1. Phyllis said:

Bill= Pablo Christiani
Nadeem= Nachmanides

2. Dan Barkye said:

I don't know who is Phyllis, and maybe I miss something here, but her assignment of personages is outlandish. Maybe you confused between the two, Phyllis?

To the issue at hand. W them one doesn't converse, simply b/c they see it for what it is, a validation of their notions. A debate w them is a free giveaway of a stage from which they can spit, spew, shoot, their lies, outrightlies, and they know that this is so, b/c they are Machiavelistic par excellence, w/o shame and second thought, w/o blinking.

Bill, the only remedy for their acts and behavior is ignoring it, and acting on our behalf constantly. Simple! Not less and not more! I'm not extremist here, I'm utterly practical. Here, acting would be the letter to the U of G authorities. Let him bark, unless it reaches a pt of real personal damage.

3. Nadeem Muaddi said:

Bill Levinson,

First and foremost, to state that I thought your posting and letter were “unfair” would make it seem as if I were complaining. On the contrary, I stated that your actions were “not only morally reprehensible, but illegal”. Please do not try to diminish the severity of your crime – libel – by dismissing this subject as a conversational dispute among peers. I do not know you. I have never heard of you until recently. And I do not care to forge any sort of relationship (kind or unkind) with you.

Secondly, your interpretation of my use of the word “martyr” is purposely perverted. Although I am quite clear in how I use the term, you insist on deceiving your audience into believing that my interpretation of the word involves anything other than living in accordance with the principle of non-violence. No elementary school student would face such difficulty in comprehending the points made in my book review (“A Call for Christian Martyrdom”). However, interestingly enough you do. Therefore, in the interest of your mental incapacity to comprehend simple sentence structures, allow me to dumb down a few of the quotes you pointed out…

Quote 1: “…martyria is about life – not death. However, it is about living fully in such a way that death is the outcome.”

For you little Billy: To become a martyr, like those in the Bible, you have to be nice. Being “nice” means that you don’t hurt other people or yourself. Unfortunately, everyone dies. But please don’t cry, because if you live life like the “nice” boy that you’re supposed to be, then you’ll go to heaven. Heaven is where Jesus is! He’s the absolute bestest in the whole wide world!

Quote 2: “Indeed, to become a true martyr, one must contribute equally to ‘witnessing in word, witnessing in deed, and exposing oneself to danger, whatever the cost’. If this ‘cost’ so happens to be death, then one will have become a martyr.”

For you little Billy: When I was a kid, my friend Julie’s dad was a fireman. He was cool! He always talked about helping people. He said that was the only right thing to do! In fact, that’s why he decided to ride in a big red fire truck and save people. But then a bad thing happened. One day at work he got a call that someone’s house was on fire. So he slid down the pole, put on his bright yellow uniform, jumped in his truck, turned on the sirens and zoomed right on over there. At the scene they told him there was a baby girl stuck inside. Despite the fire, he ran in the house to save her. He got her out, but sadly he died of burns. Grandmommy says that now he’s in heaven with God. That’s because he’s a martyr!

Quote 3: ...it’s about time more Christians step forward and offer themselves up as martyrs for a true and just resolution to the Palestinian Issue.”

For you little Billy: Father Joseph says that we have to help all people in need. You know it’s a big world? There’s a lot of kids your age suffering! In fact, today I heard on the news that Palestinian kids in the Holy Land live in refugee camps. Isn’t that sad? But don’t worry – you can help them! Do you know how? Guess! Come on guess! Ok, I’ll tell you… you can grow up to be a doctor, or a fireman, or an ambulance driver, or even president of the United States of America! It doesn’t matter what you become, as long as you live your life like a “nice” boy and use your talents to help them through their hard times! Hey, I’m hungry. You want a lollipop?

