1. daniel said:

In light of the recent kidnaping of European peace activists by the Islamonazis, I can't help but feel anything but contempt for these liberal vermin that are terrorized by those that they wish to support. This might sound cruel, but to me one who actively helps and offers comfort to the most evil subhumans on earth, deserves the divine retribution that is sent their way via the very scum that they intend to harbor.

2. Jesse Jacksoff said:

Why would anyone be surprised that the savages that don't mind sacrificing their own offspring just to score some propaganda points (Mohammed al Dura?) would even think twice about shoving one of their pet useful idiots under a bulldozer, for the same reason? The savages have their own system of "moral values", and don't think that cold-blooded murder is immoral if it serves their cause. Neither is lying.

3. Rajiv Singh said:

Let them all be Rachel Corries. i agree with Daniel above.

4. ShyGuy said:

I would like to coin a new word for the art of positioning one's self in a bulldozer driver's forward blindspot:

co·rrie·og·ra·phy

:D

5. paulklein said:

Shy Guy....you are soooooclever with the neologisms....btw,can you give me an OK to user it???? corrieography.......I love it....mazel tov,and fairest felicitations pk

6. Bill Levinson said:

All pancake jokes aside, the important thing to point out is that THE ISM MAY WELL HAVE SET RACHEL CORRIE UP TO BE KILLED SO IT COULD MAKE PROPAGANDA. The idea of an organization winning an idealistic young person's trust and then getting her killed should be repulsive to everyone involved. Please spread this evidence as widely as possible.

7. John said:

There was an attempt to kidnap Rachel Corrie's parents this morning. I wonder how long it will take them to blame Israel.

8. ShyGuy said:

Paul, use it in good health.

9. mike said:

you zionists are sick pups.....manipulators, liars, thieves and murderers. If your truths were ever published the world would be shocked and would look at you as another bunch of Nazis

10. milkshake said:

How pathetic can you get? One thing I used to like about conservatives was that they didn't have the same ridiculous conspiracy theories that seem to plague the left.

11. Bill Levinson said:

John, I thought you were joking but you are right! http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L04163096.htm

Mike, why are Zionists "sick pups" when the ISM sets up its own people to be killed? THAT is pretty damned sick and I intend to get justice for Rachel Corrie by destroying the ISM and hopefully getting those responsible for her death sent to prison or Guantanimo, where they belong.

12. Bill Levinson said:

Just to clarify #11, "destroying the ISM" = by legal and nonviolent methods such as exposing them for the terrorist sympathizers they are, getting the tax exemptions of their supporting organizations revoked-- complaints have been filed with the IRS against two of them-- and bringing any potentially illegal activities to the attention of law enforcement and/or Homeland Security.

13. Drew said:

Please lend your voice to exposing the ISM for what it is: http://netwmd.com/anti-ism/

14. Al said:

I believe Rachel Corrie was set-up as much as I believe Israel knew 9/11 was going to happen and did not warn the US. The issue is the occupation that you want to avoid discussing.

What I do believe is that the secrets stolen by Jonathan Pollard from the US ended-up in the hands of the Soviet Union. Why do you think Casper Weinberger demanded Pollard get life in prison? What other country in the world could get away with spying on the US and trading those secrets to the Soviets during the cold war? What other country is caught spying on the US on more than one ocassion and still gets billions of dollars a year from the US?

15. Bill Levinson said:

Al, no one here is defending Pollard. If he spied on my country, even on behalf of an ally, he should go to jail. But ISM's OWN DIRECTOR said, "the recruitment of American student volunteers is useful to the Palestinian Movement because "if some of these foreign volunteers get shot or even killed, then the international media will sit up and take notice."" He has openly admitted motive and perhaps more than motive, and in conjunction with all the other evidence I cited, it looks very damning.

16. kuhnkat said:

mike, al, and milkshake,

you really need to look at the videos of her getting rolled. Either she decided to commit suicide or got help. Either way trying to blame it on an Israeli trying to wipe out gun smuggling to save his family and friends is SICK!!

For some other examples of so-called Palestinians making propaganda films take a look at these:

http://seconddraft.org/movies.php

And this article about another filmakers work debunking the Islamofascists work:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39349

17. kuhnkat said:

mike, al, and milkshake,

why did the morons watching not run up to the Cat driver and tell him she was getting crushed instead of taking pictures?????

