Out of the Closet Jew-Haters
Laura: Liberals are the new nazis and are abetting the muslim murder of Jews. If the muslims are able to carry out their desire for a genocide of the Jews, it will be western liberals who would be guilty of paving the way.
As to the liberals contention that Stone isn’t an anti-Semite, these are people who scream accusations of “racism”, “islamophobia”, “homophobia” at the slightest criticism of their favored “victimized” groups.
And as to Hollywood’s defense of Stone, these are people who rallied around the child rapist Roman Polanski, so why would they have a problem with a rabid anti-Semite?
By CAROLINE B. GLICK, JPost
“Oliver stone joins Thomas, Gibson in ranks of out-of-closet Jew-haters.”
It’s springtime for Jew-haters. This week Oscar winning conspiracy theorist Oliver Stone joined Helen Thomas and Mel Gibson in the swelling ranks of out-of-the-closet celebrity Jew-haters. In an interview with The Sunday Times, Stone said that Adolf Hitler had been given a bum rap and that through “Jewish domination of the media,” the Jews have inflated the importance of the Holocaust and wrecked US foreign policy.
In the wake of criticism in Jewish circles, on Wednesday Stone’s publicist issued a mealymouthed clarification.
Stone failed to retract or amend his statement that “There’s a major lobby in the United States.
They are hard workers. They stay on top of every comment, the most powerful lobby in Washington.
Israel has f—ed up United States foreign policy for years.”
He also did not retract his view that Jews use the Holocaust to control American foreign policy.
Stone simply referred to his claim that Jews make too much of the Holocaust because the Germans killed more Russians than Jews as “clumsy.”
He then broadened his initial allegation that Jews make too much of the Holocaust by allowing that we are joined in our efforts by non-Jews.
And since non-Jews are involved also, he was wrong to criticize us.
As Stone put it, “The fact that the Holocaust is still a very important, vivid and current matter today is, in fact, a great credit to the very hard work of a broad coalition of people committed to the remembrance of this atrocity.”
(Emphasis added.) Stone still believes that the rounding up and exterminating of three-quarters of Europe’s Jews is really not as notable or morally troubling as high Russian wartime casualties, but it’s not solely Jews’ fault that people don’t share Stone’s views.
Arguably even more despicable than Stone’s display of Jew-hatred was the manner in which it was received. On the one hand, there was the thunderous silence of the media. And on the other hand there were the insistent, repeated attempts to justify his statements.
Readers’ talkbacks to write-ups of his remarks were rife with assertions that Stone’s statements were not bigoted. Many agreed that Jews dominate the media, and since they believe this is true, they argued that saying so is not a bigoted act. Others claimed that while Stone’s statements were inaccurate, there is no evidence that he hates Jews and therefore, his statements weren’t bigoted. At any rate, Patrick Goldstein of the Los Angeles Times and many others have argued, it would be wrong for Stone to be discredited for his attacks against Jews.
It is difficult to imagine that if someone trafficked in ethnic stereotypes about groups like blacks, and claimed that they wreck US foreign policy to serve their own nefarious aims, Goldstein and the talk-backers would defend him.
But then anti-Jewish bigotry has different rules than other hatreds.
Stone and his defenders are not alone in either their attitude towards Jews or their denial of their attitude towards Jews. Indeed, they are part of a worldwide trend.
TAKE THE situation in Malmo, Sweden. Last Friday, Jew-haters set off firecrackers outside a synagogue in Malmo. The blasts came a day after Jew-haters posted a bomb threat on the wall of the synagogue for the second time in two weeks.
Malmo is a hotbed of anti-Jewish violence and the Jews of the city are fleeing in droves.
Yet in the face of all this, Malmo’s non-Jews cannot bring themselves to acknowledge that there is a problem with anti-Semitism in their city.Continue
Shebrew has neglected to do the superfun linking thing, but this gives me a chance to get right into the swing of things.
Malmo is a hotbed of anti-Jewish violence and the Jews of the city are fleeing in droves.
Yet in the face of all this, Malmo’s non-Jews cannot bring themselves to acknowledge that there is a problem with anti-Semitism in their city
The Swedes don’t have a fucking clue what’s happening to their Jewish neighbors, kind of like the Nazi-era Germans.
