Partitioning the World for Islam
By Sultan Knish
Yugoslavia and Israel, two of the current flashpoints of the conflict, are demonstrations of the degree and extent to which the world will go to destroy other countries in order to accommodate Muslims.
Why exactly have the KLA and the PLO earned what the Basque of Spain, the Kurds of Iraq, the Armenians and a host of other nationalities been denied? It isn’t by any special merit or suffering. It is because they were Muslims who wanted a piece of a non-Muslim country.
Muslims are not getting their way in the Philippines and Thailand, in Kosovo and Israel and in the cities of Europe and America because the governments of these countries love Muslims. It is because they fear upsetting them.
For the first half of the 20th century Western soldiers rode roughshod across the savages and for the latter half of the 20th century Western diplomats did everything they could to sway their chieftains, emirs, dictators, mullahs and tyrants to their side. Those same diplomats would have you believe that the latter is an admission of fault for the former, but the truth is that it is an extension of the former.
Yugoslavia and Israel are not being carved up in the name of morality or liberal democracy or because Muslims have become beloved in Brussels and D.C. No more so than the Nazi Germany was allowed to carve up Czechoslovakia because Western Europeans loved Hitler. They were afraid of him. Not afraid enough to really believe he was a threat, yet too afraid to believe he could be casually stamped out. It is this kind of lukewarm fear that drives the politics of the West toward Muslims.
A little sacrifice here and there and those savages will calm down and stop making trouble, Western politicians think. The enforced partitions are not because they take Islamism seriously but because they do not. If they did, they would be drawing up the barricades. Instead to them Islamism is a fad, a way for Muslims to vent some spleen and protest the lack of jobs and foreign aid. To them the Jihad is a tantrum, a deadly tantrum but a tantrum nonetheless.
As England and France did for Nazism, the First World is preparing the way for a Caliphate through a combination of apathy and pressuring smaller countries to submit in the hopes of sating the appetite of the beast. The contempt in which they hold Muslims, viewing them as little more than cheap labor and cheap oil held in trust by savages, leads them to throw other nations to the beast, little realizing that they are tossing chum into the ocean and spreading blood on the water to attract the real predators.
As Arafat’s Palestinian state was the chum that brought the Muslim Brotherhood’s Hamas to power, each concession to Muslim terrorism only encourages it to spread and the “moderate” forms are only succeeded by more monstrous incarnations of Islamic totalitarianism and rage.
When Hitler sent troops into the Rhineland, they had orders to retreat if they were confronted. Three years later German troops were advancing into Eastern Europe and then across Western Europe. By partitioning Czechoslovakia, the countries responsible had in fact partitioned themselves. Today’s attempts at partitioning Yugoslavia and Israel will end the same way, with war on the soil of those nations so eager to wield the knife across someone else’s land. While the diplomats delude themselves into thinking that they are only cutting a slice here and there, in fact they are partitioning the world for Islam.
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POW! POW! POW! KNOCKOUT! THE KNISH WINS!
I love it, bro! I can’t better it — you’ve said it like it is. Look at any historical atlas, from any time, and try to find a Moslem country in Kossovo. Not only was Kossovo never Moslem (except for the Turkish foreign troops stationed there), but it has always been the very heartland of Serbia — the “Judea and Samaria” of the Serbs, if you will. The Albanians who live there now came as economic migrants, just like the Arabs of Sh’chem and Hevron. They even had the same overlords as the Jews of Yesha — the Turks; and just as NATO has promoted the ethnic cleansing of Serbs out of Kossovo, they are plotting the same in YeShA. Meanwhile, Christians and Jews in Moslem countries, along with oppressed minorities all over the world, have nobody to help them.
This has come about, as you said, because the rulers of the world are afraid of the Moslems — afraid that if they don’t throw enough Serbs and Jews to the crocidiles, the Moslems will be angry at them. The stupidity of this is so obvious, I don’t know how anyone can miss it.