Thirdly, the Palestine Solidarity Movement (PSM) is neither Al-Awda nor the International Solidarity Movement (ISM). These are three separate organizations/movements. Your insistence on referring to the upcoming PSM conference at Georgetown University as an ISM conference is evidence of either (1) your complete ignorance of national/international Palestine solidarity work, or (2) an abhorrent attempt to conflate the actions of these organizations for the purpose of generalizing your grievances and imposing them on all activists sympathizing with the Palestinian issue.

Fourthly, your statement that “the current nature of the Palestinian ‘resistance,’ …consists almost exclusively of terroristic violence against civilians…” holds no legitimacy without a credible source evidencing such exclusivity. A simple Google search (www.google.com in case you don’t know) can provide you with an overwhelming number of examples of how Palestinians have employed peaceful tactics of resistance (like boycott & divestment) in order to counter Israel’s discriminatory and violent policies toward the Palestinian people.

In regards to your “challenge”: Thus far you have patronized both Georgetown University’s administration/faculty and all of Israpundit’s readers with your absurd contortions of my statements. Unfortunately for yourself, in the process of doing so you have also publicly portrayed yourself as a dim radical of both low moral principle and intellectual capacity. In fact, your “challenge” to debate me on a completely separate issue than that of which we have been discussing all along only evidences the fact that your initial comments about myself and my book review hold no merit. As a Christian Palestinian myself, I would love for the opportunity to debate you on the subject matter of your imagined circumstance of “the Palestinian Authority’s brutal oppression of Christians…” and whatever other topics you so choose to raise. However, because my time is valuable and I would much rather spend it working proactively to raise awareness about Israel’s state sanctioned and institutionalized system of apartheid against the Palestinian people, I must impose one (3 part) condition – that you research, understand, and publish a true account of what the Palestine Solidarity Movement’s history is and why it has chosen to utilize the non-violent strategy of divestment. This will no doubt be difficult for a man who believes that both the PSM and ISM are the same organization. Nevertheless, you can understand why I would not want to waste my time debating a person who is only able to “refute” my claims with all different sorts of lies and imaginative tales.

Until then, this will be my final posting and last contact with you. Feel free to forward your article to Nadeem_Muaddi@Yahoo.com. I look forward to reading it, and then subsequently humiliating you on air.

4. Tom Hyatt said:

Instead of insulting the man and threatening him, why not respond factually? This isn't a classroom in Georgetown and you are not lecturing pimply adolescents. A condescending lecture just makes you look like the jerk that you are.

5. Nannette said:

Nadeem, your responses to Bill's very valid points are pompous and childish.

If trying to twist Bill's words, which in fact are your own, is the very best that you can do, then you're failing miserably. Any intelligent person can see what you have said about martyrdom, which, by the way, is only encouraged in Islamic society.

You're encouraging Christians to die for an Islamist cause. Why?

Christians are persecuted in Islamic countries because they're infidel, kuffar - and have to pay jizya taxes to support the Muslim population - why on earth should Christians support such delusional people who think they're so vastly superior?

And yet, the one thing that comes across in the so-called Palestinian, or any other Muslim issue, is that they ALWAYS apportion blame to everyone other than themselves.

Until recognising the truth for what it is, and owning up to such things as admitting the Arab states were to blame for the so-called Palestinian "refugee" situation and that the majority of Muslims have been slaughtered by other Muslims, as in Africa, the middle east and Asia, then your argument is invalid.

Did you ever acknowledge the persecution of Jews from Arab countries (resulting in 900,000 Jewish refugees), or that there has been a continuous Jewish presence in Israel for more than 3500 years (long before Islam conquered the middle east)? Or even that Jews were buying much of the land which is now Israel, from the Arabs, way back in the late 1700's?

Did you even bother to mention the long time persecution of Jews in the middle east, which is why there are so few left, except in Israel?

One thing you have to face up to is that the Palestinians, CREATED 1967, although most of the West Bank still held Jordanian passports until 1988, never rose up against the Jordanian occupation, nor the occupants of Gaza who never rose up against the Egyptians - HAVE CONTRIBUTED NOTHING TO THE WORLD EXCEPT FOR TERRORISM!

