Netanyahu Re-Embraces the Road Map
I think this is an excellent analysis of what is going on. That is not to say that a final agreement will be reached, even if a provisional state is set up. Barry Rubin thinks no compromise from the palestinians will be forthcoming. They may not even return to the negotiating table. But America won’t let that stop them.
By Yisrael Ne’eman, Mid East on Target
Right wingers have been stunned by Israeli PM Benyamin Netanyahu’s Palestinian policies since he took office this past March 31. Not only did he announce in his famous Bar Ilan speech that he advocated a two-state solution but now there is to be a building freeze (not including Jerusalem or public structures) for the next ten months in settlements across Israel’s 1949-67 armistice line with the West Bank. Even former army chief of staff Moshe (Bogey) Ya’alon and right wing ideologue Benny Begin are favoring the move. The Palestinians may claim it is not enough and the Americans expected more, but in Israeli political terminology Netanyahu’s concession is huge. The PM prefaced this latest policy announcement several weeks ago when explaining that should the Palestinians come to the table they will see that Israel will be very forthcoming.
What brought about this “shift in policy”? Netanyahu as a follower of the Revisionist thinker Zev Jabotinsky is intimately familiar with the latter’s famous 1923 work “The Iron Wall” which puts off conflict resolution with the Arabs until they have no choice. Eventually the Arabs would agree whether they liked it or not, in other words Arab agreement would not be voluntary. Jabotinsky further believed the Jewish nation had enormous potential that had not yet been brought to bear in the battle for the Land of Israel , seeing military and economic strength as most important in determining the national future. Peace was postponed until an unknown future date. One would venture to say that Netanyahu certainly sees the world in a similar light. Just that he like Ariel Sharon and Ehud Olmert two Likud PMs (yes, we all know Olmert led Kadima but he first spent 40 years in the Likud) has hit a certain reality – Israel and the Jewish People have “no choice”.
Israel is approaching the height of her potential in military and economic abilities but it is not enough in the face of Palestinian demographic development, lack of European support, American pressure led by Pres. Barack Obama and especially the Iranian threat.
For close to a decade the Israeli secular Right (Likud) is the only game in town and just recently a Labor minister Benyamin (Fuad) Ben Eliezer drove that point home in an interview. In the 1980s the right wing Likud had an effective election slogan “Only the Likud Can”, a message the Labor Party could barely counter even if the facts of the campaign would appear otherwise. Today Labor is a junior partner in a Likud led coalition, a political arrangement common to all Likud governments in the 2000s. The supposedly hard line PM Benyamin Netanyahu is no exception, even if his election campaign rhetoric of a year ago would leave one wondering where the two sides could bridge the gaps, something apparently achieved as Netanyahu’s #2 man is Defense Minister Ehud Barak, the Labor Party Chairman.
Since the Palestinian Low Intensity Conflict (LIC) of 2000-04 the Left and the secular Right in Israel have blurred their differences concerning the Palestinian issue. Today, it is all a matter of degree. Sharon, a Likud PM was the first to publicly speak of a Palestinian State even if Labor PMs before him (Rabin, Peres and Barak) whispered a two-state solution behind closed doors. The vast majority of secular Jews in Israel are in favor of a Palestinian State in the West Bank provided it is demilitarized, exactly as advocated by Netanyahu. Left and Right differ over the percentage of Judea and Samaria (West Bank) to be ceded and over the tactical issues of just how much sovereignty should be given to the Palestinians in return for Israeli security even though this in coordination with the US and Europe.
Netanyahu agreed to the “Road Map” as presented by Pres. Bush in 2003. In the “Road Map” there are three steps:
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First the Palestinians halt all terrorism, draft a constitution, have free and open elections while Israel simultaneously halts construction across the 1967 lines and withdraws to the lines where its security forces stood prior to the LIC in Sept. 2000.
Second there is a Palestinian State with temporary borders but with continuing development of sovereign institutions and security coordination with Israel .
The final step involves agreement upon permanent borders, Jerusalem , security, refugee matters and all other outstanding issues. All this is done in cooperation with the Quartet (the US , UN, EU and Russia ).