The Moslems get angry? Are you talking about the people who went through the streets cheering, when their brothers killed 3000 of us in New York City? Hey, those New Yorkers weren’t just John Q. Public American — they were employees and executives from all over the civilized world, the ones who keep the very economic machine going that the world rulers are afraid of disrupting. When I saw all that paperwork raining down on New York City on 9/11, I thought, “This is going to be one big nightmare for a lot of businessmen!” What are these people afraid of? The Moslems ARE angry! They’re as angry as they could possibly get! They jump up and down, scream, fire their Israeli-supplied M-16s into the air, trample down and burn American flags, eviscerate and dismember passers-by who stray into their neighborhoods, fire home-made rockets every day at anyone within range and send their own children to blow themselves up so they can kill us. There IS no level of anger greater than this — they are absolutely, completely, irrevokably insane! And the ones they are the most intesely angry at, are the very ones who are bending over backwards to appease them.
So the Moslem crazies can’t possibly get more angry than they are already. Then what are our leaders afraid of? That they’ll get more dangerous? Oh my goodness! They might get nuclear weapons, and then they’ll REALLY cause us trouble! Imagine all the paperwork they’ll screw up for us THEN!
So what do these brilliant, appeasing minds do? They are now bending over backwards, to make sure that the crazies are able to make nuclear weapons!
Knish, I think you’ll agree that fear is not a good basis for foreign policy. Prudence? Healthy fear? Yes, there’s a place for that. But what we’re seeing has gone far beyond that — to panic and paranoia. Once that kind of fear kicks in, people can no longer think straight; they do irrational things (like carving out Moslem states in Serbia and Israel), and the very thin they feared comes upon them.
Thank you for a voice of sanity, in a world gone mad.
Shalom shalom.
BlandOatmeal
Comment by BlandOatmeal — March 6, 2008 @ 7:24 pm
when people learn to fear an enemy’s rage, they’ve already surrendered to him, it’s only a matter of setting terms
Comment by Sultan Knish — March 7, 2008 @ 1:10 am
This is complete and utter rubbish from these two writers. The moves of the US ruling class are not promoted by fear of Islam. They are using Islam consciously and you two gentlemen are giving a different slant. Why do you provide this cover for US Imperialism. You are both new on this site. You can consult the many documents on the US relationship to the Serbs which many great Serbian people spent a lot of time on this site explaining. Please consult these articles on THIS site before advancing.
Comment by Felix Quigley — March 7, 2008 @ 7:18 am
Felix, I am puzzled by your comment.
The point of Western fears of Islam that Sultan Knish makes in his eloquent article, has been made many times before on this blog.
That point also has been made by the pro-Serb advocates on this blog as to why America during the 1990’s Serb - Muslim wars to paint the Serbs as the villains, the Muslims as the innocents and thereby justified their and NATO’s attack on the Serbs. That point also has been made to explain American support of an independent state of Kosovo.
Indeed, I seem to recall you also made the same point.
I would only disagree with Knish to the extent of saying that it is not just fear that moves the West to do and say what it does as regards Islam. It is also a Western mindset that if someone has something you want and need, then one will tend to seek to make that someone happy in order to get what it is you want from them.
In the context of the tensions, hostilities and rivalries between the West and the Islamic world, the West has sought to shore up and further their own interests by making appeasement of Islamic sensibilities, demands, wants, and needs, shaped in some, if not large measure by Western multicultural values taken to extremes, the core basis for their Western policies vis a vis Muslims in the Muslim Middle East, within their own Western nations and the world generally.
These two factors, fear of Muslims and a Western appeasement mindset as the way to deal with the Muslim world and advance Western interests, go hand in hand.
Comment by Bill Narvey — March 7, 2008 @ 9:27 am
Bill, you seem to have some kind of hang up with people here whom defend the truth about US and EU support of Islamofascist terrorists (with masses of supporting evidence I might add)by pejoratively labelling them “pro-Serb advocates”.
Why do you keep using these legalistic/lawyer style terms “pro-Israel advocacy” and “pro-Serb advocacy” so repetitively?And why do you always seem to pit each one against the other as if they are mutually exclusive and/or in conflict with one another?
