Tigers for Israel are pussycats
By Ted Belman
AtlasShrugs posted Depraved Dhimmitude at Princeton: The Silence of the Lambs
Its all about the disgraceful cancellation by Princeton of Nonie Darwish’s speaking engagement.
Even more disgraceful was the letter of apology sent by Lerner, the head of Tigers for Israel.
Lerner sent an e-mail to the members of the Muslim Students Association apologizing for the initial decision to invite Darwish to campus and explaining that the event had been canceled.
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“I sincerely apologize for offending any person or group on campus, especially the Muslim community, Tigers for Israel deeply regrets the initial sponsorship, and we do not in any way endorse [Darwish’s] views.”
I have know Nonie Darwish for six years now and fully endorse her views.
Diana West calls them Paper Tigers in a devasttaing article..
West is the author of the much acclaimed book The Death of the Grown Up
Rabbi Hausman writes What lies behind Princeton Jewish student self-censorship?
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I was stunned by the cancellation of Nonie Darwish’s talk at Princeton as both a Jew and a Rabbi. I am appalled by the outcome, disappointed at the lack of courage shown by Princeton’s Tigers for Israel and the American Whig-Cliosophic Club. However, I think that the problem borders on a politically correct stupor or psychosis. In an attempt not to offend Muslims or anything Islamic, the campus is silent on Islam. There is neither critical academic exploration into the totality of Islamic doctrine nor on how such doctrine has been put into practice in the 14 centuries since Muhammad and the ‘Ummah burst upon the historic scene from its Arabian Peninsula birthplace. Are the rigors of higher criticism of the Bible (an exercise Rabbis had undertaken 1800 years before Wellhausen’s founding of Higher Biblical Criticism, much of it couched in anti-Semitic jargon) not to be applied to Islam’s foundational sources (Qur’an, Hadith, Sira) for fear of offending? If so, when did the First Amendment’s guarantee of Freedom of Speech include under its umbrella the right not to be offended? This was the argument provided during this most recent Princeton ruckus.
When did it become de rigueur to enforce a code of silence in academia, by professors and students, regarding Islam’s dealings with the kaffir, honor killings, and the like? It seems that Jews, Jewish students and the Jewish professorate, religious leaders such as Princeton’s Director of the Center for Jewish Life, in particular, suffer the pain of cultural and moral relativism. “We have to understand the cultural context/milieu as truth is multifaceted.” In so doing, the forces of decency and reason will wither and die. We Jews and Americans, by our hand, will shirk from robustly defending ourselves, our way of life, our American values and our Jewish identities. The result is self-censorship, a classic dhimmi behavior. The Islamists will only have to threaten the charge of libel and slander, or categorize as an Islamophobe anyone who examines and speaks about the essence of textual Islam. An Islam with its Qur’anic mandated treatment of women as chattel, Islam’s supersessionist and supremacist theology, second class treatment of non-Muslims, death penalty for apostasy, the forced payment of the jizya for non-Muslims, and the inhumanely segregated sexual roles which channel energy into Jihad, etc.
This is a direct result of Jewish leaders who have replaced a thorough grounding in Jewish knowledge and parochial concerns with the myth of universal utopianism, wherein leaders and educators have raised two or more generations of Jews with a complete absence of traditional Jewish values. The demands of mitzvot observance have been replaced with a misplaced emphasis solely on the emotional and spiritual dimensions of life. As a result, so-called secular progressive norms have filled the vacuum. We now have a situation wherein universal truths are no longer taught by our leaders and the space has been filled with “understanding the cultural norms of the other,” multicultural and moral relativism, and an emphasis on liberal politics so pliable that such a worldview can fit any construct.
The result is that we have sent generations of Jewish students to the college campus unable to defend themselves against the slightest anti-Jewish provocations, disconnected from the corpus of Jewish identity fostered by our common texts and history, uninterested or ashamed or embarrassed by Israel’s existence or actions taken by her in her own defense. As Rabbis, we learned that Rabbinic aphorism chutzpha k’lapei shamayim. We have the nerve to challenge the Almighty in contrast to the absolutism of Islam. However, our Campus Rabbis refuse to defend our students or teach them to defend themselves in debate and action. Where is the Campus Rabbinic leadership?
This has been a complete abdication of moral and intellectual leadership by our Jewish leaders in order to appear reasonable. The Islamists know western weakness well. The post-modern, global West does not want to be cast as intolerant. So, we give away the store, strip ourselves of our defenses and hope that we will be left alone. We will lose instead.
I couldn’t be less stunned.
Get on your knees, liberal Jews.
Beg the Jew haters to forgive you for what you are.
Now, squeal like pigs.
Apologize to anti-Semites for inviting a non/anti-Semite to speak at Princeton.
Now thank them for responding by spitting in your faces.
Grovel…grovel…grovel.
Then, grovel some more.
And always remember, liberal Jews…you must never spit…just swallow.
Comment by ayn reagan — November 21, 2009 @ 6:45 pm
This pathetic story represents the latest smoking gun in the infinite arsenal which proves the futility of Narvey’s position.
How can logic and reason be brought to bear on liberal Jews who apologize to bigots for inviting someone who opposes bigotry?
The Muslim Students Union calling Darwish a bigot is like the Klan calling Martin Luther King a racist.
Darwish opposes Islamists who slaughter Christians and threaten genocide against Jews, yet in the Lewis Carroll world of academia that makes her evil.
And the response of liberal Jews?
Beg anti-Semites for forgiveness.
Attempting to reason with such dazed eunuchs is an exercise in futility.
There is no fact nor data set that can transform liberal Jews into rational human beings.