For the most part security has returned to the West Bank (Judea and Samaria ) through the development of Gen. Dayton’s pro-Fatah Palestinian security force and continued Israeli army anti-terror activities. The construction freeze is the Israeli reciprocal action as originally agreed to with Pres. Bush. Obama is enforcing a previous agreement and Netanyahu cannot object – hence Stage I. Without saying it, the understanding is to arrive at Stage II or a Palestinian State with provisional borders within ten months.
America , as Israel ‘s patron and strategic ally believes the time for implementation is now. Netanyahu knows that Jabotinsky’s much spoken of “Iron Wall” future is now. Interests have sharply intersected in particular due to the Iranian threat not only to exterminate Israel but to wreak havoc in the Arab world bringing anarchy to the oil markets. This could be a death blow to much of the already embattled world economy. The US , EU and moderate secular Arab states want the Palestinian issue moving towards a solution when confronting Ahmedinejad & Co. Today these far greater security concerns in the Middle East have overwhelmed the Palestinian-Israeli conflict.
Netanyahu has a much greater global scope of understanding than the rebellious right wing in the Likud or the religious Right hence his praise for the Americans and Obama most specifically during Sunday’s press conference. So far Palestinian Pres. Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen) refuses to come to the negotiating table, demanding a construction halt in Jerusalem as well. Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman declared his lack of interest in the Palestinian response while emphasizing the significance of the Israeli gesture proving that at this juncture peace with the Palestinians may be important but it is far from the major issue. Israel needs full American support against Iran and lining up with the Road Map is a step towards integrating within overall American Middle East policies.
Netanyahu’s decision is beyond the tactical or even strategic, it is existential.
TO ADD INSULT TO INJURY
JNF donates trees for PA – PA builds new beautiful city
I’m so enraged, this goes without further comment.
But wait a moment. There’s more.
Bullshit
Who is this a Peres/Beilin clone?
A- He doesn’t read the daily newspapers
B-remove the IDF Then watch what happens, asshole!
Which Palestinians are they talking about ? West Bank Palis? Gazan Palis?, Syrian and Lebanese Palis?
No two elements in this troika agree on anything or talk to each other without an intermediary and interpreter. Get real!
Either a nuclear weaponized Iran is an existential threat to the region and beyond or it’s not. If it isn’t what’s to worry about and if it is, what does it have to do with our local conflict? If Iran specifically poses a threat to the Saudis let them kill ea. other.
This jerk is an academic think take head? Must belong to the Peres Peace House configuration in some way. They have identical perspectives. That means in all probability they get funded by the EU, ARABS or USA.
First the Palestinians halt all terrorism, draft a constitution, have free and open elections while Israel simultaneously halts construction across the 1967 lines and withdraws to the lines where its security forces stood prior to the LIC in Sept. 2000.
Second there is a Palestinian State with temporary borders but with continuing development of sovereign institutions and security coordination with Israel .
The final step involves agreement upon permanent borders, Jerusalem , security, refugee matters and all other outstanding issues. All this is done in cooperation with the Quartet (the US , UN, EU and Russia ).
Roadmap otherwise known as thee dismemberment of the State of Israel? only die hars radical anti and post zionist supported the Roadmap and the lemming politicians who had to otherwise they would have been Dumped or worse.
Terror has not ceased, not a day goes by with multiple incidents. I see being peed on and calling it rain, a popular Israeli political tactic.
since the last intifada and Lebanon and Gaza incursions the left has moved right in every poll. That the politicians are out of step with public sentiment is another thing but where does this fool get is data from 1001 Arabian Nights? Majority favor a demilitarized palis state? What the hell is American training Boy Scouts? They have over fifty thousand officially on payroll bought, trained and paid for by Uncle SAM. Anyway the concept is a non implementable fiction.
Sharon BB and Olmert were about as right wing as Peres. None could have risen to power in any of the leftist parties so they all paid vocal lip service and demagoguery to right wing slogans and positions till they reached positions of power then promptly dumped them.
The problem with the right is that they are believers and that makes them less cynical and questioning. Tell them what they want to hear and they will adopt you even forgivingly give these traitors second and third chances.
America choose the Abominable Obama, and we the Abominable BB: A match made in Hell and the devil Laughs.
