Obama wants return of all territories
By Ted Belman
On the heels of Netanyahu’s settlement freeze announcement yesterday, Hillary Clinton had this to say,
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“Today’s announcement by the government of Israel helps move forward toward resolving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. We believe that through good-faith negotiations the parties can mutually agree on an outcome which ends the conflict and reconciles the Palestinian goal of an independent and viable state based on the 1967 lines, with agreed swaps, and the Israeli goal of a Jewish state with secure and recognized borders that reflect subsequent developments and meet Israeli security requirements.”
And that is a mouthful.
No mention of refugees or Jerusalem. This could be significant. Netanyahu keeps drawing the line on Jerusalem demanding it remain Israel’s undivided capital.
But it envisages every inch being given back facilitated by land swaps. Thus Israel could keep all settlement blocks including Ariel and Maaleh Adumin providing she swaps land to compensate. If this were the deal, she would still have to expell about 50,000 Israelis give or take 20,000.
This deal is not doable. Then what?
What upsets me is Hillary and likewise the community organizing acorn Muslim president should not interfere in Israel affairs. They should be neutral and if they need to take sides, of course Israel an established democracy, a true friend and ally of the US, it’s a no brainier.
PM Netanyahu needs to do what is best for Israel and her people and disregard comments by any other government.
Israel is a sovereign Jewish Nation entitled to all the respects and G-d given rights to her domain.
I am not an expert of the ME, having said that I believe the attempts to forge a Palestinian State in Israel is a no no, you can’t force a square peg in a round hole.
Please, the world needs to sit back and recognize this and let Israel maintain her sovereignty over the land from the River Jordan to the Mediterranean, including Judea, Samaria, Gaza, the Golan Heights and the Sinai.
Of course with the capital being Jerusalem.
If this was achieved, I am sure her Arab neighbors would benefit greatly from this tiny but giant nation.
RONGRAND – You make perfect sense. It’s not about land swaps. It’s the very existence of an Arab state on Jewish land that is unacceptable. And foreign interference and micromanagement has no place in a sovereign state.
Hillary Rotten Clinton had This to say: Cigar? What Cigar?”Bill has his, I have mine”
Sort of reminds me of the Adams Family who compared to the Clintons seem very normative
BB is bearing the brunt of much ire from both within and outside the Knesset for his seemingly submissive decision to accede to Pres. Obama’s demands to the extent of committing to a 10 month settlement freeze.
Hillary Clinton, one of the mouthpieces for anti-Israel Obama, with her statement about Israel’s return to 1967 lines with adjustments offset by landswaps to the Palestinians that were never part of UNSCR 242, should heat up criticism levelled at Netanyahu from within Israel.
It should also heat up Jewish anti-Obama sentiments in America, but likely it will not.
The best that can be hoped from Netanyahu’s 10 month settlement freeze is that the Palestinians will not bite and thus there will be no negotiations over the next 10 months while Israel at least, looks like the one trying to get peace negotiations started, whereas the Palestinians are the fly in that ointment.
Perhaps that was Netanyahu’s plan from the get go, not that he would ever dare publically state so. If it was not Netanyahu’s thinking and he really is bent on either pursuing the land for peace paradigm or is bent over double as Obama sticks it to him from behind, Netanyahu is not the PM that Israel needs. That said, there does not appear to be any better and electable Israeli waiting in the wings.
If nothing happens in the next 10 months because of Palestinian refusal to bend on their pre-condition demands to peace negotiations, then once again the Palestinians for all their hatred and intransigence will by some be credited with having once again saved Israel from herself.
Ted, they don’t mention the refugee issue or Jerusalem, because those items could scuttle the whole deal. Instead they are making you concede one thing at the time. It works!
First, Netanyahu agreed with them that Yesha is not Jewish land. The Arabs have the right to their own state. The conditions he demanded are only to save face. Impossible to enforce.
Second, he agreed to the Jewish construction freeze.
Third, could be an agreement to a land swap. Maybe.
And when everybody is happy, or resigned, and just as Israelis can almost taste that Peace they have hoped for so long, the Arabs will demand half of Jerusalem – OR – the return of the Arab refugees.
Israelis will go into a panic mode. Refugees? Impossible! Then they’ll settle for giving up eastern Jerusalem. The PM will say it’s full of Arabs anyway. This is a good deal. We’ll take it. And Jerusalem will be divided.
But the Arabs won’t stop there. You have to admire their determination. They want all of Palestine. They believe in their hearts it’s theirs.
The next chapter could be unfortunately the loss of whatever is left of Israel, by war (beware IDF, Goldstone is watching), or a mix of terror and an Arab demographic takeover as most Jews are too terrorized to stay, and then pack up and leave, while other Arabs infiltrators replace them.
Israel needs leaders with backbone to say: this is our land, we can prove it, and we’re not giving up a single inch. We love this land more than the Arabs want it.
Hillary and Obama in lockstep:
Hillary Clinton sure pandered to New York Jews when she wanted their support for her Senate and Presidential campaigns.
But now that she has been outmaneuvered and neutralized by Obama, she can finally release her inner ultra-liberal. (She may still be dreaming of one more presidential run in 2016 when she will be 68).
