read) 2%
As part of a peace agreement between Syria and Israel…There is a plan to place American troops between Israel and Syria on the Golan Heights. Do you favor or oppose this plan to put American soldiers on the Golan Heights? (Middle East Quarterly, 1/13/2000)
Favor 21%
Oppose 64%
DK/Refused 15%
In return for Syria signing a peace treaty with Israel, should the U.S. Congress authorize a multi_billion_dollar package to strengthen Syria’s economy? (Middle East Quarterly, 1/13/2000)
Yes 21%
No 64%
DK/Refused 15%
Comment by yamit82 — November 13, 2009 @ 5:42 pm
Rongrand, you badly misunderstand me.
I consider Christian theolgical blame of even one Jew for Jesus’ death is a self serving despicable bullshit lie written by Christian believers some 40 or so years after the alleged death of Jesus only because that lie served the ends of the founders of Christianity which was to do all they could to ensure that their new religion was not crushed out of existence by the Romans.
By the time the Gospels were written, tensions had grown between the Jewish sect ultimately to become a breakaway Christian sect and the mainstream Jews. Those tensions increased to deep mutual mistrust and enmity between Christians and Jews by the time of the author of the Gospel of John, which Gospel is generally accepted as the one most filled with unbridled Jew hatred.
At that time however, both Jews and Christians were still under the oppressive rule of the Romans.
It does not take any genius to realize that this new Christian sect, to improve the chances of their being tolerated by the Romans, whitewashed the Romans in Jesus death, villifed the Jews for complicity in Jesus death and thus joined with the Romans whose antipathy and hatreds for Jews were already well established.
The founders of Christianity were as corrupted and calculating as any other people that seek to promote their own cause, beliefs or movement, religious or political within a political/social milieu that is not tolerant or easily accepting of new beliefs, especially when those beliefs might challenge the established order.
Had Christians blamed the Romans for the death of their beloved Saviour, their chances of surviving as a new religious group would have been next to none.
Comment by Bill Narvey — November 13, 2009 @ 5:45 pm
Way too much rhetoric. I suggest we give Army Maj. Malik Nadal Hasan a fair trial and then immediately hang him.
Comment by bronco — November 13, 2009 @ 5:54 pm
Bill, I didn’t misundstand you. First of all, you and I and all others rely on words written by men many years ago, all having an agenda. Neither of us were there. And we are all aware how in a short period of time stories change, imagine centries. We each believe in blind faith.
Bottom line we Christian and Jews believe in G-d/God. We will one day meet Him and He will explain it all. In the meantime we need resepect one another and quit the accusations of who is right or wrong. Sounds more like Abbott and Costello, “Who is on first”.
Again I would love to see the Jewish people to become united and build the Third Temple. Nothing to fear from G-d loving Jewish people. You couldn’t be in better company.
Comment by rongrand — November 13, 2009 @ 6:55 pm
Bill L., I agree that had the UCMJ been followed this attack could not have happened. The question is why wasn’t it followed? Why do the media insist on referring to this massacre as a tragedy and refuse to label Hasan a terrorist? Who invented “Pre-PTSD”? That’s what we should be discussing.
Instead I find you making apologies for Muslims.
Really? Aren’t those who publicly support and fund terrorism terrorists too? Without the support system, terrorism would be non-existent.
This statement I can’t figure out?
Do you mean to say that Muslims are the real victims? You can’t really mean that. Do you think the 3000 that died on 9/11 would agree? How many Muslims died at Ft. Hood?
I don’t dispute your statement
except that there are <strong>no such people. Southern Syrians is what they use to call themselves but someone on this site named them Fakestinians which is perfect. Every time you use your enemy’s terminology, you are validating their outrageous claims and allowing them to set the agenda.
Let’s not pretend that Islam is a religion of peace or that its adherents are good and peaceful people. It is a violent political movement bent on conquering the world. All you have to do is listen to what they say and believe that they mean it. Take it seriously.
Comment by lesly — November 13, 2009 @ 7:20 pm
Rongrand, again you misunderstand.
I have not ever said all of Christianity as an entire religion is wrong, false, evil or used any other such pejorative characterization.
I have however pointed out at times that history of Christians’ practice and actions inspired by their religion and faith, has often been written in blood, at least until the European Enlightenment. There have however since that time been bloody instances of Christians doing evil in this world, the last cataclysmic instance of the evil of some Christians being WWII and the Holocaust.
I have also in past and do again point out that there are certain tenets of foundational Christian belief that form the basis for Christian Jew hatred over the millenia.
