1. Bill Narvey said:

WHAT MUST BE DONE!

(Posted also on C.C.D. in response to Ted Belman's posting there)

The Front Page interview of Laurent Murawiec, Senior Fellow at the Hudson Institute and author of the new book Princes of Darkness : The Saudi Assault on the West is informative as to details, but adds little to what has been well known to those who are not afraid to see what's really going on with Saudi Arabia.

Mr. Murawiec, may have been outspoken at the U.S. State Department as he says and the State Department may have had some consternation over his advice, but from what we have seen of the U.S. continuing to cozy up to the Saudis, nothing appears to have changed.

Mr, Murawiec's list of "must do's", has been bandied about by a number of writers and pundits over the years, but the people in the halls of government who should be listening and acting on such advice are not.

Does anyone really think the U.S. is going to suddenly reverse course and tell the Saudis how high to jump and expect the Saudis to reply, "how high?".

The Saudis earn trillions of dollars in oil profits annually.

Because of the West's heavy dependence on oil and its fear of upsetting any Saudi rotten apple carts for fear that economic instability will result to cause the West great harm, it is the West that:

Has made the Saudis fabulously wealthy.

Has allowed the Saudis the freedom to generate, develop, and export anti-Western Islamic extremism;

Has allowed the West to delude itself that it is strong enough to withstand the ravages of Saudi spawned Isalmic extremism without having to go after the source of that extremism.

Has allowed the Saudis to dictate or at least heavily influence Western Government's foreign policies.

Has allowed the Saudis to induce the West and America in particular to almost ignore the implaccable Jew hatred of the Saudis and virtually the entire Arab world.

Has induced the West and America to close its ears to the declared intention to destroy Israel, remove it from the map and take all of Israel for Arab lands and instead force Israel to play make believe that the Arabs & Palestinians can be bargained with for peace and Israel's security.

The Saudis have virtually caused the West to sell out Israel and to also sell their souls for the greed of oil and the comfort that economic stability affords.

The only way to change the course of this sorry history is for America to open its eyes, see the Saudis for what they are, and to restore order by force of arms along with recovering as spoils of war all the ill gotten trillions in gains that the Saudis have ripped off the Western world and the underdeveloped non-Muslim world for.

The big question is can America wake from its big sleep? Can it open its eyes to the Islamic enemies and the sources of Islamic extremism like the Saudis? Can it get angry enough to put down the forces that are out to destroy it and the West in general while America and the West still have the power to do that.

So far it looks like America and the West are gutless!

The Laurent Murawiecs' of the world need to keep screaming at the top of their lungs and not stop until gutless wonders in the State Departments of the Western world start listening, recognizing that the point of no return for Islamic domination and a future of pain is drawing near, forgetting that their stomachs get queasy at just the thought of having to do something before it is too late, and start doing what should have been done from the get go almost 60 years ago!

2. Bill Narvey said:

AMENDED COMMENT - WHAT MUST BE DONE!
(Posted also on C.C.D. in response to Ted Belman's posting there)

The Front Page interview of Laurent Murawiec, Senior Fellow at the Hudson Institute and author of the new book Princes of Darkness : The Saudi Assault on the West is informative as to details, but adds little to what has been well known to those who are not afraid to see what's really going on with Saudi Arabia and its ally Arab states that have been the breeding ground for Islamic Jihad and the ultimate goal of a world dominated by Islam.

Mr. Murawiec, may have been outspoken at the U.S. State Department as he says and the State Department may have had some consternation over his advice, but from what we have seen of the U.S. continuing to cozy up to the Saudis, nothing appears to have changed.

Mr, Murawiec's list of "must do's", has been bandied about by a number of writers and pundits over the years, but the people in the halls of government who should be listening and acting on such advice are not.

Does anyone really think the U.S. is going to suddenly reverse course and tell the Saudis how high to jump and expect the Saudis to reply, "how high?", just by talking, even emphatically, to the Saudis and their allies.

The Saudis and its OPEC allies earn trillions of dollars in oil profits annually.

Because of the West's heavy dependence on oil and its fear of upsetting any Saudi rotten apple carts for fear that economic instability will result to cause the West great harm, it is the West that:

Has made the Saudis fabulously wealthy.