Jews never learn. They always figure that history will never catch up to them and they always trust the Christians to behave un-Christian.
Stupid Jews I have no sympathy for them.
These guys ARE idiots!! Perhaps Jews should stop trying to educate the world…LET THEM fall into the trap they are preparing for themselves…only FOOLS despise knowledge …
I agree totally with Mir. The more we Jews “educate” people to like us, the worse things become. Hell, why should they like us when they don’t even like or respect themselves?
The closet is so much bigger than the bedroom, and growing.
I just don’t get it.
Growing up in a community where very little, if any anti-Semitism existed, I never paid much attention as I do now visiting this site and Caroline Glick’s site.
I just don’t get it.
We don’t come into the world hating anyone, yet to the oldest persons alive Jews since then have done nothing to warrant hate.
In fact in this same period of time, Jews were being persecuted. So you would think the world would show compassion not hate.
So tell me please what generates anti-Semitism??
Ron your question is too big to answer here. I expect however, that you already know the answer, but you are overwhelmed by it. I don’t think anyone can neatly package an answer for you. You can however, do that yourself.
The Jews’ status as chosen people is politically incorrect. The concept is not racist: unlike the black/white skin-color distinction, anyone can join the chosen people by converting properly. It makes little sense to fool Gentiles with the “we’re chosen but not better than you” tune. Of course, it’s better to be chosen than not. Chosen-ness means the greatest imaginable advantage in the most valuable sphere of all, in the transcendental realm. The Torah is explicit: Jews were chosen in order to raise us up (Exodus 20:17). In our prayers, we thank G-d for having chosen us from among all nations and exalting us above all towns. It’s great to be chosen by the biggest authority in the universe.
Being a good Jew is tremendously more difficult than being a good Gentile. Many Jews do not live up to their chosen-ness, but we don’t believe that the divine choice was in vain. The love we’re supposed to share is curiously one-sided. I’ve yet to find a nation which loves Jews. Please, drop that mantra about the United States; about a quarter of its population holds anti-Semitic views, just like in Europe. Nor is it natural for one nation to love another. Compatriots cooperate, communities compete.
All human beings cherish their peculiar beliefs—at the expense of those with different beliefs.
Ignorant and dishonest rabbis proclaim that Jews should embrace Gentiles because we’re a light unto the nations. If we embrace, we assimilate. The ignorant reform rabbis want assimilation while the dishonest ones want not to be a light; Boro Park, Brooklyn is isolated from the rest of America like the other side of the Moon. In order to be a light, we don’t rush to be close with anyone. A beacon provides ships with the guiding light, but it doesn’t rush toward them. Like a beacon, we stand up and proudly show our observances. If you like them—welcome. If you despise them, we don’t care.
Anti-Semitism is good for Jews, as it pushes the weak ones to assimilate and the stronger ones to unite.
A case can be made that antisemitism is G-d ordained to keep some Jews in in the fold so to speak. Otherwise they would have disappeared ages ago.
An age old question that volumes of books on the issue fail to answer satisfactory.
The short answer IMHO, is that, people who desire to be or replace G-d, see Jews in their way.
Don’t assume I know the answer because I don’t. Now call me naive and I probably am. Having said that, sure I heard some Jewish Jokes, likewise Polish and Italian jokes, but I don’t put too much faith in them.
My own experience with Jews has been as good as it is with anyone. My doctor until he passed away, was Jewish. I have used a Jewish attorney in the past. I shop at Jewish stores, have Jewish clients. I had Jewish friends growing up, one a close neighbor.
They never told me they committed any crimes.
Only to the extend there is no overwhelming evidence of any wrong doing.