When Christianity became the state religion of Rome and Constantine convened the Council of Nicea amongst the leading Christian sects to reach unanimous agreement on the fundamental principles of Christianity, Christian Jew hatred became lethal for Jews. As you know the Nicean creed included as one of those principles, that all who rejected the tenets of Christianity as laid out in the Nicean Creed were to be anathematized or cursed. That principle was acted upon by Christians to lethally persecute millions of Jews over the centuries.
I have never however, disrespected modern understandings of Christianity as a whole or any Christians unless they deserved such disrespect. Those I have disrespected almost certainly were the very same Christians or Christian groups you have also condemned as Christians whose actions betray the essence, values and meaning of Christianity.
So Ron, I trust you now get my point that when I specifically reject certain aspects of Christian belief as wrong or outright lies that served the convenience or interests of the founding Christians, I am not damning the whole religion or all Christians.
Indeed, the essential tenets of morality, ethics and human values found in Christianity all derive from Judaism.
So apart from many differences between the Jewish and Christian beliefs including how God is understood, to the extent that both religions speak to the very same principles of morality, ethics and values, Christians and Jews believe in the very same things.
As for your concluding wish about Jews being more united and rebuilding the Temple, we wish for the same things.
To conclude Ron, if all Christians were like you today, antisemitism would be completely gone from all sects of Christianity. I am glad we have you and the great many other Christians like you on our side.
Comment by Bill Narvey — November 13, 2009 @ 10:05 pm
Bill, I understand you. I believe we are on the same page. Our goals remain the same, eraticating anti-Semitism.
We really need the American Jews to start being Jewish again, kinda like Yamit said.
Hell the Jewish Community Center I live a 1/2 block from doesn’t exist anymore, in fact there isn’t one in the community. Wishing for those days when there were more activities there than carter has pills.
They even let me set up pins in the bowling alley as a yongster.
The Jewish summer camp I sent my oldest son to is no longer.
Comment by rongrand — November 14, 2009 @ 12:23 am
welp, ya’ll got me. there is so much convoluted b.s. on this, i will just mosey on outta here.
Comment by bugsy — November 14, 2009 @ 3:38 am
Shy Guy -
The great thing about having a mid-life-crisis type of realization of the benefits of Halachah, is that people like you are converted from assholes to Halachik Assholes.
I had more understanding of real Jewishness when I was seven years old than you apparently have now.
Comment by keelie — November 14, 2009 @ 5:10 am
Bugsy…
I agree entirely, even if I had my share of issuing b.s.
Comment by keelie — November 14, 2009 @ 5:12 am
But have you thought that Christianity as an entire religion is wrong, or false?
If you haven’t then you concede their claim of being Judaisms replacement. Based on their core cannon of beliefs both Christianity and Judaism can’t both be right it’s an either or!
Your politically correct moral and ethical relativism which suggests the canard of “I am no better than you but no worse than you is” or can be deduced by your disclaimer above. Well we are better than them. We carry a higher ethical burden and more proscriptions when we follow the halacha.
The Jews’ status as chosen people is politically incorrect. The concept is not racist: unlike the black/white skin-color distinction, anyone can join the chosen people by converting properly. The concept, however, is insulting: any Jew is chosen from birth, automatically, while Gentiles have to undergo a very hard conversion. It is of no sense to fool Gentiles with the “we’re chosen but not better than you” tune. Of course, it’s better to be chosen than not. Chosen-ness means the greatest imaginable advantage in the most valuable sphere of all, in the transcendental realm. The Torah is explicit: Jews were chosen in order to raise us up (Exodus 20:17). In our prayers, we thank G-d for having chosen us from among all nations and exalting us above all towns. It’s great to be chosen by the biggest authority in the universe.
Hatred of oppressors is a time-honored Jewish practice. Since Rabban Gamliel of the second century, we curse the sectarians daily in our Amida prayer and ask G-d to destroy them. The sectarians are not members of various Jewish sects, but those whose sects parted with Judaism—you know whom the rabbis mean.
I certainly don’t despise anti-Semites and Gentiles generally. There are some very smart anti-Semites, including good writers. Indeed, anti-Semitism is good for Jews, as it pushes the weak ones to assimilate and the stronger ones to unite.
Jews forget the past and ignore the present. They betray the grandparents who went up in flames on the stakes and in crematoria manned by Gentiles or not stopped – easily stopped – by Gentiles.
Either Christianity is right or it is wrong, you can’t cherry pick as an intellectual convenience so as to modify your statements premise. If it is wrong and a false belief it is then wrong and a false belief.
Really? like what for instance?
Can you defend that position? Very same principles of morality, ethics and values, Christians and Jews believe in the very same things? What Jewish sect or cult might you be referring to?