Has allowed the Saudis the freedom to generate, develop, and export anti-Western Islamic extremism;

Has allowed the West to delude itself that it is strong enough to withstand the ravages of Saudi spawned Isalmic extremism without having to go after the source of that extremism.

Has allowed the Saudis to dictate or at least heavily influence Western Government's foreign policies.

Has allowed the Saudis to induce the West and America in particular to almost ignore the implacable Jew hatred of the Saudis and virtually the entire Arab world.

Has induced the West and America to close its ears to the declared intention to destroy Israel, remove it from the map and take all of Israel for Arab lands and instead force Israel to play make believe that the Arabs & Palestinians can be bargained with for peace and Israel's security.

Has caused the West to embark almost 60years ago to start selling Israel out and the West is now almost on the verge of selling Israel out completely

Has cost the West mega billions, if not trillions of dollars every year in increased security and intelligence resources to protect the West from Islamic extremism exported by the Saudis and their cohorts and still that is not enough to fully protect the West

Has cost the West the value of each life lost to Islamic and Palestinian extremism and that cost is immeasurable.

Has caused the West to virtually sell their souls for the greed of oil and the comfort that economic stability affords.

The only way to change the course of this sorry history is for America to open its eyes, see the Saudis and their allies for what they are, and to restore order in the world by force of arms along with recovering as spoils of war and compensation for the cost of Saudi and Islamic treachery, all the ill gotten trillions in gains that the Saudis and OPEC have ripped off the Western world and the underdeveloped non-Muslim world for over the last 40 years, take control of the Arab oil and restore Israel to its rightful lands including Gaza and all of Judea and Samaria.

The big question is can America wake from its big sleep? Can it open its eyes to the Islamic enemies and the sources of Islamic extremism like the Saudis? Can it get angry enough to put down the forces that are out to destroy it and the West in general while America and the West still have the power to do that.

So far it looks like America and the West are gutless!

The Laurent Murawiecs' of the world need to keep screaming at the top of their lungs and not stop until gutless wonders in the State Departments of the Western world start listening, recognizing that the point of no return for Islamic domination and a future of pain is drawing near, forgetting that their stomachs get queasy at just the thought of having to do something before it is too late, and start doing what should have been done from the get go almost 60 years ago!

3. BobW said:

A good interview with Laurent Monawiec but some big ticket items were left out and a couple of points might deflect from guessing what's really happening.

The failed Arab oil embargo of 1967 should have been a warning but the US was busy with Indonesia, Vietnam and the Middle East.

The Defense Policy Board and the rest of the Pentagon establishment is important but the real power center is the Senate Armed Services Committee.

One reason US policy on Saudi is kept quiet is because the Caspian oil fields and pipelines are not yet finalized. When the north tier oil flows, Saudi can expect an increase in sand flies and scorpions and a decrease in revenue (Watch Vinnell, the training contractor of SANG, the palace guard, be pulled out w/o a replacement.) Israel must also prepare for the US to enter the Caspian basin.

The "problem" started prior to 1945 and also prior to 1973. Ref the Monawiec book, the 1970s and a little prior, is the area to explore. The Vietnam War was fought on deficit financing ("guns and butter"). This, the US could handle. Concurrently, during the late 1960s, LBJ launched his Great Society - also unfunded. In March, 1968, Treasury Secretary Henry Fowler personally warned LBJ that the Great Society programs were placing the US dollar under serious threat.

The Arabs did not only raise prices, they started to nationalize the oil companies. The oil companies had the option of raising prices or absorbing the losses. Guess what...

The Arabs argued that the oil price increase (and did not discuss the creeping nationalization) was to compensate for the US dollar devaluation. Here, they were right. An important date: 15 August 1971. President Nixon took the US dollar off the gold standard and effectively closed the Bretton Woods post WWII program. Nixon & Co. also imposed a wage and price freze. Finally, after the usuall domestic politics on this, the freeze was lifted - except for oil. The situation got worse during Presidents Carter and Reagan. I mention this to demonstrate it's bipartisan.

The most important point Monawiec makes re foreign oil is:

"they make it into a political (as opposed to market) affair - we return the favor.".

"Every modern Western nation is now a democratic socialist mercantile state with a managed economy and managed trade. Corporations around the world are instruments of the government when it comes to export policy."

Dwayne Andreas
Chairman, Archer Daniels Midland 8 Sep 1995

Kol tuv,
BobW