1. Leonard said:

Is this what the Palestine Solidarity Campaign mean when they advocate a "Secular Democratic Palestine" or is it the cold reality of a Terror dominated Hamas nightmare that the World is just waking up to.

If you have any doubts about what they stand for why don't you go and ask them ?

2. Rakib said:

This is article so wrong. I can get collection of pictures to make anything look bad like Israel, Israeli children with gun shooting Palestinians pictures. Lot of the pictures on here are same pictures found all over the web because there is no other pictures to replace it since the occasion is super rare. This article gets its information from extremist, radical, filled with hatred, anti-Islamic site (faithfreedom.org), where founder of the site, Ali Sina, policy is that West should kick out all Muslims, ban the Holy Quran, use nuclear weapons to bomb Islamic land and every Muslims are evil since they follow “evil” prophet.

3. Skeptic said:

Rakib said:

I can get collection of pictures to make anything look bad like Israel, Israeli children with gun shooting Palestinians pictures.

Please show us these photos of Israeli children with guns shooting "Palestinians".

4. Dan Barkye said:

Rakib, face it, young bewildered kid, this is a culture of death, of backwardness, of opression, of violence. Not one iota of what you say can be proved.

The inconsideration for anything else beyond Islam, the famed "dhimitude", is crying out loud from every action of yours. You can sell the Islamic agitprop to suckers, not to the ones who see it for what it is. And those awakened people take care, right now, to open the eyes of all the others to see it, too.

But don't you worry, the Europeans won't swallow it for long. America is already awaken to the peril, to the inexpressible danger that this culture represents for the civilization.

You better open your eyes, too, lest you won't be able to open them after they'll convince you to commit a "suicide act of liberation" and to break your mother's heart.

You, young intelligent women of the Islamic religion, see the danger before it's too late! Beofore you'll be imprisoned in your own houses by the Taliban and the Wahabists, not allowed to go to schools, to doctors, to work, to the outside world at all. Open your eyes before you'll be attacked and killed by the Fundies b/c they saw you holding hands w your beloved boyfriend! Open your eyes before the tragedy happens in your own home and village and town! Open your eyes, young intelligent Muslim woman, wherever you are!

5. Laura said:

muslim "men" are the most vile creatures imaginable, they are the lowest form of life and should be genitally mutilated. That would be poetic justice.

6. Laura said:

Clearly those pictures show that this is a depraved "culture" and these "palestinian" and muslim creatures are not human.

7. d said:

is anybody going to speak out against Laura's blatant racism?

8. Dan Barkye said:

d, Profiling is NOT Racism.

Laura, though I am not violent, I'm w you in your protest. Describing one's behavior is not racism.

D, you STOP right now, but RIGHT NOW, the defeatist and pseudo-pluralist POV talk. I'm fed up w it and I throw my guts hearing and reading it, so disgusted am I of all the pseudo-liberal hipe.

If such men kill for honor, mutilate little girls by circumcizing them, rape European and Aussie women just b/c they wear what they like and so they think she's a whore (maybe someone will direct him to the article about it in FrontPage, I belive), then they are inhuman, barbaric creatures.
Now, this is profiling, not racism. Now, you learnt something very useful in your future conversations.

9. Bill Levinson said:

d wrote, "is anybody going to speak out against Laura's blatant racism?" I think this is the best way to emphasize the difference between racism (saying that someone is genetically inferior and can't help being what he is) and criticism of his behavioral CHOICES:

Islamofascists: Homo Sapiens by BIRTH, Subhuman by CHOICE

Engaging in mindless violence, raising one's children from birth to do the same, battering and murdering women, killing people for being the wrong religion, lynching gay people for their sexual orientation, feeling free to rape any woman who is not wearing a veil, and so on are all BEHAVIORAL CHOICES and have nothing to do with race.

10. Jack said:

Rakib might have a point that it's easy to distort reality by providing a few isolated photos. One need only visit Hamas or Islamic Jihad websites to see how a few isolated images of horrific "Israeli atrocities" can present a grossly distorted image of Israeli actions.

But Rakib, the problem here is that even if the images presented are unusual and rare, they are still common enough to show there's a serious problem in many Muslim countries, at least those that are theocratic and/or autocratic. It might be true that it's only a handful of videos and a few dozen images repeatedly showing up on the web, but their similarity, coupled with what we know of the ideology of these people, makes it quite credible to believe it's common enough to warrant serious attention. I would assume also that most of such events aren't photographed or videotaped, and when they are, they're probably not publicized.

Having said that, I think Laura's sentiments are reprehensible. It might be a cliche that "not all Muslims are bad," but it's one worth repeating. The horrific actions in question have less to do with being Muslim than with living in backward fanatical societies. Jews too in ancient times, Medieval Christians, and other ancient (or not so ancient, but unenlightened) societies, exhibited quite barbaric behavior. What we see now is a unique phenomenon in modern times where advanced and backward cultures clash, with horrible results.