Hillary and Obama are in lockstep when it comes to cutting Jewish Israel down to size. We had heard a rumor that Obama was thinking about simply imposing a settlement on Israel, and Hillary has now floated the trial balloon.
It turns out we are basically familiar with the terms of the imposed settlement. It was the one originally proposed by Bill Clinton and Ehud Barak, which Arafat rejected, and proposed a second time by Ehud Olmert and Tzipi Livni, which Abbas rejected.
It is likely that there is now some sort of agreement between Netanyahu, Ehud Barak, and Shimon Peres on the Israeli side, and Abbas (and Hamas?) on the Palestinian side, that when Obama imposes the settlement, then Netanyahu and Abbas will both “reluctantly” agree to accept it, even though it is not as good as either side would have preferred.
This is an interesting development. If Netanyahu is actually a closet leftist, he may be planning to jettison his far right supporters, and bring in Kadima in a unity government to get the proposal to pass.
“We believe that through
good-faith negotiations[Israeli concessions and capitulation] the parties canmutually agree[negotiate Israel's surrender] on an outcome . . .”When you analyze everything that takes place diplomatically, it’s all one sided, always. Yet, when Israel cedes anything, the rhetoric attributes hope, credit, and goodwill to both parties as if it is progress.
Yamit ,” you are not objective , your hatred for BB ………..”
Narvey, Laura, Ed, Ted etc….
I hate to say I told you all:
And I am the one some say frolics with and indulges in wishful thinking? Ha!
Narvey we can never know what leaders will emerge in the future. (“Electable as you point out”). First you need to rid yourself of the devil you know and how much worse can any existing opposition politician be? Then again changing governments every year or so makes us so dysfunctional and unreliable that nobody will or could negotiate a deal. Weakness could become our political strength. We could even demand concessions from the Arabs to sit and talk with them. Too surrealistic? Yea, but that what makes Israel soo interesting.
Bingo!!!
Truer than you realize.
He wants return of ALL territories.
I hate to say I don’t believe you hate to say I told you all.
But you did tell us all.
So gloat.
Can’t or won’t gloat , that would be like shooting myself in the you know what.
Sometimes you don’t want to be right , and this is one of them.
If there is a real Israeli political right now might be a good,”Time to Put Tuchas Offen Tisch!”
in Yiddish its called Hey put tuchas offen tisch, literally, Hey put your “arse” on the table (put up or shut up).
Pollards protest Shalit deal
In a public letter, captured Israeli spy Jonathan Pollard and his wife protest the immense efforts the government spends for Shalit – but not for Pollard.
American Jews, they do not understand that Shalit comes from a well-connected leftist family, while Pollard is just another foreign Jew for the government, aliyah cannon fodder.
It would be so easy to bring Pollard back: just arrest a few American spies in Israel – scores of them work here openly – and exchange them for Pollard.
YAMIT82 – I love your post
Yamit, your attitude being to unseat Netanyahu and replace him with anyone on the premise,
, makes ridding Israel of Netanyahu a waste of time.
Why would Israel spend one sheckel on a new election, the outcome of which would not make a difference save to put forth a new leader’s face for you and others to spit at because they are no better then Netanyahu?
Your warped idea about Israel finding that her greatest strength against the Palestinians, intentionally or simply by circumstance, lies in her dysfunctional, unreliable and consequently weak political system, has a certain je ne sai quoi realistic appeal to it.
It is no less perverse and real then the astute observation of Abba Eban that the Palestinians never lose an opportunity to lose and opportunity.
Time and again, Israel has been spared a worse fate as regards the Arabs and Palestinians because Abba Eban’s words have held true, as if they best express the axiom of consistency by which Palestinians have been guided.
Yamit you were right about Bibi. He has turned out to be feckless. But why, given that hussein obama’s own standing among the American public is weak and getting weaker, does Bibi feel he has to cave to his demands?
There are many theories, all probably having some truth but I tend to go with Two or Three.
A- None are or were believing observant Jews/
B- 2000 years of exile has reduced Jewish pride and self confidence to always begging for acceptance and a few crumbs from the tables of the gentile majorities. Even here our leaders except for Rabin were born or raised and educated outside of Israel. Call it Galut mentality.
C- Battered Wife syndrome seems to fit as well. With us it seems chronically pathological; that when reduced becomes masochistic.
As with America, the problem is less with the system than with the electorate.
This above all!
“The masses are Asses”
Hamilton or Mencken take your pick
I choose the Marquis de Sade.
Laura and Yamit – the answer is Iran. But as Israel’s out-going leftist Attorney General Menachem Mazuz acknowledged, there may be less than meets the eye to the freeze. Its impossible to enforce it since Israel has only 14 housing inspectors for a population of 500,000 Jews. When you consider the state cannot even stop illegal Arab building in Yesha, its a foregone conclusion it cannot count on the support of the Yesha Council to enforce its edict. Its not going to happen. The government cannot even keep illegal so-called outposts from being re-established. The freeze is only for American consumption. Unless the government intends to employ the IDF full time to enforce it, the freeze will make little difference in practice on the ground.
Somehow, I knew you would say that.
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