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Yet another question to the Israeli Left
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khalil zarrouk
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Dear Sir,
Shalom and may The Lord Jesus Christ bless us all. I read your article and seems that you miss one point.The Arab Israelis are they French,Chinese or Japanese or Nigerians. Or they are constitutionally and democratically Israelis.
If they are, I see no reason why not an Arab Israeli one day be the Prime Minister of Israel.
If a Jewish American is one day elected as Presidient of United States of America like what might happen with Ms. Hellary Clinton, I will accept that and respect the election if it is run demoratically.
Let me ask you this question: If Ms Hellary Cliniton wins the US Presidency will you vote for it or against it?
I personaly will vote it more than even an American Jew. It is democracy that you really
missed.
Posted by: khalil zarrouk on November 23, 2005 09:08 AM
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Ted Belman
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Kalil
Arab Israeli have every right to vote as they wish but Jewish Israelis have every right to impose the will of the majority.
Posted by: Ted Belman on November 23, 2005 09:26 AM
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J. Lichty
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Uh, Hillary is not Jewish.
Posted by: J. Lichty on November 23, 2005 02:05 PM
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fred lapides
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Ted: Democacy has this that makes it great: it protects the rights of minorities...thus, if Israeli Jews as a majority vote to disenfranchise and eject Arabs who are Israeli citizens, that would sheer evil. If the "left" asks Israelis to move back from land taken in war, it assumes that that land is part and parcel of some future peace plan between contending forces. But if the "Right" decides to move citizens from their homes within Israel because they are not Jews, then why not also move out Christians etc? This is called ethnic cleansing.
Posted by: fred lapides on November 23, 2005 02:44 PM
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Leonard
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Fred - the Arab population within Israel has multiplied and thrived within the Modern State of Israel. They vote in elections and have representatives within the Israeli Parliament the Knesset. They attend University and Schooling.Many of the Druze and Bedouin serve in the Israeli army. The Jewish populations of countless arab countries including Egypt,Iraq, Syria, Yemen,Algeria, Libia etc have been expelled, Its not only the Jews - the Islamic world doesn't tolerate other faiths. Just look at the plight of the Christians in Sudan,Pakistan etc What has happened to the Jews and Christians in these countries amounts to ethnic cleansing. About a third of the million immigrants to Israel are infact Christian. One in four soldiers who join the IDF are now sworn using the New Testament. It is under the Palestinian Terror Rule where the Christians are most at risk.
Posted by: Leonard on November 23, 2005 05:10 PM
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Zal
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Israeli Left is on a fantasy island. And they are trying to convince the remaining normal people to join them on a magic carpet ride.
Peres...Rabin..Barak...Sharon...all these had thousands of peeeeece "meetings" over the years with arafats, with abu-abases...etc. They have heard thousands and one lies.
When you listen so many times to these lies, the lies turn into facts, truth.
They started to believe that the so called "palies" really want a "state", and when they get this "state", the long waited "peace' will arrive.
Despite all the murders and never ending islamic terrorism, the Left started to believe that Israel is the one who is blocking the peeeeece "process".
So, they are ready to give away more and more and more and more.
They actually brainwashed themself.
Just yesterday I saw these zombies smiling happily on CNN, with Sharon and his associates.
These are young brainless degenerates who are the "future' of the Israel's suicidal politics.
Posted by: Zal on November 23, 2005 11:29 PM
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georg von mecklenburg
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You all are dealing with jews who are so used to cut and run throughout their history, that why do you expect different results today?
The Israeli left will be happiest only when Israel is totally destroyed and disappears from the area. Then and only then with a labour Zionist faction form again and try for a future State of the Jewish People.
Posted by: georg von mecklenburg on November 24, 2005 08:47 AM
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Ted Belman
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Fred
Majorities also have rights. Presently the world suffers from the tyranny of minorities i.e. the Muslim minority in the name of equality.
I am not suggesting in any way that the majority should suppress minorities but they have also have rights. Multiculturalism and equivalence and reletivism don't cut it with me. Muslems should have the equal right to become Americans or Frenchmen.
If the Arabs aren't trusted to join the IDF, why should they be trusted to vote?
"if Israeli Jews as a majority vote to disenfranchise and eject Arabs who are Israeli citizens, that would sheer evil." This is a straw man. No one is suggesting that, certainly not me but I am suggesting that if Israelis won't sign a loyalty oath or breach it, they should be expelled.
Israel has the right to limit the right of return to Jews. Are you suggesting it should be extended to Arabs also.
Posted by: Ted Belman on November 24, 2005 09:31 AM
Yet another question to the Israeli Left
I recently posed a question to the Israeli Left, dealing, in part, with why they are ok with "asking" Jews who live over the Green Line to "relocate" to within the pre-1967 (Auschwitz) borders, but not with "asking" Israeli Arabs to "relocate" outside of Israel (with compensation) in order to deal with the serious demographic dilemma facing the Jewish State.
While I still am awaiting an answer to my original question, I will pose another question to my friends on the Israeli Left (and their supporters) (courtesy of Arutz-7):
It is clear that not only is their opposition both from within and without regarding the right of Israel to build and develop Jewish communities in Judea and Samaria, but now we also have Israeli Arabs (and their elected officials) stating their opposition to the building and expansion of Jewish communities in the Negev and Galil regions (both within Israel's pre-1967 borders).
* Is the Israeli Left, in the name of democracy, willing to allow Israeli Arabs to work towards limiting the development and expansion of Jewish communities within Israel?
* Is the Israeli Left, in the name of democracy, willing to allow the Israeli Arabs, should they unite into a single electoral bloc, to win 24 seats in the upcoming elections (or in the future), and make up the 2nd largest party to sit in the Knesset of the Jewish State?
* Is the Israeli Left, in the name of democracy, prepared to sit quietly and watch the Jewish State destroyed through peaceful, democratic means at the hands of our fellow Israeli citizens, who just happen to be of the Arab persuasion?
If the answer of the Israeli Left is in the affirmative, that they are willing to place Israel existing as a democratic state - a State of its citizens - over Israel existing as a Jewish State, then they will make very good democrats, but very poor Jews.
If, however, the Israeli Left is that they are not willing to allow the Israeli Arabs to destroy Israel, as a Jewish State, through babies and ballots, then what is the solution of the Israeli Left?
Cross Posted at Israel Perspectives
Posted by Ze'ev Orenstein at November 23, 2005 07:55 AM