1. Chen said:

Where are the leaders of the free world? Why are their mouths shut so tightly? They in fact are no better then the red cross or those the red cross appeases.

Oh, I guess they are as silent with this as they have been with the wonton desecration of Jewish Synagogues! A simple search on ones computer will reveal that not one of them have had not a shred of basic human courage to say ***ONE SINGLE WORD*** about it.

If the Red Cross is the devil and the Arab world their patrons then what can we say for the (so-called) leaders of the free world?

2. Ted Belman said:

Only through competion can we achieve excellence. Let the Red Cross remain as it is and let the Muslims provide help under the crescent and star. Then let the Muslims compete for attention and respect by their service to mankind.

As for Mogan Dovid Adom let them continue with their star of David but the Red Cross should finally consider them a partner.

3. Ted Belman said:

By the way, Marc Schulman is our latest contributor who has a lot to say and a great way of saying it. I welcome him to Israpundit

4. Chen said:

Ted Belman I read quite carefully what you write and I have learned an awful lot from you. However here I flatly am at odds even though we both desire the same end result.

You wrote:

but the Red Cross should finally consider them a partner.

But nothing. It will never happen until our leaders deem it so. The reason Magen David Adom is not recognized by the Red Cross has to do with Anti-Semitism. It is an evil act which reflects hatred of Jews. My Magen David is just as pertinent as a red cross and a red crescent. But we see it is not. We should not be CONSIDERED a partner with Red Cross no matter how exemplary we are. Why should anything be considered? We should just BE. Plain and simple. This is not a contest.

This bad deed can only be erased by leaders who are not worried they will offend the Muslim street. It can only happen when telling the truth is more important not least important.

When my leaders are silent on such things as Synagogue desecration all the way to blatant Anti-Semitism by the Red Cross, I know we are in trouble.

5. Ted Belman said:

Hi Chen

There are many people and organizations who have worked to get the Red Cross to recognize the Red Star. This should continue and should go beyond words.

But I consider the matter of the Red Crescent of a different nature. Islam is dedicated to emasculating the West. It wants to dismantle our institutions and our culture. The Red Cross should not acquiese to Islamic demands that they deface themselves.

6. BobW said:

Is there not some ulterior motive being pushed by GOI?

Does Israel seek membership in the umbrella organization for access to funds? or perhaps to further "legitimacy" as a nation?

For many years Switzerland did not belong to the United Nations. Yet the Swiss continued to run their small country.

Is Israeli membership in the International Committee of the Red Cross and Red Crescent a key project based on priorities? (I probably should not have asked this question.) After the casinos are running and the terrorists pensioned off, there is time to beg for membership. Currently, this should be at the bottom of the list.

And they shall not have to bear again the taunts of the nations Ezekiel 34:29

Kol tuv,
BobW

7. Chen said:

Ted. You wrote:
The Red Cross should not acquiesce to Islamic demands that they deface themselves.

Of course they should not but they are, right? This is a fact. And it will continue. It will continue until our leaders scream ENOUGH.

As for people and organizations which have spoken out against the Red Cross vs. Magen David Adom, they will continue as well. However, in this age of heightened frenzy of Anti-Semitism it is most important for people to hear their leaders speak 'directly' to those who perpetrate Anti-Semitic acts. Jews deserve it hence the future of everyone will be vastly better for it. Think what message this will deliver to those that not only hate Jews but the United States of America and all we stand for.

Like I said Ted, if our leaders refuse to speak directly to this topic how can we expect the Red Cross to have an epiphany over this?? Sorry to say, it just ain't gonna happen no how. In the end, due to no public pressure on the Red Cross from govermental heads, the Red Cross will do nothing but continue to acquiesce to Islamic demands.

Tell you what, when I heard one condemnation after another for the so-called flushing of the Koran and I hear silence now we have to be shaking our heads as to where this world is headed. I sure had a better vision taught to me by my parents. Better than what they had to live through. Now what? Where are we going?

8. BobW said:

Shalom Chen,

The thinest file folder I have here in my study (I'm a retired businessman.)has a file labeled "Jewish Leadership".

Of the only a few documents and notes in it is a 1997 article titled "Is Israel Governable" by Rabbi Rafael G. Grossman. In his article he has 2 boldprint doctrines. They are:

"A positive Jewish image is both religiously mandatory and essential to our security and safety."

and

"Jewish leaders must have a historic perception of their purpose and mission far beyond governing."

