1. felix quigley said:

I agree with this analysis by Ted and with the nature of the programme at the end.

His analysis of the Road Map is very correct. This Road Map is a ganging up of the Great Powers of the world against Israel and in support of a Palestinian State. The Road Map was hatched at around the same time as Northern Ireland’s Good Friday Agreement which was also a kind of conspiracy to impose a non-democratic government on a small state, in that case Northern Ireland.

The GFA was written in such a way that it was difficult to counter in a democratic way because power was taken away from the elected representatives and politics then became a matter of jumping through an indefinite number of hoops set by OUTSIDE agents.And America (Clinton) and Britain were involved as well.

And so the Road Map. With the RM Israelis became mere spectators to a political “process” decided by others, in this case by the Quartet in close association with Palestinian terrorism, 2 sides of the one anti-semitic coin.

Ted is right to focus on that and to stay focussed. He is also right in that the only way to fight it is to oppose it totally and in rejecting it place forward our own Jewish programme.

Moreover it is by fighting on a clear independent and Jewish programme based on history (the 1922 Mandate which is still the basis of everything) that many millions of non-Jews can be won. They can never be attracted by the collaborationist with terrorism type politics of Peres and now Sharon. One small note on this, however, is that there are some issues (such as Kahane) that need some explanation to the non-Jew so a patient elaboration will often be needed. That is a mere detail, however.

That IS a winning formula. To carry it out will require a new party, a revolutionary type of party in Israel and in the Diaspora, a party with a backbone of real steel. That too is possible given the type of young Jews we have seen in Gaza.

That is my only real caveat but it is a big one indeed. I am no real expert on Israeli political parties but what I have seen over the Gaza issue and the way Sharon preyed on these Likud weaknesses I will always have doubts about Likud. I mean there was nobody to come forward to challenge him.

I still think that Professor Eidelberg’s call for a United Front operation is vital, but a United Front and the building of an educated cadre inside that with this programme to the fore – now that would be worth going for. Last week I put down some of my ideas on what I mean by a United Front. It is on www.isill.blogspot.com

2. Chen said:

Ted you are so right about Oslo versus the Road-Map.

The ugly truth concerning the road-map is that it makes Oslo look good. How darn sad is that? Worse, how dare other powers even interfere in this process to begin with. Doing so reveals they are not friends of Israel not in the short or long run.

Bottom line: One can not make peace with those who wish to destroy them. And, terror should never be rewarded. The architects of the road-map are not ignorant to this nor do they care. Israel is merely an appetizer to fend off the wolves. Moreover this convoluted and short sighted thinking will backfire. The architects of the road-map know this as well. By not having the courage to face off with those who perpetrate terror, our not so good friends take the easy way out and serve Israel on a platter to her enemies as a stop gap. And in so doing knifing an important ally squarely in the back. This is not only a morally bankrupt act but serves to expose the vulnerable underbelly of the entire world. After this backfires, who will take the blame for it all once again? Israel!

We are not only a tasty appetizer but a world class scapegoat.

3. Ed D said:

Congratulations Ted, this may be the best post you have written. I, totally agree with you on all points. The only concern that I have is having to wait until the next elections. It would be preferable to have Sharon, Mazuz, Weissglas, Olmert, Halutz, Chief of Police, the Supreme Court and all off the others in complicity, force out of office as soon as possible.

4. Ted Belman said:

On the question of an alternative solution, I suggest one is taking place before our eyes. While the Roadmap focuses on the Palestinians and clearly conditions a future strate on the abandonment of terror, no one believes that terror will be abandoned and thus a Palestinian state created. But the US needs a process to occupy the world.

In the meantime Sharon is writing his own ticket. This includes unilaterally setting Israel's borders. Furthermore we are returning to the pre-Oslo days. Egypt is taking over responsibility for Gaza and Jordan is getting involved in security in Judea and Samaria. All with American blessing and coordination.

5. BobW said:

This is an "upbeat" post that made my afternoon.

May I add a couple of items sqeezed into the "just for starters" section?

Under "11.", prepare emergency legislation to revamp Israel's tax code. If Israel's IDF can develop Singapore's embryonic Defense Force, GOI can ask for assistance for this rich mini-state. Under no conditions can an Israeli from the former SU, CIS, or New York, assist in drafting this new tax code.

Under "11.", prepare emergency legislation to allow for diaspora Jews to purchase houses or apartments in Israel coordinated with a visa program so as the diaspora Jew derives benefits from the purchase. Related legislation must be enacted to make it a felony if Likud/GOI hires any outside consultants. Funding should be the cost of photocopying Switzerland's non-resident real estate ownership laws.

Under preexisting law, relocate the Ministry of Defense TO Jerusalem, id est FROM Tel Aviv. Anyone holding an official position funded off the GOI defense budget objecting to this by act or statement should be treated like 14 year old Jewish girls getting arrested by Israel's police.

At some point in a few days, a high stature team must be commissioned to revamp what Israel calls banks. The current racket is a vestage from eastern Europe.

Immediately criminalize Histaudrut.

Watch Israel grow prosperous and safe !

