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  • May 22, 2011

    ADL and NJDC: Obama’s Anti-Israel Garbage Doesn’t Stink

    Abraham Foxman, Democratic Party Judas Goat, puts Obama’s Re-election Above ADL’s Mission
    National Jewish Democratic Council (National Judenrat Democratic Kapos) Join in Whitewash
    by Bill Levinson

    A Judas goat is a tame animal whose function is to lead other herd animals into a meat packing factory to be “processed.” A Judas goat has no choice but ADL’s Abraham Foxman and the NJDC’s David A. Harris and Marc R. Stanley are in contrast shameless political prostitutes who place the well-being of the Democratic Party above that of the United States, its allies, and even the Jews they claim to represent. We have four words for you, Harris, Stanley, and Foxman: NOT IN OUR NAME.

    Abraham Foxman had this to say about Barack Obama’s statement that Israel should return to its indefensible pre-1967 borders:

      “I don’t see this as the president throwing Israel under the bus,” he [Foxman] told me. “He’s saying with `swaps.’ It’s not 1967 borders in the abstract. It’s not an edict. It’s a recommendation of a structure for negotiations. …The speech indicated to me that this administration has come a long way in better understanding and appreciating the difficulties facing both parties, but especially Israel in trying to make peace with the Palestinians,” Foxman said.

    NJDC Chair Marc R. Stanley and President and CEO David A. Harris said:

      NJDC is deeply grateful for the unwavering support for Israel shown today by President Barack Obama in this major speech, and the incredibly pragmatic, supportive steps forward he offered to address a decades-old problem facing our closest ally in the Middle East— Israel.

    This is what Marc Stanley and David Harris call “unwavering support for Israel” but they confuse it with their own unwavering support for the left-wing dregs of the Democratic Party. David A. Harris then attempted to spray even more air freshener on Obama’s steaming heap of anti-Israel excrement in a desperate attempt to cover up the smell:

      It’s laughable to suggest that President Obama insisted Israel return to 1967 lines, or that he said anything different from the policies of Presidents Bush and Clinton before him.

      …This speech was truly remarkable in how partial and pro-Israel it was.

      You’ve heard the spin. Do yourself and the truth a favor:

      1. Please pause right now and read the relevant text yourself.

    We did read the relevant text, in which the Catastrophe in Chief equates a Jew murdered by Hamas terrorists to Palestinian women who were killed accidentally when Israeli artillery fired on military targets. In other words, the Community Organizer sees no difference between the deliberate murder of a civilian by terrorists and the accidental death of civilians whom terrorists used as shields. Maybe Obama also believes the United States’ rare, accidental, and unintentional killing of civilians who are right next to Taliban or Al Qaida terrorists is morally equivalent to Al Qaida’s willful and intentional murder of 3000 Americans on 9/11. Obama said,

      I recognize how hard this will be. Suspicion and hostility has been passed on for generations, and at times it has hardened. But I’m convinced that the majority of Israelis and Palestinians would rather look to the future than be trapped in the past. We see that spirit in the Israeli father whose son was killed by Hamas, who helped start an organization that brought together Israelis and Palestinians who had lost loved ones. That father said, “I gradually realized that the only hope for progress was to recognize the face of the conflict.” We see it in the actions of a Palestinian who lost three daughters to Israeli shells in Gaza. “I have the right to feel angry,” he said. “So many people were expecting me to hate. My answer to them is I shall not hate. Let us hope,” he said, “for tomorrow.”

    Only an incompetent buffoon or a Judas goat would not be suspicious of people who say openly that they intend to throw all the Jews into the sea, display maps of an Israel-free “Palestine” “from the river to the sea,” and raise their children from birth to be murderous terrorists. Only an incompetent buffoon would not realize that his words just proved to the world that the United States does not put a price tag on terrorism. Obama just told the terrorists that they are free to cut the throats of as many Jewish children as they want (e.g. the Fogel family), fire as many rockets as they want, and break as many truces as they want without any fear of consequences such as Israel’s permanent annexation of some or even all the disputed territory.

    To this we add that only Judas goats who place the welfare of Obama’s wing of the Democratic Party above the security of the United States and its allies would use their Jewish identities to whitewash this, and this is far from the first time that ADL and NJDC have done this.

