DISGUSTING

DISGUSTING

Presbyterian Church USA & Families of 9/11 Victims Delegations Meet with Hizbullah

MEMRI

On October 20, 2005, the Lebanese press reported that a delegation from the Presbyterian Church USA, headed by Father Nihad Tu'meh and with Robert Worley as its spokesman,[1] visited southern Lebanon at the invitation of Hizbullah, and met there with the terrorist organization's commander in southern Lebanon, Nabil Qawuq.

During the meeting, Qawuq expressed his doubts about U.S. actions in the region and the intentions of the Bush administration. Worley, on his part, assured Qawuq that he was not defending the U.S. administration, that all delegation members had voted Democratic, and that the Presbyterian Church had been pressured by U.S. Jewish organizations because of its campaign to divest from corporations working with Israel.

A year previously, on October 17, 2004, a Presbyterian Church USA delegation visiting Lebanon also met with Qawuq.

MEMRI TV translated excerpts from a report on the meeting that was aired by Hizbullah's Al-Manar TV. During the meeting, church elder Ronald Stone [2] said,

"We treasure the precious words of Hizbullah and your _expression of goodwill towards the American people. Also, we praise your initiative for dialogue and mutual understanding. We cherish these statements that bring us closer to you. As an elder of our church, I'd like to say that according to my recent experience, relations and conversations with Islamic leaders are a lot easier than dealings and dialogue with Jewish leaders."

The release received extensive coverage by media outlets in the West; the delegation was condemned by U.S. congressmen, and ultimately two delegation members were dismissed from their positions in the Church.

It should also be noted that shortly after the October 20, 2005 meeting, a delegation of families of U.S. victims of 9/11 went to Lebanon met with Hizbullah Deputy Leader Sheikh Naim Qassem. A report on this meeting was also aired on Al-Manar TV and translated by MEMRI TV.

The following are excerpts from reports in the Lebanese press on the October 20, 2005 meeting.

Hizbullah commander in south Lebanon Nabil Qawuq told the delegation:

"Lebanon, like the other countries in the region, suffers from the [political] American storms that have hit the region and are threatening its stability. Any foreign patronage is a bad thing, and the American patronage over Lebanon is the worst, because it is pushing the region towards sectarian segregation. All Lebanese fear the chaos created by the American policy." [3]

"We doubt the American intentions. Are [its intentions] towards the Lebanese honest? The U.S. administration provides political and economic aid to Israel, and [then] comes to Lebanon in order to impose Israeli goals. Does the Bush administration [really] want to help Lebanon economically, [although] the extent of its aid is negligible compared to what it is giving Israel? Is his administration [really] concerned about Lebanese sovereignty, while it encourages Israel to violate Lebanon's air space, all the way to the capital [of Beirut]?

"... The main problem is that Bush devised his plan based on wrong principles because he is unfamiliar with Lebanese reality and its uniqueness. The most dangerous thing regarding the American plan is the religious dimension attributed to it. Bush claims that Allah commanded him to wage war on Afghanistan and Iraq. Did Allah command him to intervene again in Lebanon on behalf of Sharon's interests?! Sharon wants to turn Lebanon into a bridge to harm Syria. All Lebanese agree that Lebanon will not be an American representative in order to harm Syria or a bridge for the Israeli enterprise." [4]


Delegation spokesman Robert Worley said:
"We do not wish to defend the U.S. administration. We all elected the Democratic Party against the Republican Party. Rest assured that we will return to the U.S. in order to continue our activity for peace, and we want to hear about the charity activities and the cultural and social activities organized by Hizbullah in south [Lebanon]. The Americans hear in the Western media that Hizbullah is a terrorist organization, and they do not hear any other opinion. They know nothing about the party's concern for the people of the south. We have suffered much pressure on the part of Jewish organizations in the U.S. because [of our help in] divesting corporations working with Israel. We want Jerusalem to be a united city, just as we encouraged the Palestinians and the Jews to work for peace, and we demanded that our administration adheres to this position." [5]

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[1] According to Presbyterian Church USA sources, Robert Worley taught for 35 years at McCormick Theological Seminary and has since taught at the Near East School of Theology in Beirut, Lebanon and at the Armenian Theological Seminary in Yerevan, Armenia. He regularly leads groups to the Middle East at the request of the Middle East Task Force of the Presbytery of Chicago. See for example: http://www.pcusa.org/pcnews/oldnews/1999/99131.htm.

[2] Reported by Al-Manar TV as "Dronel Stone," but according to the Presbyterian Church USA website, http://www.pcusa.org/acswp/wwd/wwd-violence-workgroup.htm, his name is Ronald Stone.

[3] Al-Mustaqbal (Lebanon), October 21, 2005.

[4] Al-Nahar (Lebanon), October 21, 2005.

[5] Al-Mustaqbal (Lebanon), October 21, 2005.