Uncle, anti-Semitism is not good for Jews or gentiles. Anti-Semitism is wrong in every respect. If weak Jews want to assimilate, them let them do so. As far as Jews being G-d’s chosen people, I don’t have a problem with that, G-d/God has demonstrates His love by returning His people to the land He so provided. I certainly don’t feel neglected by it all. In fact I am impressed.
ron lets face facts and reality, for most Jews the only reason they still remain Jews is due to antisemitism. The writer Bernard Malamud once said “That if a Jew ever forgot he was a Jew a Gentile would remind him”. If Hitler just wanted to do away with Jews as Jews all he had to do was to love them. They all would have assimilated in a few generations. He couldn’t do it because of the Nazi racial beliefs and subsequent laws, so Hitler did what all Christian societies have wanted to do for 1600 years solve the Jewish problem. That’s why all of Christian Europe either supported Hitler in this or were apathetic. Few were actually against including America who in 1944 polls viewed Jews more of a threat to America than Germany and Italy, that that was after news of mass exterminations by Nazis and published in all MSM. How many years ago was that? Do you think people change in so short a time span or human nature?
ron think of irrational antisemitism symbolically. The Jews represent the G-d of Israel against all of the nations of the world. The Jew says we have the truth and our existence is proof. Both Christianity and Islam came into being based on another set of truths denying the Jews and Judaisms and assuming under each theology that the Jew has been superseded (replaced). As long as the Jew does exist we clog the Christian and Muslim theology. Neither theological Christianity and Islam can abide by ascendant Jews living in the Land of Israel as sovereign with both wealth an power. That destroys the core theology of Christianity and Islam. There is a lot more but this is the kernel upon which all other antisemitic manifestations rest.
Uncle, I guess that’s the problem with Christianity and Islam, how sad.
Why does it have to be like that?
Thank G-d/God that wasn’t the Christianity I was brought up on.
In fact if I were to visit Israel, I would pray at the wall. I may be naive but I ain’t stupid.
Damn, you have to believe if G-d/God led the Jews back to the Holy Land, you can rest assure He is there and will hear your prayers.
You know we’re not at opposite poles. Fighting for the right to claim what??
Like sister taught us in school, “if you a Catholic, Protestant or Jew, you no doubt will be a good citizen”. She never down graded anyone’s faith.
Time to end religious wars, I am sure they are not pleasing to G-d/God.
What causes antisemitism? In a nutshell I would have to say JEALOUSY – misplaced, displaced jealousy. From that jealousy we get propaganda and LIES! Gentiles do not like the fact that Jews are different. And they abhor the fact that Jews are G-ds Chosen Ones, special. ONLY a Jew could possibly understand what that REALLY means.
Antisemitism like all forms of prejudice is a product of envy, ignorance and a dislike and distrust for the other. When we come to anti-Israel sentiments it gets a lot more complicated.
Let me clarify, the Jerusalem Post, the home of Caroline Glick,Barry Rubin,is a mainstream Right Wing Israeli publication.Yet JP published verbatim the following speech, a speech that is more harmful ro Israeli interests that what may be found in most left wing organs. Israel is being hammered by the arabs,muslims, heredi groups, left wing intellectuals, America and now the hatred is filtering into those who usually defended the State in the past.
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What’s in it for America?
By CHAS FREEMAN
08/01/2010 22:48
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There are many reasons for Americans to wish the Jewish state well. Under current circumstances, strategic advantage for the United States is not one of them. If we were to reverse the question, however, and to ask whether the United States is a strategic asset or liability for Israel, there would be no doubt about the answer.
American taxpayers fund between 20 and 25 percent of Israel’s defense budget (depending on how you calculate this). Twenty-six percent of the $3 billion in military aid we grant to the Jewish state each year is spent in Israel on Israeli defense products. Uniquely, Israeli companies are treated like American companies for purposes of US defense procurement. Thanks to congressional earmarks, we also often pay half the costs of special Israeli research and development projects, even when – as in the case of defense against very short-range unguided missiles – the technology being developed is essentially irrelevant to our own military requirements. In short, in many ways, American taxpayers fund jobs in Israel’s military industries that could have gone to our own workers and companies.
Meanwhile, Israel gets pretty much whatever it wants in terms of our top-of-the-line weapons systems, and we pick up the tab.
Identifiable US government subsidies to Israel total over $140 billion since 1949. This makes Israel by far the largest recipient of American giveaways since World War II. The total would be much higher if aid to Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, and support for Palestinians in refugee camps and the occupied territories were included. These programs have complex purposes but are justified in large measure in terms of their contribution to the security of the Jewish state.
