New Battle Lines

New Battle Lines

Orthodox and Israeli: When the Two Don't Mix

Asked to explain the institutionalized anti-religious practices he's encountered, Aaron replies, "It's the new nature of the cultural war in Israel. The great divide used to be the so-called right wing versus the so-called left wing. Essentially, whether or not to give up land to the Palestinians. Now the mask is coming off and the real battle is starting to be waged openly – religious nationalism versus anti-religious post-Zionism.

"More simply, is Israel supposed to be a Jewish state based on religious ideals or will it be a state like all others that just happens to be comprised mostly of Jews? At its core, it is what all the land withdrawals and proposed land withdrawals are about, and it's what my 'yarmulke problems' are about. That is the fight I am witnessing here. The victor will determine the future of Israel and the Jewish people."


Posted by Ted Belman at February 3, 2006 04:12 AM

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1. Jerusalem Posts said:

When the chips are down, like they were in Nazi Germany, integrated, Germanised Jews were treated in the same way as religious Jews... antisemitism doesn't differentiate!

Posted by: Jerusalem Posts on February 3, 2006 08:42 AM

2. Mary Hogan said:

Then, Jerusalem Post, how about viewing it in terms of warfare, this being spiritual. Amalek wasn't effected by removal of world, it attacked Moshe knowing full well that world was awed by the Jewish People at that point.

How do you destroy the enemy, the enemy being Ha Kodesh Baruch hu? You, Jerusalem Post need to stop seeing this through the eyes of Oprah, and see it through the eyes of Yirmiyahu.

A good son does not beat up other members of his father's family.

The Torah Jews of Israel are the holiest people on the planet. Make a clone, call it a Jew...wait a minute...Ahab, Jeraboam ben Nevat, oh yeah, Tzidkiah ben Kenaanah. How about Achitophel, what a seeming Sharon he was...oh excuse me, too much Torah for Sharon.

Posted by: Mary Hogan on February 3, 2006 09:29 AM

3. Jerusalem Posts said:

Mary, I have no idea what you're whittering about, but I know that in the eyes of antisemites, we're all the same... we're Jews!

Whether we're religious or not, we're still Jews and should be united and not in conflict.

As for Oprah - maybe you spend your time watching that rubbish, but I certainly don't.

Posted by: Jerusalem Posts on February 3, 2006 05:48 PM

4. Leonard said:

Its very easy to stereo-type Israelis from a distance. You have to recognise that Israel owes its re-establishment to both secular & religious zionists. Historically idealist jews from the (left) kibbutz movement settled inhospitable regions and were over-represented in Israels elite units whilst many ultra orthodox Jews managed to evade military service and devoted their life to religious study. Today their is a resurgence amongst the religious right particularly amongst the Yesha (West Bank) community who are dedicated to reclaiming the Jewish historic heartland and not ceding to arab & international pressure. Many secular & traditonal Jews are equally dedicated Zionists except an extremely vocal left-wing minority who I don't consider to be representative of all secular Jews. There are other issues that are of prime concern to the Israeli's and that includes the level of poverty and declining welfare support & the economy. Also don't forget that over a million arabs in Israel have full civic rights and their vote can prop up left-wing Israeli administrations, which is the priceIsrael pays for being an open & modern democracy.

Posted by: Leonard on February 3, 2006 06:49 PM

5. redbear said:

In the end the Jews regardless of their religious affiliation became the proverbial bar of soap or lampshade. It makes no difference to the anti semite whether a Jew is religious or not, what makes the difference is conviction. In America and elsewhere in the Western World, Jews have grown tired of being Jews and have not adapted to Christian Life. This appears to be the case in Israel as well. Israelis are no longer Zionists, nor do they believe in a Zionist State. They have in fact mirrored their enemies, namely the Nazis and are acting just like them.

Posted by: redbear on February 4, 2006 09:50 AM

6. Leonard said:

Redbear - whoever you are - do you ever think before you put pen to paper ? Do you have any idea how offensive your soap/lampshade holocaust imagery is to jews ? And as for comparing Israeli's to Nazis - don't be so ridiculous !

Posted by: Leonard on February 4, 2006 01:15 PM

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