Have you addressed the dwindling Christian population of the West Bank and Gaza, as well as the surrounding Arab countries?

Why not just own up and admit that Islam is an expansionist religion, it wants the whole of the middle east, has taken most of Africa by brute force and genocide, and is now on the rampage in the west.

WE DON'T WANT ANOTHER MUSLIM CONQUEST OF EUROPE, NOR ONE OF AMERICA. If you and your ilk continue trying to propagate your insidious lies on us, one day there will be a massive backlash and political correctness will go right out of the window, because we're fed up with having to bend over backwards for "Muslim rights", when Islam is the most intolerant, barbaric, political ideology, hiding behind a religion - and no shariah state will ever entertain the rights of Christians, Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists or Zoroastrians.

Instead of staying in America espousing your hatred, go to the West Bank and Gaza and fight your corner from there, become a martyr, along with some of the brainwashed dhimmis in the ISM which, by the way SUPPORTS the murder of Jews and also wants ALL the land of Israel. There's been enough exposés on the ISM to completely refute your pathetic attempt at whitwashing the truth.

The only way that western world should deal with propagandists and exponents of martyrdom, is the same way the Chinese have dealt with Muslim Uighur unrest and propaganda.

6. Dan Barkye said:

Nadeem, I'm almost sure you don't read this, but I count on your basic curiosity to do it. So let me ask some basic q's. Thank you, my sinister and deluded foe.

You really have got some nerves, you know, to come here and spit machine-gun-like your take on the issue, which is at best, a very reduced and slanted angle of it, a usual Arab/Pal crocodile style tear shedding.

You are like the cossack of old, who hits and then cries "It hurts, mommy!" But, finally, I cna talk to an intelligent and learnt person, so I'll do just that in some more advanced terms.

You dare deny the Pal persecution of Christians in the territories that they live in after they stole them from the exiled Jews? Now, this is a fact, this stealing, a fact that no ammount of time can erase, that we own this land, that we never renounced it, and that everyone knew it, and so, you, by coming there, committed a felony knowingly!! Knowingly, my poor bewildered intelectual, KNOWINGLY, and this is unacceptable, b/c now you have the balls to tell us that you're the landowner. Huh!! You crack me up, I so laugh at this enormity.

By implication, you dare deny the persecution of the Christians in Pal terr to the pt that many choose to leave Betlehem?

By implication, you dare deny the persecution of the Christians and the Animists in S Sudan?

By implication, you dare deny the persecution of the Christians and the Assirians in Iraq , now? The destruction of their cultural treasures and legacies, as books and other relics, thousand of yrs old, as you do in the Pal Auth Terr in Isr, by destructing archeological relics wantonly and purposefully, as in the Temple Mt and other places?

You dare deny the outright lies and fabrications that your brothers do in Pal re Isr, like frex the olive trees pruned and then presented as cut on purpose by the settlers?

You dare deny the fact that ALL the Pal orgs are only another facet of one body, the ugly, barbarous, bloodthirsty, criminal to the extreme, disrespectful to any basic human value, Pal terror body politic and military?

Do you deny the fact that yours is a very restricted view of the world by default, b/c of your ties to the Islam Fundies? Now, don't tell me you don't know them.

You dare deny all that? If yes, let us hear it, let us read it here and elsewhere, clear and loud, and then we'll see who has the last laugh on whom.

I am disgusted that I need to say such things to you, such obvious facts to a modern human being who claims some measure of intelectual elevation.

Go sell your merchandize to someone else, to some young bewildered kids who don't know any better, who are not able to discern right from wrong b/c of some fancy slogans unconnected to reality but very much to the fascist-left prop.

Go! Go!

7. Aryeh said:

This, my friends, is very comical! While ruthless in his response, Muddi's comments about Levinson are still well deserved. I have finished reading the Ramallah web article yet found not anything stating his support for terror. What he does is restate the author's (Younan) main points which, by the way, stem from a solely theological standpoint.

