1. a said:

Unfortunately, it looks like the PSM will in fact be holding its conference at Georgetown:

http://explore.georgetown.edu/documents/?DocumentID=12105

2. The Troll said:

OFF TOPIC but a story if true that you need to see I got it off of UPI

http://thecitytroll.blogspot.com/2006/01/tehran-plans-nuclear-weapon-test-by.html

3. Dan Barkye said:

Bill, in the light of the huge Saudi donation to this Univ, do you really think that it will cancel the conference? You can be sure that the donation was conditioned and tied to some promises on the part of this Univ.

I wish to God that it will be cancelled. In the meantime, we can try and do some damage control.

I received your paper on the issue and I intend to inform the local Jewish Fed, and to ask them in the light of the info contained, to contact GU and ask for the cancelation of teh conference. I can't, and don't, promise anything.

I call on anyone here to ask Bill to send to them this paper that he prepared, and to send it to their local Jewish leaders, after informing them about the issue, asking them to do something w it.

4. Bill Levinson said:

Dan, I have sent the fact sheet to the University Directors (Trustees). Hopefully at least some of the Directors will agree that this event is not in GU's best interests. We have a group that advocates and facilitates terrorism, and whose leaders are on record as advocating terrorism. It is just as bad as the Ku Klux Klan and I do not think GU would allow a student group to invite the KKK to campus (even if the KKK agreed not to lynch anyone or burn crosses in areas off limits to fire).

5. Dan Barkye said:

From your mouth to God's ears, as we say in Hebrew, but for heavens sake, why don't you, and Ted, and others, join me in my call to action in general, and in this issue in particular? Yes, beside ZOA, beside any other gr, as a gr of our own joining all the other which act already? Will another voice do any damge? Of course not.

You acted and blessed be for that, but I call for a gr action. If your action vs GU would have been supported by the gr here, it would have had a much bigger impact, don't you think? Unless I miss something of which I'm not cognizant.

I'm sure that as GU knows that you're from IsraPundit, and that this body is not behind you in action (again, from what I see) beyond publishing your articles and info, it allows itself a lesser degree of being influenced by you.

I would be happy to see you calling the others to join you in an organized action, and Ted to join you in this call. All you have to do is to publish a petition to be signed, that's all. From where we are, and legally, more than that we cannot do. In addition, ask all the others to forward your paper to their local Jewish agencies w the request to act on it. All this w/o delay, b/c the time of the conference is near.

6. Shelley said:

Dan, perhaps you could draw up a blueprint for this group and post it here or under another topic for discussion?

7. Shelley said:

Bill, perhaps you should start a divestment campaign of your own against universities, colleges and churches that provide material support to radical groups that advocate divestment from Israel?

8. Bright Eyes said:

Great idea Shelley! We refuse to give our children an education until universities support Israeli apartheid. VERY PRODUCTIVE!

9. Steve said:

In what way exactly is the situation in Israel Apartheid?

I'm South African and Apartheid is when a minority oppresses a legitimate majority through imposition of racist laws.

It makes me sick that the word rolls off uneducated tongues.

Steve

10. Shelley said:

Bright Eyes, yes very productive indeed for universtities that refuse to accomodate the demonizing of Israel.

11. Dan Barkye said:

Shelley said:

"Dan, perhaps you could draw up a blueprint for this group and post it here or under another topic for discussion? "

I did so in "US hidden goals" in quite a detailed way, in two or three posts. I did so in a less detailed manner in other posts, but no response whatsoever. You're the first to react and positively so. I'm quite surprised, frankly.

12. Dan Barkye said:

Bright Eyes said:

"Great idea Shelley! We refuse to give our children an education until universities support Israeli apartheid"

Explain your utterly illogical expression. But in a more logical way than the expression witnesses about you.

How is Isr an apartheid state? You enjoy throwing firweworks in the air? I imagine so, but maybe it would be better if you stop a moment to think twice before you open your mouth and out go stupid, unsupported expressions.