The problem we have is not with the Rons of the world , he may even be considered a righteous gentile, at least his heart and his mind are attuned with us but our real problem lies with the Jews even those like Narvey who also have the best intentions but whose lack of knowledge, bars him from reaching the correct conclusions. If your premises are faulty therefore so will your conclusions which are based upon them. You know that!
Comment by yamit82 — November 14, 2009 @ 2:37 pm
Bugsy:
Any love that does not carry with it chastisement is not love. The Midrash. Bereshit Rabba 51
One who has it in his power to chastise and does not is punished for it. Talmud, Avoda Zara 18a
Comment by yamit82 — November 14, 2009 @ 2:49 pm
Yamit, Uncle Nahum I get your point.
My point is how do you wrestle in the variuos Jewish sects as one and united Jews?
There must be a common denominator, is it the Torah?
As I see it and you know I am no expert (on anything). Israel survival will be stand a better chance in this anti-Semitic world if all Jews come together as one. As one the Third Temple will be a reality.
Uncle the last Jewish poll you posted was dishearten. The American Jewish community needs a shot in the arm.
How do you bring them back? What Jewish organization is viable enough to be the grass roots to pull them together?
Comment by rongrand — November 14, 2009 @ 3:56 pm
Ron the poll results above are all inclusive Americans not just Jews.
Ron what is happening to American Jewry is unique for us, it was never so deep or widespread in all of our history. Which brings to my point. The only reason today for Jews to remain Jews is Judaism, and not just anybodies self definition of Judaism. Ethnic and cultural Judaism without a strong sense of Torah, peoplehood and the Land of Israel cannot be transmitted for more than a few generations especially in an alien melting pot culture like America. The pressures are hard enough for born into religious homes Jews, the disaffected have no chance or reason to remain Jews., So they don’t.
Like any physical or mental disease ones needs to recognize the illness, be correctly diagnosed and then if there is a cure and the disease is not too malignant with concentrated effort maybe the patient can overcome his malady but in the case for American Jews, I fear they are too far gone and will never recognize even that they have a problem no less seek a cure for it. Even those who recognize that there is a problem refuse to entertain the only short term cure which in fact is the same as long term cure because if the problem isn’t dealt with short term there won’t be Jews left to worry about long term.
This is the point those even like Narvey fail to come to grips with. Education, will only appeal initially to a few and education takes to long to affect the ongoing current situation. While you are educating some few willing Jews you loose another half million Jews or more which rhen produces a snowball geometrical effect..
Don’t look so much for unity ( Too general a term) as zealotry by a large enough minority will carry the others with them. Most people; Jews and non Jews are perfectly comfortable allowing others to decide for them, they will go with the strength and the power if we can ever invent some leadership willing to assert that power.
Felix won’t agree with me but almost any notable leader in history was not born to good leadership but rose out of specific challenges in their time, History is nothing but challenges and responses.
Comment by yamit82 — November 14, 2009 @ 4:32 pm
Uncle I believe your diagnosis is right on.
The prognisis, how about it begins in the home. Mom and dad practicing their faith together, getting involved in a Jewish Community Center, frequenting the synagogue (not only on the Sacred Days) with religious education.
A Jewish home with all the Jewish trimmings.
Comment by rongrand — November 14, 2009 @ 6:43 pm
Re: #21
I said that 9/11 and Fort Hood were spectacular exceptions, as were the Mumbai Massacre, Ma’alot, and so on.
In practice, though, thousands of Muslims are slaughtered routinely when their mosques are blown up for being the wrong “kinds” of mosques, women have their throats cut or are stoned to death for being rape victims, and so on. Most of the people whom the Iranian regime hangs, shoots, or stones to death are Muslims, although Baha’is also are among the victims. The Iran-Iraq war probably killed more than a million Muslims, thus showing that most victims of mindless Islamofascist violence are in fact Muslims.
Comment by Bill Levinson — November 14, 2009 @ 8:16 pm
Re: #27
I regard anti-Semites as no better than racists (e.g. Al Sharpton, who is also an anti-Semite) and similar dregs of society.
All of which happened how long ago? If we go back far enough to the Old Testament, we will find our own ancestors behaving just like Nazis (i.e. no better or worse than their contemporaries such as the Assyrians, Greeks, and Romans who also practiced genocide, mass enslavement, and so on). There are specific portions in the Old Testament where the ancient Hebrews invoked God’s command as an excuse to “smite” entire populations, including the women and children. Jews have not, however, behaved that way for thousands of years, and Christians have not behaved that way for a good two hundred years (the Spanish Inquisition having been put out of business in the early 19th century). Militant “Muslims” are the only people (I use “people” quite liberally here) who behave that way today.