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MK Ariel: Olmert Failed but Netanyahu Surrendered
(IsraelNN.com)
Ariel also participated in a debate in the Knesset’s Finance Committee on an earlier freeze, which pertained to construction of industrial structures. “For many months,” he said, “the Defense Minister has not been enabling the construction of industrial structures in Judea and Samaria, including those that already received all of the approvals and for which development work has been carried out. This is a racist decision by the Defense Minister, which constitutes unlawful cruelty towards the settlers.”
The Defense Minister’s Adviser on Settlement, Eitan Broshi, said that the debate over the industrial buildings was no longer relevant since the larger freeze announced by the Prime Minister. The new freeze is absolute, he said, and includes industrial structures.
Construction Freeze – Implementation Begins
(IsraelNN.com)
Daniela Weiss: Netanyahu is Like a Doormat
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/134704
Daniela Weiss, former Mayor of Kedumim and a veteran activist for the Land of Israel, expects construction in Judea and Samaria to pick up, not slow down, after Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu’s declaration of a building freeze.
“I have no doubt that there will be an awakening on the ground,” she said Sunday. Recalling limitations on settlement activities set by prime ministers since the 1970s, she declared: “We have been through a lot, since Menachem Begin who decided to settle only through military bases, through Yitzchak Shamir who, along with Secretary of State James Baker limited construction to 500 housing units, and all sorts of other troubles and decrees that landed on us from Left and – unfortunately – from Right. But we will get over everything because it is our nature to build our land.”
“We will continue to build at the outskirts of Shechem, in Jenin which is [the biblical] Ir Ganim, and we will renew the Jewish settlement enterprise everywhere,” she vowed.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/134701
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/134702
(IsraelNN.com) Israel was barely touched by the financial debacle in Dubai, where financial markets crashed 10 percent on Monday following reports of Dubai World’s debt crisis. The government-backed state conglomerate Dubai World last week asked creditors to wait another six months for repayment of billions of dollars of debt, setting on a near-global financial crisis.
Except for a couple of Israeli diamond firms, companies and individuals in the Jewish state have stayed away from the financial jewel of the United Arab Emirates, which does not have diplomatic relations with Israel. Only a fraction of Israeli diamond exports end up in Dubai, according to industry estimates.
Israel’s real enemies: Jews
The government refused to disclose to court the final list of Palestinian terrorist prisoners who would be released in exchange for Shalit due to “security concerns.”
The petitioners argued correctly that the list was provided to Hamas, Fatah, Egypt, and Nazis Germany, thus cannot pose a security threat. The government, of course, fears Jewish reaction to the list. The government’s relations with enemies are cozy: Hamas leaders openly travel to Egypt from Gaza and live in five-star hotels there.
Netanyahu’s government agreed to release more terrorists than Olmert’s – about 450 of them plus 500-something of trash jailed for minor security offenses.
Look for more troubles form Clinton
Clinton’s daughter Chelsea announced engagement with a Jewish investment banker. Now Hillary Clinton will be proving that she is not partial to Jews.
Netanyahu betrayed his party
The PM banned Likud Central Committe meeting intended to investigate his decision to declare a ten-month settlement construction freeze.
Implied, Netanyahu expects across-the-board condemnation of his move from his own party.
It is common for Israeli prime ministers to renege on their electoral promises.
Iran: Israel attack close
UNSC condemned Iran’s nuclear activity. Though the resolution is merely rhetorical, it offends ayatollahs into ending the negotiations.
Iranian Ambassador to Russia announced that the KGB regime will deliver the S-300 to ayatollahs in a month or two.
Israel would have to strike before then.
It’s obvious that no sane person would trade something precious and strategic as Jewish land for a promise, for an arrangement that is at best TEMPORARY.
Something like this:
It is mind-boggling how short-sighted politicians can be.
And I find it offensive that the US along with present and past Israeli governments have tried to sell Israelis such a fraudulent deal.
I would like to ask them, What will they say when the progressive and peaceful state of Palestine (as they envision it) elects a government that declares all previous agreements between the puppet Abbas and the Zionist entity null and void?
