As If You Needed More Proof

As If You Needed More Proof

Did you know that the Palestinians are going to keep murdering Israelis:

The following are excerpts from an interview with Hamas leader Mahmoud Al-Zahar that appeared in Asharq Al-Awsat on August 18, 2005...
Q: "Will Hamas resume its operations in Israeli towns after the withdrawal?"

A: "Firstly, there are no Israeli towns. These are settlements. If the aggression and occupation continue, the Palestinian people will have no alternative but to defend themselves. The Palestinian people are not killing the occupiers or being killed out of fun or madness. The life spent by our generation in killing, imprisonment, and exile is not the life that we want for our sons. We want them to live in security and peace and to live in a homeland in which they are able to move and not to live as slaves of the Israeli enemy."
We were sitting in the cafeteria this afternoon getting some dinner, and the network news was on in the background. The less-than-well-educated newscaster read whatever the wire report on disengagement was, and then finished up by saying that Hamas says that their "resistance" will continue until they've liberated all "occupied Palestinian lands." We wonder how many people - including the newscaster - understood that by "occupied Palestinian lands" Hamas means "Israel".

[Cross-posted at Mere Rhetoric]

Posted by Omri Ceren at August 20, 2005 10:00 PM

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1. Joseph Alexander Norland said:

Omri, Omri, Omri! Was it not you who supported the Deportation plan hatched by Benedict Sharon Arnold? What did you expect when you surrender to terrorists???

Posted by: Joseph Alexander Norland on August 20, 2005 10:27 PM

2. Omri Ceren said:

Joe, quite the opposite - I've always been very straightforward with my belief that terrorism would increase in the short term after the disengagement. My justification for disengagement is not Mofaz's - i.e. that the disengagement would reduce terrorism.

My justification was that international pressure would inevitably force Israel to leave the Gaza Strip anyway, but if Israel waited that withdrawal would be in the context of negotiations that would have deprived Israel of even more (control of border crossings, veto over the reopening of the airport, reparations to Palestinians, etc). If Israel must leave - and for all the vitriol that has been leveled at Sharon, I have yet to hear a single compelling scenario under which Israel could have stayed in the Gaza Strip indefinitly... if Israel must leave the Gaza Strip, then leaving on Israel's own terms is better than leaving on the Palestinians' terms.

But as another blogger - a fervent opponent of disengagement - emailed me today: "Look. You've been one of the ones who said "expect more terror but we have to do it anyway." So for anyone to hold up terrorist attacks as evidence that you were wrong would be poor form. Others, though, have taken a different tack. So, sorry, expect me to call them on it when the mortars and rockets begin to fall."

I expect terrorists to continue being terrorists, and I expect the international community to continue ignoring that terrorism. And I expect Israel to keep doing the best to make due in such a situation.

Posted by: Omri Ceren on August 20, 2005 10:45 PM

3. Protos said:

The world definitely agrees! Jewish terrorism is up bigtime since the Gaza "withdrwal". One Jewish terrorist killed 3 innocent Palestinians two weeks ago, another Jewish terrorist killed 4 more the other day. I guess it's just the latest episode in the 60 year long Jewish program of Genocide of the Palestinian people.

Posted by: Protos on August 21, 2005 02:00 AM

4. Goy BenLukas said:

Your honour mr. Protos if you pease!
"The world definitely agrees!

What do you mean saying "the world"? I think I'm not the only one in the world (btw. created by GOD of Israel)who does not agree!
Do you know even yourself what is "palestinian people"? Would I become a member of "palestinians" if I move to some city in the Land of Israel?
It is a historical fact that an Hebrew king kalled David bought the Temple Mount area from its former owner Arauna and payed it in cash about 2800 years ago. No-one in the world can ignore that legal bargain. It has been and still is a property of David's descandants. If you speak about Israels occupation in Gaza, why do you forget the mosque on the Holly Mount at the same time?