If an outsider - completely unfamiliar with the decades-long Palestinian-Arab-Muslim vs Israeli-Jewish state conflict - were to be referred to Israpundit’s articles in order to be properly educated and informed - then using your form of labelling and reasoning could just as easily dismiss everything written here on Israpundit by saying:
“Oh yes, but all you writers here on Israpundit are pro-Israel advocates engaging in pro-Jewish Israeli advocacy, so why should I believe anything you have written vis-a-vis the Palestinians?”
I don’t think this labelling as “pro-Serb advocates” all of those dedicated researchers who have helped all of us here tremendously over the last 18 months to understand the facts concerning what really happened vis-a-vis the Serb vs Muslim conflicts in Bosnia and Kosovo is very helpful at all, Bill.
In any case, the very shaky theory that we in the West are so scared shitless of Islamist terrorists/Jihadists that in order to “appease them” and “prevent further terrorism” our leaders then covertly proceed to
a)fund them,
b)arm them with the most sophisticated high-tech Western military hardware,
c)militarily and politically train them,
d)give them full diplomatic and political support at the UN in order to…
e)create new Western-backed and recognized Islamofascist terrorist states all across the Middle East,Central Asia and Europe and…
f)to top it all off - lie for them incessantly Joseph Goebbels style - via our corporate news media and…
g)continue doing this over several decades - despite numerous terrorist atrocities against Western civilians -by portraying them via our mighty news media as…
h)“helpless victims of oppression and genocide at the hands of Jews and Christians”,
And that somehow all of the above sustained Western policies over several decades supporting these vile Islamist terrorists amounts to anything even remotely resembling “advancing Western interests” (e.g. the “abundance of cheap Arab oil for Westerners” specious argument)
Comment by JoshR — March 7, 2008 @ 2:30 pm
Felix makes the point that we assume the best for the west namely that it acts out of fear. He puts forward the proposition that the Imperialist powers namely the US and Britain et al are in league with the Islamists to further their aims and interests. They aren’t enemies at all.
It is a point worth debating rather than dismissing out of hand.
Felix is not alone in holding this view and I know for certain that he has and can defend it.
Those who oppose it do so either because it conflicts with their self view too fundamentally or because its smacks of “conspiracy”.
Comment by Ted Belman — March 7, 2008 @ 3:15 pm
Felix, if you want to make a counterargument, feel free to do so. Calling my post rubbish is not a counterargument.
If US Imperialism was really an issue, the response to 9/11 would have leveled most of the Muslim world. That’s how real imperialists respond to an attack.
It’s declining and collapsing civilizations that are restrained by guilt, mercy and their own fears
Comment by Sultan Knish — March 7, 2008 @ 4:00 pm
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JoshR, you appear to be a suspicious fellow whom I gather is one of those I have come to refer to with the phrase “pro-Serb advocate”.
I have not used the label pro-Serbian advocates in any pejorative sense at all.
It has been a convenient label I use to group all those, regardless of their degree of knowledge, who have provided commentary that supports the view that during the Serb-Muslim wars of the 1990’s in former Yugoslavia, it was the Serbs who were the innocents and the Muslims the villains and that America, Nato and the EU that continue to promote the contrary view are engaged in telling a big lie.
Yes, there have been a number of seemingly very knowledgeable people who have over the last 18 months presented opinions and facts on Israpundit to lead one to accept their conclusions. Indeed they have made as I have said before, a compelling case.
A number of commenters who support those views however are clearly much less knowledgeable and sophisticated on the subject, but they have it appears, simply accepted as absolute truths, the messages, views, analyses and conclusions of these more knowledgeable pro-Serb advocates.
It should be noted however that there have been few if any commenters on Israpundit, who are as much in the know historically as the pro-Serb advocates, who have provided commentary to support the contrary majority world view that the Serbs were correctly characterized as being the villains.
I do not know why those who hold the more widespread conventional opinion that supports claiming the Serbs were the villains in the 1990’s Yugoslav wars and who support recognition of an independent state of Kosovo, have not joined in the discussion and debate on Israpundit.
