1. benjamin said:

"Previous to the Yom Kippur War, Kissinger cut a deal with Moshe Dayan, Sadat and Assad. Dayan would prevent Israeli war preparedness, giving the Arabs 24 hours to do what they wanted to Israel."

That's completely psychopathic. The Yom Kippur War destroyed Dayan's career and ended forever his dream of being Prime Minister, the idea that he consented to it in a secret act of treason (which is exactly what Chamish is accusing him of, if not in so may words) is worse than insane, its willful idiocy. I wont even bother with the slander against Sharon, who not only did not destroy Herut, he helped bring it to power and eventually political hegemony. Leave the wingnut conspiracies to the pro-Palestinians,will you?

2. Tamar said:

The Yom Kippur War: A Nation Caught By Surprise

by Peter Colon

"Since the end of the Six-Day War and the War of Attrition (1967, 1970), Syria and Egypt had plotted moves toward another major conflict with Israel. The ominous signs coming from the Arab world caused Golda Meir to call an emergency cabinet meeting. The issue was whether to strike first. In the past, Israel relied on its preemptive strike and fast-moving, offensive armor. Yet it was Moshe Dayan who argued that if Israel mobilized before a shot was fired, they would risk intense international criticism as the aggressor in this war. During their meeting, the military secretary burst into the room shouting that the shooting had started. Suddenly they heard the piercing wail of air-raid sirens. The Yom Kippur War had begun."

Military historians point out that Israel was lulled into a false sense of security—overconfidence resulting from its swift victories in past wars. The Israelis saw themselves as invincible and their enemies inferior. At the same time, Israel put too much confidence in its ability to mobilize rapidly.

Another contributing factor to Israel’s near disaster in 1973 was its failure to appreciate the enemy’s determination to destroy them. Long before the attack took place, the enemy used the tactic of misinformation to disguise their true intentions, thus lulling Israel into a state of complacency. "I never believed that the enemy [Israel] could be led astray," said Sadat’s Chief of Staff, General Shazli, after the war.

Benjamin....I lived through that attack and subsequent war.

When it comes to challenging historic facts and details. as others have discovered here at I'Pundit, best not try your luck with me.

And that goes for Barry also.

Chag Sameach,

Tamar

3. Tamar said:

Let's not forget that the CFR has mobilised it's finest "One-Worlders" in the past... to convince Israel that national suicide is in it's "best interests".

Here's another gem from the CFR morgues.....

"In a key speech delivered in May 1989 to AIPAC, US Secretary of State James Baker III placed the blame on Israel for the Arab-Israel conflict, and seemed to echo Arab propaganda, urging Israeli leaders to abandon the "unrealistic vision of a Greater Israel" that includes the West Bank and Gaza Strip. He then laid out the American position on what is now called the Arab-Israeli peace process. He urged self-government for Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza in a manner acceptable to Palestinians, Israel, and Jordan, a formula designed to provide ample scope for Palestinians to achieve their full political rights while also providing ample protection for Israel's security. This utopian vision has failed to materialize."

And by the way......try this link;

http://www.hebroots.org/hebrootsarchive/9807/980721_g.html

Prophesy? Or merely simple human cognizance? It doesn't take a weatherman to see which way the wind blows.

Which leads us back 25 years...to Dylan

All that foreign oil controlling American soil,
Look around you, it's just bound to make you embarrassed.
Sheiks walkin' around like kings, wearing fancy jewels and nose rings,
Deciding America's future from Amsterdam and to Paris
And there's a slow, slow train comin' up around the bend.

Man's ego is inflated, his laws are outdated, they don't apply no more,
You can't rely no more to be standin' around waitin'
In the home of the brave, Jefferson turnin' over in his grave,
Fools glorifying themselves, trying to manipulate Satan
And there's a slow, slow train comin' up around the bend.

Hmmmm, that Folk singer certainly was on target! 25 years ago? It could have been penned yesterday, but then again, today, in our climate of "Personality Cults" Dylan would be called a "Psychopath".

4. Tamar said:

Barry is credible and his claims are backed up by excellent research.

Many others have information that would astound you.....but we are not as brave as Barry.

The nicest person I know....someone I've known my entire life, was deeply involved in some terrible actions and cover-ups.

Chag Sameach,

Tamar

5. Tiburon said:

Wow Tamar...that last comment gave me a little chill. Almost enough to jump a flight to meet with you and friend in Israel and hear w/own ears. Barry Chamish, for me - it's hard, I'm sorry. But I recognize that alot of that is because even with all I've come to know of the perfidy, it's even worse, and I carry a degree of denial. I refered on my comment to Ted's post to the "Shabbatean conspiracy" thing as being 'tinfoil hat' territory, but honestly and fairly - at so many points of the compass it simply makes sense. I may not agree with every element of Barry's political cant, but the precision of his basic research is undeniable, and the picture it makes is grotesquely ugly no matter from which angle it's viewed.
As to Benjamin's comment of concern regarding 'slander' of Arik,...get over it. I read every book and article 'written by' that man for years before he took rule in the Likud/Labour cabal, and watched dumbfounded as he made these neckwrenching 180's on every single plank of the platform on which he was elected. What do you call a politician who lies barefaced on existential national questions where you reside, Benjamin? Where I come from we call him a Scumbag Liar and Traitor. That's 'slander'? Got better terms of description? To me, it took the unlimited power of the Executive position for us to see Arik's true Machiavelian predelictions, though I reserve a little caveat that maybe he and his family are under 'life threat' to tow the "Destroy Jewish Connection to Land of Israel" CFR line...and yes, after all - what DID happen, really, to Yitzak Rabin?
I notice Omri "Enough money to get us all out of here" Sharon's comin' up for indictment after all, eh?
As I tell all as they move through the discomfiting process of facing this perfidy, as I had to do: - "FOLLOW THE MONEY".

6. Tamar said:

Tiburon, since we all have been transported to the Gutenberg Galaxy....the mere mention of one's doubts regarding the "official version" has become very risky.

That's the great thing about conspiracies! To speak of them risks the loss of everyone and everything.

7. benjamin said:

You are both completely out of your minds. I'm glad you despise Sharon so much, its yet another confirmation that he's on the right track.