Per capita income in Israel is now about $37,000 – on a par with the UK. Israel is nonetheless the largest recipient of US foreign assistance, accounting for well over a fifth of it. Annual US government transfers run at well over $500 per Israeli, not counting the costs of tax breaks for private donations and loans that aren’t available to any other foreign country.
THESE MILITARY and economic benefits are not the end of the story. The American government also works hard to shield Israel from the international political and legal consequences of its policies and actions in the occupied territories, against its neighbors, or – most recently – on the high seas. The nearly 40 vetoes the United States has cast to protect Israel in the UN Security Council are the tip of iceberg. We have blocked a vastly larger number of potentially damaging reactions to Israeli behavior by the international community. The political costs to the United States internationally of having to spend our political capital in this way are huge.
Where Israel has no diplomatic relations, US diplomats routinely make its case for it. As I know from personal experience (having been thanked by the then Government of Israel for my successful efforts on Israel’s behalf in Africa), the US government has been a consistent promoter and often the funder of various forms of Israeli programs of cooperation with other countries.
It matters also that America – along with a very few other countries – has remained morally committed to the Jewish experiment with a state in the Middle East. Many more Jews live in America than in Israel. Resolute American support should be an important offset to the disquiet about current trends that has led over 20 percent of Israelis to emigrate, many of them to the United States, where Jews enjoy unprecedented security and prosperity.
Clearly, Israel gets a great deal from us. Yet it’s pretty much taboo in the United States to ask what’s in it for Americans. I can’t imagine why.
We need to begin by recognizing that our relationship with Israel has never been driven by strategic reasoning.
It began with President Truman overruling his strategic and military advisers in deference to personal sentiment and political expediency. We had an arms embargo on Israel until Lyndon Johnson dropped it in 1964 in explicit return for Jewish financial support for his campaign against Barry Goldwater. In 1973, for reasons peculiar to the Cold War, we had to come to the rescue of Israel as it battled Egypt. The resulting Arab oil embargo cost us dearly. And then there’s all the time we’ve put into the perpetually ineffectual and now long defunct “peace process.”
STILL THE US-Israel relationship has had strategic consequences.
There is no reason to doubt the consistent testimony of the architects of major acts of anti-American terrorism about what motivates them to attack us. In the words of Khaled Sheikh Mohammed, who is credited with masterminding the 9/11 attacks, their purpose was to focus “the American people … on the atrocities that America is committing by supporting Israel against the Palestinian people ….”
As Osama Bin Laden, purporting to speak for the world’s Muslims, has said again and again: “we have . . .stated many times, for more than two-and-a-half decades, that the cause of our disagreement with you is your support to your Israeli allies who occupy our land of Palestine ….” Some substantial portion of the many lives and the trillions of dollars we have so far expended in our escalating conflict with the Islamic world must be apportioned to the costs of our relationship with Israel.
It’s useful to recall what we generally expect allies and strategic partners to do for us. In Europe, Asia, and elsewhere in the Middle East, they provide bases and support the projection of American power beyond their borders.
They join us on the battlefield in places like Kuwait and Afghanistan or underwrite the costs of our military operations.
They help recruit others to our coalitions. They coordinate their foreign aid with ours. Many defray the costs of our use of their facilities with “host nation support” that reduces the costs of our military operations from and through their territory. They store weapons for our troops’, rather than their own troops’ use. They pay cash for the weapons we transfer to them.
Israel does none of these things and shows no interest in doing them. Perhaps it can’t. It is so estranged from everyone else in the Middle East that no neighboring country will accept flight plans that originate in or transit it. Israel is therefore useless in terms of support for American power projection. It has no allies other than us.
It has developed no friends. Israeli participation in our military operations would preclude the cooperation of many others. Meanwhile, Israel has become accustomed to living on the American military dole. The notion that Israeli taxpayers might help defray the expense of US military or foreign assistance operations, even those undertaken at Israel’s behest, would be greeted with astonishment in Israel and incredulity on Capitol Hill.
Military aid to Israel is sometimes justified by the notion of Israel as a test bed for new weapons systems and operational concepts. But no one can identify a program of military R&D in Israel that was initially proposed by our men and women in uniform. All originated with Israel or members of Congress acting on its behalf. Moreover, what Israel makes it sells not just to the United States but to China, India, and other major arms markets. It feels no obligation to take US interests into account when it transfers weapons and technology to third countries and does so only under duress.