Comment by ayn reagan — November 21, 2009 @ 7:18 pm
It’s beyond pathetic that the misnamed Tigers for Israel is what passes for pro-Israel activism on campus. I’m sure the muslims are having a good laugh at that.
Meanwhile liberal Jews push away friends like Nonie Darwish in hopes of gaining the approval of those who’s relgious doctrine commands them to hate and kill Jews.
I am ashamed and embarrassed by cowardly and self-hating left wing Jews.
Comment by Laura — November 21, 2009 @ 7:51 pm
That is the American liberal Jewish agenda: alienate friends while capitulating to enemies.
Visit the ADL website to see this phenomenon at its most extreme. Foxman has constructed a left wing fantasy world in which Jews are menaced by evil Christians who also ruthlessly persecute the Hebrews’ good friends, the Muslims. No mention of genocidal Islamic anti-Semitism. No mention of the repeated Muslim homicidal attacks on American synagogues and Jewish community centers.
Just a liberal Jewish fable about how the “teabaggers” and “town hall attendees” constitute a mortal threat to Jews.
Comment by ayn reagan — November 21, 2009 @ 9:03 pm
See who you Know:
JEWISH S.H.I.T. LIST
Self-Hating and/or Israel-Threatening
http://www.masada2000.org/list-A.html
http://www.masada2000.org/list-F.html
Comment by yamit82 — November 21, 2009 @ 9:25 pm
Reads like a Who’s Who Of Who’s Headed For Hell (But Not Soon Enough).
It does pain me, though, that Israel lacks the acceptance of an unfunny little mishkite who seduces his girlfriend’s adopted daughter.
Can Israel truly be free until Woody Allen blesses it?
As Queen Of The Hebrews I offer the Egyptians the following exchange: You give the Tribe Nonie Darwish, and we will give you Allen plus a self-hating liberal Jew to be named later.
Comment by ayn reagan — November 21, 2009 @ 9:54 pm
I think Peskin might challenge you for the title of of Top Queen of the Hebes, but since he is so into the NT, he might just have taken himself out of the running.
I think I might have to resubmit his name to the S.H.I.T LIST, Last time I threatened they were shut down by the Cyber Cops and I never managed then forgot about it. Now that he is back, I will.
Home page for the site is : http://www.masada2000.org/index.html
Comment by yamit82 — November 21, 2009 @ 10:58 pm
I should not have eaten prior to reading this article. Nautious is the word. Last night, on Shabbas, our Liberal Rabbi spoke about how Liberal Jews are as good as Cnservative ones. So much bull shit. I hope that he reads this.
Comment by Ed D — November 22, 2009 @ 2:19 am
Ayn, you took my name in vain. Out of interest, just what is my position that you claim is futile? I would like to know myself.
Comment by Bill Narvey — November 22, 2009 @ 2:25 am
Belman-ayn-narvey
Is it not enough that Israelis are divided along numerous fault lines.
Religion
National origin
class and education
Blue collar vs white collar
etnicity
And now we have the real kicker and the above is a good example of what is taking place throughout the Jewish world. A political divide and the kind of brutal, vitiolic,foaming at the mouth,hateful,despical attack of Jew against Jew. We have found the new convenient whipping boy, the liberal/leftist/demon.The fount of all evil. But what is forgotton is that is music to the ears of our enemies. The Islamists are laughing while the likes of an ayn is venting and further dividing our people. This was the history of biblical Israel.By tearing itself apart,it committed collective suicide. How many screeds of this nature must we endure?
Ted, this past Thurday I attended a reception for a book launch -David Solway’s latest publication. Present were Barbara Kay, National Post columnist and a few other Jewish writers. I engaged in friendly debate with both Barbara and David. When I mentioned that I occasionally blog on Israpundit, they burst out laughing. They both agreed that Israpundit has become a joke, a shlock site that does not merit attention. I felt embarrased that I had brought up Israpundit.
It is interesting that both David Solway and Barbara Kay are not leftists but on the contrary can be best descibed as very conservative. Perhaps, the aynes, the Lauras, Yamits and those many others of similar calibre have lowered the standards of Israpundit to a level of mediocrity. I do not propose censorship but if personal attacks, hateful language,and obscenity can be reduced, Israpundit can once again be taken seriously, as it had in the past.
It is all a matter of enforcing the present rules.
Comment by h peskin — November 22, 2009 @ 2:37 am
Narvey:
Narvey, dont’t worry yourself. In the world of extremists, a moderate centrist such as yourself is perceived to be a far leftist, a kind of a Maoist.
This is a fact, according to my very good friend, A Einstein, the formulator of the theory of relativety.
Comment by h peskin — November 22, 2009 @ 2:52 am
Ed D:
You should have not eaten because your posts are becoming top heavy, paunchy-yes overweight.Might I suggest that you reduce your posts to perhaps twice a year as a weight reduction measure. Your health is important to us all.
Comment by h peskin — November 22, 2009 @ 2:57 am
If the liberal Jews prevail, there will be no Jews. There will be appeasement followed shortly thereafter by annihilation.
The same principle applies to liberal and conservative Christians. If liberal Christians would have had their way, the Soviet Union would remain intact and Russian Christians would still be prohibited from practicing their faith. Fortunately, conservative Christians imposed their will (via Ronald Reagan), and naturally liberty ensued.
But liberals never learn. They are oblivious to reality and exist in a nonexistent theoretical world. To the Left, there is no empirical evidence…only leftist cant.
Liberals supported the Oslo Accords, which resulted in more Jewish deaths than anything since the Holocaust. Having witnessed that carnage, they now support Oslo II. Emulating their own failures. It is what liberals are currently doing on health care, and it is what they do best.