Posted by: Goy BenLukas on August 21, 2005 07:14 AM

5. Goy BenLukas said:

Your honour mr. Protos if you pease!
"The world definitely agrees!

What do you mean saying "the world"? I think I'm not the only one in the world (btw. created by GOD of Israel)who does not agree!
Do you know even yourself what is "palestinian people"? Would I become a member of "palestinians" if I move to some city in the Land of Israel?
It is a historical fact that an Hebrew king kalled David bought the Temple Mount area from its former owner Arauna and payed it in cash about 2800 years ago. No-one in the world can ignore that legal bargain. It has been and still is a property of David's descandants. If you speak about Israels occupation in Gaza, why do you forget the mosque on the Holly Mount at the same time?

Posted by: Goy BenLukas on August 21, 2005 07:15 AM

6. Heikki BenLukas said:

Your honour mr. Protos if you please!
"The world definitely agrees!

What do you mean saying "the world"? I think I'm not the only one in the world (btw. created by GOD of Israel)who does not agree!
Do you know even yourself what is "palestinian people"? Would I become a member of "palestinians" if I move to some city in the Land of Israel?
It is a historical fact that an Hebrew king kalled David bought the Temple Mount area from its former owner Arauna and payed it in cash about 2800 years ago. No-one in the world can ignore that legal bargain. It has been and still is a property of David's descandants. If you speak about Israels occupation in Gaza, why do you forget the mosque on the Holly Mount at the same time?

Posted by: Heikki BenLukas on August 21, 2005 07:15 AM

7. Joshua said:

Protos writes:

"I guess it's just the latest episode in the 60 year long Jewish program of Genocide of the Palestinian people."

One would have imagined that the kind of vicious anti-Semitic lies which lead directly to the Holocaust and of which the above is a perfect example would have been banished from the planet when Auschwitz was liberated. It goes to show just how important Israel is to the Jewish people.

Posted by: Joshua on August 21, 2005 08:33 AM

8. georg von mecklenburg said:

The simple solution to the Gaza situation was to deport the 1.4 Million Arabs from Jewish Land. Why is it that Israeli Jews should leave? By conceding to the fact that Gaza is part of a so called "Palestinian" State, only legitimizes their existance.

It is interesting to review allof the times that Israel has retreated from its own land and has received absolutely nothing in return. Nothing.

Don't be so surprised when hearing that the Palestinians want to kill Jews. By this action of forced removal, Israel has basically told the Palestinians that we are cheap... come and get us. We will not retaliate nor impose harsh conditions. For the sake of peace, we will retreat further.

Posted by: georg von mecklenburg on August 21, 2005 08:59 AM

9. Mary Hogan said:

You got it Georg, the rest who are wasting time defending Sharon...and crossing their fingers that it is some sort of genius...instead a has been, who gave up Torah for Pulitzer, and Nobel...hopefulness savvy.

Secular Israel is getting what it wants. NOTHING!!!!

Posted by: Mary Hogan on August 21, 2005 11:54 AM

10. Omri Ceren said:

Georg: Ignore for a second the moral crime of deporting 1.4 million people on trains and depositing them on the other side of a relatively hostile border - a crime qualitatively and quantatively different than the deportation of Jews from Gaza if only because the latter was done by a sympathetic regime that recompensated the settlers for their land and ostensibly acted out of their long-term interest... Ignore all that and ask yourself the consequentialist question: do you think that Israel could survive more than a year or two under the withering international sanctions regime that would follow such an atrocity? Seriously?

Posted by: Omri Ceren on August 21, 2005 12:09 PM

11. Mary Hogan said:

You are appropriately named Omri, how's your daughter Ataliah?

Your story is a lie. There are no Palestinian people, only Arabs.

The Jews are bigger than a puny Arab like you can even understand.

They will make it, perhaps not following the Secular hedonists, but they will prosper...NOW!!

Posted by: Mary Hogan on August 21, 2005 12:14 PM

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