Student Who Took Down Terrorist: “Olmert and Peres Armed the Terrorists”
Yitzchak Dadon, a student at the Merkaz Harav Yeshiva who fired the shot that killed the terrorist gunman, whose attack had left numerous students dead and critically wounded, stated in a radio interview, despite attempts to cut him off, that Peres had armed the terrorists and Olmert wants to give them even more guns.
Israel National News has the best coverage with pictures.
Arab Terrorist Attacks Jerusalem’s Merkaz HaRav Yeshiva: 8 Dead
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1. The Israeli Embassy/ Consul Amir Gissin (416) 640 8500 and demand that the Olmert government resign for its weakness in fighting terrorism as it must be done. It has literally invited Rice to take charge of the running of this government.
2. the White House (202) 456-1111 and demand that the Bush administration stop interfering in Israel’s internal affairs. Rice should not return to Israel!! She is arrogant and has appeased the Arabs consistently.
Yeah he said it uncensored first time second time they cut it out ch 2 news. I wonder why they would do duch a thing after all it’s the truth!! All the signs point to a 3rd intifada code word for killing more Jews anyqway they can and anywhere they can each us. Are you listening Olmert and Barak? The terrorist was dressed to look like regular Yeshiva student and had a concealed automatic weapon and handgun no explosives this time he just shot point blank a lot of young kids. whitenesses said there was so much blood it looked like slaughter house. IDF according to sources have house of terrorist who sent this one in surrounded in Nablous. The TERRORIST HAD ISRAELI ID Card of an Israeli.
Comment by yamit82 — March 6, 2008 @ 4:09 pm
they do it because the media wants more concessions and a palestinian state
the riots combined with this are part of the arab bid to seize yerushalayim by pressuring israel to give up the city and letting the media make the argument that it’s just too “dangerous” not to make the deal
that’s what Shas’ extra time in the government was meant to buy
Comment by Sultan Knish — March 6, 2008 @ 4:37 pm
Yamit82, a lot of Arabs in Israel can pass for Mizrahi Jews and they do speak good to excellent Hebrew. Its difficult to tell them apart. Apparently, these terrorists infiltrated the yeshiva by pretending to be Jews. What happened is a tragedy but it could have been much, much worse.
Comment by NormanF — March 6, 2008 @ 4:42 pm
Did you expect anything else? In this culture where we glorify islamofascists and serb pravoslavny jihadists and albanian jihadist and any one who wants to bring down Western civilization–what else did you expect?
Comment by vova — March 6, 2008 @ 4:43 pm
2-3-4 Until we make the spilling of Jewish Blood the most expensive commodity in the world this will continue, drop by drop! It isn’t exactly that we don’t have the means? we just don’t have the will. Those Guys in Canada and Florida are all worried about keeping their status in America and Canada and our leaders with considerable Jewish support are willing to experiment with the lives of Israels citizenry to Justify non workable stupid attempts to appease the Arabs and the world.
Comment by yamit82 — March 6, 2008 @ 5:03 pm
I just Saw news clips of Arabs celebrating in every Arab city and village. This one was embarrassing
for SHABAK as they had no Itel it was coming!
All this overshadowing 1 Soldier Killed second had both his legs blown off and 3rd and 4th lightly wounded on patrol of Gaza Border.
Comment by yamit82 — March 6, 2008 @ 5:21 pm
What will it take for Israelis to bring down this criminally negligent government who’s only interest is in appeasing the world community at the expense of the lives of its own citizens?
