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I have a guts feeling that some "compromise" may come out of this mess anyway. The question is then whether the Jewish community in the UK should anticipate the establishment of a "Deir Yassin Day" by proposing to move the Holocaust day till 24 April, and commemorate the Holocaust together with the Armenians and other victims of genocide, on an International Dhimmi Day dedicated to the victims of Appeasement. Posted by: Per on September 11, 2005 10:01 AM
Nothing compares to the holocaust. It is a unique event in history, particularly European history, that must be memorialized. Of course any country can choose to memorialize anything they want but that is no reason to ride on the back of the holocaust or to detract from its uniquenbess. Let it stand on its own two feet. I have no doubt that the motivation here is to destroy the symbolism of the holocaust rather than to memorialize other mass killings. Posted by: Ted Belman on September 11, 2005 11:33 AM
There have been many dreadful mass losses of life in history as an effect or side-effect of wars. That is not the same thing as deliberately calculated plans to annihilate an entire people. 1. The Albigensians in the 13th century Deliberate genocide against Muslims? When? Where? by Whom? Posted by: A Time to Speak on September 11, 2005 12:27 PM
"Nothing compares to the holocaust." The slaughtering of persecuted Jews over the past 2000 years, however, amounts to many times the 6 million killed during the 3 year duration of the Holocaust. In addition, one should not be surprised if the number of others killed by Islam and other regimes for similar reasons over the past 1400 years, is found to exceed 600 million. The Holocaust was a brief episode in the history of genocide. Failing til learn and memoralize the whole history, will certainly not diminish the chance for having it repeated. Posted by: Per on September 11, 2005 02:22 PM
The Home Secretary appoints a Task Force of Islamic extremists to tacke extremism post 7/7. Then surprise surprise the first act by a leadership in denial is an antisemitic one - to trivialise the uniqueness of the holocaust for political means by seeking to equate it with the israel/palestine conflict. The true test for the government is whether they can retain the high moral ground by dismissing the efforts of this extremist fringe, or pander to their warped perspectives and offer them some sort of secondary genocide day in order to appease them.The Labour Party popularity is declining fast and the Government will be judged by the wider community by their response. Posted by: leonard on September 11, 2005 04:01 PM
Something similiar is going on in the States - although the political confrontation is absent because of sophisticated USG methods. There is a new museum to memorialize the Cambodia "killing fields". A slavery museum is currently being built. There are programs for the Vietnamese refugee "boat people". The Armenian preWWI massacre is receiving attention. There are additional programs comingling Holocoast museums into a larger mosiac. Circa 2002, there was a demographic change in the States. The largest and richest minorities were blacks and Jews, respectively. This has now changed. The largest and richest are Mexicans and overseas Chinese, respectively. America's link with Europe is thus broken. The current US Holocoast Museum theme is now "tolerance". Watch some other countries follow London and Washington, D.C. Kol tuv, Posted by: BobW on September 11, 2005 04:40 PM And just to let the rest of the world know how anti-Israel/anti-semitic the UK is: IDF general escapes arrest by London police's anti-terrorist unit General (res.) Doron Almog, former head of the Israel Defense Forces' Southern Command, escaped arrest Sunday by the London police's anti-terrorist and war crimes unit, when he remained on an aircraft that had landed in Heathrow airport and returned with it to Israel several hours later. Almog had arrived in London on an El-Al flight. Israel Ambassador Zvi Hefetz learned of a plan to arrest him for allegedly perpetrating war crimes during the intifada, and quickly informed Yaki Dayan, head of the political department in Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom's bureau. Posted by: Jerusalem Posts
As bad as the Holocaust was, there was no way that Hitler could have killed ALL the Jews - many already were living in America and other parts of the world. Why is the Holocaust worse than the slaughter of over a million Armenians by the Turks, or of the millions (possibly as many as 10 million depending on which estimates you look at) of Ukrainians by the Soviets, etc.? These other genocides get essentially no attention and are not taught in schools. Posted by: Joe on September 12, 2005 02:32 AM