    Abraham Foxman’s Anti-Semitism enabling and Denial League (ADL)
    (1) In 2006, Abraham Foxman used ADL’s Jewish identity to rescue MoveOn.org from what would probably have been total destruction (it was crippled by having to take down its prized Action Forum) for welcoming anti-Semitic and other forms of hate speech at its Action Forum. Even though it was proven to ADL that Eli Pariser lied about MoveOn not knowing about the hate speech and even about removing more than a small fraction of it, ADL allowed the following statement to stand:

      ADL is pleased with Mr. Pariser’s responsiveness to our concerns and believes the matter has been resolved satisfactorily.

    We still have on record our E-mail to ADL that proved MoveOn lied about removing the hate speech, but Foxman’s ADL made itself a party to MoveOn.org’s lie by continuing to post the statement shown above. In other words, it was more important to Foxman’s ADL to protect a “Democratic” anti-Semitic and anti-Catholic hate group than it was to oppose anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry.

    (2) Abraham Foxman legitimized the vicious racist and anti-Semite Al Sharpton by issuing a joint statement with him. There are dozens of respectable African-American civil rights leaders with whom Foxman could have issued this statement but he chose instead the leader of an organization that shouted racial and anti-Semitic epithets along with arson threats at a Jewish-owned store (Freddy’s Fashion Mart), and also the same individual who falsely accused white people of raping Tawana Brawley the way the Ku Klux Klan once falsely accused Black men of raping white women so it could lynch itself a few Negroes.

    (3) We cannot say that Abraham Foxman engaged in outright denial of the Armenian Holocaust because he acknowledged that Armenians were in fact murdered by Turks but he nonetheless did his best to prevent Congress from speaking of the annihilation of the Armenians.

      Having said that, we continue to firmly believe that a Congressional resolution on such matters is a counterproductive diversion and will not foster reconciliation between Turks and Armenians and may put at risk the Turkish Jewish community and the important multilateral relationship between Turkey, Israel and the United States.

    Given Turkey’s recent actions against Israel, Abe, tell us how your whitewash of the Armenian genocide worked out for you. Can you say, “First they came for the…?” We remind our readers that Foxman fired an ADL director, Andrew Tarsy, for daring to contravene him on this issue whereupon two other ADL directors resigned in disgust. That’s real organizational leadership, isn’t it? Now here is another thought for Foxman, with only a slight rephrasing of his own words:

      Having said that, we continue to firmly believe that discussion of the Holocaust may put at risk the German Jewish community and the important multilateral relationship between Germany, Israel and the United States. We should therefore pretend that the Holocaust never happened.

    We finally remind Mr. Foxman that the world’s willingness to overlook the genocide of Armenians suggested to Adolf Hitler that he could get away with exterminating Jews and Poles; the latter were the subject of his infamous statement, “Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?” Abraham Foxman’s ADL: Where “Never Again” is Only a Slogan.

    National Jewish Democratic Council aka National Judenrat Democratic Kapos

    (1) NJDC also used its purportedly Jewish identity to whitewash MoveOn.org’s hate speech against Jews, Catholics, and others. “Jewish voters should take comfort in knowing that MoveOn.org is not a haven for anti-Semitism and the organization will renounce and remove any postings of the sort. Leave it to Republicans to not allow the truth to get in the way of campaigning. Sincerely, Ira Forman Executive Director National Jewish Democratic Council.” Ira Forman and the truth have very little in common, and his successor David A. Harris seems to be following right in his footsteps.

    (2) NJDC published an anti-Christian hate video that portrays Christian ministers, Jesus, and the Cross in a “This is the Enemy” context.

    (3) NJDC published anti-Semitic “Jews as Christian-haters” material to further undermine relations between Jews and Christians.

    (4) NJDC published a blood libel of the Christian computer game “Left Behind: Eternal Forces.” The blood libel consists of the knowingly false accusation that the game encourages players to kill anybody who won’t convert to Christianity.