Nannette's comments are crossing the boundry lines of racism. For those who are yet to read, see http://www.ramallahonline.com/modules.php?name=News&new_topic=86

We are Israeli but we can not forget we are Jews first. We should not lie. This is not very Jewish.

8. Deena Nasr said:

I have responses to a couple comments so I will address each specific section to that person:
-Bill:
1. If a specific word carry's a particular type of misplaced connotation it is only further promoting that mis-use to coincide with it. For example, when people use the title 'secretary' typically one thinks of a woman, however, this is not correct and is why the new title of 'administrative assistant' has been put in place. So if you think 'violence' and 'suicide bombing' when you hear the word "martyr," well that’s your own issue to get over. According to dictionary.com a "martyr" is: 1. one who chooses to suffer death rather than renounce religious principles (obviously not what Nadeem was referring to) and 2. One who makes great sacrifices or suffers much in order to further a belief, cause or principle. (Obviously what Nadeem was referring to, please note that there is nothing in either definition that says suicide bombing.)
2. You mention that "You are, in fact, actually on record as saying the opposite," however, if you read Nadeem's statement you will see that he did not use the phrase "I," he said the "GROUP." Making mistakes such as that are un-professional.
3. "...they are taken very seriously in my country." in this statement of say "MY country"... are you implying that it is not a Christian Palestinians country?? Notice I am asking you instead of assuming the worse.
4. Lastly... it seems as if you are more interested in continuing a somewhat pointless debate that will neither improve the resolution that you or Nadeem wants.
-Nanette:
1. You should be honored that I, an educated individual, am addressing you because of your incredible disrespect and explicit racist views, however, being that I AM MUSLIM, I will not tolerate your ridiculous defamation of my religion. Please do not interpret this as me saying I am vastly superior then yourself. We will touch on that comment later.
2. First and foremost... did you not read the part of Nadeem being a CHRISTIAN!? I am not aware why you are speaking to him like he is Muslim.
3. "...martyrdom, which, by the way, is only encouraged in Islamic society" I would hope that someone posting something on a website would be educated before he/she would write something but you have proven me wrong. The first Christian martyr was Saint Stephen (http://www.bartleby.com/65/st/StphnSt.html) Jewish martyrdom occurred in May of 1096 (http://www.pbs.org/wnet/heritage/episode4/documents/documents_5.html) there’s even martyrdom is Buddhism! (http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-4659) so this statement of yours "You're encouraging Christians to die for an Islamist cause. Why?" please do us all a favor and know what you are talking about before you open your mouth.
3. "Christians are persecuted in Islamic countries because they're infidel, kuffar" I am going to assume you do not know the Arabic language and have taken it upon yourself to assume 'kuffar' to mean 'infidel' because perhaps you heard this somewhere. You have made a grave mistake as the word 'kuffar' does not mean 'infidel' because that word does not exist in Arabic. If you are interested the actual meaning is 'non-believer.'
4. "...why on earth should Christians support such delusional people who think they're so vastly superior?" Interesting you say such a thing because in Islam we recognize Judaism and Christianity and their specific messengers (peace be upon them all). Furthermore, as human beings created by God, we are not at place to judge others, so this idea that we believe ourselves to be "vastly superior," would only be made by someone not correctly following the religion, however, I have a hard time believing someone would say this and am going to guess you made this conclusion on your own?
5. "...the so-called Palestinian, or any other Muslim issue." By saying so-called are you implying that there is no Palestinian issue? The reality of the Palestinian issue is not a Muslim issue. Just because there are Muslim's involved doesn't make it a Muslim issue : )
6. "...admit that Islam is an expansionist religion" Why should Nadeem admit to something like this? How does this have anything to do with his argument? HE IS NOT MUSLIM. And Islam is an expansionist religion, is that a problem for you? Who's not admitting to it?
7. "...because we're fed up with having to bend over backwards for "Muslim rights" Who is bending over backwards for Muslim rights? This could possibly be one of the most ridiculous comments I have ever read. I specifically remember in school getting off for Christian and Jewish holidays. Muslim holidays you ask? No, however, when our holy month of Ramadan was recognized in the school calendar I was ecstatic. If you consider typing "Ramadan" in black ink on a calendar to be bending over backwards for Muslim rights, then my back has snapped millions of times for other religions.
8. "...when Islam is the most intolerant, barbaric, political ideology, hiding behind a religion - and no shariah state will ever entertain the rights of Christians, Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists or Zoroastrians." I am not sure if your aware but Islam encompasses the previous two monotheistic religions (that would be Judaism and Christianity). Islam recognizes the holy books of both of those religions in addition to the Qur'an. So if you believe Islam to be "intolerant, barbaric..." please be aware that your religion falls under this category as well. This statement further exemplifies the fact that you know close to nothing about Islam. You use words such a "shariah" perhaps to make it seem like you know what you are talking about, but then you put a completely contradictory statement after it like "no shariah state will ever entertain the rights of..." when there is a specific part of the shariah explaining how to "entertain" other religions in an Islamic country and specifically to GIVE THEM THEIR RIGHTS AND LET THEM PRACTICE AS THEY WISH.

