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Oh Give Me a Break
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Andrew
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I agree with your main point, but as long as we're being "exact"- there have been a few more than two Jewish attacks on Arabs.
For instance, there is the Bat Ayin cell, several of whose members repeatedly planted bombs outside Palestinian schools (one went off, one didn't). They may also have been responsible for about ten murders of Palestinians on the roads during the Intifada- some of which were claimed by the "Committee for Public Road Safety". There have been other incidents of Jewish extremists being caught with various stolen army ordinance, including weapons and explosives.
A few links: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2012256.stm; http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4075001.stm...
There was also this lovely little incident: http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/07/31/1027926917209.html?oneclick=true
So it seems that, yes, in fact, we have both seen incidents of vigilantes taking matters into their own hands, as well as at least one mob attempting to lynch Arabs. Sorry.
Unquestionably, the ratio of paramilitary attacks is still rather stilted, but it's important to acknowledge Jewish terrorism when it does occur, and to call it by its name.
Posted by: Andrew on August 6, 2005 09:18 PM
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J. Lichty
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Perhaps they would feel safer with their peaceful olive picking cousins in the mythical land of Palestine.
Posted by: J. Lichty on August 6, 2005 09:40 PM
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t
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Andrew you are a bit pedestrian in your views of what constitutes a"terrorist." If someone murdered your family and the law did nothing about it woulded you be a bit frustrated? What he did was wrong but understandable. Israelis have their hands tied when it comes to justice or retaliation. Remember who created this atmosphere.
Posted by: t on August 7, 2005 02:09 PM
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Andrew
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t: You say I'm pedestrian, I say you're deliberately obtuse. Care to split the difference?
Yes, if I lost a friend or family member, I might very well be frustrated, and I might very well engage in vigilantism myself, but that wouldn't change the fact that that was what I was doing, and I can only hope someone would be honest enough to call me on it. (Same thing, incidentally, if I was a Palestinian.)
Shooting random people on the road is terrorism. So is planting bombs near an elementary school. So is shooting up a bus. These are not new rules or definitions- I'm using the same ones that would be applied if the targets were Jewish and the attackers Palestinian.
This shouldn't be treated different than any other terror attack: you can try to figure out what made the attacker do it, or decide that it might have even had some justifcation. But don't say it wasn't terrorism. After all, I'm sure there have been a lot of angry and frustrated Palestinians, too.
Let's call a spade a spade, please.
Posted by: Andrew on August 7, 2005 09:50 PM
Oh Give Me a Break
I've been unequivocal in my condemnation of Natan-Zada, and unrepentant in labeling him a terrorist. But this Israeli Arabs live in fear meme is getting out of hand:
There have been two Jewish terrorist attacks on Arabs in the last 12 years - exactly two. During that time, over 1,300 Israelis have been murdered by Arab terrorists without a single vigilante taking matters into his own hands, let alone some Jewish mob randomly lynching Arabs. Natan-Zada - a deranged murderer - has set back the security of the State of Israel and the Zionist cause. But to imply that this is the start of some massive campaign of violence against Arabs, as the international media and Arab spokespeople are implying, is ignorant at best and anti-Israeli fear-mongering at worst.[Cross-posted on Mere Rhetoric]
Posted by Omri Ceren at August 6, 2005 03:28 PM