This Red Cross matter is really only a peripheral matter. It is far deeper. Most nations would not deal with international organizations that do not recognize their national institutions. Besides this Red Cross matter, Israel also made public statements re the Saudi Arabian peace plan. For Israel to make public comments on a document from a nation refusing diplomatic recognition with Israel has attributes of prostitution.

The issue is really Jewish leadership and the desperate need for a Jewish government in Israel. All else are the tangents.

Re the prostitution; a joke for politicos;

What's the difference between a politican and a prostitute? There are some things a prostitute won't do for money.

When we get a Jewish government, these matters like the Red Cross issue will be minor matters of routine to resolve.

No adversary opposes Him twice! Nahum 1:9

Kol tuv
and
Shabbat Shalom
BobW

9. Ed D said:

Bob,
I believe that what you are saying (the same as I), that Israel needs to learn to stand on their own feet, not depending on other nations. Isreali inovations, will bear fruit by building higher technology, building weapons technologies, building the most vast and best farming in the world, develope their own aircraft and automobiles without the dependence of oil. One might throw in General Ay'lon as Prime Minster, because we need to have some one is who willing to really defend this country. We, also, need to change government policies so that members of Knessset are elected by the people. As a needed addendom, the Supreme Court needs to be unseated and new Justices should be elected to 6 year terms with the ability to be relected one time. In other words, build a democracy so strong, that the USA should feel ashamed.

10. Chen said:

Shabbat Shalom to you too BobW! And to Ted and others as well.

I just don't see this lack of Jewish leadership. I guess I have been so involved with many Synagogues and other Jewish organizations all my life to really see lack of a voice. Having said that I do know for so many reasons Jews feel if they meld into society they will be accepted. If they keep a quiet tone it is safer. Well you have heard it all too I would imagine. This of course is our greatest weakness not our strength yet I understand it. I understand where this comes from and why. I do feel future generations will go the other way and that is my hope.

I will end giving the following message.
After the Shoah up to this very day Jews have been told both by Jews and others that "what can we expect from the world when we did not save ourselves?" Jews say this to let others off the hook and others say this to let themselves off the hook. Both are terribly wrong.

For one Jewish Chen there are billions of others of other religions. If I am drowning it is the responsibility of others to save me. If I am bombarded with stones and others sit by and watch, who are they? If I am treated unfairly and unjustly then why should it not be the obligation of those around me to speak for me if my voice is but one?

Bottom line. Even if I do not scream loud enough or long enough is this not reason to come to my defense?

The reason Jews are persecuted and hated and slaughtered has nothing to do with our voice but the voices which scream against us.

The Red Cross organization is just a symbol of a voice louder and more powerful than my voice or all the voices of every Jew combined. This is a fact. For the world to sit by and wait for my voice to be more shrill as an excuse for their silence is a horrible mistake and a sin of the greatest degree.

For this silence the whole world will sink into the abyss only because there will be no one left to throw the life raft.

11. Chen said:

Ed D.

Wait a minute. Israel stand on her own feet? Do you have any idea what Israel provides the world? See Israel21c.org Where would the world be without Israel is my question? Tell me about this world who threatens embargos, sanctions and boycotts against Israel for defending herself? What kind of a world would do this to a country which provides not only technology and top notch intelligence but medical advances which make other countries pale in comparison? A country where wholesale slaughter of Jews is not put in the same league as a phony war on terror?

And it is in comparriosn to the age of other countries just coming out of her infancy. Cut Israel a little slack, hah?

http://www.shamar.org/emet/analysis/israel_giver.htm
In many ways Israel is the giver and the U.S the reciever.
Read it!

12. BobW said:

Shalom Ed,

Yes, exactly.

Kol tuv,
Bob

13. BobW said:

Shalom Chen,

The only way I can prove to your criteria about a lack of Jewish leadership is via the mass murder rate in Israel and the diaspora conversion rate.

Both are tracable to a lack of Jewish leadership.

Kol tuv,
Bob

14. t said:

They don t care!!!!!!!! Israel is at the forfront of all kind of advances but the world blames. I say FUCK THE WORLD