Well, bending over for anti-Semites is actually what liberal Jews do best. The Tigers For Israel just did their finest Jenna Jameson impression for the Muslim Students Union. The inevitability is that the MSA will reciprocate with total contempt.
And justifiably so.
I certainly hope that extremists like me!!! WHO FOAM AT THE MOUTH!!!!! are divisive. No one should seek to unify with jellyfish who apologize for inviting a champion of human rights to speak at a university.
Comment by ayn reagan — November 22, 2009 @ 4:03 am
Your right on Ayn. These students are the off springs of the liberal Jews. I am begining to understand what Yamit (Uncle Nahum) is talking about when he refers to them as sel-hating Jews.
Rabbis Hausman is correct when he asked, where is the Jewish leadership.
Time for American Jews to stop being ashamed of being Jewish. They should be proud and bold. Nothing ever to be ashamed of.
Radical Islam knows they can intimidate and cry foul when challenged.
The Fort Hood masacre is an example of political correctness gone astray.
Sara Palin even pointed out, time for Americans to profile. If Muslims don’t like it, so what.
Had to take a break, watching the final two games, Cal leading Stanford 24-14 however Standford is on the 1/2 yard line and ready to score and Nebraska is leading Kansas State 17-3.
PennState Nittany Lions took Michigan State 41-14.
Comment by rongrand — November 22, 2009 @ 4:54 am
I’m glad you told me this. I have known Barbara Kay since university and have had social intercourse with her a couple of times in the last five years. She has been on my mailing list from the beginning. We are both conservative but perhaps race to different degrees.
As for Solway, I have never met him or corresponded with him. As you know I often post his articles. Recently I promoted his book at the request of his publisher.
They are both very intelligent and articulate.
Without naming you, I intend to write to them and ask their opinion.
As for Israpundit, I am proud of my contribution and position. I am a moderate rightwinger with many liberal ideas. I am quite prepared to accept less than everything, providing the Arabs are more forthcoming, make major concessions and embrace peace. Since that is not in the offing I advocate for the most.
While there are a couple of more extreme types that participate regularly on Israpundit, yourself included, I allow as much diversity as I can. I am loath to shut people down.
I will let you know what they say to me.
Comment by Ted Belman — November 22, 2009 @ 6:51 am
Thx Peskin for finally joining me in noting that vitriolic, sarcastic and name calling attacks by some commenters against others reflects very poorly on Israpundit and on those who engage in such attacks, a point I have repeatedly made over the years.
Ayn proudly proclaims,
That is nothing to be proud of.
Then again, extremists typically suffer from an abundance of arrogance in seeing themselves as noble, righteous, superior and justified in however they choose to give expression to their extremist views and raging extremist passions.
Ayn you are entitled I guess to be as impressed and proud of yourself as you are crowing about, but make no mistake that the sounds you hear from this side, are not applause.
Comment by Bill Narvey — November 22, 2009 @ 7:10 am
Yes, liberal Jews are ashamed of strong, brave, handsome IDF soldiers but apparently they are proud of being represented by a little, nerotic, nebish like Woody Allen.
Comment by Laura — November 22, 2009 @ 8:01 am
Narvey& PESKIN, PESKIN & NARVEY, NARVEY & PESKIN, PESKIN & NARVEY, NARVEY & PESKIN, PESKIN & NARVEY, NARVEY & PESKIN, PESKIN -
“When you sleep with dogs don’t complain if you wake up with fleas and tics”
reflects very poorly on Israpundit and on those who engage in such attacks,
Your opinion! Unless you can show some verifiable data in support of your contention it remains just your opinion. Have you any reliable indication or feedback that anything that you have posted over the years is memorable enough for a single reader here on Israpundit to have remembered it? Can you show with any proof that what you call civil discourse is any more effective than what you accuse others( OF UNCIVIL DISCOURSE ), mostly me I assume, in the manner: what and how I present my opinions here?
In your world of WUSS everything serves the the perception. The real problems you misidentify and thus misconceive with opinions that mostly are a self indulgent exercise in word manipulation for narcissist intellectual masturbation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWAu8jZ9jiw&feature=related
Notice, Not one pejorative cuss word or ad hominem.
Note: I find it amusing that on a site whose official raison d’etre, is Israel advocacy, that you choose to side with style over substance, that puts you (even if you claim to be pro Israel?) in the superficial and shallow pool of mindless dwarfs so predominate in the Jewish world today.
For people like you Narvey, Memory is the ultimate “thought-crime.” People like you Complement the distortion of the present and forgetting the past. You have consistently sided with those here on Israpundit for whom: “the past was erased, the erasure was forgotten, the lies became truth.”
Comment by yamit82 — November 22, 2009 @ 10:13 am
Yamit, common sense escapes you. Your little tirade #18 serves as a good example.
I am ignoring for now your wide ranging mean spirited, unfair, and unjustified ad hominem attack on me. I will however address your one point made where you say that in my comments, I put style over substance.
I disagree there too, but do note that I do place importance on both style and substance.
Common sense, at least in the world I inhabit says that to be effective, persuasive and convincing in one’s views, it is not just what you say, but how you say it that are important.
Consider for a moment the writings of authors of articles and essays posted as the lead posts on Israpundit.
Almost all those authors pay heed to this bit of common sense, which as I noted at the outset of my comment here, for some reason escapes you.
Comment by Bill Narvey — November 22, 2009 @ 3:01 pm
Well, yamit, Mister Narvey finds you and me to be sorely lacking, whereas peskin apparently is a kindred vigilant spirit.