Meanwhile, it’s been decades since Israel’s air force faced another in the air. It has come to specialize in bombing civilian infrastructure and militias with no air defenses. There is not much for the US Air Force to learn from that. Similarly, the Israeli navy confronts no real naval threat. Its experience in interdicting infiltrators, fishermen, and humanitarian aid flotillas is not a model for the US Navy to study. Israel’s army, however, has had lessons to impart. Now in its fifth decade of occupation duty, it has developed techniques of pacification, interrogation, assassination, and drone attack that inspired US operations in Fallujah, Abu Ghraib, Somalia, Yemen, and Waziristan. Recently, Israel has begun to deploy various forms of remote-controlled robotic guns. These enable operatives at far-away video screens summarily to execute anyone they view as suspicious. Such riskfree means of culling hostile populations could conceivably come in handy in some future American military operation, but I hope not. I have a lot of trouble squaring the philosophy they embody with the values Americans traditionally aspired to exemplify.
It is sometimes said that, to its credit, Israel does not ask the United States to fight its battles for it; it just wants the money and weapons to fight them on its own. Leave aside the question of whether Israel’s battles are or should also be America’s. It is no longer true that Israel does not ask us to fight for it. The fact that prominent American apologists for Israel were the most energetic promoters of the US invasion of Iraq does not, of course, prove that Israel was the instigator of that grievous misadventure.
But the very same people are now urging an American military assault on Iran explicitly to protect Israel and to preserve its nuclear monopoly in the Middle East. Their advocacy is fully coordinated with the government of Israel. No one in the region wants a nuclear-armed Iran, but Israel is the only country pressing Americans to go to war over this.
Finally, the need to protect Israel from mounting international indignation about its behavior continues to do grave damage to our global and regional standing. It has severely impaired our ties with the world’s 1.6 billion Muslims. These costs to our international influence, credibility, and leadership are, I think, far more serious than the economic and other burdens of the relationship.
Against this background, it’s remarkable that something as fatuous as the notion of Israel as a strategic asset could have become the unchallengeable conventional wisdom in the United States. Perhaps it’s just that as someone once said: “people … will more easily fall victim to a big lie than a small one.”
Be that as it may, the United States and Israel have a lot invested in our relationship. Basing our cooperation on a thesis and narratives that will not withstand scrutiny is dangerous. It is especially risky in the context of current fiscal pressures in the United States. These seem certain soon to force major revisions of both current levels of American defense spending and global strategy, in the Middle East as well as elsewhere. They also place federally- funded programs in Israel in direct competition with similar programs here at home. To flourish over the long term, Israel’s relations with the United States need to be grounded in reality, not myth, and in peace, not war.
I don’t think they are different.
Wrong again, I don’t have a problem with that. No argument here. I believe they are G-d’s chosen Ones.
We all need to remember there are a number of open highways to reach G-d/God and you won’t find any pot holes along the way.
The only road blocks you will find are those created by ourselves.
Perhaps the Jew doesn’t need to so called reach G-d. Is it not possible that the time has come that G-d OWES the Jewish people an explanation? That G-d should be reaching out to the Jewish people rather than the other way around. Walk a mile in my shoes BEFORE you make such statements please.
Getting a little preachy are we? Perhaps its the other way around. Perhaps G-d owes the Jewish people an explanation. Perhaps G-d should be reaching out to the Jew rather than the other way around.
No, not really. Just to let you know all the reasons given are not valid or worthy to be anti-Semitic and you certainly can’t hate anyone for them being God’s chosen ones nor are they by means different.
What is really sad is some of this hatred runs deep and I bet you, if you were to challenge or question anyone who is anti-Semitic their reasoning, they couldn’t answer you. At least not an intelligent answer.
