1. Laura said:

I doubt if anyone down there is aware of this guy's posting to newsgroups. I would have no way of knowing what the owner of a store I go to or even my next door neighbor does in private or online, nor do they know what I do. I think if the people of that communtiy knew about it I'm sure there would be outrage. I think you are being too harsh on the community down there, how are they to know what this guy does when he is on the internet? Have you brought it to their attention at all?

2. Dan Barkye said:

I can only concur w Laura, having had the same very thoughts when reading the article.

BUT, reading the article about the guy in Edmonton, CANADA, who was convicted of hate crime b/c of his antisemitic declarations, I mentioned Alex in the context of treating him the same aproach (not by name, but anyone who reads the newsgr soc.culture.jewish knows whom I talked about; now, I name him), w/o ANY follow-up from any of you, guys.

When posting there, I stated openly that he is an antisemite and that he commits a hate crime, to which he answered (in caps) "ARE YOU THREATENING ME?"
I backed off, I admit, not knowing w whom I have the pleasure to deal, but now I know, and I think that we have to make a petition to the newspaper there and the community, in which we'll explain the issue w this lovable person. a gr address will be mcuh mroe efficient than a personal one, if done in person by any of us.

In parallel, maybe we should consider a collective complaint to Jewish and Nat'l bodies which deal w such things.

3. Mediacrity said:

Laura -- yes, two readers told me that they wrote to the local Jewish community AND newspapers. Nothing.

4. Harry Horowitz said:

Alex's comments were widely distributed in Palm Beach County after the first item ran in Israpundit and the local Jewish and Christian community and media have done NOTHING.

5. Bill Levinson said:

"When posting there, I stated openly that he is an antisemite and that he commits a hate crime, to which he answered (in caps) "ARE YOU THREATENING ME?""

Did he also proclaim himself to be the Great Cornholio and demand TP for his bunghole?

Beavis: Are you threatening me? You will give my T.P. ... bungholio!

Spanish teacher: Beavis.... just what in the hell do you think you are doing?

Beavis: DO NOT MAKE MY BUNGHOLE ANGRY! Do you have any oleo?

Spanish teacher: Get the hell outa my class and go straight to the principal's office. NOW!

Beavis Ummmmmmm.... okay. THE PRINCIPAL.... he will give me T.P.! heh heh I would hate for my bungholio to get polio...

Beavis: Where I come from we have no bunghole... heh heh heh heh

http://www.dcs.elf.stuba.sk/~lalis/cornhol.html

Well, now we know who Alex Seredin/ PeterPan/ Strider/ Amigocabal really is!

6. Laura said:

Well if that's the case then there's no excuse for continuing to ignore this individual's hate speech.

7. Dan Barkye said:

So the q is "Are we going to see it unanswered, as of old, or do something?" Yes, some people informed Palm Beach County and the local Jewish and Christian community w/o response, as expected actually, no surprises here, really.

I am not satisfied w "now we know who Alex Seredin/ PeterPan/ Strider/ Amigocabal really is!", Bill, due respect, really. WE need more.
I just saw (for the 2nd time) the movie "A Gentlemen Agreement", a fiction movie about a journalist who posed as Jew for an authentic true to life series of articles in the 50's and the message there was "Don't be silent, say it and denounce!"
I think that's correct, but in numbers there's power and quality, much more than in one voice. Quantity makes quality!

I think that if we, *as a gr*, extend a formal complaint, accompanied by well chosen excerpts from his pearls, to, for ex., The Anti-Defamation League, or a similar body, or more than one body, there is a chance that something will move.

Let's do it, let's show him, and them all, that we don't take it like sheeps.

There are quite a few in that gr, and others, who behave and talk like him, but he's the most vitriolic. If he is targeted and stopped, then, together w the Edmonton case, maybe something will be driven home in the whole WWW. This will be a real victory in the ongoing war w them.

8. Mediacrity said:

Call, write and email the media -- the Palm Beach Post, Sun-Sentinel and Miami Herlad. All their email addresses are online. Copy me on your emails and responses. If they duck and evade, I'll make it known. mediacrity@hotmail.com

9. Ted Belman said:

I recieved this comment from Alex Seredin owner of Peter Pan
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I am disgusted by your site trashing myself and my business.
My name is Alex Seredin, I own the company which owns Peter Pan Gifts in Delray Beach. The posts on your site accuse me of being an anti semite and encourage someone to do harm to me and my family. Some posts there advocate even murder.