If only Israpundit consisted exclusively of Narvey and peskin, think of the civilized discourse that would prevail.
I hope you are experiencing the deep sense of shame that accompanies having been identified as unacceptable.
I know I am.
Comment by ayn reagan — November 22, 2009 @ 3:18 pm
Define for me common sense?
most articles you mention few read and fewer pay any heed to them. Their individual and cumulative influence on anything they write is Zilch. No person in power political or otherwise formulates or changes policy of behavior based on articles of varying abilities and insights. Experience shows that most centers of power in the world are so arrogant and egotistical that except for a small circle of advisors they picked and are influenced by; none other than whom they trust to advise are listened to.
Violence or the threat of violence does influence, just look at where Peskins friends are today. Without violence and the threat of violence would we not still be holding on to all of the Liberated Jewish lands from 67?
How many years has the Israeli conflict been going on? How many millions of words written on the conflict? How much to most people know or care of the germane facts and truth of the conflict? You would think with all the millions of words written that some few would have an understanding of the conflict, even superficially, wouldn’t you? Even staunch supports of Israel Like you and Ted who are willing to make concessions and compromises. That proves that words count for little in final perceptions and understanding.
One act of violence like doffing Rabin does more to change the course of history than all of the words written by the most insightful writers of words and disseminators of ideas.
Most people even those who do read occasionally are so obtuse that occasionally they need to jostled to attract their limited and short attention span.
Comment by yamit82 — November 22, 2009 @ 5:25 pm
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Comment by yamit82 — November 22, 2009 @ 5:28 pm
I was civil, not one ad homenim, not one cuss word. I can’t imagine what he complaining about? I just tried to prove a point and it went over his head.
I could have said the same thing with about ten words out of Laura’s dictionary and gotten my point over much clearer.
Shame is when I knowingly screw up, not over someone else’s.
I had to replace my solar water heater today and have gotten estimates for fixing a leaky roof. That’s upset!!! My shame here is I put it off too long and last week got rained on, in my house. Thats shame for me.
Comment by yamit82 — November 22, 2009 @ 5:42 pm
This is unduly harsh. Makes me wish Israpundit had a mechanism through which to register disapproval via a troll rating.
I love Laura’s dictionary. There is never any doubt where she stands, and she communicates much using few words. That embodies the very essence of eloquence.
Return to SoCal. You will need neither heat nor roof. You can share my dumpster behind the Seven Eleven on Barrington and Santa Monica. The weather is great, and the Slurpees aren’t bad, either.
Comment by ayn reagan — November 22, 2009 @ 6:05 pm
Responding to two points you made Yamit:
I disagree. In 1967, the Arabs were beaten and beaten badly. Violence was ended. Jerusalem, Gaza and J & S were solidly in Israel’s hands.
Israel made a huge mistake in allowing the Muslim Waqf Trust authority over the Temple Mount. The Trust should have been booted off the mount. There doubtless would have been a hue and cry, but so what. The Arabs were in no position to take action.
Israel then might well have considered annexing not only Jerusalem, but significant portions of J & S such as all of Hebron and environs and perhaps Gaza as well, while holding the rest of the territories as bargaining chips.
Israel made a terrible tactical blunder by failing to do those things when the fight had been beaten out of the Arabs.
I am not sure what concessions and compromises you are referring to.
I have expressed quite a number of positions, some of which include:
a. The Oslo accords and other interim agreements - Israel should have ensured that whatever concession they gave could be reclaimed should the Palestinians fail to keep their end of the bargain. The Palestinians have failed to keep all significant promises and agreements.
Israel I think unwisely has continued to insist that the agreements are valid and binding and that the Palestinians must honour their promises and agreements. At some point Israel should have and perhaps should now resile from the agreements as having been fundamentally and irreversably breached by the Palestinians and take action to regain that which they gave away.
Where I think we disagree in this regard Yamit is that you believe such agreements ought not to have been entered into at all, however I do not think we are disagreed on how Israel should respond to the Palestinian fundamental breaches of promises and agreements.
b. Israel should not give back the Golan.
c. 2 state solution. There can be no 2 state solution until Palestinians and Arabs rid their culture of Jew/Israel hatred and dreams of reclaiming all of Israel for themselves.
That said, Israel is in no position to annex all of J & S now because of the large Palestinian population in the disuputed territories. Population transfer of course would be a quick fix, but the Palestinians and Arabs with the world’s support will not go along with that.
Essentially the Palestinian and Arab mindset is not to agree to anything, even if it can be good for them, if by so agreeing Israel derives benefit.
Regardless of Abbas speaking of a 2 state solution, given all else that he says means he is more concerned with Israel’s elimination then with achieving a Palestinian state.
The recent Palestinian initiative to unilaterally declare a Palestinian state and have the UN give its imprimateur to that is not receiving the support Abbas and Fayad expected.
It is easy to say that the 2 state solution is dead, but given all the factors and reasons why that solution is dead, which continue to exist, stands in the way of finding an alternate viable solution.
I have suggested therefore that Israel’s best position is to not engage in negotiations in any meaningful way and to maintain the uneasy and sometimes harmful status quo until some new game changing factor emerges or can be created by positions Israel takes, which may lead to a new peace paradigm.
d. The expanded Israeli presence in J & S is extensive. It will be absolutely impossible, financially or logistically to abandon those developed areas and to move all Israelis in those developments into Israel’s thus far agreed borders and restore them fully to the lives they now have.
To conclude Yamit, just what positions do you refer to when you say Ted and I have advocated concessions and compromises which you obviously disagree with?