Who said anything about valid? Thats the whole point. There is no valid reason to hate a Jew … unless that Jew has done something to cause it would brings shame to the entire family. I am exposed to antisemites EVERY DAY OF MY LIFE and my tolerance level has become NEGATIVE ZERO. However, there is a fine line and I REFUSE TO CROSS IT…if I do then I am no different than them. Antisemites will treat you like their best friend – until they find out your Jewish. As I challenged one with that and said to him … so 20 minutes ago you liked me (this was a former co worker) now all of a sudden you hate me? I am no different now than I was 20 minutes ago … and I laugh and walk and shake my headed. I accept that I am hated for all the wrong reasons and if they get religious on me I tell them I am not interested. I have heard it all, over and over and over again. And if they REALLY BELIEVE THAT THEY HAVE A LEGITIMATE COMPLAINT ABOUT ME I tell them tn go tattle tale to G-d because I am frankly sick and tired of listening to their mumbo jumbo. Thats right I SHUT THEM UP!
P.S. sorry for the grammar and typos. I am mobiling right now.
Your perfectly right.
Fortunately I grew up with my Jewish neighbors and friends and knew up front they were Jewish and it didn’t matter.
What’s mobiling?
Yamit, using my mobile phone, cell phone. Doing a balancing act as I am doing laundry at the same time … lol (laugh out loud)
Not bad, lets make it really tough can we add cooking or doing windows to the balancing act?
Funny boi! No prob. Got the window thing down to a science. Can open and close them with great ease and I am ALWAYS cooking up something.
J
Uncle Nahum (Yamit), you okay?
Rongrand
Yes we are chosen and we have dropped the ball. We Jews (including Israel) have abandoned Hashem. Our state is not really one that adheres to the precepts of Torah. Hashem is punishing us for our betrayal of HIM.
The increase in antisemitism, the downward trajectory of the fortunes of Israel is a reflection of Hashem’s acute displeasure with our evil behavior.
Here you make many assumptions, A- that you undertand how hashm operates in our world, B- That you understand G-d’s intentions and attribute human emotions to the creator of all things. (The RAMBAM would be turning in his grave over your description)
There was never a pure Torah society and government in the Land of Israel. Paganism and foreign influences always competed with Jewish values and Jewish law. Antisemitism has always been with us even from the time of HAMAN.
Taking your thinking to it’s logical progression the six million died because of Hashem’s acute displeasure with their evil behavior.
Maybe you are correct. They rejected G-d by clinging to the exile instead of coming home to the Land a Israel. The primary mitzvah: Yishuv Eretz Yisrael. That means all those Haredim in America are causing a great Chilul Hashem, and they should know better. So their great sin is thus compounded.
Source Halakha 12:
The Jew living outside the Land, constitutes the worshipping of idols because doing so denies the foundations of the Torah, i.e., the enactment of the Torah, and the living by the statutes of the Law. The project of enacting the Torah can only be legally accomplished in the Land as defined by the Law. The goal of Jewish practice is a single idea that can be dissected into three interrelated and independent subsections. The single idea is to know G-d, that is, to love G-d since the limits of human knowledge subject man’s knowing of G-d to the loving of Him.
There is such a notion in Jewish law because the foundation of Jewish practice is founded upon the creation of an autonomous Jewish political entity in the Land of Israel.
I’m OK ron thanks for asking. I have another 5 days on this antibiotic cycle and I do have some fever recurrences now and then. I have a handle on it, again thanks for asking.
Good to know but I’d love to see what your cooking up now, just a glimpse would satisfy my overactive curiosity
Uncle, good to hear your doing better. Need to stay away from the infections.
Like you I am getting disappointed in the PM. He should not play into the hands of this administration. They are lairs and cannot be trusted.
He is being influence too much by outside sources.
First of all Israel doesn’t have to satisfy whims of others, her people and territorial rights come first.
I would not engage in any dialogue with this president or his administration. Come November hopefully there will be major changes and this idiot will be a lame duck.
The US needs Israel, take Israel out of the equation and you have Arab chaos. The US needs to support Israel and let the Arab world know it.
Israel needs a stronger PM
ron you know my opinion on BB.
Correction: The JP is a left wing rag that promotes all left wing narratives. Even Ha’aretz features a few right wing Op eds.