Go out and watch how fast a dozer moves when it has that much earth on the blade. A small child can outwalk it. I know, my dad was a catskinner (heavy equipment operator) and my brother and I played around them. They run about 2 mph. When I first heard about the incident I initially thought she wanted to commit suicide. If you are conscious and somewhat mobile you CAN'T be run over!!! You HAVE TO PUT YOURSELF IN THE DANGER AREA!!!

The view from the seat isn't good either. Hunt around and find a Caterpillar D-8 or larger to crawl up on and check!!

18. Bill Levinson said:

"Why did the morons watching not run up to the Cat driver and tell him she was getting crushed instead of taking pictures?????"

Because it was far more important to get pictures of Rachel being killed than it was to keep her alive. That is obvious from ISM's own statements.

19. Ayatollah Ghilmeini said:

Hey Mike- just exactly what "truths" are you talking about.

I am something of a scholar on the Jewish world and people.

I am a Zionist.

I am zionist because of people like you. The reason there needs to be an Israel is people like you.

No nation is perfect. Israel has done a few things to survive that are not badges of pride. On the other hand, when people accuse Jews and Israel (there is no difference given your dark intentions) or murder and other litany of imagined crimes, I know there is no reasoning with you. Whatever you imagine Israel to have done never happened; you join Hitler and the Palestinians who prayed daily for his success and supported him, at the margins of truth. So go hate and lie away. The truth is the existence and reality of the Jewish people. If G-d didn't want us to survive we wouldn't be here.

So I own a gun, love my country, have never committed a crime and support Israel with a joyous heart and everything I have. I spit on circumdefecated subintellects like you.

20. mike said:

Hey ayatoilet, do us a favor and use that gun on yourself. I've spent my life trying to read between the biased lines of bs that I've been fed since childhood by zionist owned media. It is common knowledge that the media runs this country by manipulating public opinion.
By researching alternate media outlets I gather what I consider a fair idea of what the truth is, and trust me, the alternate media outlets cast a complete different light on subjects that are portrayed on the 5:00 news here in the U.S. I can only assume the truth lies somewhere in the middle and from there is where I gather my opinions.
My opinion is that Israel is the most socially oppresive country on the planet [to non jews] Has a total disregard for international laws regarding human rights and torture, blatently steals technology from other countries, has some of the most polluted waters in the world and costs me personally in added taxes to support it's illeagal existance.
You know you loud mouthed assholes are gonna eventually piss every one off and when the masses wake up to your coniving bullshit there will be hell to pay....So come on back with your derogatory retort, I expect it. Get it all out....But one day people will start asking what those demonic Arabs are so pissed off for in the first place and folks will start looking funny at guys like you!

21. Ayatollah Ghilmeini said:

Israel was lawfully founded and serves are reparation for 2000 years of your thinking.

You are right about one thing, she could do a better job on environmental affairs and I am sure she would if your friends in Iran, Hamas and Hezbollah weren't planning genocidal destruction against her. As for her human rights record, I know Israel far better than you or your "independent" sources do. I stand by truth and reality and never doubt America's ability to distinguish right from wrong and truth from fiction. Jews only ask to be treated like everyone else, but we won't roll over and be murdered either.

About your "independent" sources- do they blame Israel for 9-11? Deny the holocaust? Claim Israel has committed genocide against the Palestinians (I always love this accusation, somehow under Jewish perpetrated genocide, the Palestinian population increases)? Do your independent sources ever show pictures of Hezbollah and Hamas terrorists doing the Hitler salute? Please tell me more I am dying to learn more about your pathology.

22. Bill Levinson said:

Mike wrote, "My opinion is that Israel is the most socially oppresive country on the planet [to non jews] Has a total disregard for international laws regarding human rights and torture, blatently steals technology from other countries, has some of the most polluted waters in the world and costs me personally in added taxes to support it's illeagal existance."

If you really believe that, try the following experiment. Take a Bible and some Chick Publications tracts to Israel and tell the people that Jesus loves them and wants them to accept him as their Lord and Savior (without actually shoving the tracts in people's faces or otherwise harassing them). Then go to Saudi Arabia or Iran and do the same thing. After (and if) you get back, let us know if you still think Israel is "the most socially oppressive country on the planet."