    (5) NJDC condemned Mitt Romney for appearing at the museum of a long-dead EX-antisemite (Henry Ford, who retracted and repudiated “The International Jew”) while saying nothing about Barack Obama’s ongoing appearances with a live and unrepentant one (Al Sharpton). NJDC in fact accused those who call Obama out for the latter are engaging in sinat chinam (baseless accusations):

      For an example of how sinat chinam is beginning to inject itself into our community’s discourse, one need only look at the recent smears against Senator Obama aimed at Jewish voters. What started as fallacious emails claiming the senator is Muslim, was sworn in on the Koran, and cavorts with anti-Semites, etc., has now made its way into semi-respectable websites and even onto the op-ed page of the Jerusalem Post.

    Ira Forman at least lied intelligently this time by mixing one lie with two pieces of truth. Obama belonged to a racist but nominally Christian church as opposed to a mosque and he was not sworn in on the Koran. As for cavorting with anti-Semites, however, the following picture speaks for itself.

    Anti-Semitic TREIF alert: Sharpton and Obama

    The bottom line is that ADL and NJDC are, at least under their current leadership, Judas goats for those who wish harm not only to Israel but also to the United States and American Jews. American Jews need to stand up and disown these organizations with the words, NOT IN OUR NAME.

  • Posted by Bill Levinson @ 7:31 pm | 41 Comments »

    41 Comments to ADL and NJDC: Obama’s Anti-Israel Garbage Doesn’t Stink

    1. Proof that ADL knew MoveOn.org lied about not knowing about the anti-Semitic hate speech at its moderated Action Forum and also about removing it.

      From – Fri Sep 15 11:28:04 2006
      X-Mozilla-Status: 0001
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      Message-ID:
      Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:28:03 -0400
      From: “William A. Levinson” [E-mail deleted from Internet posting]
      User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax)
      X-Accept-Language: en-us, en
      MIME-Version: 1.0
      To: [ADL official, E-mail deleted from Internet posting]
      Subject: Anti-Semitic slurs NOT removed by MoveOn.org
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      Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

      Per our discussion: MoveOn.org may have gotten rid of “Jew Lieberman”
      and “media-owning Jewish pigs” but every single one of the following was
      online as of yesterday evening and the ones I checked are still online
      right now.

      In addition, MoveOn was not truthful about not seeing “Jew Lieberman”
      because it was extremely diligent about finding and removing things I
      posted, such as “When the N word is used, a lady or gentleman leaves the
      room or turns his back” as opposed to voicing approval of the slur–
      which is what the Action Forum participants did by voting “Agree” with
      anti-Semitic and in a couple of cases racist commentary. The worst of
      the latter said that Black soldiers should be segregated and disarmed
      because they are likely to mutiny over their “oppression” by Caucasians.

      http://www.actionforum.com/forum/scores.html?&comment_id=294678

      “We can all see how AIPAC/Israel has taken control of America. Not to
      get nasty but jews have a long history of subverting governments for
      their own enrichment and glory to the detriment of whole societies. Many
      more than “6 million” have died by semetic aggression, 100’s of millions
      even, remember the conqueror writes history. Even the roman empire
      feared jewish power.”

      http://www.actionforum.com/forum/scores.html?comment_id=294138 (5 of 6
      agree): 361 Representatives who labeled Hamas, a Foreign Terrorist
      Organization as defined by the U.S. State Department, a “terrorist
      sanctuary” are denounced as “316 Jews.”

      http://www.actionforum.com/forum/scores.html?&comment_id=304961 12 out
      of 14 agree, “Removing all Israeli obsessed Jews from congress would
      stop a lot of killing.”

      http://www.actionforum.com/forum/scores.html?&comment_id=302833 9 out of
      10 agree, “I respect everybody’s opinion but obviously some people hate
      Jews. I am sure they have their reasons but they should not let whatever
      bad experience they had with some Jews (and I am sure they had some)
      interfere with their judgment. ”

      http://www.actionforum.com/forum/scores.html?comment_id=302690 “American
      Jews pay the Israeli cowards to kill with missiles.”

      This one is very telling. A decent liberal posted an objection to an
      accusation that Jews had “hijacked” our democracy. 8 of 16 MoveOn Action
      Forum participants voted, “Disagree.”

      http://www.actionforum.com/forum/scores.html?comment_id=307781 “As
      an American (forget my ethnic heritage) I am offended and outraged that
      anybody would accuse the Jewish people of stealing, extorting, or
      swindling the news media or Democracy away from America.