Comment by Laura — March 6, 2008 @ 5:21 pm
There is a lesson here and the lesson is that terrorism has the advangage of always finsing that weak spot in defesenses. It is stupid to spend all those billions in wall, fences, when an aggressive offensive should be employed instead. They say high fences make good neighbors! not in the ME with neighbors like we have killing them is the only way and if we don’t kill enough to stop them then we go back and kill some more. Think of it as a malignant Tumor that the only way to save ones life is to remove the whole tumor down to its roots.
sometimes, not killing the Arab enemies means allowing them to murder Jews,
Comment by yamit82 — March 6, 2008 @ 5:50 pm
Yamit82 - I agree with all of the above. The Arabs in Israel hate the Jewish State even more than the Arabs outside it. You cannot have peace and quiet with Fifth Columnists inside the country. But thanks to the Israeli elites having smeared all common sense solutions as “Kahanist” and “racist” - don’t look for them to have the courage to address the problem. In a nutshell, even if Israel gave up every inch of Judea and Samaria, Israel would still face a hostile million Arabs within Green Line Israel. The Arab problem won’t be solved by giving up more Jewish land and it won’t be solved by integrating the Arabs into the state.
Comment by NormanF — March 6, 2008 @ 6:01 pm
Palestinians Terrorists Murder At Least Seven At Y…
The terrorists entered a dining hall where about 80 people were gathered, witnesses said, and opened fire. “There are at least seven killed,” said Eli Dein, director of Israel’s rescue service. I fully expect there to be celebrating by Palestinians …
Trackback by A Blog For All — March 6, 2008 @ 6:04 pm
There is no diplomatic solution - there is only a military solution - learn this soon or die in your
homes and streets and schools…..
Comment by Steve Smyser — March 6, 2008 @ 6:39 pm
#10 watch CNN or BBC , al Jezera for sure and you can join the celebrations: rice and candy anyone?
It seems Smyser, that we exceptionally smart Jews have a very big learning curve. We should not have a democratic political system s no Democratic system and society will permit us to do what needs to be done for insuring our ultimate survival. Democracies are workable for solving easy problems not insanity and our enemies are not to be included in the normal ranges of anything.
Comment by yamit82 — March 6, 2008 @ 6:57 pm
Michael Savage is talking about the terrorist scum right now.
WWJWD (What Would Jarema Wisniowiecki Do?)
Comment by Bill Levinson — March 6, 2008 @ 7:13 pm
I have read all of the comments here on Israpundit carefully and they would be just exactly as I would have anticipated. In fact for each commenter here I now know after about 4 or 5 years each one so well I could have written each one myself with each nuance included no problem. All come from good Jewish people who I respect. Yet all are bankrupt. It is the bankruptcy of bourgeois Judiac elite or ruling class. Not one of you have any policy or programme which can pòssibly win against a Fascist USA and EU ruling class and Islamofascism inthe Middle East, and against a Fascist antisemitic fake left inside Israel and on the outside. And over this group devoted to inaction and inability to do anything, with a programme either non existent or totally inadequate to meet the situation Ted Belman presides, sitting back, saying usually nothing, unable to say anything. I would say start by having a good hard look at the political programme of Ted Belman right here on Israpundit because Ted like attracts like in the case of Israpundit anyhow.
Comment by Felix Quigley — March 7, 2008 @ 6:10 am
Felix,
There really is only one practical solution to the situation in Israel right now, and that would be for a coup d’état, swiftly followed by the expulsion of all Arabs from Israel.
The patriots could then sort out the terrorists in Gaza and West Bank, and expel them to Egypt, and Jordan which were their former host countries.
The biggest problem is finding any Israeli who has the balls to really do this!
We can all lobby our MPs or senators, but the politics of oil gluttony speaks a lot louder than any collective Jewish voice, which is why the only practical solution in Israel is for a coup by patriotic Jews.
Comment by Jerusalem Posts — March 7, 2008 @ 6:22 am
Comment #4: “we [i.e.,Western culture] glorify…serb pravoslavny jihadists”
Translation: “we glorify…Serbian Orthodox Christian Jihadists”
Hey vova, you forgot to take your anti-psychotic/anti-schizophrenic medication again!
Comment by JoshR — March 7, 2008 @ 6:29 am
Jerusalem Posts
Basically with all respect to you and I have, your position is one of political bankruptcy. There is going to be no revolutionary leadership to emerge spontaneously out of Israel, or out of Judaism. That is why the hot air which comes out of Yamit88 is so dangerous. So what is the point of what you said. The revolutionaries do not exist in Israel. That is why Olmert can continue.