I also doubt that the majority of Israelis, religious or not, would agree to an Arab state on Jewish land. That’s not what they voted for.
Mr. Ne’eman’s article is spin from top to bottom. There are no redeeming qualities to Netanyahu’s agenda.
How generous of Mr Ne’eman.
Maybe Yamit82, with his usual candor, would care to clarify for Mr. Ne’eman what Mr Netanyahu really “thinks”.
There are no secular arab states.
Bibi’s decision shows that he is just another weak sister. I have lost all respect for him. The only state these arabs who call themselves “palestinians” deserve is a state in hell. They have NEVER shown any inclination to live in peace with Israel. I want to know from all of these brilliant ivy league educated diplomats and politicians, how the creation of another islamic terror state will result in peace? The people we need in power are those who have common sense and moral clarity, not ivy league degrees.
How many times must Israel prove that it wants peace? After all the risks and concessions it has made to no avail it should be more than obvious Israel wants peace. On the other hand the arabs who call themselves “palestinians”as well as the rest of the Arab world have proven over and over again that they reject peace and coexistence with Israel. Yet it isn’t them but Israel which is constantly put under pressure.
Israel removed its forces from southern Lebanon in 2000 and six years later hezbollah breeched Israel’s border, captured its soldiers and fired rockets, forcing Israel to fight hezbollah in Lebanon. Israel removed all of its forces and civilians from Gaza in 2005 and the “palestinians” burned down the greenhouses instead of using them, voted in hamas and hamas used the territory it controlled to fire rockets at Israel, at ever closer range. Finally after years of restraint Israel waged a military campaign against hamas in Gaza. In either of these cases, did the western countries which harangued Israel for years to withdraw from these territories, back up Israel when it was forced to go to war in Gaza and Lebanon when their withdrawals failed to achieve the peace and security that was promised? Other than the US, the answer of course is no. Israel instead was accused of “war crimes” and using “disproportionate force” even as it went out of its way to avoid civilian casualties at the risk of its own soldiers. Any civilian deaths were the results of hamas and hezbollah using them as human shields. But was there war crimes accusations against these terror groups? Were they threatened with being put before the international court? Of course not.
Given this climate, if I were the Israeli PM I would not give another inch of territory or grant one more concession. Israel has not received a single benefit for its numerous concessions since the Oslo accords. It’s time to say enough.
It is beyond existential. It is suicidal.
That task should be accomplished at the wedding when the clergyman asks if anyone objects to the union of this man and this woman, and Hillary responds by screaming, “No, Chelsea! Not a Fucking Cheap Jew!”
It could happen. Just ask Dick Morris.
It was time to say “enough” in 1948, but I fear that “enough” is not part of the mainstream Jewish lexicon.
It occurs to me that everyone in the Clinton clan save Hillary has been sleeping with Jews. A family functions best when the members share common ground, so yamit be a good soldier and come up and see Hillary sometime. Better yet, call Suha Arafat and make it a threesome, you lucky dog.
aline:
Israel has to stand by its previous agreements. Israel has renounced its claim to most of the west bank and all of Gaza by accepting the roadmap. You might not agree but your opinion was never solicited in all prior
agreements.
OBJECTION: This is what those in the legal profession call pre-judging. You , or even I haven’t any idea what a future state of Palestine will be like.Or who will be in the super bowl, or if we will be alive tomorrow. Why don’t you stop making predictions, based on almost nil knowledge of what is happening behind closed doors. Concentrate instead on what you know, whatever that may be. (Everyone is a maven these days).
Ayn I don’t know if it’s proper to post someones comment from another site but Marcel a regular on Caroline’s website did it best this time when he stated:
This is only part of it and I am in agreement and Marcel will be the first to say we very seldom agree.
Time for Israeli leaders to act like the victors and stop pacifying other governments not looking after your best interest.
ayn:
Seems to me that you ayn, have been spending far too much time hiding under the beds of the Clintons.
Is it not time for you to get back to the MIKVEH? Please go quietly, my shanale maydel.
rongrand:
Is it not time that you and everyone else understood that you cannot defeat an enemy permanently, when your enemy numbers some 350 million and that you number barely 6 million?. And moreover that enemy is surrounding you and that enemy has sympathizers within your own ranks that are growing in numbers.It is not war after war that has been fought, a much more apt description is that it is a series of battles in an ungoing war that has lasted approximately 60 years.
