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The Beginning of Armageddon?
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Bill Narvey
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The problem with doom and gloom scenarios is that they are usually far too pessimistic, leaving little or no room for optimism and for that reason alone can usually be dismissed or at least in part discredited.
The problem with Jerry Gordon's doom and gloom scenario is that it is too real to dismiss and too difficult to discredit.
So where does that leave us? Is Israel powerless to do anything about it as it is steered by others on a stormy sea towards the shoals of disaster? Are we also powerless to do anything about it?
Jerry Gordon's insights on what has been and is are useful, but what about his insights on what can be and how to make that happen?
Posted by: Bill Narvey on January 29, 2006 09:57 AM
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Dan Barkye
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How to make that happen, Bill, is COLLECTIVE ACTION and INDEPENDENCE of Action for Israel, something I call for since I came here (2 Jan 06) and that is finding an echo, (w/o reference, mind you), in posts by Bill (in his call to action in one of the last ISM/PSM issue) and Ted's (in his remark "Israel has to do what it has to do" in another very recent post).
When someone repeats me, especially w/o having made those same statements before, I want credit.
That said, I'm happy whenever the correct way of action and thinking is taken by anyone.
You'll find those calls of mine in all the relevant posts: ACTION and Israel's INDEPENDENT action, regardless of what anyone else says and thinks.
I said and I repeat it now in the most unambiguous terms, in the most official manner:
"Shmah Israel, ACTIONS and INDEPENDENCE!"
Dan
Posted by: Dan Barkye on January 29, 2006 11:04 AM
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IMAD
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JERRY GORDON S COMMENTS ARE REFLECTIVE OF THE ZIONIST TUNNEL VISION OF THE "LEGITIMACY" PROBLEM WHICH HAS BEEN GOING ON SINCE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF ISRAEL;
ISRAEL'S PROBLEM IS ACQUIRING LEGITIMACY.RECOGNITION BY UN RESOLUTIONS ,OTHER COUNTRIES AS WELL AS THE BIBLE IS NOT AND WILL NEVER BE ENOUGH UNTIL SUCH TIME THAT THE PALESTINIANS CONFER THAT LEGITIMACY ON THAT ARTIFICIALLY CREATED STATE.
TODAY ISRAEL IS THE MOST POWERFUL IN THAT "NEIGHBOURHOOD",MAKING IT THE REAL THREAT TO ITS NEIGHBOURS RATHER THAN THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
IT IS IN ISRAEL'S INTEREST TO SEEK AND FIND LEGITIMACY WITH THE 3 TO 4 MILLION PALESTINIANS WHO HAVE NOTHING TO GIVE AS ALL HAS BEEN TAKEN BY ISRAEL WHO SHOULD GIVE THEM BACK ENOUGH TO GAIN THAT UNOBTAINABLE LEGITIMACY OBJECTIVE.
Posted by: IMAD on January 29, 2006 11:20 AM
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Dan Barkye
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Let it be clear, Imad!
The Bible is not my concern. My claim is based ONLY on historical facts that you don't want to recognize b/c then you will have to give back what you took unlawfully, OUR land. This is the problem, not Isr's legitimacy.
Israel is legitimate alright, WITH your recognition or WITHOUT it. Who needs it? When we mention it it's only to make the point of your recalcitrant behavior, that's all, not b/c we need it. To witness, the Gaza unilateral disengagement, the prosperity of Israel vs the primitiveness of all the Arab surrounding world, and the very establishment of the State of Israel, in spite of what you say or think.
Fact is that from all the wars you wage so unsuccessfully against us, you always emerge the loser, and we the winner, you the weaker and we the stronger. And we get stronger by the day. Fact, kiddo, fact!
Legitimacy from you? My foot! Shove it! Say thanks that we give you work in Israel, say thanks that we are there to bring progress to the region in every aspect you care to mention, say thanks that in spite of the fact that it is our land, we are willing to give you the right to live there, and to do so in peace and in prosperity, especially when you look at the living conditions of your brotehrs in all the surrounding arab lands.
Say thanks that 100 yrs ago, when we came there, to join the other Jews already living there, as it is OUR land, you, 50% of the Pals' grandfathers and mothers, and almost all of the Bedouin tribes living there now, had the opportunity to find work and bread to put on the table, b/c the Jews brought money and investments to this land of OURS and so they immigrated there from all over the MidEast, as far as from Iraq. Say thanks, man, dutifully and gratefully!