Your basic position is here and it is one I am totally oppiosed to:
“The biggest problem is finding any Israeli who has the balls to really do this!”
You are calling for a coup. I am calling for a revolution. They are not at all the same thing.
In order to have a revolution you have to have a revolutionary party to inspire, to promote and to lead that revolutionary situation.
I am telling you here and I am telling you now in as forceful a way as I can JP that the Israelis will fight to survive, they are objectively a revolutionary people, but they need to know that they are marching behind a revolutionary leadership.
That is why on our site I placed many articles which deal with many of these issues connected with revolution.
Our site is http://www.4international.wordpress.com
I ask you JP can any of these issues be solved without the leadership of a revolutionary party. Will Judaism supply that revolutionary leadership? So what will then? I say the theory and practice of revolutionary socialism whjch is embodied in Trotskyism is the only alternative.
Comment by Felix Quigley — March 7, 2008 @ 7:36 am
My post has not gone through. Not a long post. This is so frustrating.
Comment by Felix Quigley — March 7, 2008 @ 7:37 am
Sorry Felix. I have no idea why your post got stopped. Keep at it because the more I release it the sooner our de-spammer learns you’re OKAY.
Comment by Ted Belman — March 7, 2008 @ 9:57 am
The White House comment line sounded busy when I took Sultan’s advice and called. Yes, it seems Bush/Condi are fixed in pressing through with screwing Israel for oil, but I have peace knowing I at least sounded my voice and spoke out–to stay silent because “it won’t matter” is worse.
Also, I object to Felix referring to yamit as a nazi, I do hope it was a typo:
He is yamit82, not yamit 88, and though I don’t often agree with him, that characterization is disgusting.
Comment by soren — March 7, 2008 @ 10:12 am
Soren
What kind of drugs are you imbibing. That is not his real name, that is a pseudonym. So I said 88 instead of 82. Teach me. What is the significance?!!!
Comment by Felix Quigley — March 7, 2008 @ 11:50 am
On our site http://www.4international.wordpress.com we have placed several articles on the murder of these Jewish boys.
It is of particular importance to me personally that I as an atheist should stand up for the Jews and for the continuing of this very old and respected Jewish religion and tradition. It seems to me that it is a vital part of humanity, and while I do not think it can meet the demands of the present struggle against Fascism, it is still a respected tradition.
These Jewish boys had every right to be there. Their murder must be remembered.
Revolutionary socialism will have to take on board the defence of Judaism because it is part of the vital culture of humanity.
In the articles on 4international we try to show that those who say they are socialist and attack the Jews and side with the Islamofascists of Hamas, Fatah and Izetbegovic are not really socialist in any sense at all.
Comment by Felix Quigley — March 7, 2008 @ 11:56 am
Soren
Do you mean that 88 has got some biblical meaning. Connected with the Nazis. But the Nazis and Fascism is a modern phenomenon. You are an idiot. If it was biblical how would I know!!!
Comment by Felix Quigley — March 7, 2008 @ 11:59 am
Soreb=n, I agree with you on most things except religion but that can’t be helped I suppose, but on most other subjects I can live with your ideas. BUT FELIX, thats something else. I keep wishing we had a Castille to storm or the Winter palace anything. I have an old Che’ T shirt somewhere will that get in to the revolution if I agree to wear it in public. I have a few real Havana cigars stored away in a humidor and I would be happy to waste a few for the evolution.
Felix we are at odds in many ways but here goes: First we state the Mine begin with Thoreau;
I HEARTILY ACCEPT the motto, — “That government is best which governs least”; and I should like to see it acted up to more rapidly and systematically. Carried out, it finally amounts to this, which also I believe, — “That government is best which governs not at all”; and when men are prepared for it, that will be the kind of government which they will have. Government is at best but an expedient; but most governments are usually, and all governments are sometimes, inexpedient
He who gives himself entirely to his fellow-men appears to them useless and selfish; but he who gives himself partially to them is pronounced a benefactor and philanthropist.