13. t said:

Shelly, unless u were being tottaly sarcastic u aren t worth talking to.

14. Dan Barkye said:

Yes, t, Shelley's right. Univ's can be divested, too. Just buy some guts and act, that's all that is required. There are plenty of univ's to attend, not only the ones that are against Isr doing it b/c of what looks as pure and simple bribery.

Shelley, if you want to join me in what I propose, pls ask Bill to send you the paper that he prepared and send it to your local Jewish Fed or official body, explaining to them first what is it about and ask them to act, by telling the UG that they do not approve the unacceptable situation in which they host a terrorist gr.

All we can do is to bring the horse to the water hole, but we cannot force it to drink. At least we did something.

15. Shelley said:

Bright Eyes, you presume that Israel is an apartheid state. I do not. Also, by not supporting conferences hosted by groups like the PSM, which Bill has exposed as extremist, does not therefor mean that the University supports "apartheid".

t, I was not being sarcastic. However, perhaps "boycott" would be a better word. Students pay tuition, alumni help support Universities with endowments, some of them very wealthy. Perhaps some could be persuaded not to attend or support Universities that host events of this nature. Palestinians and their supporters are using the identical tactics to damage Israel and some of our public institutions are enabling them by providing respectable cover for their nasty agendas. What's good for the goose, is good for the gander, isn't it? It seems to me it's exactly the sort of thing that Jewish communities and their supporters must do to fight back against all the hate directed at Israel.

Dan, I will ask Bill to send me the paper he prepared. I live in Canada so the local Jewish communities may not have an interest in what is occuring at UG. However, I am sure they would be interested in all of the research that Bill has done about the PSM. In fact, there is probably a PSM group in Vancouver, not far far from where I live.

I will have to reread that thread where your proposals are. Maybe you could convince Ted to start a topic about your action plan?

16. Dan Barkye said:

Shelley, I am very glad of the interest you show in my initiative. I tried to interest any and all here but I'm sorry to report that so far I had no success, to my dismay. You are the first that responds to this, as you can see.

Immediately, beside the contact w my local Jewish Fed yesterday in which I forwarded to them the Bill's doc, I plan to send a fax to the president of GU. In parallel, I'll post the content in a relevant article that Bill posted.

If somehow you (and anyone else that wishes so) want to continue the exchange, you can contact me at "dbjesatyahoodotcom".

In short, what I propose is a brainstorm to find ways to bring home our message, to try to divert the outright deceiving Pal prop.

At the center of my ideas is the endless, ad nauseam, repetition of the factual and truthful argument that it is our (the Jews) undeniable historical right to claim this land as our ancestral place. This, together w various direct conclusions that stem from it in our favor.

I posted some messages here in which I articulated these things in various ways, depending on the subject of the article in which it was posted and on the audience.
(I must mention that after my messages, I see here more and more posts that say in various versions what I said).

This argument HAS to be separated from the treatment that the Pals get from the Isr's, be it factual or not. The Jewish historical right for the land of Israel has NOTHING to do w this treatment. People confuse between the two to the pt that they castigate the Jews and the Isr's in a package deal, historical right or not. This is why you see all this solidarity bull.

What is hard to do is to disentangle the web of lies and deceit spread by the Arabs/Muslims/Pals re this sub, b/c it already stroke roots that caught w many, esp young people who don't have a clue about history and geography. All you have to do w them is tell them how "pitiful" is the Pal situation and they hop on the wagon.
The deceipt goes as far as to find a statement on a web Pal site that states "First in history, first in history" or something similar. This only tells you how potent is the argument, to the pt that they must contend w it and not just throw it behind their back, ignoring it.

17. Dan Barkye said:

Correction to the above: "First in geography, first in history"

18. flanx said:

That is good to know. I thought I shot her mother with rays a billion years ago.
What a frame up! To think I was about to hand $100,000 to them for an audit.
Whew!