23. kuhnkat said:

Mike,

are you just stupid or are you just a useful idiot???

Try using some of your burgeoning intellect and research the ownership of the media and holding companies.

It ain't Zionist and it ain't Jewish. They are mostly of the same leftie idiocy as you are. Of course, they know better and just feed it to you right up your brain stem!!! Bend over so they can give you another dose!!!

Like Mr. Gore who hates oil and engines and who refuses to sell the families shares in Occidental Petroleum (given to his daddy by Armand Hammer the Billionaire Soviet Agent and all around wonderful Lefty), they tell you what they want you to do, but, do other themselves.

How does it feel to let people like that do your thinking for you?? Kinda like rape I hear. You must really enjoy it the way you support it!!

24. kuhnkat said:

Oh, and Mike,

Those demonic Arabs as you appropriately call them, are pissed off about something that happened ove 2000 years ago!! And they just CAN'T LET IT GO!!!!! Their PRIDE WON'T LET THEM.

Kinda like you you MORON. You will never admit that you have been lied to and taken in like a stupid little virgin!!!

25. mike said:

it is obvious that you people are completely self absorbed and could never see the forest for the trees in regard to what Israel is really perpetrating to the world. I am not an anti semitic person. I have had and will always have Jewish friends and mentors. What I am is a realist who regards all religions as ancient hogwash to appease and control the masses. It makes me laugh at the audacity of a people such as the zionists who lay claim to a land that has been occupied by others for 2000 years, solely on the writings from ancient texts that were generated by a select few who were out to support their own agendas.
As far as radical Arabs are concerened, I have no love for them or support in anyway their actions in the world today. But I do understand why they are pissed off.
I do not deny the holocost rather I think the numbers are inflated, but regardless, one human life lost is too many.
I am an American and if you study our countrys founding you will see that our first president was begged to take the job and one of his most profound doctrines was neutrality within the world community and that he often stated that to ally oneself with another is to aquire their enemies as well..
By our support of Israel we have taken on her many enemies as well. I say let Israel support herself and that we should have no public funds allocated to support her continuing illeagal annexations, humanitarian violations and cache of true weapons of mass destruction, namely hundreds of nuclear war heads.

26. mike said:

oh and kuhnhat, try writing when your more sober

27. Ayatollah Ghilmeini said:

Mike has Jewish "friends" and "mentors" yet he adopts as his personal agenda the very points of Israel's enemies, the raddical Arabs he claims no love for:

Israel's Nukes- never mind the justification for them, Mike opposes them, Arabs demand they go too.

Holocaust Denial- I accused Mike in my post above of Holocaust denial, Mike says the figures are "inflated." The lowest reputable number is 5.2 million, the six million figure is general accepted, what is your estimate of the inflation, Mike?

The claims of others to Israel- Mike says the land that is Israel was occupied for 2000 years by others, what he does not acknowledge is that Jews were always there. However many that could be there were there. So this brings the question to which of the former occupiers he feels feels entitled to the land over the claim of the Jewish people:
the Romans, the Caliphates, the Crusaders, the Mamluks, the Ottomans- they all don't exist. The Jewish claim to the land is legitimate and predates every known nation of this earth.

Judaism and Zionism- Zionism comes in to flavors, religious and secular, the latter movement is 120 years old, the former dates back to the beginning. Mike ascribes Zionism to ancient texts created by the "select few." The Torah has been at the center of Jewish life in its unchanged format for 2500 years, the written form of the Rabbinic teachings on Israel date to the second century CE. Say what you will about the Jewish faith, the stipulated connection of Israel is unique and powerful enough to have kept the Jewish people together through 1900 years of diaspora and return us to the land of our fathers despite the holocaust that you claim had inflated figures and of which I am sure you have never shared your thoughts on the subject with your "Jewish friends."

It is never illegal to take back that which was yours. Whatever imagined outrages you think Israel has perpetrated, any rational person can see she has always tried to minimize enemy casualties and suffering in her self defense over the years.