All the ships of the sea with their crews were in your harbor to traffic in your wares
Ezekiel 27:9

Kol tuv,
BobW

6. Uzi Kattan said:

It's time to dump the architects of the Oslo fiasco namely the Labor and Likud parties. The Likud is the worse of the two since they pretend to be 'right wing' while having the same ideology and behavior of the Labor party. Why bother voting for Likud and have them do Labor's dirty work of brutally and crimnally removing Jews from their homes and leaving them homeless.
I have no love for the Labor party either, they were the ones who set up the corrupt socialist system that both parties are using to keep their power. It's time to get new people who will dismantle this system and replace it with a government which will protect the rights of Jews first not of the Arabs and have local representation. Each representative will be elected in their own district and will be accountable to their constituents. The government should be run using Jewish law not British and communist laws set up for the government to be self perpetuating for their own power. It's also time to clean up the court system of the self hating leftist Jews and clean up the police force of their storm troopers who brutally beat teenagers who disagree with Sharon's evil rule and replace them with decent Jews who will protect Jews instead of beat them. The Histadrut should be criminalized as should other vestiges of Soviet rule.

7. Ed D said:

I agree, but I would like to add a point. The Supreme Court should be disbanded. Judges should be elected for a 6 year term with the ability to be reelected for another term.

8. felix quigley said:

"And in so doing knifing an important ally squarely in the back. "

I think this is perhaps one start of the confusion that exists.

Really all the lessons of the work done on Israpundit and of my own researches is that Israel must NOT see itself as an ally of the "West" and vice versa, how they see Israel is up to them.

Ted is correct to identify the Road Map as the issue. But I do not go along with this:

"On the question of an alternative solution, I suggest one is taking place before our eyes. While the Roadmap focuses on the Palestinians and clearly conditions a future strate on the abandonment of terror, no one believes that terror will be abandoned and thus a Palestinian state created. But the US needs a process to occupy the world. "

I disagree with this assessment because it underestimates what Gaza was all about. The issue of Gaza has brought real truth out into the open. The thinking of Ted and in particular Mere Rhetoric brought them to the point of assisting in Sharon's brutal crime.

There is a section of Israeli and Jewish society who appear to support a Palestinian state. This has to be confronted.

I do not think any of the contributors above agree with this idea of a United Front. the way I pose this is that it is a strategy to stop Sharon AND Likud in its tracks, to force them to take up certain positions, such as first and foremost to start listening to the people who have been expelled.

I have a strong feeling that these are being isolated.

When I look back on Israpundit on its 3rd birthday I think that it is a big success and worthy of pride.

Yet on this recent test of Gaza then it was very late in seeing the enormity of it, and quite a few strains within it were minimising its importance.

The biggest lesson of Gaza was really to fight it out to the end with the Likud leaders. They all betrayed once and they surely will do so again. Ted's programme would be useful in exposing these leaders. But actually ted leaves that side of it out and that is fatal.

I think that in the Jewish world there is still a reliance on America.

But as I say time and time again until Israel stands on its own revolutionary programme IN OPPOSITION TO BUSH RICE AND BLAIR then it cannot win.

The United Front tactic that Professor Eidelberg puts forward has to be seen in the building of a NEW party, of a new type, not seen before in Jewish circles. But I do not think that his party is the answer.

On that note there is STILL no analysis of the stalinist cum reformist influence in the early formation of Israel. Many are even unaware of its existence...

My parting shot is...Likud has just carried off a terrible betrayal...who is to say they are not now reforming to DO EXACTLY THE SAME in a new situation.

It really is all about leadership now.

9. felix quigley said:

Thinking a little more on this VITAL issue overnight.

The thing that strikes me about Sharon and Gaza was how powerless we all were in stopping him. That is the hardest biggest and most important lesson yet human nature being what it is the one we most likely sweep under the carpet and go on to the next phase. That would be really fatal cause nothing learned nothing gained.

I feel that the people at the brunt of it in Gaza are probably now being atomised. In Sharon´s eyes they pose a danger. Israpundit must act to reach these people. It must be proactive on this.

You can see even on this thread that I have differences with Ted while Mere Rhhetoric does not write in on it. Why not? Why the silence? Too busy?

To Ted´s credit he does focus on 2 things here. The first is the Road map. But giving this more thought I think it is terribly wrong to counterpose to it the Oslo Accords because that is also evil.

I think this: We have to bring the programme we fight on back to the 1922 League of Nations treaties. Moreover Sharon has negatived that Treaty by Gaza and that is the enormity of his crime. That must be reversed.

In bringing it back there I want to see everybody now putting forward a demand that Britain be forced to pay to Israel and the Jewish cause a massive amount of money to BEGIN to recompense and make atonement for slicing off Cisjordan to Abdullah.

On the issue of powerlessness it was the Christian movement which put Bush in power, yet Bush is the biggest enemy of all. Surpassing even Carter!

There is no way around it there must be a new party built based on some of Teds principles at the end. The United Front that Eidelberg puts forward, kind of, can be used to reach those young elements we saw in Gaza.

I agree very much that Israel as a refuge against anti-semitism MUST BE JEWISH AND REMAIN JEWISH until there is no more anti-semitism in the world.

10. SHmuel HaLevi said:

Your best.

SHmuel