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Political Deception in the Holy Land
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Ted Belman
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I als wondered what the hell "independence for security " meant. If "indedendence" doesn't mean "land", what does it mean?
At least it does one thing of value, it distances Israel from the discredited "land for peace" formula.
Posted by: Ted Belman on November 24, 2005 09:07 AM
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BobW
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The "Palestinians" [sic] already hold preexisting Great Power guarantees of independence.
One clue to all this is that the PA did not offer Gaza's Jewish Israelis to remain as citizens or permanent residents of the state in formation.
Kol tuv,
BobW
Posted by: BobW on November 24, 2005 02:16 PM
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Bill Narvey
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All the agreements, from Oslo onwards have primarily obligated the Palestinians to remove from their constitution or guiding principles, the call to destroy Israel, to cease terrorism and dismantle their terrorist infrastructure and to cease dissemination and incitement of Jew hatred.
The Palestinians knew full well exactly what they were agreeing to do and knew full well that they never intended to abide by their agreements.
The Palestinians therefor have continuously failed or refused or both to keep their word.
There is a lesson in that, that has been ignored by Israel and by those Western nations led by the U.S. to push the Israel-Palestinian war towards peace.
The former Israeli position "land for peace" and as Sharon now puts it "independence in exchange for the guarantee of security for Israelis" is the same thing expressed differently.
The fundamental flaw in that position, however expressed, is that the Palestinians are incapable of guaranteeing anything because their only demonstrated inveterate ability is for dishonesty, Jew hatred, and desire to destroy Israel and take all of Israel for themselves.
That Israel continues to speak of making deals with Palestinians is mindboggling, unless one explains it in the context of Israel being forced by the American led powers involved in the farce of a peace process to accept Palestinian lies for truth.
Posted by: Bill Narvey on November 25, 2005 10:04 AM
Political Deception in the Holy Land
It seems that Ariel Sharon has taken a page out of George Orwell's book as he tries to sell the Israeli public on his latest political gimmick (courtesy of Ha'aretz, and my friend, Mike):
George Orwell, in his essay "Politics and the English Language" defines political language as follows:
The political language that emanates from Sharon and the Israeli government today fits this description perfectly, and eerily resembles what life was like in another of Orwell's more famous works, "1984".
* Does anyone really believe that "Independence for Security" is any different than "Land for Peace"?
* Is it possible, that within the "Land for Peace" formula, that the Arabs merely wanted land without the independence, and that that is the reason why they never fulfilled any of their signed agreements and went on to murder and destroy the lives of thousands of Jews?
* Is it possible, that within the "Land for Peace" equation, it wasn't clear to the Arabs that the peace that they were obligating themselves to, in exchange for land, was at the very least security for the citizens of the Jewish State of Israel - and that this is why Oslo literally blew up in our faces?
The only real difference that exists between the "Land for Peace" equation of the Rabin / Peres era with Sharon's "Independence for Security" gimmick is that Rabin & Peres at least tried to fool the People of Israel by (mis)leading them to believe that there was a true "peace partner", and concessions would only be made in return for peace. Sharon, on the contrary, will give away the farm (not his of course - only those belonging to "settlers") and endanger the very existence of the Jewish State of Israel for absolutley nothing in return.
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As an aside, there is one way in which I can see this "Independence for Security" equation working - namely, by applying it in reverse.
If the Arabs are willing to grant the Jewish State of Israel independence from the PLO and their murderous ways, then in return, Israel would provide the Arabs of Yesha (Judea, Samaria & Gaza) with security. Of course, if they do not grant the Jewish State independence, Israel would then take measures to make their lives as un-secure as possible until the Arabs of Yesha came around.
Cross Posted at Israel Perspectives
Posted by Ze'ev Orenstein at November 24, 2005 08:53 AM