Yamit, I think you are being too harsh. One has to be careful to not fall in the trap of DIVIDE, SO WE CAN CONQUER … There are many worldwide situations that prevent a Jew from being able to return to the Homeland. I neither hold the Jews or G-d accountable for this awful curse that seems to plague the Jewish people. However, I do hold the Catholic and Christian Church very responsible. Even if there was no Islam the Jew would still have to contend with that. Most of my life has been with Catholics, Christians and Jews. I am a fool for the Jew, and I know it and embrace it … but there are times … stay tuned
stay tuned
So furthermore Yamit, I have made the mistake of defending the wrong Jew. NEVER AGAIN! The backlash is too severe. I would and do defend the Jews as a people and I am a strong supporter of Israels right to exist as a Jewish state but … I would think twice before defending an individual … I would have to know them personally to see that they are worthy of the backlash. I live in Canada and Canada has broken my heart … Oh Canada dont make me choose … you make me choose … you lose
Yamit:
Israel would greatly benefit if your beloved haredim left Israel for America, Germany or anyplace else other than remain in Israel.
They make for great citizens.
- They are highly productive in producing offspring (one of the highest birthrates in the world)- lowest productivity in the area of work. Most of the time they are sitting on there collective asses praying.
- Uninterested in technology.
- refuse to fight for their country and yet insist on high gov’t subsidies for their religious schools
- Do not recognize Israeli courts, the Israeli flag, the national anthem or just about any Israeli institution.
- Make beating their wives a national sport.
- Would love to have Israel turn back the clock to the good old middle ages.
- Amongst themselves will favor yiddish over hebrew.
If they continue proliferating as the have (like rabbits)will pose a major security threat for Israel’s future. They can be regarded as Hamas’s secret weapon.
sheblew:
The Swedes don’t have a fucking clue what’s happening to their Jewish neighbors, kind of like the Nazi-era Germans
Is that it or is there a punch line to come?
Canadian? Do you know Kendraa (Hymie) He is a Canadian and seems to like the place. It’s Israel and most Jews he hates, then he is a raving lunatic. He loves stupid, stinking fairy fagot poets like Dylan Thomas. What about you?
Like who do you think is fucking religious posting on Israpundit?
Yamit:
Melachim II – II Kings – Chapter 1
Chapter 1
1. Moab rebelled against Israel after Ahab’s death. ?.
2. Now Ahaziah fell through the lattice in his upper chamber that was in Samaria, and he became ill; and he sent messengers and said to them, “Go inquire of Baal-zebub, the god of Ekron, whether I will recover from this illness.” ?.
3. But an angel of the Lord spoke to Elijah the Tishbite [saying], “Arise, go up toward the king of Samaria’s messengers, and speak to them, [saying], ‘Is it because there is no God in Israel, that you go to inquire of Baal-zebub the god of Ekron? ?.
4. Therefore, so has the Lord said, “From the bed upon which you have ascended you will not descend, for you shall die.” ‘ ” And Elijah went. ?.
5. And the messengers returned to him, and he said, “Why have you returned?” ?.
6. And they said to him, “A man came up toward us and said to us, ‘Go return to the king who sent you, and you shall speak to him, [saying,] “So has the Lord said, ‘Is it because there is no God in Israel that you send to inquire of Baal-zebub, the god of Ekron? Therefore, from the bed upon which you have ascended, you will not descend, for you will die.’ ” ?.
7. And he spoke to them, saying, “What was the manner of the man who came up toward you, and spoke these words to you?” ?.
8. And they said, “He was a hairy man, with a leather belt girded around his waist.” And he said, “He is Elijah the Tishbite.” ?.
9. And he sent to him a captain of fifty men and his fifty men; and he went up to him, and behold, he was sitting on a mountain top, and he spoke to him, saying, “O man of God, the King has spoken; come down!” ?.
10. And Elijah replied, and spoke to the captain of fifty, “Now, if I am a man of God, let a fire come down from the heaven and consume you and your fifty men!” And a fire came down from heaven and consumed him and his fifty men. ?.
11. And again he sent to him another captain of fifty and his fifty men, and he raised and spoke to him, saying, “O man of God, so said the King, ‘Come down quickly!’ ” ??.
12. And Elijah raised his voice and spoke to them, [saying,] “If I am a man of God, let a fire come down from heaven and consume you and your fifty men!” And an enormous fire came down from heaven and consumed him and his fifty men. ??.