Perhaps they write for other blogs and Israpundit has not come within their radar.
I doubt the reason for their silence on Israpundit is because they have been too intimidated by the pro-Serb advocates’ passionate views to enter this debate on Israpundit or because they know that their majority view is really based on lies that are more convenient for them to believe, as the pro-Serb advocates appear to contend.
It certainly would be useful for all concerned on Israpundit, if these scholars and historians whose views accord with the world’s majority view had joined in the debate. The fact however is that they haven’t.
Israpundit followers therefore have only the pro-Serb advocates’ analysis, views and conclusions to consider.
That to me spells an unfortunate lack of balance in the historical analyses of the Serb-Muslim 1990’s Yugoslave wars being presented for Israpundit followers to consider.
In any event JoshR, my grouping those who have taken a pro-Serb view as being pro-Serb advocates is just an innocuous, but useful label I employ, just as I include myself within my group label of being a pro-Israel/Jewish advocate.
Comment by Bill Narvey — March 7, 2008 @ 6:31 pm
Good article, though I must concur w/Felix. The US elites are not ‘afraid’ of anyone. Just as the Islamists were natural and quick allies of the Nazis in WWII, they are now natural allies of the Nazis that have long taken over the State Dept and CIA. Sounds crazy (though it’s nothing different than the views of FGW and JI), but why does the US so ardently and consistently support genocidal nazis from WWII, while demonizing their ‘enemies’? Why does western mass media lie about the ME conflict and never discuss the origins of fatah and hamas? Why are all recent US wars and military ventures explained away as big ‘goofs’ after they result in a massive rise in Islamic terrorism, opium trade, slave traffic, etc?
Why does Western media consistently slander all Jews that defend Jews? I was reading an article about Malachiel Gruenwald (sp?), the man that accused Rudolf Kastner of collaborating with nazis, and the article called Gruenwald a ‘right wing’ Jew. Why exactly does Western media save it’s most useful pejorative for all Jews that attack the kapos and other Jewhaters? Why? because as Christopher Simpson pointed out in ‘Blowback’, as FGW writes about, as Carl Bernstein wrote in a 1977 Rolling Stone article, the people that control the media, that run our wars, that decide our policy are not friends of the world Jew. They never have been. It’s only natural that they’d ally with similar types–but they don’t do it out of fear.
Fortunately, most Americans DO support Israel, but the Goebbels-esque mass media lies are getting stronger every year…
Comment by jrob — March 7, 2008 @ 11:51 pm
It is difficult from down here to really know where Greed and Fear and Intuitive cowardice converge but I think there is some of ea. in the behavior and policies of Europe to be sure and America per se. The old Saw that the business of America is Business still has validity. Assuming to No country (except Israel, there is always the exception) does anything that is not in what they think is their own National Interest, looking at American foreign Policy One must ask the pertinent question WHAT IS IN THEIR NATIONAL INTEREST?
YOU CANNOT DEFEAT AN ENEMY THAT YOU ARE AFRAID TO OFFEND!
American imperialism is not mil. it is economic. Americans want to sell you stuff even if it is overpriced and inferior. Americans want to sell and to buy they favor the realities (their realities) big markets to little markets so big populous countries to those that would not make it on the annual balance sheet. With all the Hoopla of left vs, right in America there is little between the 2 nomenclatures . Americans of all western nations are the most non ideological nation. They choose their leaders on purely perceptions of which leader will put more disposable income in their hands either through growth or low taxation or both if they are lucky. When speaking of and trying to understand American foreign Policy Try to follow the big money trails and who benefits most in any policy decision!