The mass of men serve the state thus, not as men mainly, but as machines, with their bodies. They are the standing army, and the militia, jailers, constables, posse comitatus,etc. In most cases there is no free exercise whatever of the judgment or of the moral sense; but they put themselves on a level with wood and earth and stones; and wooden men can perhaps be manufactured that will serve the purpose as well. Such command no more respect than men of straw or a lump of dirt. They have the same sort of worth only as horses and dogs. Yet such as these even are commonly esteemed good citizens. Others, as most legislators, politicians, lawyers, ministers, and office-holders, serve the state chiefly with their heads; and, as they rarely make any moral distinctions, they are as likely to serve the devil, without intending it, as God. A very few, as heroes, patriots, martyrs, reformers in the great sense, and men, serve the state with their consciences also, and so necessarily resist it for the most part; and they are commonly treated as enemies by it. A wise man will only be useful as a man, and will not submit to be “clay,” and “stop a hole to keep the wind away,” but leave that office to his dust at least: —
I still do not grasp all that revolution stuff? Principles precede movements so what are your basic principles Felix: I warn you that if it even smells of Statism - it will be opposed and rejected here!
Comment by yamit82 — March 7, 2008 @ 12:12 pm
It is disgusting to say this but it may be the truth. If this tragedy was needed to get the ball rolling to retake Gaza and kill all terrorist in the territories, then maybe it will light a fire under the asses of this government (hopefully to replace it) and the worthless liberals who thrive on hope and not action.
Let loose the hounds from hell. There is no such thing as an innocent Arab civilian so kill them all. Destroy even the fruit of the loins of these monsters or suffer their hate for generations.
Comment by Ed D — March 7, 2008 @ 12:30 pm
Felix, 88 is a common nazi nickname or part of a nickname and is code for Heil Hitler.
Comment by soren — March 7, 2008 @ 12:46 pm
Felix:
I am sure that if you…wated to call me a nazi you woulfd have ben more direct. Uou are many thins but not subtle
Comment by yamit82 — March 7, 2008 @ 2:00 pm
Soren
So it was a diversion on your part re the vital discussion that needs to take place.
I have read lots on the Nazis, I know better than everybody on this site how Fascism must be fought, but I never read that numbers are code for Nazism.
I feel like telling you to go to hell and stop trying to be smart at my expense.
Yamit…what do you mean by subtle, are we supposed to be subtle on this site…check with Ted. We are best if we are direct and truthful. To hell with subtle my friend!
My positions I am placing on our site www,4international.wordpress.com
The discussion will take place there and will continue there until we resolve the outstanding question posed by Leon Trotsky in the 30s:
How can Jews be made safe from antisemitism in their Jewish Homeland?
Comment by Felix Quigley — March 8, 2008 @ 8:01 am
Felix, needless to say, those such as myself are thankful for your passionate defence of Israel and the Jewish people.
You have advocated that Israel can only become strengthened from within and in the face of her enemies if she undergoes a social revolution and to that end:
I have read some things about Trotsky’s theory of Permanent Revolution, but frankly cannot wrap my mind around it. I do not see how a worker’s state would be any less capitalistic then a state run by the maligned bourgoisee.
People look to leadership, so even with a revolutionary change that put the working class into power, that working class would soon look to leaders and it seems human nature being what it is, such leaders would seek power and control which would then set them apart from the workers they represent, even in a Trotskist system that somehow calls for social democracy as the end point of the social revolution.
That aside however Felix, I am wondering why you believe political-social change within Israel must come quickly through revolution as opposed to more gradually through efforts at changing attitudes and perceptions that necessarily, as those changes take place, reform the current status quo to a new status quo of a new political-social order.
Revolution also necessitates a period of instability until the revolutionary forces, assuming success changes the fabric of the nation and restores stability within a new social order.