      This is exactly the kind of Anit-Semetic attitude I see growing
      daily on MoveOn and I am embarrassed to be part of this forum for people
      like you.”

      And 14 of 21 voted to disagree with this protest against the
      anti-Semitic slurs:

      http://www.actionforum.com/forum/scores.html?&comment_id=306401
      “Jews do not view other human beings as expendable although Frank may be
      the exception. In fact, the Jewish religion is highly moral and ethical
      and introduced those concepts, along with the monotheism I’m guessing
      Frank believes in, to mankind. Moreover, Israel, unlike many other
      nations, has banned torture against its enemies – even though its
      enemies are bombarding its towns with missiles.”

      http://www.actionforum.com/forum/scores.html?&comment_id=307763 8 of 11
      agree, “Jewish, Joseph Lieberman supports Iraq war for Israel, the
      Lebanon war for Israel, and the oppression of Palestinians for Israel.
      He also supports sanctions and wars against Iran and Syria for Israel.”

      ======================
      http://www.actionforum.com/forum/scores.html?&comment_id=307659 8 of 10
      agree with the following:

      I hate using the word F—k mostly because it reflects poorly on me.

      A few Jews just doesn’t get it for me.

      The US house voted 410-8 in support of Israel and of course AIPAC
      and its supporters are in the US. There are a lot of these nasty Jews.

      You could write a book about the repugnant things the, push’em in
      to the sea tribe, has done. So how do we describe them?

      ====================

      http://www.actionforum.com/forum/scores.html?comment_id=307458 11 of 15
      agree that Israel should be boycotted.

      http://www.actionforum.com/forum/scores.html?comment_id=307308 19 of 21
      agree that “the The Israel Lobby Has Taken Over American Democracy”

      http://www.actionforum.com/forum/scores.html?&comment_id=307279 7 of 7
      agree that Israelis are ashamed of their Jewish past.

      =======================

      http://www.actionforum.com/forum/scores.html?&comment_id=310537
      If you are a Jew and want respect;

      Denounce Israel’s abuse and occupation of Palestinians for the last 50
      yrs and stop spreading the lies you heard on Fox Israel News.

      Condemn AIPACs manipulation of the US foreign policy.

      Read and acknowledge the validity of the “Israeli Lobby” papers.

      Until you do you’ll just sound like the Bush administration defending
      their reasons for going to war.

      If you just can’t do it deny that you are Jewish.

      Our parents abused some of us, some were drunks, some were divorced and
      some had Jewish parents. We don’t have to hang on to our past.

      ===========================

      In addition, this OFFICIAL MOVEON.ORG BULLETIN (not a loose cannon on
      their Action Forum) said this
      (http://www.moveon.org/moveonbulletin/bulletin13.html#8)

      PAX ISRAELICA?
      Nearly all PNAC participants, whether Jewish or Christian, are
      right-wing Zionists who support Ariel Sharon’s Likud Party. In 1996,
      Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, and others drafted a paper for incoming
      Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu urging him to make “a clean break”
      from the Oslo peace process preferring “peace through strength,”
      including the ouster of Saddam Hussein.
      http://www.israeleconomy.org/strat1.htm

      This essay describes many of the familiar neo-conservatives as having
      “dual loyalties,” making policy decisions in the interests of the State
      of Israel as much as the United States.
      http://www.counterpunch.org/christison1213.html

    2. Ben Tzion says:

      I repeat my comment as in a previous article:
      Why do Jews think they have an obligation to back the Democrat party, especially now? Do they think that it would be imprudent to not show some support for the Democrat party in order to have some influence on it with regards to Israel? So, what influence can you have with the Democrat party now that this low-life Chicago political hack back-stabbing politician, Obama, is USA president? As National Union chairman and Knesset Member Yaakov (Ketzaleh) Katz MK wrote to AIPAC, “He (Obama) put a gun to Israel’s head and asked it to commit suicide”. The Democrats can’t do any worse. Better to throw all Jewish money and support only to the Republican party in this coming election. Even if the Republicans put up a soda-pop can to run against Obama, it would be the better and wiser choice to give your money and your votes to the “soda-pop can”.