Comment by yamit82 — March 8, 2008 @ 8:17 am
Until now it is unclear what caused Hamas to take control of Gaza. The American magazine Vanity Fair published a report on Tuesday claiming that US President George W. Bush and Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice were involved in covert plans to topple and destroy Hamas after it was elected in 2006. The magazine said it had received confidential information that were corroberated by US and Palestinian sources that approved by Bush and implemented by Rice. The documents reveal Bush attempts to arm the Palestinian Fatah affiliated faction appointing Mohammed Dahlan, President Abbas security adviser, as its leader. The magazine said Dahlan met with Bush three times after the 2006 Palestinian elections. The report claims that when Rice was asked to comment on the issue, she responded that Iran is arming Hamas and there is no reason why the US should not go along with its plans to strengthen Fatah and supply it with the necessary muscle to oust Hamas. The United States transferred vast amounts of money and weapons to Fatah’s Dahlan via the Rafah crossing in southern Gaza and also through outside elements. Hamas became aware of the plans and decided to execute its bloody takeover in Gaza. The American plan clearly backfired, further proof of Bush’s failed foreign policy which in the end led to Hamas becoming far more extremist and contradicts Bush’s vision of democracy in the Middle East.05/03/08
http://www.infolive.tv/en/infolive.tv-19208-israelnews-bushs-failed-policy-dirty-dancing-hamas-and-fatah
Comment by yamit82 — March 8, 2008 @ 8:23 am
Yamit,
I also saw that article, though I only skimmed through most of it. Hard to tell how true it is. It seems to fit nicely into Jared Israel’s ‘bumbling bear’ theory, where US geopolitical action once again results in an increase in extremism, and it’s all explained away as a big ‘backfiring’ or ‘oops! we accidentally goofed again!’.
I find it a bit hard to believe that anyone can ‘goof’ this many times, though I find it easy to believe that this US/EU/UN/Arab elite fomenting and strengthening of Islamic extremism can only be propagandized in Western media as a ‘backfire’. Think about it: where exactly is the US spreading anything remotely resembling Jew-friendly democracy?
Another point is that there are many articles which would indicate that hamas and fatah are not really big enemies, much as western media wants us to believe they are. If western media keeps pretending that they are big enemies, it helps sell the lie that fatah are the ‘moderate’ ones that everyone should be supporting…
I could be wrong–but it gets a little old seeing all US strategies explained away as a ‘backfire’ or a ‘goof’…
Comment by jrob — March 8, 2008 @ 12:10 pm
jrob I don’t know myself, it isn’t so much a disagreement on goals or even religion it is a dispute of control, power and lots of money for who ever is in control. Hamas wants a Muslim megalopolis in the region and as an interim would not oppose Pali State, In the meantime they are getting more money from good guy bad guy game than they did as a unified body. I heard they are demanding aid be in Euros or Yen as dollar worth shit these days and is falling daily. Every thing in the PA is a monopoly controlled by a handful of power brokers and heads of security and clan mafias. They have Israeli partners usually ex Shabak, IDF, and middle level political Civil servants. This is one of the reasons why Israel has not acted with more gusto. It breaks up the money machine. The political ATM provided by those idiots in Europe America, Japan and the biggest idiots of them all Israelis. Almost all of Israeli Professional Politicians are multi millionaires most never had an honest Job in their lives, so how did a politician, making a decent wage in political service get to accumulate millions and nobody investigates where and how they got their wealth. Nada! America knows how things work here as well as EU. Our politicians from both sides are whores who are bought and paid for.
There was a time when a politician was caught with his hands dirty did the honorable thing and blew threir brains out from Shame. Today in Israel the is no shame. This is the major dilemma of our times. Corruption!!!
Comment by yamit82 — March 8, 2008 @ 2:22 pm
Western nationalism is mostly a thing of the past. For there to be a US nationalism, there has to be an American elite that actually believes in its own superiority and its right to conquer portions of the world. If that was the case US territory would be expanding, rather than shrinking and amnesty wouldn’t be such a going concern.
Even among the Republican party, only a fragment really believes in a real manifest destiny. The problem is what they believe in instead is a corporate manifest destiny, as Yamit described. It’s every business for himself and screw the country, as exemplified by Nader and Buchanan’s attempt to get corporations to say the anthem or Haliburton moving its HQ out of the country altogether.
Comment by Sultan Knish — March 8, 2008 @ 8:10 pm