Nazism had very little to do with Christianity, and Hitler killed priests and ministers who opposed him. Christian clergy were routinely sent to concentration camps for going against Hitler. Also, medieval Christians did not do to Jews what they did not also do to each other; the Catholics burned ANYBODY who was not a Catholic (e.g. Protestants), and the Protestants often massacred Catholics. Even as late as the Thirty Years War, the Catholics massacred an entire city (Magdeburg) full of Protestants, after which Protestant troops delivered “Magdeburg mercy” (a cut throat or equivalent) to Catholics they captured. France had an infamous pogrom against Huguenots (the St. Bartholomew’s Day Massacre), which the reigning Pope praised quite highly. Jews suffered more than others only because they didn’t have as many men and weapons with which to fight back. However, only militant “Muslims” behave that way in the 21st century.
How about right for Christians but wrong for Jews?
You realize that when you call Christianity paganism or whatever, Christians feel the same way we feel when their more extreme clergy (e.g. Jack Chick) say we will all go to Hell for not accepting Jesus. This in fact encourages anti-Semitism, just as the actions of a small minority of Christians encourages distrust and dislike of Christians by Jews.
Comment by Bill Levinson — November 14, 2009 @ 8:34 pm
Yeh.
Sure.
Whatever makes you happy, pagan.
Comment by Shy Guy — November 14, 2009 @ 9:47 pm
Levison: You Cherry pick and revise history to suite your agenda. In that you are no different than any Muslim apologist, leftist or right wing apologist. Only using 1960 as a base year America has inflicted and brought as much or more deaths and destruction mostly against third world countries than all of Islamic radicals combined.
Viet Nam,Cambodia, Laos, Iraq twice, Granada,Lebanon,Panama and now Afghanistan.
Terrorism on American soil is not a new phenomenon and only recently have we seen Muslims attacking American sites and Citizens on American soil. What stands out here is their audacity and zealous commitment to to their cause and the comparable devastation they have wrought mostly in the two attacks on Twin Towers.
The Oklahoma Federal Building comes close to the Twin Towers attacks and was non Muslin.
# 1969 October 14 The Fuerzas Armadas de Liberación Nacional (FALN), a Puerto Rican nationalist group, claims responsibility for a small bomb explosion at Macy’s Herald Square
# 1975 January 24: FALN bombs Fraunces Tavern in New York City, killing four and injuring more than 50.
# 1975 December 29: A bomb set off by FALN in East Harlem, New York permanently disables a police officer while causing him to lose an eye.
# 1977 August 3: FALN bombs exploded on the twenty-first floor of 342 Madison Avenue in New York City, which housed United States Department of Defense security personnel, as well as the Mobil Building at 150 East Forty-Second Street, killing one. In addition the group warned that bombs were located in thirteen other buildings, including the Empire State Building and the World Trade Center resulting in the evacuation of one hundred thousand people. Five days later a bomb attributed to the group was found in the AMEX building
# May 3, 1979: FALN exploded a bomb outside of the Shubert Theatre in Chicago, injuring five people.
# 1980 March 15 Armed members of FALN raided the campaign headquarters of President Jimmy Carter in Chicago and the campaign headquarters of George H. W. Bush in New York City. Seven people in Chicago and ten people in New York were tied up as the offices were vandalized before the FALN members fled. A few days later, Carter delegates in Chicago received threatening letters from FALN.
1981 May 16: One was killed in an explosion in the toilets at the Pan Am terminal at New York’s JFK airport. The bombing is claimed by the Puerto Rican Resistance Army
1982 December 31: FALN explodes bombs outside of the 26 Federal Plaza in Manhattan, Federal Bureau of Investigation Headquarters and a United States courthouse in Brooklyn. Three New York Police Department police officers are blinded with one officer losing both eyes. All three officers sustained other serious injuries trying to diffuse a second Federal Plaza bomb
1970 October 22: An antipersonnel time bomb explodes outside a San Francisco church, showering steel shrapnel on mourners of a patrolman slain in a bank holdup; no one is injured. The Black Liberation Army is suspected
1971: During this year the Black Liberation Army is suspected of killing three policemen one at his desk in San Francisco, shooting four others and opening fire on three patrol cars and rolling a grenade which heavily damages a police car and injures two officers. An attempt is made to bomb a police station. These incidents happen in various cities around the country. In August the group runs a one month long guerrilla warfare school in Fayetteville, Georgia. Seven are arrested in January 2007 in connection with the San Francisco desk shooting incident
1972 January 22: Two St. Louis policemen, Gregory Foster and Rocco Laurie, are shot in the back by at least three persons; four suspects in the case are members of the Black Liberation Army; one suspect is later killed in a street battle with police; the recovered pistol matches Laurie’s.
