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The trouble with any solution is that a high percentage of the areas Arabs (so called Palestinians) view all of these ideas (two state or mutual one state) as a trojan horse until Israel is eliminated and the Arabs take over in a one state ruled by Arabs with the Jews in the sea, dead or back in the Diaspora.
Posted by: Rafi on November 30, 2005 09:09 AM
I endorse Rafi's above comment. Kol tuv, Posted by: BobW on November 30, 2005 09:30 AM
Dr. Wise's one state plan is premised on his initial statement "the One State Plan ensures that Israel remains a democratic Jewish State". In terms of Palestinian citizenship, there would be a phased in 15 year plan. Though I anticipate all Palestinians within Israel would be immediately given many, if not all practical equal rights, until full citizenship is given, there would be at least a perception in the Palestinian mind of being a second class citizen. There are a number of very fundamental flaws in the one state solution balloon now being floated. Some of those flaws are based on wishful thinking that current cultural Jew hatred related realities and Palestinian aspirations, bound up in the destruction of Israel can and will change. Much however has been written by pessimists in that regard that tend to dash the hopes of a most committed optimist. The one state solution is conceived in optimism, but that optimism is far more hope, than reality based. Another flaw is thinking that Palestinians will ever accept living in a state that will forever be a Jewish state with majority power forever in the hands of Jews, even should Muslims become the majority within Israel. It would be perceived by Palestinians and indeed all Arabs that pull so many Palestinian strings, that they as a Palestinian Muslim people would be condemned to live in an eternal state of dhimmitude, which for Muslims is a lesser state of being reserved for those non-Muslims under the thumb of Islam. Palestinians would find this to be eternally humiliating subjugation under the Jews. While a goal of two independent states living side by side in peace is more rooted in reality, that goal too crashes head on with a number of the same realities that make a one state solution an unattainable dream. The U.S. with European support is pushing Israel to concede more and more. Israel is already dangerously close to having conceded more than it can afford to concede and still have a reasonable chance to survive. At some point, I expect Israel will recognize it just has no more to give and the situation will have become one of the immovable force meeting the immovable object. In such scenarios, something inevitably has to give. As Israel concedes more and more, the Arab world sees Israel becoming weaker and weaker. It is very conceivable that at the point when Israel finally refuses to give any more, the Arabs and Palestinians may have by then become emboldened enough to believe Israel is weak enough that a fifth Arab genocidal war against Israel has an excellent chance of success.
Posted by: Bill Narvey on November 30, 2005 09:49 AM
I agree with the above comments. This "one-state solution" is no solution at all. It would be workable only if there were assurances that the arabs will accept their role as a peaceful minority in a Jewish country. That will not happen. You can rest assured that the arabs will do their utmost to undermine Israel as a Jewish state. Given Israeli citizenship, they will begin a campaign to depict Israel as an apartheid, racist state, and most of the world side with the arabs and their bogus claims. The outside pressure on Israel will be of unimaginable proportions, much worse than it is today. The arabs are perfectly aware of that, and they will stop at nothing until they achieve full political power and be able to end Israel from within. P.S. Gershon Basket-Case, PhD is a leftist fool, a self-hating Jew and a terrorist appeaser. Just read his other nauseating "writings". Posted by: Jesse Jacksoff on November 30, 2005 12:37 PM
"Another flaw is thinking that Palestinians will ever accept living in a state that will forever be a Jewish state with majority power forever in the hands of Jews, even should Muslims become the majority within Israel." If they find they cannot live with it, they are (1) free to leave or (2) free to die when they lift a hand against Israel. To hell with them. Posted by: Bill Levinson on November 30, 2005 12:46 PM
Bill you say: 1. They won't leave To think in those terms is like wishing for cancer to go away. We have to admit, there are no easy solutions, and Israeli policies aren't helping. The resolution will come when the jihadi savages piss off enough infidels elsewhere, and the whole non-islamic world turns against them. Until then Israel won't be allowed to lift a finger in its defense. If Hitler was only targeting the Jews, there would be no Jews left today. No one would care. But, when Hitler threatened everyone else, he was defeated and destroyed. The same will happen to islamofascist disease (and you can bet on that). To think of this "conflict" as only Israeli-"palestinian" problem is a huge mistake, and looking for solutions based on that assumption will lead nowhere. Posted by: Jesse Jacksoff on November 30, 2005 02:41 PM
I am not convinced that the Israelis themselves want to live in Israel any more. Recently there was the forced evacuation from Gaza. Nothing in return was given to the Israelis that amounted to anything... yet what happened on the Israeli Street... Absolutely nothing. No riots, no bloodshed, no nothing, except for the few right wing groups, and even their level of support was waning. The Likud went along with this nonsense and soon they will disappear as being irrelevant. I am not convinced that Israelis still want to live in Israel. Concession after concession and Israelis just sit by idely. I guess they are waiting for the next shoe to drop. The Arabs have time on their side. If they do nothing more, they will have won the battle. Israel has been defeated and soon it will disappear as a Jewish State. Posted by: georg von mecklenburg on December 1, 2005 07:44 AM Post a comment |
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Gershon Baskin and Hanna Siniora are co-directors of the Israel/Palestine Centre for Research and Information (IPCRI)
Ynet News
(From the Arab point of view the two state solution has a limited shelf life. The Arab supporters of one state plan believe it works in their favour. On the other hand the One State Plan put forward in Israel from the Mediterranean to the Jordan is designed to creat a Jewish state.
The Arab one state solution can only come about by agreement whereby Israel would agree to give citizenship rights to the Arabs immediately and to accept that the right of return applies to all. The Constitution would have to be negotiated.
The Jewish One State Plan requires that Israel apply it unilaterally on her own terms. Ted Belman)
[...]That discourse is now heading back to the one-state option. The discourse is taking place behind the scenes and the wider public is not yet engaged. The wider public is still supporting the two-state option, but the intellectual discourse supporting the one-state option is gaining steam, and if there is no political movement towards the implementation of the two-state solution, the trend is sure to spillover from the intelligentsia to the Palestinian street.
The time frame limitation of the two-states-for–two-peoples-option is largely linked not only to the physical viability of the Palestinian state in the face of Israeli settlements, but also directly to the possible future shift of Palestinian public opinion influenced by the intellectuals who today are campaigning for the one-state option. If the conflict once again heats up and violence and repression increase, Palestinian public opinion will be influenced rapidly by the intellectual one-state discourse.
The argument of this discourse is very compelling to many Palestinians because it removes completely the need for Palestinians to grant moral recognition to the rights of the Jewish people to have a state of their own. It also moves the political agenda and the struggle to tried and successful platitudes of “one man, one vote,” democracy-type arguments that the entire world understands and remembers from the struggle against Apartheid.
This will be the argument put forward by the intellectuals who reject the two-state solution. These intellectuals will not share with the public that part of the discourse that recognizes the likelihood of even increased suffering and violence that will follow this strategy.
Once the shift of public opinion in favor of the one-state option of the mainstream Palestinian leadership occurs, the two-state solution will lose its validity amongst the Palestinian public. Once this occurs, Israeli public opinion will awaken to a new dawn where they alone are interested in the creation of a Palestinian state next to Israel.
This process may take a decade, it may take more, and it may take less. The trend has begun and the longer it takes to reach real permanent status negotiations and agreements, the more viable will become the one-state option in Palestinian public opinion.
Posted by Ted Belman at November 30, 2005 06:24 AM