American Neutrality- In the past Israel supported US efforts to contain Soviet influence. In the modern era Israel fights with America against the new foe. You never mention the stated goal of Islamists: the destruction of the US and the imposition of a global Caliphate. Qutb, the great Islamist writer of the past century began calling for the US destruction in the 1950s. In the 30s and 40s the Arabs prayed for Hitler's well being and sent him soldiers and supported his efforts. Naturally the Arabs were allied with Germany in WWI too. After the WWII senior Nazi war criminals found safe haven in the Arab lands. You are a real patriot supporting the people who have always hated the US and never been on our side. Finally, in case you have not noted, as the predominant power in the world the US has used its relationship to ask Israel to do things to advance US policy that has
risked Israeli and existance. The US ordered Israel out of the Sinai in '56, told Israel not to strike first in '73, pull back form Lebanon in '78 and '82. Israel ceded the strategic depth of Sinai at Camp David and agreed to recognize the PLO- each of these decisions advanced US policy at the cost of Israeli lives. An ally like that is invaluable in a politically unstable region in which the US has vast strategic national interests.

28. mike said:

yes I agree. History shows us that many many people have occupied Palestine. I do not believe that one single group has the right to lay claim to what others consider holy in their own rights, which to me appears to be the source of all this conflict.
Personally I could give a rat's ass because I do not believe in organized religions and wish that the whole issue would just resolve itself but knowing what I know about the nature of the parties involved I can forsee another 2000 years of conflict.
What pisses me off is the way I am labeled as a nazi for raising questions about the legality of Israels methods of expansion and automatically defined as leftist or a rightist or a palestinian sympathizer. I am an american taxpayer, consultant, artist and father.

29. Ayatollah Ghilmeini said:

Mike, 1/3 of the Jewish world was wiped in the holocaust. When you make statements that it was inflated, your only explanations are martians removed 3 million polish jews on a space ship or getting labeled as a holocaust denier.

As for the legality of how Israel came into being. That is cut and dry. It was legal and the Arabs have been trying to destroy it ever since. How Israel expanded its borders was through a defensive war. That is legal too. Every Jew in Jerusalem got booted in 1948, Jews will not and never will cede our interests in the city.

The Palestinians did get a raw deal but they are also responsible for much of their own misery. The Palestinians who did not take up arms against Israel were not displaced; the Palestinians have been offered a number of deals over the years that would have given them a home and a chance to build their lives. What is also unquestionable is the 650,000 Jews booted out of the Arab world from 1948-54. Roughly the same number of Palestinians were displaced, never did the Arab world offer to settle the Palestinians.

Anyone telling you Israel is perfect and has never done anything wrong, is not telling you the truth. But most of what Israel is accused of doing, she did not do. When you read Arab versions of modern history, their facts and characterizations are diametrically different than pro-Israel supporters'. Only one can be right.

If Israel's intentions were anything her opponents say they are, she never would have ever given up lands she conquered in war, yet she has done so several times. Any fair look at Arab propaganda against Israel will conclude that Arab and Palestinian media and textbooks are uncompromising in calling for the end of Israel. Is that really something to remotely support?

30. Al said:

Bill,

Please read this:

November 2001

Four Views on U.S. Foreign Policy

An American Journalist

A Call for the U.S. to Be Fair To Palestinians

By Derrick Z. Jackson

IN REACTING to the attack on the United States, Ehud Sprinzak, a widely quoted Israeli terrorism expert at Hebrew University in Jerusalem, said, “Many of us feel vindicated by this.” He said the pictures “are better than a thousand ambassadors trying to explain how dangerous Islamic terror is.”

Sprinzak said, “From the perspective of Jews, it is the most important public relations act ever committed in our favor.”

That was a smug and brazen display of self-assuredness. Sprinzak assumes that the attacks will allow Israel to become the most innocent lamb in the Middle East. ///////////

Now, Bill, I do not think Israel set-up 9/11 to get more sympathy from the American, but Israel has exploited 9/11 for its own purposes. "We fight terrorists, too," was the mantra from Israeli leaders.

I don't hate anyone, but I do not have to like the Israeli government nor the stupid idea of creating a Jewish state in the middle of the Arab-Muslim world. Get behind the greenline and stay there NOW!!!