Joe you don t see the connection? Jew s are persecuted MORE than anyn race on earth!!!!! Posted by: t on September 12, 2005 03:53 AM
The arrest warrant was apparently issued by Daniel Machover of Messrs Hickman and Rose and was signed by District Judge Tomothy Workman who sits at Bow Street Magistrates Court Posted by: Leonard on September 12, 2005 01:14 PM
The Armenian genocide is still quite controversial, in terms of the fact that there are major disputes as to what actually happened, although no one disputes that hundreds and thousands of Armenians were killed in the context of an ethnic war. Nevertheless, the organized, industrialized Genocide perpetrated by the Nazis against the Jews, seeking to whipe them all out, killing all the Jews they could in the territories they conquered, and supported by earlier Jihadists like Mufti Al-Husseini (Arafat's uncle) has been unmatched in human history. It is a dark spot, especially in Europe, which is supposed to be the heart of the "enlightened, civilized" world, where the majority of that world either joined in the kill-your-tiny-minority neighbor fun, or stood by and looked the other way. It is also notable in that it is the culmunation of centuries of European anti-Semitism (or Judenhaus, Jew-hatred, for those who argue that Anti-Semitism, despite being coined to mean Jew-hatred, must also mean hatred of all Semitic peoples). Posted by: Grant Bronson on September 12, 2005 05:55 PM Post a comment |
Ditch Holocaust day, advisers urge Blair
From the TimesOnline:
ADVISERS appointed by Tony Blair after the London bombings are proposing to scrap the Jewish Holocaust Memorial Day because it is regarded as offensive to Muslims.
They want to replace it with a Genocide Day that would recognise the mass murder of Muslims in Palestine, Chechnya and Bosnia as well as people of other faiths.
The draft proposals have been prepared by committees appointed by Blair to tackle extremism. He has promised to respond to the plans, but the threat to the Holocaust Day has provoked a fierce backlash from the Jewish community.
Holocaust Day was established by Blair in 2001 after a sustained campaign by Jewish leaders to create a lasting memorial to the 6m victims of Hitler. It is marked each year on January 27.
The Queen is patron of the charity that organises the event and the Home Office pays £500,000 a year to fund it. The committees argue that the special status of Holocaust Memorial Day fuels extremists’ sense of alienation because it “excludes” Muslims.
A member of one of the committees, made up of Muslims, said it gave the impression that “western lives have more value than non-western lives”. That perception needed to be changed. “One way of doing that is if the government were to sponsor a national Genocide Memorial Day.
“The very name Holocaust Memorial Day sounds too exclusive to many young Muslims. It sends out the wrong signals: that the lives of one people are to be remembered more than others. It’s a grievance that extremists are able to exploit.”
The recommendation, drawn up by four committees including those dealing with imams and mosques, and Islamaphobia and policing, has the backing of Sir Iqbal Sacranie, secretary-general of the Muslim Council of Britain.
He said: “The message of the Holocaust was ‘never again’, and for that message to have practical effect on the world community it has to be inclusive. We can never have double standards in terms of human life. Muslims feel hurt and excluded that their lives are not equally valuable to those lives lost in the Holocaust time.”
Ibrahim Hewitt, chairman of the charity Interpal, said: “There are 500 Palestinian towns and villages that have been wiped out over the years. That’s pretty genocidal to me.” (my comment: there is the ethnic cleansing of 900,000 Jews from Arab countries, may of which are now Judenrein...)
The committees are also set to clash with Blair on his proposal to ban Hizb ut-Tahrir, the radical Islamic group. Government sources say they will argue that a ban is unjustified because the group, which is proscribed in much of the Middle East, neither advocates nor perpetrates violence in the UK.
A Home Office spokesman said it would consider the proposals for a separate Genocide Day for all faiths but emphasised that it regarded the Holocaust as a “defining tragedy in European history”.
Mike Whine, a director of the British Board of Deputies, said: “Of course we will oppose this move. The whole point is to remember the darkest day of modern history.”
Louise Ellman, Labour MP for Liverpool Riverside and a Holocaust Memorial trustee, said: “These Muslim groups should stop trying to evade the enormity of the Holocaust.”
The seven committees finalise their recommendations today at St George’s House, Windsor, and will submit them to Blair and Charles Clarke, the home secretary, on September 22.
Posted by Ted Belman at September 11, 2005 06:24 AM