    3. J says:

      There was a documentary on PBS last night that explored the backstory of a Nazi propaganda film shot in the Warsaw ghetto. I could not help but notice the striking resemblance of Foxman et al to the Jewish actors who willingly participated in the demonization of their own people. And these MoveOn comments!! What a bunch of amoral freaks!!!!!

    4. Re: #3

      Foxman, David Harris, and Ira Forman would have made perfect extras for “The Eternal Jew.”

    5. Sonnyboy8080 says:

      Does Foxman own the ADL? Or is he simply an employee for life? What would it take to send him on his way?

    6. AmericanEagle says:

      And Kufar Dawg and BlandOatmeal are worried about Herman Cain? LOL!

    7. Paul Collins says:

      Now we know who the Anti-Christ is?

    8. AmericanEagle says:

      Paul Collins writes:
      Now we know who the Anti-Christ is?

      And Yamit and his gang say there is no Christ:-))

    9. SHmuel HaLevi says:

      Yesterday Mr. Netanyahu had a jolly time at AIPAC. I mention this since I am not sure the people in that gathering and around it understood the meaning of the PM playing with them in that fashion.
      The AIPAC brown nose divers and the so called adl were told very clearly where they stand by the venue taken by the PM… Those elements have been known for years for what they are and consequently the PM set them in the right prospective. Policy statements are on record already and will be conveyed to the US Congress and Senate and quite frankly such crowd’s reactions are irrelevant.
      Their actions regretfully represent the Judenrat and capo gangs and paint a sorry picture of the “Jewish leadershi.” in the US.

    10. Shy Guy says:

      AmericanEgo says:
      May 24, 2011 at 3:52 am

      And Yamit and his gang say there is no Christ:-))

      More accurately, it makes no difference whether he existed or not. In either case, he was nobody’s messiah.

    11. AmericanEagle says:

      Shy Guy writes:
      More accurately, it makes no difference whether he existed or not. In either case, he was nobody’s messiah.

      What else can someone say who has been patiently waiting for over 2,000 years for a train that has come and gone:-))

      HE was just as likely the Messiah as anything you are brainwashed into believing that is written in the Torah. HE was only rejected as the Messiah by the old time Pharisees and Rabbis because he turned their harsh and illogical philosophies and meaningless rules designed to brainwash the sheeple upside down.

    12. Yonatan says:

      While we’re still waiting, you continue to believe he’s going to come a 2nd time. He couldn’t get it done the first time – give him another crack at it, huh? Not that I believe that he even existed, it just doesn’t matter.

    13. Shy Guy says:

      AmericanBarfer says:
      May 24, 2011 at 7:21 am

      HE was just as likely the Messiah as anything you are brainwashed into believing that is written in the Torah.

      Was your pagan jesus mangod myth figure brainwashed into believing in the Torah or not?

      HE was only rejected as the Messiah by the old time Pharisees and Rabbis because he turned their harsh and illogical philosophies and meaningless rules designed to brainwash the sheeple upside down.

      What do you base yourself on? NT claims? circular reasoning.

      At least I can base the fact that he was nobody’s messiah on elementary scripture readings.

      Can’t refute anything I say with anything factual? Color all of us surprised.

    14. AmericanEagle says:

      Shy Guy writes:
      Was your pagan jesus mangod myth figure brainwashed into believing in the Torah or not?

      Only a pagan would call Jesus a pagan. His coming was foretold by the old Jewish prophets, but the Jews of his time were looking for someone on steroids who would support their exclusivity, intolerance, vengeance and picayne rules to facilitate brainwashing. He taught things made sense to thinking people, like love, tolerance, forgiveness, redemption and aiming for substance over meaningless form. So they rejected him, and now you are still waiting when HE has come and gone.

      What do you base yourself on?

      I base it on what HE taught versus what the old Rabbis taught and Pharisees acted on.

      At least I can base the fact that he was nobody’s messiah on elementary scripture readings.

      Oh, yeah? You must be using the OLD testament. We have a NEW Testament which says different.

      Can’t refute anything I say with anything factual? Color all of us surprised.

      I have just refuted everything you said – AGAIN. Color you red for embarrassment.