Please do not take these 8 items as the only problems I have with your comments. And to both of the individuals I responded to, if it may have seemed like I was posing a question for answer... please understand that these were meant to be rhetorical as I am not interested in your responses.

9. Nannette said:

Deena, if you want to know some more truths about Islam, go to:

Faithfreedom International
and
Dhimmi Watch
and
Jihad Watch

Please note that if you disagree with anything that's on Dhimmi Watch or Jihad Watch, Robert Spencer is happy to quote you chapter and verse from all the Islamic texts which support the murder of infidel and the global, violent jihad. He also speaks Arabic and has thus far, been able to stand his own ground with your Islamic "scholars".

In response to your comment about martyrs of other religions - there's not been any for a few hundred years - proving that pure Islam is a backward, AND intolerant religion.

Don't forget that the golden age of Islam was over 1000 years ago and since then, there's been absolutely no notable contributions to humanity, although most Muslims like to swell on these past achievements.

As for your point no.3 - at least you don't deny that Christians are persecuted in Islamic countries!

Your point no.5 There were no "Palestinians" until 1967 when the Arabs displaced by their OWN leaders decided to take the name which the British had used for Jews in the area, but in a derogatory way.

Also note that there have been NO Christian homicide bombers attacking Israel, even though there are a few Christian refugees, although most have either emigrated, moved to Israel, or actually worked and made a life for themselves.

It's very sad that the Muslim Palestinian refugees are the world's welfare queens, and they're the only group of refugees to have their own UN department.

It's also a fact that in 1948 there were millions of refugees from India and Pakistan, but all have been absorped into their own countries.

Just to illustrate my point - Islamic states aren't known for their humanitarianism or charity - and won't give a home to their brethren. When the oil producing states are the riches in the world - they contributed between them, less than 10 million dollars to the victims of the tsunami, but Saudi is spending far more than that on building mosques and preaching their virulent Whabbism. But build homes for those without shelter? Most definitely not!

If you read the truth, then you'll know of the persecution, mass murders and torture of Jews and Christians who lived under the Ottoman Empire and other Islamic states.

Today (the 21st century), there's been an Arab genocide of the Christians of the Sudan - and where are people like you protesting? Nowhere I suspect, because the Islamic genocide of any other religion or race of people is something the majority of you turn a blind eye to.

As for you saying that the koran is really a mixture of Christianity and Judaism, in part that's true, but the koran is divided into two parts - the dar el harb and the dar es salaam. The first of which talks of Mohammed's bloody conquests of the Jews of Medina, which he did through deception and lying (Taqiya and the Treaty of Hudabaiyah). If Islam respects Judaism, and is "tolerant" of it, then why would your "prophet" endorse and carry out the murder, rape and pillage of the Jews?