Comment by Bill Narvey — November 22, 2009 @ 7:53 pm
David Solway has replied to me and put the lie to Pesky. I am waiting for permission to post his email.
Comment by Ted Belman — November 22, 2009 @ 8:07 pm
Functional communication I call it, no wasted words effort or confusion of intent and meaning. Look what Lincoln did with Gettysburg? Or the public toilet graffiti: Nietzsche: G-d is dead! G-d: Nietzsche is dead!
Share with what? With whom? What you got in the dumpster?
Believe me when I say I have lived in worse than a 7-11 dumpster. That said I love slurpees and living behind you might be fun if not interesting. Been searching for a muse anyway. Narvey doesn’t cut the mustard. No sense of Humor, can’t laugh at himself.
Comment by yamit82 — November 22, 2009 @ 9:02 pm
Narvey as a lawyer you are aware than once a principle has been breached all that is left is the negotiations over the price to be paid and or awarded. My disagreement is the already breached principle; that the so called territories are ours and we should not give up a single inch unless defeated in battle. War is preferable than giving any portion of the Land of Israel to a non Jew no less an enemy.
Like you and Ted as well as many others including most of our politicians, who share more or less your opinions. They like you and Ted are wrong and if allowed to continue can only bring to us disasters. Understand there can be no secure or defensible borders today even if our final border is the Jordan. He who controls the high ground controls the country as a whole not to mention the all important water aquifers. If we don’t claim all of Y and Sharon as ours then it isn’t and we are then truly occupiers and will have no rest till we are pushed back sooner or later to really indefensible borders. This the is a zero sum situation. It’s an either or : Ours or theirs. We have sent the world and our own citizens the message that those lands are not ours. Your very willingness to compromise under certain conditions underlines the weakness of your positions. You have problems digesting the options? I don’t we annexed the Golan and all of Jerusalem and nobody recognized the annexation. That didn’t stop us from annexation. The best way to get rid of the Arabs legally is to annex then drive them out. Most will go willingly and we won’t have to use force on so many and even not have to kill to many as well. Your way is Just Jewish cowardliness and there are many maybe even enough Jews here who don’t know the meaning of sharing our country and cowering in the face of those who either killed our relatives or stood by and did nothing, who stood on the sidelines in 48 expecting our end and again in 67 did what they could to hold us back also expecting the Arabs to finish us off.
I say Fuck em all, We will not behave like the Jews you represent who were willing lamb Chops. Never again means we will fight in the future and not go as sheep to anybodies slaughter.
Being alone does not intimidate us, that’s our biblical and Jewish mandate. A Nation that dwells alone.
Comment by yamit82 — November 22, 2009 @ 9:45 pm
I resent this statement and I am sure it’s fictional. The truth is the statement is being made by a joker.
Comment by rongrand — November 22, 2009 @ 10:12 pm
I wrote to David Solway and he was in total disagreement with Pesky. He views him as most of us do and greatly respects Israpundit. His publisher also wrote to me to confirm their good opinion. I am waiting to hear from Barbara Kay.
I can’t share what he said about Peskin because it was strongly worded but I can share this quote
You recall, I think, that I mentioned you quite favourably in one of my FrontPage essays, relying on your knowledge of abstruse facets of international law. That should be enough to put paid to that xxxxxxx’s slander.
The publisher wrote “the authors here at Mantua Books have a lot of respect for you personally and for your excellent website.”
You can imagine Pesky as a die hard leftist. He actually attacks everything Kay and Solway stand for just as he does to us.
He just posted a comment on this post in which he writes
“IN BOTH IN YOUR WRITINGS AND THAT OF BARBARA KAY VERY OF LITTLE OF THE ABOVE IS EVER ADDRESSED. THE SITUATION AS OUTLINED ABOVE ARE MAINLY FAILURES OF THE RIGHT. INSTEAD YOU AND TO A LESSER DEGREE BARBARA, RAIL AGAINST THE LEFT, WHICH FOR MANY HAVE BECOME A CONVENIENT WHIPPING BOY. IT IS ALWAYS GOOD TO HAVE SOME CAUSE OR MOVEMENT TO VENT OUR FRUSTRATIONS ON FOR CURRENT FAILURES”
Can you even imagine Solway talking to Pesky and deriding his ally, Israpundit, to Peskin.
Comment by Ted Belman — November 22, 2009 @ 10:35 pm
Yamit, you are railing against realities and thus find yourself advocating positions that fly in the face of realities.
As I pointed out and you seem to ignore, Israel already won Gaza, J & S and Jerusalem in the 1967 war. That was the best time Israel had to declare all those territories won as being Israel’s fair and square.
Now 42 years later, after so many Israeli agreements, policies, positional statements and concessions, coupled with UNSC Res. 242 that Israel voted for, all of which are antithetical to and in denial of a claim that all those territories are rightfully Israel’s, you maintain that none of that matters and Israel is still completely free to annex all those territories and declare them part of Israel.
Good luck with convincing anyone to your position, save playing to the cheers of those who think like you.
You then say:
As I asked before, what compromises and under what conditions are you speaking of and if my position is weak, then how is it weak and in relation to what?
Finally you say:
Am I right to assume that this position you advocate is to your mind what tough and brave means, whereas those who disagree are weak and cowards? Is your thinking that simple?
You and those relative few who might join you in advocating such an uncompromising and simplistic position are free to consider yourself tough and brave, but you are advocating against the views and positions of not only most of the rest of the world, but Israel as well.
You might find comfort in calling yourself tough and brave for your hardline intransigent view, but making your view a reality cannot be reached by just tough and brave words.