For Israel victory will only be achieved when it able to live in peace with all of its neighbors.
aline:
Don’t put too much pressure on Yamit00, he has enough trouble understanding his own thought processes let alone that of Natanyahu.
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h peskin there was nothing stated about victory. The person indicated Israel defeated the enemy and I defy you to tell the Israelis who fought those wars they did not defeat the enemy.
You try to be so quick to criticize someones comments you end up out finessing yourself.
Yamit said it best when he said you were a schmuck.
Peskin your are an asshole and a schmuck,but you are right re: my thought processes which is due to B-12 deficiency. I got my shot today and tomorrow my thought processes will be as keen as ever but you will still remain an asshole and a schmuck.
Victory will be achieved only when we eradicate our enemies like Peskin and those like him. May it be soon.
Re:#16
Please go quietly,OR:
not quietly, breathing or not breathing.
We will declare a new holiday like Purim in celebration. Instead of drinking till we can’t differentiate between Mordecai and Haman will will substitute Peskin in Hamans place. That would be most fitting, don’t you agree Tootsie?
Peskin, how often do you have to prove yourself a complete d—head? I should think that,by now, you too would be a maven.
It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to predict Arab intentions it just takes understanding all their rhetoric and their past actions.
I think Aline was perfectly correct with her assumption.
“The US , EU and moderate secular Arab states want the Palestinian issue moving towards a solution when confronting Ahmedinejad & Co.”
The US, EU, and their supposed “allies” the Arab dictatorships of Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and the minor Arab emirates are not interested in confronting Ahmedinjad & Co. They instead want to appease anti-semitic bloodlust in Iran and in their own hearts and the hearts of their countrymen by weakening and destroying Israel.
“Israel is approaching the height of her potential in military and economic abilities but it is not enough in the face of Palestinian demographic development, lack of European support, American pressure led by Pres. Barack Obama and especially the Iranian threat.”
This is nonsense…the US is approaching the end of its superpower status as a result of turning away from the righteousness. Israel’s potential is unlimited if she puts her trust in God and his commandments rather than in men and nations. Righteousness exaults a nation and sin is a reproach to any people. The Palestinian demographic “threat” has been discredited – indeed the Palestinians should be and are worried about the Jewish demographic and settlement “threat.” The US, EU, and their Arab “allies” will do nothing with Iran but try to weaken Israel so that they can feed her to Iran in the vain hope that Iran will be appeased. Israel you must be prepared to stand alone trusting in God.
canx.
That you should make this statement proves how much of an antisemite you are Tootsie. Who today or in all of history has stood by any agreement when they found it to their benefit and interests to break and or ignore them. That you place Israel alone among all the nations of the world who never have stood by agreements, as the one who must stand by past agreements is an antisemitic statement Tootsie.
How many agreements with First nations and Others has Canada broken and never abided by either the principles or the letter of those agreement, or America even to Israel. They have never abided and lived up to any agreement between us. Another antisemetic statement from you Toosie! We have ways of dealing with Jewish Traitors like Rabin. Pls. note: Any Jewish Traitor who endangers Jewish lives may incur` a similar fate. There are many unlike myself who believes in peaceful conflict resolution, that don’t. They may even have a global reach , who knows. I already posted your name on the S.H.I.T list for all to see.
True Peskin and that includes you , who asked or cares what you think, yet you impose your vile presence and inane opinions on us; your unsolicited ,unwanted and noncontributory comments to any of our discussions. You are like a germ that in spite of massive doses of antibiotics still persists to inflame our collective bodies. Besides Ted, you have no support or friends on this site. You know this yet you persist on forcefully injecting yourself where you know you don’t fit. You hate Jews and hate Israel, Your negativism couched in and simplistic puerile euphemisms add nothing to our discussions and are mostly an unwanted and nonconstructive distraction from our collective purpose.