Obviously there's much you have to learn about your own religion.

10. Nannette said:

Deena, of course you're not interested in any responses to your comments, because like all Islamists, you're not interested in debate, only in your own, inflexible opinion - which is why Islam is totally incompatible with democracy.

11. Tom Hyatt said:

Dan -- I have no doubt whatsoever that Muddy is indeed reading these posts, egotistical pig that he is. And then we have Deena, who must have spent about an hour responding and then, in the best Jew-hating tradition, haughtily feigns uninterest in responses from the undermenschen. Mind you, this one is so dumb she doesn't realize that her spin and party line is being shelled out to the wrong audience.

"Deena" -- try your crap and fairy tells on the self-hating Jews.

12. Tom Hyatt said:

Make that "fairy tales." Oh, here's a place you can post them: http://www.online-literature.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2743

13. Bill Levinson said:

Deena wrote:

1. If a specific word carry's a particular type of misplaced connotation it is only further promoting that mis-use to coincide with it. For example, when people use the title 'secretary' typically one thinks of a woman, however, this is not correct and is why the new title of 'administrative assistant' has been put in place. So if you think 'violence' and 'suicide bombing' when you hear the word "martyr," well that’s your own issue to get over. According to dictionary.com a "martyr" is: 1. one who chooses to suffer death rather than renounce religious principles (obviously not what Nadeem was referring to) and 2. One who makes great sacrifices or suffers much in order to further a belief, cause or principle. (Obviously what Nadeem was referring to, please note that there is nothing in either definition that says suicide bombing.)

We are using the same dictionary, the American Heritage Dictionary. I did not accuse Muaddi of soliciting suicide bombers either but I did believe he was trying to recruit human shields like Rachel Corrie, who might easily be "martyred" in acts of nonviolent civil disobedience. Furthermore, as long as we are reading from the same dictionary, note that firefighters and emergency workers (Muaddi's explanation of martyrs) do not seem to fit the usual definition.

2. You mention that "You are, in fact, actually on record as saying the opposite," however, if you read Nadeem's statement you will see that he did not use the phrase "I," he said the "GROUP." Making mistakes such as that are un-professional.

He's the group's SPOKESMAN and he is speaking on the group's behalf. He is a member of a group that refuses to condemn terrorism, which is at variance with his now-pious statements about nonviolence and being nice.

3. "...they are taken very seriously in my country." in this statement of say "MY country"... are you implying that it is not a Christian Palestinians country?? Notice I am asking you instead of assuming the worse.

It's not any religion's country; we have total freedom of religion and separation of church and state. The nineteen individuals who hijacked four airplanes, slit the flight attendants' throats with box cutters, and then piloted them into buildings full of innocent people to kill 3000 of my fellow citizens (and doubtlessly some guests from other counties) were referred to extensively as "martyrs" by their fellow terrorists. I think you can now imagine why that word has some very unpleasant connotations around here.

14. Bill Levinson said:

My reply to Mr. Muaddi is here: http://www.israpundit.com/archives/2006/01/humpty_dumpty_n.php ("Humpty Dumpty, Nadeem Muaddi's Martyrs, and the ISM/PSM Connection")

15. Marlo Roberts said:

Interesting...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if the Palestine Solidarity Movement won't condemn suicide bombers "because such efforts never include a condemnation of Israeli violence as well", then that would mean they have not issue condemning violence in general, in all its forms where ever it may exist. If so, then Muddy's statements actually do not stand in "variance" with the platform of the PSM.

Perhaps the reason they do not focus strictly on the suicide attacks is because, like Muddy suggests, it calls attention to one side's violence while ignoring the fact that Israelis often employ violent tactics as well.