You need the right game plan to convince Israel to go along with it, a game plan for Israel to implement your plan and finally a game plan to ensure Israel can gain the support it needs for your game plan and end game objective.
With your briefly and simplistically stated views about Israel taking the territories for all of Israel and ridding the areas taken of Palestinians one way or another, you are not even close to devising the game plan needed to achieve your goals.
Come on Yamit, wishing does not make it so.
Comment by Bill Narvey — November 22, 2009 @ 11:36 pm
I am surprised only that you took peskin seriously.
It seems that he is a provocateur who amuses himself by seeking feuds.
Last night, I walked on the Santa Monica Pier, and there was a naked man engaged in an animated argument…with himself.
I naturally assumed that was peskin.
Bill, you are such a humorless scold.
I just wish I could get a five cent royalty every time you explain to someone how defective they are.
Politics aside, you do not seem to be very happy.
When I cast “Israpundit: The Movie”, you will be portrayed by Larry Linville (Major Frank Burns)…assuming that I can resurrect him.
yamit will be played by John Malkovich, who is a great actor and also feigns having conquered Tina Louise.
rongrand will be played by Sidney Poitier (hey, he is such a good actor I think he can play Caucasian…assuming ron is Caucasian).
I am having a hard time visualizing Laura (age?), but personality wise I am leaning towards Sean Young…who is one of my favorites and a real kickass broad.
I believe Ed D mentioned having grandchildren - I could be wrong - but if he is of that vintage he will be played by Clint Eastwood.
Ted is the strong, largely silent looming presence, so his part will be taken by the most underrated of actors (who should have gotten an Oscar for “Platoon”) Tom Berenger.
Seeing as how I am extremist and so very mouth-frothing, my role has to be assumed by either Roseanne Barr or that animalistic girl in the Yoplait commercial who eats yogurt by sucking the contents out of the carton without bothering to open it.
peskin? Well, I am leaning towards the Olsen Twins.
Comment by ayn reagan — November 23, 2009 @ 12:57 am
RandyTexas? How about Gary Sinise?
Comment by ayn reagan — November 23, 2009 @ 1:03 am
The actor Gary Sinise that received the Pesidential Citizens Medal from President George W. Bush for his humanitarian contributions to Iraqi school children and his involvement in the USO—who is also the executive producer of Brothers at War, the award winning documentary about an American military family and the Iraq war?
What about him?
Comment by RandyTexas — November 23, 2009 @ 1:38 am
Casting director ayn, might I recommend this character for Randy:
Kinky Friedman - They Ain’t Makin Jews Like Jesus Anymore
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElDtH7rP3T0&feature=related
I’m Proud To Be An Asshole From El Paso
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzfei3jG_To&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a50gPRSi3Ic&NR=1
Comment by yamit82 — November 23, 2009 @ 2:10 am
Love John Malkovich and he is a great actor, as an alternative may I suggest Brando playing joey in “ON THE WATERFRONT”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0waNRaz6wU
Comment by yamit82 — November 23, 2009 @ 2:19 am
Be content with Malkovich.
The second choice was Kathy Bates.
Comment by ayn reagan — November 23, 2009 @ 2:22 am
Obviously I missed what was happen here with the casting of Israpundit, The Movie. But, yeah, Kinky can probably pull of being me, even though he’s liberal—if he can handle acting conservative. I play guitar also, so that would be a plus. Besides, I consider myself a conservative who is trapped inside of a wacky liberal’s body, so it’s not like it would be all that hard for Kinky to relate to many aspects of the character.
Comment by RandyTexas — November 23, 2009 @ 2:39 am
Lon Chaney, Jr.?
Comment by ayn reagan — November 23, 2009 @ 2:56 am
I do, and we must have leadership in place to take advantage forced or otherwise of any opportunity that is bound to present itself hopefully in the not too distant future. I refuse to accede to your reality that contradicts all of Jewish history and the last hundred years especially. In Jewish history apparent realities account for crap.
I don’t need luck and don’t believe in the concept as it is antithetical to the basic concept in Judaism the the G-d of Israel manifests his will through history and we are partners in the cosmic scheme of things. we have fought 5 major wars against the Arab nations and some minor conflicts. We failed ourselves by making the wrong decisions and paid a heavy price for our failure and so we will get more chances but having each time to pay a heavier price for not doing G-ds will in the first place but we will have more opportunities to correct our failures and do teshuvah.
Yes! but not necessarily physical cowardliness but moral and spiritual. The fear of the gentiles for example. The fear of what others might think for example. The fear of isolation for example. The fear of not being liked , loved or accepted by others , individuals or nations for example.
According to the most recent polls here, a majority of Israeli Jews are with me, but our leadership has yet to catch up with the popular sentiment. Changing BB would be a good first step. As far as the rest of the world, as Arafat liked to quote they can go drink the waters off the Gaza coast and I might recommend drinking dead sea waters as a chaser, call it my version of a boilermaker.
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No it doesn’t but it puts me light years ahead of you in terms of where we should and need to go. Where we should be, where we need to be. In your parlance it;s called vision or goals.
No plans ever work it happens with short or minute micro steps that can be controlled, adjusted to circumstance when needed but always keeping the vision and goals in sight. The Bradbury butterfly effect always defeats plans and policies prdicated on medium and long term. Call it the Law of unforeseen consequences. Small incremental micro steps is the only way until circumstance present themselves for an obvious and advantageous move in reaching my stated goal. This could also be a generational process, we can’t predict the timing.
I won;t have to convince anyone even if I could which I can’t but the Arab enemies and the Nations of the world will at the end of the day do the convincing needed , of that I am not in doubt.