Let me tell you something about myself:
I was born in Yugoslavia, where both of my parents and yours truly took part in the partizan war against the Nazis.One of my uncles Ljubodrag Ljubisavljevic spent 4 years in Sachsenhausen, and my best friend Jarac was executed before my own eyes in Sopot in 1942 I took part in the freeing Belgrade on October 22 1944 at the age of 14. I also served in the military of Australia, which is my adopted country for 8 years, two years with CMF and six years with RAAF. I apreciate both freedom and democracy and am fervently opposed to ALL occupation, torture, unlawful imprisonment and humiliation of the occupied people.No matter where this originates and no matter who the originators are.

I am fervently opposed to the suicide bombings in Israel, and I am opposed to the savagery of Israel's blasting apartments buildings in Gaza city, or murdering an old man in the wheel chair. That does not make me an anti semite. What makes me an anti semite in the eyes of your Zionist friends is the fact that I do not close eyes to the Israeli crimes and condemn only Palestinian suicide bombings.

It is time for you and all Jews to wake up to the fact that you cannot exist in this world dictating the Zionist policies to the whole world. If you think you can. Go ahead! I saw what happened in 1940"s, that was a crime of major proportions, but it also was preceeded by threats intimidation, no different than what your site is doing to me right here..

I am just writing this to warn you that this letter is being filed by the Delray Beach police department, for future reference, and should someone harm my family, myself or my business, there will be hell to pay.

You have no right to publish threats, and neuither do I, And I never did, So desist or you will be sued!

It does not qualify me as an anti semite because I am opposed to the Uzbeki Islam Karimov, Papa Doc Duvalier, Ayatollahs of Iran, and Israeli government.

10. mediacrity said:

No, what qualifies you as a vicious, disgusting anti-Semite are your many years of anti-Semitic rants on the Internet. Nobody other than your own sick, vicious railing against "kikes" and "long noses" would "encourage someone to do harm to me and my family."

Please tell the Delray Beach Police Department that I am terribly sorry that there seem to finally be negative repercussions for all the hate that you have spewed over the Internet over the years, and that I am going into a period of mourning as I contemplate them.

11. Hyman Roth said:

Shhhhhhh! Alex wants us to keep his bigotry a secret. Let's cooperate. OK?

12. Mary Hogan said:

I have had him blocked on the newsgroup for a long long time. And he is only one of many like Bodecia and the ilk of haters. That is where I come from. Every want to find out who I am go to Google groups search. I am a fighter against JFJ at alt.messianic. You can watch my progression from defender of Yeshu to reallization that Yeshu was just another tool of Amalek.

13. Mary Hogan said:

There are great fighters, amazing Jewish fighters who deal with these animals every day, cindys, Susan who is Flavia, and many more.... They are truly amazing. They give 100% every single day.

14. Mediacrity said:

That's great, Mary, but what needs to be done is for Seredin to be exposed within the South Florida community. People down there have to get moving. Write the Jewish community, the newspapers and the churches. Yes, particularly the evangelical churches that always like to say how pro-Jewish they are. Let them throw up picket lines around this guy's store. Hand out leaflets with his rants on them. Pass our brochures at hotels and other tourist businesses.

The people have a right to know the kind of creature they have spewing hate in their midst -- and if he doesn't like it, if he sputters and threatens, then good. It's a sign that the bigot is suffering -- and it is time to work even harder.

15. Mary Hogan said:

Agreed, Media...sorry I guess I've become somewhat complacent with the monsters of usenet. You are absolutely correct, the problem is that the attitude is profuse. My stance is addressing the corruptness of the message, via education. Fight the guy, go for it, I'll put it in my prayers.

16. Mediacrity said:

Well, I'm hoping for more reaction than we've seen in the past from Florida. Maybe Alex here, in his bullying and arrogance, has woken us all up to the problem that he represents -- unanswered bigotry. Thanks, Alex!