1972 December 28: A Brooklyn, New York bartender is held for $12000 ransom by the Black Liberation Army
# 1973 January 7: After shooting a police officer a week earlier Mark Essex a former Black Panther party member shoots nineteen people, ten of them police officers, in retaliation for police killings in and around a Howard Johnsons hotel in New Orleans. He also set fires in the hotel before being killed by police.
# 1973: A New York City transit detective is killed and ten law enforcement personnel are shot four by machine gun during the year mostly in and around New York City by the Black Liberation Army. Also two members of that organization are arrested with a car full of explosives. In the next few years there are a number of violent incidents involving this organization but they are more criminal in nature.
Some Recent Acts of Terror in America:
# 2000 October 13, Firebombing of Temple Beth El (Syracuse)
# 2000: 2000 New York terror attack Three young men of Arab descent hurled crude Molotov cocktails at a synagogue in The Bronx,New York to “strike a blow in the Middle East conflict between Israel and Palestine”
2001 May 21 The Center for Urban Horticulture at the University of Washington burned. Replacement building cost $7,000,000. Earth Liberation Front members pleads guilty
# 2001 September 11: September 11, 2001 attacks carried out by Al-Qaeda. The attacks were carried out by Islamic fundamentalists using hijacked commercial airplanes to damage the twin towers of the World Trade Center, and The Pentagon. Building 7 of the World Trade Center was also destroyed but was not hit with a plane. A fourth plane crashed prematurely in Pennsylvania. Investigations have been conducted some critics however maintain a thorough enough investigation has not been carried out.
# 2001 September 18: November - 2001 anthrax attacks. Letters tainted with anthrax kill five across the United States, with politicians and media officials as the apparent targets. On July 31, 2008 Bruce E. Ivins a top biodefense researcher committed suicide On August 6, 2008 the FBI concluded that Ivins was solely responsible for the attacks and suggested that Ivins wanted to bolster support for a vaccine he helped create and that he targeted two lawmakers because they were Catholics who held pro choice view
May 2002 Mailbox Pipe Bomber: Lucas John Helder rigged pipe bombs in private mailboxes to explode when the boxes were opened. He injured 6 people in Nebraska, Colorado, Texas, Illinois, and Iowa. His motivation was to garner media attention so that he could spread a message denouncing government control over daily lives and the illegality of marijuana as well as promoting astral projection.
2002 July 4: 2002 Los Angeles Airport shooting Hesham Mohamed Hadayet, a 41-year-old Egyptian national, kills two Israelis and wounds four others at the El Al ticket counter at Los Angeles International Airport. The FBI concluded this was terrorism, although they found no evidence linking Hadayet to any terrorist group
# October 2002 Beltway Sniper Attacks: During three weeks in October 2002 John Allen Muhammad and Lee Boyd Malvo killed 10 people and critically injured three others in Washington D.C, Baltimore, and Virginia. An earlier spree by the pair had resulted in 3 deaths in Louisiana, Alabama, Georgia, California, Arizona, and Texas to bring the total to 16 deaths. No motivation was given at the trial but evidence presented showed an affinity to the cause of the Islamic jihad.
# 2002 White supremacist terror plot A 2002 incident in which a group of white supremacists planned to bomb a series of institutions associated with the black and Jewish communities including the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum.
# 2005 Los Angeles bomb plot
# 2006 March 5: Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar injured 6 when he drove an SUV into a group of pedestrians at UNC-Chapel Hill to “avenge the deaths or murders of Muslims around the world”
# 2006 Seattle Jewish Federation shooting, Egyptian shoots six Jewish women
# 2007 October 26: A pair of improvised explosive devices were thrown at the Mexican Consulate in New York City. The fake grenades were filled with black powder and detonated by fuses causing very minor damage. Police were investigating the connection between this and a similar attack against the British Consulate in New York in 2005.