As an outsider to this issue, it seems to me that people are reading into each others words with an obvious bias - looking for sticking points to cause controversy. Sadly, I think that this will only prolong the conflict. It may be hard to shove bias aside, but when someone like Muddy doesn't say anything attack-worthy, it seems rather unfortunate that he would be attacked.

16. Bill Levinson said:

Mr. Muaddi is also on record as supporting an academic BOYCOTT (not divestment) from Israel, as shown here.

http://www.academicsforjustice.org/petition/signed.php3?lang=eng&start=50&many=50&orderby=ID&logic=

Nadeem Muaddi Graduate Student Temple University Philadelphia USA Palestinian

Don't worry, I have downloaded this page in case it "disappears" from its server, or Mr. Muaddi's name disappears.

Re: "Correct me if I'm wrong, but if the Palestine Solidarity Movement won't condemn suicide bombers "because such efforts never include a condemnation of Israeli violence as well", then that would mean they have not issue condemning violence in general, in all its forms where ever it may exist."

Nothing stops the PSM from condemning what it perceives as illegal Israeli violence along with the suicide bombers. Contrary to your statement, in fact, the PSM/ISM often condemns Israeli violence against Palestinians (justified or unjustified) while NEVER condemning Palestinian atrocities against Israeli civilians or even other Palestinians.

17. kuhnkat said:

Nadeem,

I am a Christian and I am willing to martyr myself for the cause, except, I didn't think you wanted the US army killing so-called Palestinians???

Nadeem,

when can I take my Bible onto the Temple Mount and pray to Jesus for my soul without Islamofascists arresting or attacking me??

Nadine,

ANY way I live my life it will end in DEATH. The question is always what I have done with what life I have BEFORE the Lord ends it.

Oh, and little Billy, those nasty Muslim leaders have been keeping those poor children in those refugee camps for 60 years!!! How cruel they are to their own people!!!

and little Billy, those venomous Imams teach those children they keep in those refugee camps to HATE their neighbors in Israel and to believe the best thing they can do in the world is to blow themselves up taking as many Israeli JEWS as they can with them. How evil can these people be??????

and finally little Billy, there is a group that use the name PSM to recruit people who have heart and lie to them so they go to Israel and are killed to make the Israelis look like murders.

Little Billy, these eveil people are fundamentalist Muslims. They will lie about anything to fool you. They lie about the Israelis taking their land when the Israelis were living in peace until the evil ones attacked them to kill ALL of them. They hate everyone except themselves and will kill everyone that won't bow to them and do as they say. Please stay away from these evil people, and when you grow up, you can be a Crusader to fight this evil also!!!

18. Dan Barkye said:

And I say: No point in talking to them, as bad as this may seem.

I further say: Only to act, and to act actions compatible with our historical right that they, the utterly insolent, arrogant and fascist foes of ours, do not recognize even after they stole our land from us in the saddest of circumstances, while we were in exile.

Note: Pls, note their arrogant language and terms: "my little Billy" (Nadeem), "You should be honored that I, an educated individual, am addressing you because of your incredible disrespect and explicit racist views (she hides her arrogance so righteously under the pretext of Nannete racism), however, being that I AM MUSLIM, I will not tolerate your ridiculous defamation of my religion. Please do not interpret this as me saying I am vastly superior then yourself (thank you, Deena!). We will touch on that comment later (here it comes at last, the arrogance of the superior toward the lesser, as it is so widely done in the third-world societies) (Deena)."

Tom - I don't doubt it either, after all, he reads it all right.

Dan

19. kuhnkat said:

Deena,

the basic problem is Fundamentalist Islam which has read the Quran in explicit form accepting what has been written in plain Arabic (and some other languages in spite of the claim of PURITY)

Until Muslims purge their own religion of this vile HATE, RAPE, PILLAGE, TORTURE, SLAVERY, DHIMMITUDE............. for all other religions and non-religious groups. You are dead meat on the plains of the world. The only reason these MORONS have been able to push their agenda this far is the economic wealth and the influence this wealth allows. Without the oil it will blow away with the next sandstorm.