17. Mary Hogan said:

Boy am I slow, the Bill Levinson here is a warrior on soc.culture.jewish. Small world.

18. Mediacrity said:

He also runs an outstanding website and is a warrior here against the terrorist water-carriers, as you can see.

19. Bill Levinson said:

Mary, you may find this useful for dealing with the J4Js: http://www.omdurman.org/fences.html and http://www.omdurman.org/leaflets/j_for_j.html

http://groups.google.com/groups?num=10&hl=en&c2coff=1&lr=&as_ft=i&as_qdr=all
&as_dt=i&as_rights=&q=serwad+kike&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=ng is a Google search for "Serwad," one of Alex Seredin's names, and "kike." He also goes by "Strider," as shown here:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&num=10&c2coff=1&q=strider+kike&qt_s=Search

Like I said, he is one of soc.culture.israel's village idiots, with the "Reverend" Terence Fformby-Smythe being the other. This one is unforgettable if a bit off-color. It stated when Fformby-Smythe said that Jewish women were ugly. Ah, here we are:

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&num=10&c2coff=1&q=%22fuck+a+cow%22+fformby&qt_s=Search

[I wrote]
The fact that you [Fformby-Smythe] consider Rachel Weisz unattractive proves that you are a deviant and possibly a zoophile.

[Fforby-Smythe wrote]
Do you have a problem with sexual deviancy and/or bestiality? Are you a zoophobe®?

[I wrote]
Since it constitutes animal abuse, I have a major problem with it, and I don't think it should be legal.

[Terence Fformby-Smythe wrote]
Why do you think it constitutes animal abuse? If you or I tried to
[have sexual relations with] a cow, do you think the cow would even notice? It should not
only be legal but acceptable as a legitimate alternative lifestyle.

The fact is that animals are incapable of giving or refusing consent.
To imagine otherwise is a ridiculous anthropomorphism (look it up,
Levinstein). Do we ask animals for their consent before we kill them
and eat them? By comparison, [having sexual relations with a person] is a minor inconvenience.

I have referred to "Reverend" Fformby-Smythe as "cowpoker" ever since. Now I don't argue with these two because they are worth even the time of day but I sometimes find it entertaining to converse with them as described above, because they are angry and frustrated while I am laughing my head off. Admittedly it's not much higher-class than medieval types tormenting the village idiot but the village idiot couldn't help being what he was so that was wrong. Fformby-Smythe and Seredin are village idiots by CHOICE so a little coarse humor at their expense is certainly in order. The best thing to do is to treat them like willing village idiots and enjoy some good laughs at their expense.

20. James Horton said:

This Alex Seredin sounds like another Islamofuckface asshole dickwad.

He must be upset over losing his job as a guard at Bergen-Belsen.

21. Dan Barkye said:

I repeat my call (post # 2) for a similar and collective action to the one in which the antisemite in Edmonton, Canada, was tried and convicted. W/o this, all our rants ammount to nothing.

22. Mary Hogan said:

This post has slipped into the mire of no integrity garbage that paints the world rotten. It makes me sick. There is only thing worse than antisemitic slime, and that is a human being with no sense of dignity, or integrity.

23. Mary Hogan said:

James Horton, Horribleton

24. Bill Levinson said:

Dan, he is not committing any crime unless he assaults someone because of his/her race, religion, and so on, or encourages someone else to commit an actual crime. He is simply a self-nominated village idiot and should be treated as a (voluntary) freak in a circus sideshow exhibit, sort of like the geek. The geek's act is typically to bite the head off a chicken.

Mary wrote, "There is only thing worse than antisemitic slime, and that is a human being with no sense of dignity, or integrity." Well, Mr. Seredin is apparently both!

25. Dan Barkye said:

Bill, words are not counted as a hate crime? They are and can be counted as incitement, something that can have real life results. What do I miss?

26. Bill Levinson said:

Dan, a generalized statement like "Kill the Jews" (as shouted by the Palestine Solidarity Movement at U Michigan) or "Kill the Negroes" (as chanted at Klan rallies) is not a crime unless the context can be construed as encouragement to attack a specific person or group, or start a riot. In other words, "Kill the Negroes" at a Klan rally at which no Black people are present would probably just be repugnant hate speech but the same chant in or near a Black person's home could be construed as a terroristic threat. I'm not a lawyer but I suspect that the line one must cross is expressing a wish that something will happen to someone, which is no more illegal than wishing that he will be struck by lightning, and taking action to cause something to happen to someone. If his words have the latter effect (or could have the latter effect), then he is probably guilty of a crime.