I don't need you, you need me, fact!
Posted by: Dan Barkye on January 29, 2006 11:39 AM
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Ed D
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Dan, I could not have said it better to Imad. My opinion is this: Either they appreciate what the Israelis have done for them, in spite of their reponse, then let's move them out, probably by force and let Iran and Arabia foot their bill.
Posted by: Ed D on January 29, 2006 01:48 PM
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Dan Barkye
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Ed, the transfer hadn't got the appropriate response from the powers that be and from the regular Isr's. But it surely is a solution. Jordan?
Posted by: Dan Barkye on January 29, 2006 02:11 PM
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scott
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American Presidents have been sucking Saudi ______ now for going on 70 years and where has it gotten us? While we pumped money into their regime they used that wealth to foster Whahabi psychopathy. Sharansky is a pie-in-th-sky fool and Bush is his dupe. It is time for the West to seize the oil fields of all Arab nations who have financed terrorism and strike Iran. We should give them, say, $20 a barrel to run thier shit hole countries but the oil is ours. It is owed to us for all their debts. Debts that can never be repaid in full and when we suck every last drop from thier dishonorable lands they will STILL owe us.
Islam is NOT a religion. It is a political con. It is a johnny-come-lately shallow hoax of a system dreamed up by a pedophile rapist dictator. The very idea that the West should give honor to such a monstrous sham is a cosmic black joke. Islam is guilty of every crime known to man. AS A SYSTEM. If the nazis warrant ever-lasting disdain .... the snake-oil rants of Mohamed and his sycophants warrant a thousand times more revulsion.
Surely God protected Ishmael because he knew modern man would need severe chastisement if not obliteration for our sins. Sins that stink to high heaven. For we lay our own children on the arms of Molech by not responding to the evil of Islam with righteousness. We sell our souls daily for oil.
Posted by: scott on January 29, 2006 03:07 PM
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scott
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Oh yeah, this isn't even the run-up to Armageddon. You ain't seen NOTHIN yet. We will beg the rocks to fall on us and bury us.
Posted by: scott on January 29, 2006 03:11 PM
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Michael
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I have never posted any comment before and find myself very reluctant to do so now. Well here it goes anyway! Mr. Gordons comments regarding these matters is spelled out in detail in G-ds Holy Scriptures. G-ds prophets spoke on these exact happenings and it is ALL coming to pass just as they prophesied. Jeremiah,Isaiah,Amos,Zephania,Zechariah all tell what is going to happen in Gaza and Ashkelon not to mention many more surrounding communities. The fighting in the north that is going to take place with Syria and Lebanon its all there. Egypt,Iran,Russia it is all right there for the eyes to see. I have been teaching for years that Iran would come against the U.S. and Israel,and that Russia would be involved in it up to their necks also. I knew the Israel gov would give up Gaza. Why? because Scriptures say so. And I will tell you something else right now THERE WILL BE A PALESTINE! And when it all looks like Israel is doomed you know who is going to show up and kick some behind and there will not be any argument on if this land belongs to Israel or not! And Israel's borders are going to get a whole lot bigger! Yes Mr.Gordon although it is sometime away in a sense Armageddon has begun. The fighting is going to get much worse from here on out! If it isnt obvious already I pick Israel!
Posted by: Michael on January 29, 2006 05:56 PM
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Riley
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Horseshit
Posted by: Riley on January 29, 2006 06:14 PM
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Michael
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I can tell riley is busting at the seams with intelligence. My answer to his ignorance is time will prove the Scriptures.
Posted by: Michael on January 29, 2006 06:45 PM
The Beginning of Armageddon?
by Jerry Gordon, former U.S. military intelligence officer and Middle East Analyst for American Congress for Truth.
Israel, the US and the West have lost in the Middle East because of a delusion-the Bush version of the Wilsonian dream of national sovereignty and "democracy" has no traction in the cradle of political Jihad Islam. Wilson's League of Nation dream didn't prevent the rise of Herr Hitler and his Nazi thugs who gave us the Shoah and six million dead European Jews whose memories we commemorated on Friday at the UN and in dozens of civilized countries around the globe.
In a strange way Princeton Emeritus Professor and Vice President Dick Cheney's favorite middle east policy wonk, Bernard Lewis and the neo-cons have lost. But my friends Bat Ye'or, Bob Spencer and Andrew Bostom have won a Pyrrhic victory.
Bush and Condi miscalculated and so did Sharon and Olmert.