2008 February: In the first reported incident of animal-rights extremists physically assaulting the family members of animal researchers, six masked activists attempted to force their way into the home of a University of California, Santa Cruz, researcher and injured the researcher’s husband
2008 March 3: Four multimillion-dollar show homes place in Woodinville, Washington are torched. The Earth Liberation Front is suspected in the fires
2008 May 4 Multiple nail laden pipe bombs exploded at a Federal Courthouse in San Diego at 1:40 AM causing “considerable damage” to the entrance and lobby and sending shrapnel two blocks away. The F.B.I. is investigating links between this attack and an April 25 explosion at the FedEx building also in San Diego
2008 July 27 Jim D. Adkisson opened fire in the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church in Knoxville,Tennessee killing two and injuring seven before being tackled to the ground by congregation members. A note found in his SUV indicated this was intended as a suicide attack and said the church was apparently targeted because of its support of liberal social policies
2008 August 2, August 3 University of California-Santa Cruz molecular biologist David Feldheim’s home was firebombed. A car belonging to another researcher from that University was destroyed by a firebomb in what is presumed to be related. FBI is investigating incidents as domestic terrorism related to animal rights groups.
2008 Summer and Fall: White House computer email archives attacked several times. Chinese intelligence suspected
2009 April 8: According to a report in the Wall Street Journal that was confirmed by Fox News intruders have left malware in power grids, water and sewage systems that could be activated at a later date. While the attacks which have occurred over a period of time seem to have originated in China and Russia it is unknown if they are state sponsored
2009 May 31: Assassination of George Tiller. Dr. George Tiller, a doctor who provided late term abortions was shot to death in a Wichita, Kansas church. Tiller was shot previously in 1993 and his abortion clinic had been bombed in 1985. Alleged assassin Scott Roeder, who believes in justifiable homicide of abortion providers, has been arrested for the killing.
2009 May 25: Crude bomb explodes in a Starbucks in Manhattan’s Upper East Side. On July 14 Kyle Shaw age 17 is arrested and pleaded not guilty. He is being held pending $300,000 bond or $100,000 cash bail. Police allege his motive was to emulate “Project Mayhem” a series of assaults on cooperate America portrayed in the movie Fight Club.
2009 June 1: Arkansas recruiting office shooting One military recruiter was killed and another critically injured by gunshot at a Little Rock, Arkansas Army/Navy Career Center. The suspect Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad said he was upset over U.S. killing of Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan.
2009 June 10: United States Holocaust Memorial Museum shooting. A gunman identified as 88 year old James Wenneker von Brunn walked into the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington D.C. and shot a guard who later died. Wenneker von Brunn was critically wounded when security guards immediately returned fire but is expected to live..[51] Wennecker von Brunn has been described as a white supremacist and a neo-Nazi.
2009 July 4: A denial of service attack of unusual length and sophistication affected United States and South Korean government websites as well as websites for the Washington Post and NASDAQ. Websites for several U.S. government agencies were shut down for up to 3 days. A sophisticated organization or nation was suspected according to the National Intelligence Service.
WHY HAVE I POSTED THIS? TO SHOW THAT WHILE ISLAMIC TERRORISM IS A REAL THREAT IT IS ONLY ONE OF MANY AND NOT THE ONLY BOEGY MAN THREATENING AMERICA AND AMERICAN CITIZENS. America it seems has no lack of violent groups and individuals to be concerned about and what I have posted is far from being a complete list or picture. There are acts of terror occurring in America almost daily by a variety of groups and individuals, Muslims only being one of many.
Lets face some facts America has murdered in the name of? Many millions of innocent civilians More than 3,000,000 people (including 58,000 Americans) died over the course of the the Vietnam/ South East Asian war, more than half of them civilians.
How many Iraqis were killed by American in the Gulf War?
Beth Osborne Dapontes report for the US Commerce Departments Census Bureau of Foreign Countries update, estimated 86,000 men, 39,000 women, and 32,000 children killed by Allied Forces. Controversially, she was reprimanded and her report reissued with reduced figures including the omission of women and children deaths. Since the original report she has published more studies that have put the estimate to around 200,000 deaths .. At least as many Iraqis have been killed by America since the second war began. Estimates that at least 30,0000 Afghanis have been killed since America invasion and at least half were innocent civilians.
America fought and is fighting three bloody wars against three national entities that were no direct threat to America. In all three America will have been seen to have lost or will lose. So objectively these wars were and are being fought for narrow American interests and not for some higher moral principles. Therefore a case can be made that all deaths incurred as a result of American aggression and interference in the affairs of others, were not for the reasons the popular spin,spoon fed to the American people and is no less vile and nefarious than any Muslim terrorist attack against America.
I am no apologist for Muslims and believe they should be fought but I also believe that you go after the head and not the lowest rungs on the ladder, The head being The Saudi Royal Family and Iranian Mullahs. They are the brains and the suppliers of infrastructures including the financing. I would go after the symbols of Islam being first and foremost Mecca and An Najaf.
Because America won’t do what is necessary to defeat Islam; all Americans fighting in wars like Iraq and Afghanistan are essentially be sacrificed for no higher or moral purpose and are being used as smoke and mirrors. The real issues are other than defeating Islamic radical terrorists. Therefore I submit that all deaths on both sides are a waste and even can be considered murder.