The concern I would have with a rapid revolutionary change for Israel is that she is already suffering a number of political/social imbalances that while not critically impinging on domestic political stability, does seem to put Israel at increasing risk that both its domestic and foreign positions and policies are being too influenced by factors outside of Israel’s control.
Israel is still fairly stable politically and socially, in spite of destabilizing influences within it. She does however exist within an unstable region of the world that seeks Israel’s demise. Israel also finds herself being forced to dance to the tune of others, while trying to maintain some semblance of balance between her interests and catering to the interests of others.
I am not clear therefore on why you think rapid revolutionary change for Israel will empower her. Such period of instability that comes with more rapid revolutionary change, in my view would weaken Israel at a time it needs to be as strong as she can, to withstand those destabilizing forces from within and outside Israel.
Felix, I would find it helpful in understanding your view if you could address these concerns I have raised with your call for Israel to undergo a period of political-social upheaval that revolutionary socialism brings.
Comment by Bill Narvey — March 8, 2008 @ 8:32 am
Felix: expand on this theme. A- Antisemitism is a cultural disease, a person is not born with it, it is not of itself communicable but can be transmitted, the Christian Church have done this quite effectively. Most antagonism against Israel in the World is irrational. Spain where you live is one of the most antisemitic of countries and anti Israel in Europe and they have almost no Jews as does your birthplace Ireland. If you can’t prevent or stop it in those two countries against individual Jews what can you expect re: a Jewish country?
When I was a kid growing up in Mixed ethnic neighborhoods I encountered individual antisemitism almost daily and after I beat the crap out of a few I had enough respect that at Least I was given a wide berth. I was not perturbed to learn that many thought me a bit nuts in picking on the biggest and what they thought the toughest. I learnes that the Gentile cannot stomach a Jew than can fight it destroys their stereotype and what they learned in Church . A Jew who fights shakes the underpinning of all their self confidence in the superiority of what they believed was their own groups or class power hegemony.
Transfer this lesson on a national level and a n Isrel behainf as a trapped wildcat would send the right message to one and all DON”T FUCK WITH US!
Comment by yamit82 — March 8, 2008 @ 8:51 am
National Pride Brains and Balls is what is lacking in our leadership NPBB. One of the problems with revolutions is that all of the suckers that fought for he revolution soon had the revolution turn against themselves and some two bit dictator or autocrat once ensconced in office did things his way, Screw the revolution, everyman for himself, only the true believers and the people suffered the results of revolution. The only successful revolution I can think of in terms of goals succeeding is the American one.
For once I agree with Narvey almost at least.
Comment by yamit82 — March 8, 2008 @ 1:46 pm
I am genuinely sorry for delay in getting back
Bill
The revolution is this. Judaism is a religion, and a philosophy, very old, very authentic and key, but it is not a revolutionary theory and practice to meet the demands of the present, which is a situation of fascist rule, and the return of 30s Hitlerism. That is the conflict right there.
Yamit
That is precisely what is needed. But you face Fascist enemies. On an international scale. First you need to remove Olmert, second to do that you need to destroy Shas which is his prop, third you need a revolutionary govt, then you need new rev leaders in IDF, lastly you need a committee linking the two, with the IDF having freedom to move.
The position of Trotsky, a state, a respite free from antisemitism is a revolutionary idea of the greatest order. To carry that out you must discredit totally Ben Gurionism, Lanourism, Stalinism (Sharon and Hass’s parents), we on the outsiode must destroy the Fascist Left, British and US Imperialism which are Fascist (see lesson of Kosovo)
it seems impossible. I am just stating what is required.
On antisemitism, I do not claim to be an expert, but I start with povery, class, low level of culture, christians in competition, islam, on to Stalinism and even before stalinism faulty ideas on nationalism by marx Lenin and Trotsky. the need for rulers to have a scapegoat. etc.
Jealousy of the Jews as the first to create a conscious nationalism and monogamous supernatural etc.
hatred because they were in competition and hatred enabled them to rule oveer their own oppressed.
Comment by Felix Quigley — March 9, 2008 @ 11:45 am