You post no stand alone opinions,but like a predator seek out those mostly the women on this site for snide and sexist remarks. Your modus operandi is to mostly criticize others limiting your own thread or topical opinions to a few tired lines of old somewhat out of date leftist talking points with little or no elucidation or source support.
Some things we know , somethings we don’t but some of us can make good and reasoned guesses based on a composite of sources history and what is known. Some of us even are prescient. Some like you TOOTSIE are just stupid.
Thanks but no thanks I am still looking for a younger facsimile of Tina.
As much as I hated Bill in view of who he was married too I did feel a bit of empathy in his extramarital predilections. Suha has two things in her favor. Blond hair and oodles of OUR money. Since everything else about her is repulsive and I am no Gold-digger that Nixes her.
See if you can come up with more compatible suggestions. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kYrgpAea9g&feature=related
maybe so but America still has a lot of life left in her and I wouldn’t count her out in the near future. The process could take many decades if not generations. Or not at all, America could somehow find herself and rebound.
I don’t know that this is the reason, when has America ever been righteous? No nation to my mind has ever been righteous. True some have been more than others and Americas record I think is better than most but Its a pull to attribute Americas decline to lack of righteousness.
Looks that way from here.
I agree but not overly optimistic.
Mike Packer: re your post 26. In the years prior to the 1993 Yom kippur war, Anwar Sadat had conveyed numerous signals that he wished for a negotiated settlement with Israel. All of which were rejected as propagandistic political posturing coming from a ruthless dictator,a committed antisemite who was seeking to destroy the Jewish state. Well as events transpired- post 1993, it seemed Sadat was fully sincere in making these gestures. Would we have listened then, thousands of Israeli lives would have been spared in an unnecessary war. We had our self appointed bombastic mavens then and we have them now. Their opinions were worth squat then and are worth squat now. Because their opinions are based on a very one sided ill informed storehouse of knowledge with a plentiful dose of wishful thinking. Usually simplified to the point of being useless. You cannot judge the Israeli Arab dispute in isolation. It must be seen in terms of Mid East geography, oil politics, war on terrorism, Russia’s and America’s competing interests in the region, the ongoing wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, Iran’s expansionist ambitions, the failing situation in Pakistan, and
the current world wide economic collapse. And I could go on all day.
But you are not interested in all these complicated issues. All you are concerned about is the plight of Israel. And it is a plight worth being concerned about. But by ignoring all the the above mentioned, you cannot truly understand what is happening.
Yamit:
Hells, bells Yamit- If you find my posts so repugnant, why in the name of all that is virtuous and pure in this universe, do you persist in reading them? Why suffer, cookie?
Gosh, darn, you have this cute little button on the right hand side of the keyboard labeled DELETE. USE IT.
And you might use it again after you complete your next post. You might spare us all a bad case of acid indigestion.
If you get acid indigestion I hope it proves to be fatal, I really do!!
One less vile piece of shit in the world.
This message to that little bastard, Peskin. Because of my bad health, I refrain from posting many comments; however, in this case, I make exception.
I have, on numerous occasion laid my neck on the line, but now I lay my soul on the line by wishing that a putz that you are , dies a horrible death as quickly as possible. Most Jews have enough troubles so we don’t need you on top.
Ed calm yourself, Peskin is like that 80 year old who drives on a two lane highway 25mph in a 55mph zone who causes many accidents by those trying to pass him but he is always unscathed and takes no responsibility for the deaths and injury’s he causes. He even takes delight in causing immense harm to others
I recommend shooting him on sight. No remorse. Like a cockroach.
You shoot roaches?
Hot dang!
What a load of bullshit. This is historical revisionism. Liberal scum like you will say anything so as not to hold the arab muslim savages responsible for the bloodshed they cause, for the wars they start.
Golly Gee, Gosh Darn;
Hells Bells: Raid is ineffective against the giant Apterygota types. The worst of these creatures is known as HP, otherwise known as TOOTSIE! Raid and DDT ineffective, they are resistant to all normal pesticides. they even produce clones, each with different persona. So we need to shoot them, only thing other than crushing them under foot works.
Cockroaches frequently experience remorse.
They are really quite introspective, and prone to feelings of inadequacy.
It was a hissing cockroach of Madagascar that invented self-flagellation.