That’s why when you Huff and puff re: radical Islam, ignore all the other violence which exceeds Islamic terrorists acts [in quantity if not #'s of victims] against Americans, give most Muslims a free pass and those poor schmucks who are fighting and some dying, are fighting and dying for nothing. This may not bother you but it does me. Bush was as Bad in this as Hussein O and probably worse. It is not a right/ left or Democrat/ Republican issue It is about who really controls our politicians once they are elected. I give you 3 guesses.
Comment by yamit82 — November 14, 2009 @ 10:56 pm
Then you must also condemn all those who support and respect him and give him a public media platform to spew his antisemitic slander, like Fox News and O’Riley for example? Why don’t you condemn 60% of not more American Blacks who in all polls have shown to have close to 40% extreme antisemetic views and another 25-30% strong antisemitic views. Mexicans are not far behind.
Note: that these two groups comprise the two most violent groups in America; so Yudon, If I were you I might be a bit concerned for your own safety but racism has nothing to do with this. Actually it serves you “Jews” right as instead of taking up Jewish causes you fought for theirs and like all Gentiles they turned on you.
All of which happened how long ago?
50-65 years is not exactly long ago: Many Jews are still alive who lived through the events.
We were only commanded to Kill our most malevolent of enemies and for a very human and practical reason, they would have done the same to us. We unlike our enemies always gave our enemies a chance to save themselves before we attacked them. So you equating my ancestors with the Nazis has no basis in fact or history. Jews of the Bible abd since have never learned, believed or practiced your Christian concept of moral relativism. In those days you killed or were killed and it wasn’t pretty. The Jews of the Tanach were commanded to cleanse the land of it’s original inhabitants so as to prevent future conflicts and wars. That is as Humanistic as you will find in any religion as it extremely practical in understanding Human nature. Every event in the Tanach is a teaching. The Jews refuse to learn and pay for it. Excuse? No Levinson it was a command by the G-d of Israel and he was neither a right winger or a left winger and never dabbled in your pseudo moral equivalences, which have no basis in Judaism, Christianity, maybe but not Judaism. The Torah recognizes that Little Pagans grow up to be big pagans and will remember that we stole their land and will if they can attempt by all means to take back what was stolen from them therefore they must be removed. Sort of like the situation we have now with the Arabs here. To have peace we needed to just kick them out and because we didn’t do it before we have had 60 years of continuous conflict.
Jews have not really had much of an opportunity to show what we are made of but when we did have the the rare opportunity we excelled like in 614 when we had control of The land of Israel for three years we killed every Christian in sight and destroyed everyone of their churches. We even paid the Persians our allies top dollar for Christian slaves so we could butcher them in revenge. Revenge is also a very Jewish emotion and diktat. But alas 1300 years of Christian Love and benevolence has taken it’s corrupting toll on Jews. Sort of like the battered wife syndrome, Unfortunately we are stuck with so many just like you Levinson, a Christian, Polish and to some extent Muslim apologist.
Fine with me except when they seek out Jews to spread their good news. In Israel I would have their heads were it up me. They have their religious imperatives we Jews have ours. I don’t run through the streets of Boston disclaiming the virgin Birth and the mythology of Christianity, they don’t come into my country in my street and in my home with their good news.
They support my enemies, I support theirs, except for Muslims but the Chinese are fair game. Indians don’t like them an awful lot either.
Look Bill Christians are your problem as are most incidents of antisemitism. In Israel I know few Christians and have contact directly with none. The majority of locale (Arab) Christians hate Jews more than the Muslims.
As to what Christian think or don’t think, frankly Bill I don’t give a damn what they think. Why shouldn’t they be concerned what we Jews think of them?
Comment by yamit82 — November 15, 2009 @ 12:50 am
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“I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life; no one comes to the Father except through Me.”- Jesus Christ
Comment by Michael Ejercito — November 19, 2009 @ 5:46 am
Who is this jesus christ? Never heard of him! I know not anyone by the name of Jesus except my Mexican Gardener and he never talks like that.
He is also a lousy gardener, lies a lot and I believe he is an orphan.
Is this the guy you are referring to Michael?
Comment by yamit82 — November 19, 2009 @ 11:47 am
Yamit, Uncle Nahum, shame on you. Will you please stop picking on Jesus. You heard of Him, you don’t have to believe in Him. I am a gambler however, I don’t like to take chances. I try to cover all the bases.
He has quite a large following, If I weren’t a follower of His, I just may not lay a bet against Him. I would bet on something else. There are some things I don’t like to take a chance on being wrong.