Bringing liberty and democracy to Islamic lands was a fool's errand from the get go.
What we got was the rise of xenophobic Islamic jihadism fueled by barbarous tribal and clan warfare.
Let's look at the track record last year and this new year.
The US encouraged Iranian dissidents and moderates to protest by not voting last June and look what we have- a "terpich fresser" in Tehran lunatic apocalyptic President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad brandishing his nuclear scimitar at Israel and the West and telling Bush and the EU to stuff it. Meanwhile Russia, China and even India are bought off by billion dollar trade and arms deals with Iran ensuring no UN security actions. Nary a glove is laid on Iran's patent "judenhass" on this the UN's first Holocaust memorial day, Friday.
Also in June in Lebanon after four rounds of voting in the first, Hezbolleh and allied parties win 35 seats out of 128 in the Lebanese parliament. Hezbolleh literally announces takeover of all of South Lebanon and threatens the new government with secession. Iran pours in over $600 million in "assistance" to Hezbollah annually and Hezbolleh earns another $600 million from telephone card monoplies and drug dealing producing a billon dollar plus war chest. Hezbolleh has tens of thousands of rockets, artillery, munitions, arms and vehicles in those underground bunker in the Bekaa Valley. Hezbolleh begins actions against Northern Israel. Hezbollah now mans all of the guard posts-some directly overlooking Israel's northern road along the border with Lebanon. Opposition leaders in Lebanon are continually assassinated presumably by Syrian backed operatives.
August, Sharon and Olmert engineer the unilateral withdrawal from Gaza creating a mini-Hamastan and seeds of civil war between Fatah and Hamas. 9,000 Jews are displaced to live in caravan and hotel squalor inside the green line and upwards of 5,000 Arab jobs are destroyed along with $75 to $100 million from vegetable and herb export earnings from high tech greenhouses, since destroyed. Security for Israel is lost despite the move.
Tons of arms and weapons and millions of money pour into Gaza from al Qaeda and Iran-backed Islamic Jihad pour into Gaza
Then comes September and aging Egyptian dictator ruler Mubarak now has 79 members of the Muslim Brotherhood sitting in his phony parliament and waging war against Coptic Christians. Copts account for 12 to 15 million out of Egypt's 80 million in population and they have five seats and all the women have another five. Sharia dhimmitude basically takes over. The Mubarak dynasty will never retain control in this decade.
In mid-November, Dr. Rice and entourage fly in on the weekend of November 12th to jam it to the Israelis to enter an unsigned agreement to open up the Rafah gap border with Egypt and mayhem occurs as Hamas and al Qaeda pour in operatives, arms and munitions and the rain of Qassem rockets begins to fall on Northern Sinai and Ashkelon in Israel.
December 15th, elections occur in Iraq and the pre-dominate party elected is a Shia Islamist group, now in fractious negotiations with minority Sunnis which may blow up in the faces of the desperate US Ambassador, Afghhan born Zalmay Khalilzad, Dr. Rice and President Bush. The Kurds are simply angling for justifiable regional autonomy. Meanwhile neighboring Iran trains and funds insurgents in the country to foment turmoil.
January 25th, Hamas-an offshoot of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood wins an overwhelming majority of the Palestinian Legislative Council and violence erupts with disenfranchised Fatah gunmen in Gaza and the West Bank. Exiled Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal, in Damascus says the armed struggle against Israel will not cease.
All this in a Damascus, where we now learn from Saddam's former Air Force head where they took most of the WMD makings. A Damascus where diminutive Iran President Ahmadinejad and towering Syrian President Assad held a photo op and war council prior to the Palestinian Legislative Council vote. Doubtless they met secretly to cement terror funding with both Hamas and Hezbolleh leaders for actions against Israel following the "surprise" Hamas win of last Wednesday.
What's the score so far in this "great game" in baseball argot: Jihad 7 Israel and the West zip!!
As I said a few days ago in another IsraPundit posting. The green flag of Jihad Islam advances everywhere in the Middle East. The foolish western chimera of liberty and democracy for Muslim lands in the Middle East is a failed delusion.
Olmert and the Kadimah leadership, Rice and Bush are like the Vichy French police chief portrayed by the late British film actor Claude Rains who spoke that fabled line in the Bogie movie, "Casablanca": "I'm shocked, shocked."
Looks like the beginning of Armageddon to me.
Posted by Jerry Gordon at January 29, 2006 07:48 AM