When the Army is asked to prepare a future battlefield scenario they develop operational plans for every contingency and present 3-4 of them to the political executive. Problem is they seldom if ever A- Choose the right plan and B- conditions on the ground always force the military to change and adapt so that the original concept and execution are completely different than what was developed proposed and implemented. Keep the vision and goal in front of you and adapt as necessary to changing conditions on the ground.
Come on Yamit, wishing does not make it so.
No it doesn’t, but as Herzl said: “If you wish it it’s no dream” He was proved right we are here.
Comment by yamit82 — November 23, 2009 @ 3:13 am
Yamit and Ayn,
Some support for your position Yamit is found in Eli E. Hertz’s interesting article UN Security Council Resolution 242 Adopted: November 22, 1967
http://www.mythsandfacts.org/Conflict/10/Resolution-242.pdf
Still, Israel must take this position if Hertz’s views can become grounded.
Ayn, I would choose expressionless Ben Stein to play me. As for Ted, I think I would go with Christopher Plummer. Sean Young is a good choice for you, but a better choice I think would be Sigourney Weaver, bearing in mind the kind of kick ass Ripley role she played in Alien and the sequels.
By the way Ayn, I liked your movie analogy. It was creative and humourous and yes, I do have very humourous side to me, which admittedly does not often come through on this blog.
As for Yamit, Malkovitch is usually cool and under acts.
Yamit is the most intense and humourless blogger of us all, so I would have chosen Rod Steiger to play Yamit.
Casting movie roles is a fun distraction. We should be doing fun kinds of distractions more often on this blog.
Comment by Bill Narvey — November 23, 2009 @ 3:20 am
I always confused Kathy Bates with Roseanne Barr? sort of look alike don’t ya think?
Comment by yamit82 — November 23, 2009 @ 3:23 am
Great. Let it show. Then I can recast your part with Gene Wilder. Or if you are really expressionless…Steven Wright, who just happens to be G-d’s gift to comedy.
Certainly intense. But humorless? Still, Rod Steiger was such a good actor he could play anyone. As a matter of fact, I would have been flattered to have Rod Steiger play me.
Kathy Bates is the best actress in the world. Roseanne Barr is three hundred pounds of anti-Semitic sewage. I therefore recuse myself as a judge due to extreme bias.
Comment by ayn reagan — November 23, 2009 @ 3:34 am
Heh I’m not humorless!! Why are you attacking me?
Ted: Gregory peck in the character of Atticus “To Kill a Mockingbird”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QRvwmswq-0&feature=related
Narvey Charles laughton “Witness for the Prosecution”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Op3zA9XaUKQ
Peskin; as Monty Python “The Life of Brian” “Biggus Dickus”
Comment by yamit82 — November 23, 2009 @ 3:45 am
By the way Yamit, I too dream and wish that Israel would annex all J & S to become part of the sovereign state of Israel, Palestinian population transfer out of J & S could be had voluntarily with Arab and other nations absorbing them and Israeli Arabs would make a bone fide pledge of allegience to Israel first or choose to leave. As for Israel herself, I wish that she could find a way to remain democratic while incorporating more Judaic features and aspects to her laws and social values and norms to make Israel an unmistakeable Jewish state that is Jewish in every respect.
In this regard, my wish is pretty much the same as yours.
Where we differ however is that I do not see Israel making such moves in current circumstances and indeed, from the outset with the provisions of her Declaration of Independence, with the positions, policies and actions of subsequent Israeli leadership and with the anti-Israel challenges of world opinion, pressures and threats, I see no one in Israeli politics who can carry that off.
Yes, Herzl said: “If you wish it it’s no dream”. Contrary to what you say however, it took a tremendous effort and many game plans, plus the then UN members guilt over the Holocaust to make that dream come true.
You wish your dream would be true, but you are missing all the steps and game plans necessary to make your dream come true.
As I said in another post, unless some great Israeli leader shares the wish and vision we both have and who has the strenth and wisdom to make that dream come true, it will take a game changing event, such as another major war that sees Israel again devastating her enemies, but this time unlike 1967, Israel would act to keep all her spoils of victory.
Comment by Bill Narvey — November 23, 2009 @ 3:46 am
Yamit, I wasn’t attacking you. Steiger was a great actor. Your choices of Peck and Laughton to play Ted and me are not bad either.
Comment by Bill Narvey — November 23, 2009 @ 3:49 am
Laura should love this!
Peskin Biggus dikus Monty Python
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K8_jgiNqUc
Comment by yamit82 — November 23, 2009 @ 3:51 am
Not the Steiger Narvey
Narvey I was just trying to mimic you. Oh well?
Comment by yamit82 — November 23, 2009 @ 3:56 am
I see ron as James Baskett
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcxYwwIL5zQ&feature=related
Comment by yamit82 — November 23, 2009 @ 4:07 am
Ann, arrived home awhile ago, granddaughters birthday. She is a peach.
Love your movie.
By the way I am caucasian and I think Sidney is a great actor. Having said that I am not sure he would like to play me. Not very challenging he may take offense to it. I am just a bore. In fact I told my wife just the other day I got the best of the deal when she picked me, she didn’t get a bargain worst of all she doesn’t drink, can’t even use that as an excuse. I just lucked out. At least as often as I tell her “you were right about it hon” she doesn’t rub it in.
Man, Bill played by (Major Burns)wow. Just saw a small segment the other day. In fact years ago my oldest son taped most of the Mash and Cheers episodes.