And to the extent that these attitudes do exist, they are not unique to men. Women in these societies, as patriarchal as they are, have shown themselves capable of equally horrific sentiments, if not always the excutors of such sentiments. Witness the motherly pride of Palestinian suicide bombers, and the many women who support honor-killings of their own family members. It's not the men or the women, it's not Muslims or any other religion, it's fundamentalist and backward societies that are the culprits. And it won't change until these societies realize the harm they are doing to their own people and to the entire world.

11. Rakib said:

I will try to answer many of the questions. And sad to see, so many negative and misunderstanding about Muslims and Islam.

To Skeptic:

I couldn't the picture that I was talking about, where summer camp the Israeli children were practising shooting at picture of Palestinians. Here are some pictures. copy and paste it.
http://electronicintifada.net/artman/uploads/pta-to-plo-260.jpg
http://news.indiainfo.com/2002/07/30/children1.jpg

To Dan Barkye, Laura, Bill Levinson.

Either, you people are naive to believe all the propaganda of raciest, islam-hating sites or pure raciest becasue you are encouraging and bringing hatred toward a group of people (Muslims). The Fact is, you people are wrong.

(Female Genitally mutilated). There is no Hadiths or Quran verse which call for female Genitally mutilated. In fact, there is no female Genitally mutilated in Saudi Arabia, Islamic Iran, Pakistan or Afganistan under Teleban, I bet your proganda source didn't tell you about this. As for me as a Muslim, I recently heard that Islam is accused of Female Genitally mutilated, since I never heard muslims doing Female Genitally mutilated.

(Honor Killing). There is no Hadiths or Quran verse which call for honor killing. There is no honor killing in many Islamic countries Indonesia, Muslims countries in Western Africa, Bangladesh, and more. Honor killing is a tradition, and each honor killing makes it to the world news and men who commit these acts are punished for it, as a murderer. Also recently heard of honor killing in Muslims land, but I am from Bangladesh where there is no word or never heard of honor killing.

(rape of European). False, give me the source. Don't give a conservative lying news source like frontpage. Frontpage got caught red handed of lying when it said that www.islamonline.net said in of the question they were asked of raping, the women was to blame for not covering up but when asked for the url, they failed to give the url, and soon Frontpage moved the comment.

Ask the Muslims women for yourself in Western countries if Muslims men treat them bad. The fact is little Muslims women in Islamic or Western "free" countries leave Islam compare to men. The fact is More European women convert to Islam than European men and it is not through marriage. You can trick all the Westerners into believing that women suppressed but people who living the life will never be convinced or you can convince because they know the truth.

12. Rakib said:

Dear Jack,

I agree with lot of what you said but I also disagree with some. Few isolated photos can distort reality, which is my point. And yes, same technique is also true for Hamas/Jihad and yes it does work with some Muslims which make them turn into terrorist or increase support for terrorists. One shouldn't take bunch pictures as the whole truth and one must investigate true cause behind pictures.

You said "I would assume also that most of such events aren't photographed or videotaped, and when they are, they're probably not publicized."

I disagree. You wouldn't believe how organized are the people who willing to destroy Islam and bring hatred message toward Muslims. Over the past year, I have been reading lot of hate-filled anti-islamic sites and I know how powerful are they. If there is one photo that make is negative toward Muslims, that photo will get all over the web within 1 month. They will publicized every negative photos. Another thing they will do is that they will keep repeating the same stories over and over again. They will repeat a story that happened like 15 years ago, to make a point. It is like every Muslims have to be perfect for whole Muslims not to get criticized. One thing that Westerners don't understand is that Islam is very influential on Muslims that who ever can use Islam to justify will win. So criminal and murderers of female will use Islam so that they will not get punished even through their intention wasn't Islam but a true crime. So when the criminals use Islam, Westerns says that Islam approve of the crime and crime is due to Islam. This is true for honor killing.

13. Skeptic said:

Rakib,

Thanks for the links to 2 photos, neither of which shows anything like the barbarity shown in the photos of "Palestinians" slaughtering their own brothers and sisters.

Your first photo could have been taken in the UK, the USA, or any other country, for example at an "Open Day" in a military base - the boy appears to have his hands on a heavy machine-gun mounted on a tank or an APC. He is not aiming it at "Palestinians", indeed the weapon is pointing safely at the sky and doesn't seem to be loaded.

The children in the second photo could have been photographed in any back yard in America - learning how to safely handle a weapon.

There is no comparison between these images and those we have all seen of "Palestinian" children at Hezbolah/Hamas "summer camps" or street demonstrations learning to hate Jews and how to kill them, let alone a comparison with the images which are the subject of this post.

14. Bill Levinson said:

Rakib wrote, "Either, you people are naive to believe all the propaganda of raciest, islam-hating sites or pure raciest becasue you are encouraging and bringing hatred toward a group of people (Muslims). The Fact is, you people are wrong."

Let's see if basic set theory (a junior high school subject in most places) will explain the difference between directing revulsion and contempt at Islamofascists as opposed to directing hatred toward Muslims.

Hope this helps.

15. Skeptic said:

For Rakib: Link