If you don’t feel comfortable in acknowlinging Him, don’t talk about Him or be disrespectful.
Let’s say you are wrong about Him. ***When you meet Him, He may say “Thanks Friend”.
Can’t be all that bad.
By the way Uncle you don’t have a Mexican gardner, yours is a Palestinian.
***Disclaimer - I don’t know about you but, I need to clean my act up and need all the help and prayers that can be muster in order to get to the pearly gate. It’s all conditional. It’s not a gimme.
Comment by rongrand — November 19, 2009 @ 1:33 pm
So does Elvis, Michael Jackson and the Beatles. Islam has 1,3 billion believers and There might be a billion Hindus and Buddhists. What the hell do numbers have to do with truth?
I don’t object to your or others beliefs only your claims to have truth. That I will never concede. Judaism considers Christianity Pagan mainly because of the Trinity where Islam is considered in Judaism to be a pure monotheistic faith and non pagan, Crazy but non Pagan.
Thanks for what?
What ever your beliefs in Christianity, Judaism is the exact opposite. The same with Islam. All three of these religions claim to hold the truth and they can’t be all correct. If Christianity or Isam is correct and they hold the truth then we are wrong and the opposite is also true.
In the ancient world everybody accepted all religions ( Pantheism ) for very similar reasons yhat you stated. Uncertainty requires covering all bases just in case.
This is not so in Judaism. There can only be one truth and we believe we hold that truth period.
The Kuzari
part I
Rabbi Yehudah ha-Levi
http://www.shechem.org/torah/kuzari/
Medieval Kingdom of Khazaria, 652-1016
http://www.khazaria.com/
Comment by yamit82 — November 19, 2009 @ 4:18 pm
Uncle when I say I cover my bases I mean I am not disrespectful of anyone’s religion or their beliefs.
You and I are not opposite, we both believe in G-d/God. We both believe we hold the truth.
We both believe becaus we rely on the words purportedly inspired by G-d/God and written by mortals all of whom believe they had exclusvie rights to those words and what was handed down by tradition.
Neither of us were there to hear the Almighty, It’s all about faith.
Judaism professes love not hate the reason I would love to see the Third Temple built.
Uncle trust me we are not at odds or opposite, G-d/God is our common denominator.
Comment by rongrand — November 19, 2009 @ 5:02 pm
Until two hundred years ago (with the founding of the Reform movement), every Jew and member of a Jewish breakaway group (like the Christians, Sadducees, and Karaites) affirmed that ancient Jewry, their direct ancestors, had experienced national prophecy at Mount Sinai. Indeed, virtually every Jew alive today can trace himself back to Orthodox relatives (usually within five generations) who believed with all their heart and soul that they were links in an unbroken genealogical chain going back to Sinai.
There is only one categorically unique claim in mankind’s religious history: only the Torah claims that a large, easily identifiable group heard G-d speak and survived to tell about it.
The Torah is aware of its uniqueness and unabashedly offers this challenge to every Jew who has lived since Sinai:
The Jewish claim is obvious and simple: G-d spoke to a group of people. This is the sort of claim that would occur to anyone.
Moreover, the claim of mass revelation was needed by other religions. Because Jews believed that millions of people — all of their ancestors — received the Torah directly from G-d, they were hesitant to accept just Jesus or Muhammad’s word that the Torah had been annulled. If G-d changed His mind, Jewry reasoned, why didn’t He let us or any other large group of people know? Furthermore, intelligent pagans might have wondered why, if G-d really intended to reveal an equally acceptable alternative to Judaism, He didn’t do it in front of a few million non-Jews.
There is no evidence of a NATIONAL REVELATION in any other religion or culture. What the Jews claim to have experienced at Sinai is a one time occurrence ( Therefore a supernatural event ) and has never been duplicated by anyone neither Christianity or Islam. Three million Jews stood at the foot of Sinai heard G-d speak and collectively said Amen. The only thing that could be better than 3 million witnesses? 4 million witnesses?
Judaism therefore is not faith based but certainty based. Closed to speculation.
Comment by yamit82 — November 19, 2009 @ 5:43 pm
Uncle these people still around, you talked to them of course. Oh these people passed it on to others. Okay.
Please you know me by now, I don’t want to get in to a pissing contest and it was not meant to.
Listen, I admire you for your religious beliefs, G-d bless you and in fact I wish more Jews were strong in their faith as you are, especially those in the US, they are JINO while you practice the faith.
Let’s call it quits, Israel needs both our prayers and I know He hears both of us.
Comment by rongrand — November 19, 2009 @ 6:12 pm