Comment by rongrand — November 23, 2009 @ 4:12 am
Thanks Uncle. Sometimes I feel like Uncle Remus. I saw the movie when it came out 1948, I was 13 and he was old then.
Comment by rongrand — November 23, 2009 @ 4:20 am
Just for fun lots of material here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAP4qU4wJ8E&NR=1
Loved Lombard and Powell
Comment by yamit82 — November 23, 2009 @ 4:41 am
Laura as Betty Hutton in Annie Get You Gun
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY7Hh5PzELo
Comment by yamit82 — November 23, 2009 @ 4:47 am
Uncle Nahum, you may have a good point. Based on what Laura says and how she says it, I would agree.
I just can’t picture Laura. I kinda get the feeling she is a young lady who is not afraid to say what she feels.
Comment by rongrand — November 23, 2009 @ 5:09 am
Ann, arrived home awhile ago, granddaughters birthday. She is a peach.
Love your movie.
By the way I am caucasian and I think Sidney is a great actor. Having said that I am not sure he would like to play me. Not very challenging he may take offense to it. I am just a bore. In fact I told my wife just the other day I got the best of the deal when she picked me, she didn’t get a bargain worst of all she doesn’t drink, can’t even use that as an excuse. I just lucked out. At least as often as I tell her “you were right about it hon” she doesn’t rub it in.
Man, Bill played by (Major Burns)wow. Just saw a small segment the other day. In fact years ago my oldest son taped most of the Mash and Cheers episodes.
Comment by rongrand — November 23, 2009 @ 4:12 am
Comment by rongrand — November 23, 2009 @ 5:12 am
I’m not that young.
Comment by Laura — November 23, 2009 @ 7:37 am
I’m not that young.
Well, compared to Methuselah ron, we are all young.
Comment by yamit82 — November 23, 2009 @ 8:57 am
Thanks Uncle Nahum.
I am still young at heart.
Just yesterday at my granddaughters birthday party (family) my brother-in-law and I were discussing what it was like years ago growing up. The outhouse out back or on the porch. The old coal stove that heated the whole house and where you ran to when you awoke those cold mornings.
We both agreed, although many say they wish for the good old days, forget it. Thank goodness they are in the past.
Comment by rongrand — November 23, 2009 @ 1:17 pm
That seems to be unanimous. He was superb. I also found Ustinov quite amusing. He belongs in the Israpundit movie somewhere (”Petroneus, are you a Christeid?” - Ustinov as Nero)
BTW, what was the tread topic here?
Comment by RandyTexas — November 23, 2009 @ 3:50 pm
Young at heart, older, mature and intelligent is beautiful.
Comment by rongrand — November 23, 2009 @ 4:03 pm
I agree.
Comment by Laura — November 23, 2009 @ 11:01 pm
ayne reagan:
Hells, bells, ayne why did you let him get away? Do you remember the last time you were within 5 metres from a naked man. That was a gift from G.d.Obviously an overheated Chabadnick davamin Mincha.
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hp wins game, set and match
Yamit-bud out,tend to your
own garden.
Comment by h peskin — November 23, 2009 @ 11:55 pm
rongrandBy the way I am caucasian and I think Sidney is a great actor. Having said that I am not sure he would like to play me. Not very challenging he may take offense to it. I am just a bore. In fact I told my wife just the other day I got the best of the deal when she picked me, she didn’t get a bargain worst of all she doesn’t drink, can’t even use that as an excuse. I just lucked out. At least as often as I tell her “you were right about it hon” she doesn’t rub it ———————————————————————
Finally I can agree wholeheartedly with one of your posts.
Particularly where you write I AM JUST A BORE.
Absolutely no argument about that.
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HP wins, game, set and match.
In a breeze.
Yamit , don’t be a budinsky
Comment by h peskin — November 24, 2009 @ 12:28 am
As boring as I may be I still love my Jewish friends and neighbors and support Israel.
With respects to Israpundit, I enjoy being surrounded by the most beautiful and intelligent friends, Yamit (Uncle Nahum), Ayn, Laura, Bill Narvey, Ed D and a few more. For a boring guy this is tough to beat.
Now when I run into my Jewish friends I ask them to check in with Caroline Glick and Israpundit. Great exposure.
Comment by rongrand — November 24, 2009 @ 12:45 am
I’ll bet you can remember when you were last with a naked man.
Any one is better than the effete fagots you sleep with.
Peskin you seem to be reacting like a hysterical child caught in a lie. That’s what you leftist nihilists do. Since you can’t argue against the truth you become creative/ you fall back on Lies. It also proves you to be a stupid liar as a smart lie is one that is uncheckable.
Comment by yamit82 — November 24, 2009 @ 1:22 am
John Greenlief Whittier a shitty poet
What of us lies in the hearts of others is our truest and deepest self. Herder, Johann Gottfried Von
Brave is the lion tamer, brave is the world subduer, but braver is the one who has subdued himself. Herder, Johann Gottfried Von
Comment by yamit82 — November 24, 2009 @ 1:36 am
Peskin, rongrad is something you will never be: A MENSCH
Comment by yamit82 — November 24, 2009 @ 1:40 am
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hp wins game, set and match
Yamit-bud out,tend to your
own garden.
My Garden is like your broad Jewish tent.
From anyone else requesting my non interference, I might consider but from you: for me its a red cape of a matador. I am in this instance the angry bull.
Your tennis terms are a joke, I doubt you can play and if you could have never won against any minor or competent opponent. You are the type of predator who seeks out those he considers weakest and infirm, mostly women. Me I would bitch slap you 5 ways to Sunday and enjoy every moment.
Comment by yamit82 — November 24, 2009 @ 1:55 am