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1. Bill Levinson said:

http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/fs/37191.htm lists "Hizballah (Party of God)" as a foreign terrorist organization defined as such by the U.S. State Department. The page adds,


"It is unlawful for a person in the United States or subject to the jurisdiction of the United States to knowingly provide "material support or resources" to a designated FTO. (The term "material support or resources" is defined in 18 U.S.C. § 2339A(b)(1) as " any property, tangible or intangible, or service, including currency or monetary instruments or financial securities, financial services, lodging, training, expert advice or assistance, safehouses, false documentation or identification, communications equipment, facilities, weapons, lethal substances, explosives, personnel (1 or more individuals who maybe or include oneself), and transportation, except medicine or religious materials.” 18 U.S.C. § 2339A(b)(2) provides that for these purposes “the term ‘training’ means instruction or teaching designed to impart a specific skill, as opposed to general knowledge.” 18 U.S.C. § 2339A(b)(3) further provides that for these purposes the term ‘expert advice or assistance’ means advice or assistance derived from scientific, technical or other specialized knowledge.’’"


So representatives of the Presbyterrorist Church of the USA are on record as meeting with designated enemies of the United States, and this should be publicized as widely as possible.

Posted by: Bill Levinson on November 23, 2005 01:58 AM

2. Bill Maniaci said:

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NEVER AGAIN!

Bill Maniaci
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Posted by: Bill Maniaci on November 23, 2005 03:38 AM

3. Bill Maniaci said:

Sorry, the link to our web site did not print in our message (above). Please visit the Jewish Defense League Website at JDL.ORG.IL.

Toda & have a Happy Thanksgiving because those of us in the Diaspora who live in the U.S. have much to be thankful for. Nevertheless, we must all plan on going home to Eretz Israel as soon as possible before the Presbreterrorists and their partners, the National Vanguard, KKK, Aryan Nations, Aryan Brotherhood, National Alliance, World Church Of The Creator, Hammerskins, and scores of others who hate us do more than talk and desecrate our Synagogues. More hard-core violence is just around the corner. Help us and help yourselves to be prepared. Join the JDL

Posted by: Bill Maniaci on November 23, 2005 03:48 AM

4. BobW said:

I note with pleasure Hizbollah commander in South Lebanon Nabil Qawuq discussing "Lebanon sovereignty". The criminal, Qawuq, proves my point. Lebanon is not sovereign.

The Bush Administration is completely conversant regarding Lebanon - and Syria.

Kol tuv,
BobW

Posted by: BobW on November 23, 2005 04:33 AM

5. BenNoach said:

The New Testament says that Catholic Church is the "Secret, Babylon the Great, the Mother of the Harlots, and the Abominations of the earth." sitting on seven hills in Rome, and the other churches are daughters to her. The pope is a representative of Baal and the "virgin Mary is nothing but Ashtarte. Who'll listen to Rome? No one righteous. GOD of Israel has been is and will be EHAD not triune -never. Haven't you seen late Mr. J. Arafat having his Christmas mass in a catholic church in Betlechem - does it tell you something? The church has visibly a covenant with Muslims, but what are they doing in Erez IsraEL? Are they longing for a third party to the contract?
DaniEL 12:10 "Purify themselves, yea, make themselves white, yea, refined are many: and the wicked have done wickedly, and none of the wicked understand, and those acting wisely do understand;

Who'll act wisely?

Maybe an IsraELi (Jew or Goy )has better to trust anyone but GOD of Abraham Isaac & Israel & his WORD.
Ben Noach

Posted by: BenNoach on November 23, 2005 11:18 AM

6. Bill Levinson said:

BenNoach, I don't think any Christian with enough brains to run a turnip (this leaves out the Presbyterrorists and Uniterrorists, of course) would help the Islamofascists. Here is some information that should be distributed to Christians:

http://www.omdurman.org/leaflets/c_killer.html "The Twenty-First Century's Christ Killers"

http://www.omdurman.org/leaflets/friday.html "Friday after Morning Prayers" (A missionary is executed in Saudi Arabia)

http://www.omdurman.org/leaflets/crucified.html "Crucified Between Two Thieves" (A Christian is crucified in the Sudan)


Note that the leaflets pass no judgment on the merits of Christianity. Their argument is that Islamofascist countries kill Christians and would kill Jesus for preaching his theology and philosophy.


Now I obviously don't share Jack Chick's (Chick Publications) theology but he is an outstanding propagandist whose material circulates quite widely and I am in fact sending him some ideas for underscoring the plight of Christians in Islamofascist nations. If he wants to draw pictures of the Christians going to Heaven while everyone else goes to the other place that is up to him, as long as he shows the Islamofascists crucifying, stoning, hanging, and beheading people for being Christians.

Posted by: Bill Levinson on November 23, 2005 01:52 PM

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