27. Mediacrity said:

Dan, I don't think the issue is whether Seredin is committing a crime. That is for the lawyers to decide. As far as I know he is doing nothing more than exercising his right to free speech.

All I've been saying is that it's time for everybody else to exercise their right to free speech and disseminate this bigot's opinion's to the South Florida community. I do not believe that confronting him in the newsgroups, as some have done, is sufficient to deal with this individual's constant spewing of hate over the Internet for an extended period of time. His brazenly coming to this blog should spur further action to make an issue of Seredin in Florida. The time has come.

28. Dan Barkye said:

Media: "I do not believe that confronting him in the newsgroups, as some have done, is sufficient to deal with this individual's constant spewing of hate over the Internet for an extended period of time."

This is why I left the gr, b/c he turned it into a dais for antisemitism and its' futile to try to stop him.

BUT, recognized antisemitic stigmatic words, like "kike", "long noses", etc., are considered to be in the range of free speech? This is the question. If not, then I repeat, ad nauseam, and w/o much chance of being listened to, apparently, to deal him the same treatment that the guy in Canada was. I'm interested in the answer to this question.

In addition, I might add my action to those before me who informed the local authorities about him and his antisemitic behavior.

In his appearance here, he didn't touch once on the use of antisemitic words that he is exercizing. He only stressed his pluralistic approach against all types of oppression, so hypocritically of him.

29. Bill Levinson said:

Dan wrote, "recognized antisemitic stigmatic words, like "kike", "long noses", etc., are considered to be in the range of free speech?"

Yes, just like n*gger is, as long as they are not used to incite violence. Of course, those who use "n*gger" and the words you listed are generally considered low-class and the dregs of society, so Mr. Seredin has pretty much classified himself for us and his readers.

30. Mary Hogan said:

The question is, if you are a Jew do you know Derech Eretz?

31. Bill Levinson said:

Mary, I had to look it up but here it is:
http://www.urimpublications.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=UP&Product_Code=Sml&Category_Code=bffb

"“Derech eretz is, in its broadest sense, acting with consideration and kindness to one’s fellow human beings, and in so doing, fulfilling the will of God." Sounds pretty reasonable to me, and Christianity and mainstream Islam share this ideal; now if only we could persuade the Islamofascists to behave that way.

32. Dan Barkye said:

Mary, "Derech Eretz" in plain Hebrew is an expression for "politeness", which otherwise is "nimoos" (like in "boo").

An exact translation of Derech Eretz is "Way of the Land", meaning freely "behave as expected in the land".

Derech Eretz as a way of accepted behavior is contrapuncted to Derech Torah, "Way of the Torah", Torah (teaching, studies, theory) being the law as expounded in the OT.
The full expression is "Derech Eretz or Derech Torah", meaning "If you don't behave as expected by the norms and mores of the land, you'll be prodded to behave as stated in the law".

Now, you asked "The question is, if you are a Jew do you know Derech Eretz?"

Jews are human beings like all others, that is, some are okay, some are not, some are polite, some are not, soem are wise, some are not. That's all. Being a Jew isn't a guarrantee that you're okay, as being a Christian is not either.

Not all Jews are religious, and Israel is a very secular country by mentality and culture, though there is no separation of state and religion.

33. James Horton said:

"James Horton, Horribleton."

I am sorry - did you say something?

There is the story about the Jews who stood up to the Nazis, and made claims about what pieces of crap they were. Other Jews said, "Shush! Don't antagonize them! Don't say such terrible things!"

You sound one of the latter group of Jews.

I am one of the former group. And those Jews survived the camps. The latter ones didn't believe anything bad was happening, even as they were shuffled into the crematoriums.

"There is only thing worse than antisemitic slime, and that is a human being with no sense of dignity, or integrity."

If you don't like what I say, you have every right not to read it. Shame on you for siding with an anti-Semite.