In fact, your success will kill your religion. If you manage to CONVERT any western country the Crusades will end up looking like a couple gangs in LA going at each other. I keep hearing how many Billions of Muslims there are in the world. Try counting how many are actually violent fundamentalists, or who will fight with them, and then compare that to just 10% of the rest of the world. As I said before, the fundamentalists and the people riding their skirts are MORONS. Any real success will doom you to a purge like has never been seen in this world!!! (the French are wussies BUT, ever see what their Foreign Legion does to people??? Same for the rest of the west. Then there is the US!!!!!)

Now, do all you apologists really want to see another world war with the sons and daughters of Mohammed at the sharp end of a purge??? It is something you really need to start thinking about. Right now I count more people converting to Christianity than to Islam in spite of the brutal tactics you people use.

WAKE UP TO REALITY BEFORE IT WAKES UP TO YOU!!!!! There will come a time when the west sees it as cheaper to wipe out Muslims and the Arab world than to keep taking losses!!!

Oh, and Deena you MORON said:

"...when there is a specific part of the shariah explaining how to "entertain" other religions in an Islamic country and specifically to GIVE THEM THEIR RIGHTS AND LET THEM PRACTICE AS THEY WISH."

Of course, you don't mention that Wahabbist and other fundamentalists say it is OK to do everything I mentioned before to any of these groups who are not living Righteous lives according to the strictest interpretations of the Books. That means we are all INFIDELS and we will ALL be destroyed in the most violent and ugly manners because few people in the world today are fully compliant with the writings (even Muslims!!!!!!!!!!)

I only have to look at Saudi Arabia and other Muslim countries to see how easily that can be reinterpreted to killing and torturing others to convert or subdue them!!!

Now since you are such an educated, intelligent, propagandist all I can say is:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Be really careful cause the Muslim FUNDIES are gonna getcha!!!!!

20. Phyllis said:

Robert Spencer=Tomas de Torquemada

21. Bill Levinson said:

Dan wrote, "Note: Pls, note their arrogant language and terms: "my little Billy" (Nadeem), "You should be honored that I, an educated individual, am addressing you because of your incredible disrespect and explicit racist views (she hides her arrogance so righteously under the pretext of Nannete racism), however, being that I AM MUSLIM, I will not tolerate your ridiculous defamation of my religion."

Actually, Nadeem claims to be a Christian. This is a bit strange as he is supporting a regime, the Palestinian Authority, that wants to turn all the Christians into dhimmis. Then again, Nero and Diocletian probably had "Christians" who were willing to lead the Roman police to the secret meetings in the catacombs so they could drag the rest of the Christians to the arena to feed the lions--- ahhhhh, "Judas goat" is the term I was looking for. Also the Polish word haniebny which seems to mean roughly "without honor."

Jerzy R. Krzyzanowski's The Trilogy Companion: A Reader's Guide to the Trilogy of Henryk Sienkiewicz explains, "It isn't merely shame, disgrace, or even dishonor. It denotes such utter degradation and such total and complete humiliation that no self-respecting human being could ever accept it. Indeed, pohanbienie has a ring of such abysmal finality about it, and it suggests such brutality in its application, that death itself would be preferable to it. A man or woman who is shanbiony or shanbiona is hardly able to live with his or her own image, far less among others. [Further research shows that shanbiony may not be the correct word, but rather a misspelling of haniebny, which means disgraceful or dishonorable.]

Of course, haniebny is the normal state of affairs for the Palestinians (as shown by their long litany of broken truces) and their fifth columnists like the Palestine Solidarity Movement.

22. Dan Barkye said:

It is simply amazing to me and many, many others, here, and elsewhere, how they can be so totally out of sync w facts and theories and speech and approaches, how can they be so distanced from all that is logical and sensible, how can they be so one-sided even when the facts sepak louddder than words, and they themselves stand to lose.