13. And again he sent a third captain of fifty and his fifty men; and the third captain of fifty climbed up and came and kneeled on his knees opposite Elijah and implored him and spoke to him, saying, “O man of God, may my soul and the soul of these fifty servants of yours be precious in your eyes. ??.
14. Behold, a fire has come down from heaven and consumed the first two captains of fifty and their fifties; now may my soul be precious in your eyes.” ??.
15. And the angel of the Lord spoke to Elijah, saying, “Go down with him: fear him not.” And he arose and went down with him to the king. ??.
16. And he spoke to him, saying, “So has the Lord said, ‘Since you sent messengers to inquire of Baal-zebub the god of Ekron (Is it because there is no God in Israel to inquire of His word?), therefore, from the bed upon which you have risen, you will not get down, for you shall die.’ ” ??.
17. And he died according to the word of the Lord that Elijah had spoken; and Jehoram reigned in his stead in the second year of Jehoram the son of Jehoshaphat, the king of Judah, for he had no son. ??.
18. And the remaining deeds of Ahaziah that he did are written in the book of the chronicles of the kings of Israel. ??.
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Rongrand:
Those are indeed very wise words. When we sin the Almighty will inevitably punish us. When we do good deeds we are rewarded by Hashem. So it is our behavior, good or bad that will dictate our fortunes. Rongrand, you express yourself as a son of Israel., despite be born into another religion.
chbd:what better ways are there to spend your time instead of being brainwashed in a Church on Sunday mornings, at youth groups, at Christian meetings at uni, during personal prayer sessions and bible reading? Life is too short to spend on such things, I wouldnt invest all the time I have in this lifetime in hope of a better afterlife since there is no guarantee of it, as in I have never see evidence of an afterlife after death, so I see religion as a mental disease and a huge gamble on life. Surely you can spend more time on self improvement and on helping the rest of the world rather than reading from an ancient bible that has no relevance to modern day life.
from an Actuarial background, Gambling is worthwhile on 2 occasions.
1. IF there is one outcome
2. If the expected[average] payoff is better than even, which is calculated from looking at the possible payoffs and their probabilities of occurence. Since the “afterlife” can never be proven or seen by the naked eye from people in our dimension, the positive payoff for this gamble is non existent. On the other hand, the negative payoff which is the valuable time consumption is very very real.
Nothing is more dangerous than an idea when it is the only one you have. This is especially true of fundamental religious people.
URL: http://able2know.org/topic/62432-1
chbd: Nothing is more dangerous than an idea when it is the only one you have =, especially if you happen to be a religious fundamentalist.
We learned that very bitter lesson from the numerous bloody religious wars fought over the years.
The F word? Someone wants to get hung up on the F word? I have had a gun to my head a knife to my throat been beaten almost beyond recognition been drugged had my brake line slashed and was dragged into court by a minister for calling him a Bastard. I didnt appreciate being stalked by a religious kook neighbour. Its too bad I didnt call him a Fucking Bastard for all the hell he put me through. This idiot told the judge that he was a Minister and that I swore at him. The judge said that might not be nice but its not illegal. Then he proceded to tell the judge a pack of unfounded lies so I had to sign a peace bond. WHAT AN INSULT. NEVER AGAIN. Walk a mile in my shoes.
Hi Yamit. Sorry its taken me so long to get back to you. Still doing the balancing act. WoW that was quite the diatrab on the F word eh? Canada hmmm. No comment at the moment. I have one Jewish parent and one Catholic parent and was raised by the Catholic parent. I left the church in my youth and ended up with the Christians for awhile but am in the process of a Jewish conversion. I want the right of return. I want to come home.
Laura: Your recent suggestion that the U.S. sever ties with Great Britain has as much chance of being taken seriously as the possibility of America ceding Alaska (with Palin) back to Russia.
L.O.L.!!!!!!!!!!
From an islamist point of view that would be terrific news- a matter of divide and conquer.
kendraa: Too funny! But you got to admit Palin was very entertaining. She added some spice to American boring politics. Oh those Americans. So polarized. Over 300 million people and they STILL cant get past black or white.