    15. Shy Guy says:

      AmericanEagle says:
      May 24, 2011 at 8:32 am

      Only a pagan would call Jesus a pagan.

      More specifically, christianity is paganism. Assuming your jesus existed and assuming he believed what has been practiced by Catholics and Protestants over the last 1900 years, then, yes, Jesus was pagan. A tremendous source of the nonsense you worship stems from Greco-Roman paganism.

      You’re welcome, pagan!

      His coming was foretold by the old Jewish prophets,

      Simply false. You keep whining the same claim over and over again, so I’ll just repost the facts for you not to deal with again:

      Jesus was not anyybody’s messiah

      When you try rebutting the disputation, perhaps somebody will start paying attention to your claims.

      In the meantime, we can all just laugh at your blatant hypocrisy, when less than an hour ago you wrote the following here on another subject:

      AmericanEagle says:
      May 24, 2011 at 8:41 am

      In religious beliefs there is no logical way to separate fact from fiction. It was all written by men based on their dreams and beliefs. Thus you have nothing factual to base your assumption on, only faith in what you have been taught.

      You are a fool’s fool. But don’t worry! You’re in good company.

    16. Shy Guy says:

      AmericanEagle says:
      May 24, 2011 at 8:32 am

      Oh, yeah? You must be using the OLD testament. We have a NEW Testament which says different.

      Let’s get you to cough this up a little more.

      The Tanach is false or contains falsehoods and therefore is totally unreliable?

      While the NT is 5000% true and accurate?

      Is there a name to the particular jesus church cult you belong to? Are you sort of like a half or full breed Marcionian?

      Just so we can place you in the correct padded cell.

    17. Shy Guy says:

      AmericanEagle says:
      May 24, 2011 at 8:32 am

      I have just refuted everything you said – AGAIN.

      Are you a 5 year old?

    18. Dr. Strangelove says:

      Bill Levinson,

      I want to thank you for this informational post. I’m not even going to bother debating it, because I know it’s a waste of my time on this site. In fact, I’m wasting my time right now. You’re vile, hate filled, filled with half-truths and right-wing spin article deeply offends me, and I’m sure many others. I am a strong supporter of Israel. However, the type of messages that come from your article, and many others on Israpundit, make it difficult for people like me to argue in defensive of Israel, something I do on a practically daily basis. You do yourself no justice by alienating people like me.

    19. Shy Guy says:

      Dr. Strangelove says:
      May 25, 2011 at 6:21 am

      Bill Levinson,

      I want to thank you for this informational post. I’m not even going to bother debating it, because I know it’s a waste of my time on this site.

      Buh-bye!

    20. Dr. Strangelove says:

      Keep not caring, Sly Guy! You’re only hurting your own cause. You people are too far gone to even understand that.

    21. Shy Guy says:

      Dang! You sure have a lotta time to waste!

    22. dweller says:

      “His [i.e., Christ's] coming was foretold by the old Jewish prophets…”

      YOU don’t get to use this claim, Eagle, because you’ve already asserted — many, many times — that the Tanach is purely the work of “well-meaning men” writing about their “dreams & fantasies,” etc.

      If he’s for real, and “was foretold,” as you say, in the writings of the prophets, then the Tanakh (where their prophecies are to be found) are likewise real — NOT “fantasies” & “dreams.”

      You can’t have it both ways; you’re boxed in, Mate.

      Shy, Yonatan & Yamit can, because they reject the Greek Scriptures.

      But YOU can’t, because Christians profess to believe both. If Christ is real, so is the Tanakh.

    23. Shy Guy says:

      dweller says:
      May 25, 2011 at 2:36 pm

      Ha! Ha! Dweller’s doin’ Satan’s deeds for us children of the Devil!

      :)

    24. AmericanEagle says:

      Dweller writes:
      YOU don’t get to use this claim, Eagle, because you’ve already asserted — many, many times — that the Tanach is purely the work of “well-meaning men” writing about their “dreams & fantasies,” etc.

      Even blind squirrels trip over an acorn every now and then.

      If he’s for real, and “was foretold,” as you say, in the writings of the prophets, then the Tanakh (where their prophecies are to be found) are likewise real — NOT “fantasies” & “dreams.”

      I’ve always said that HE’s as real as anything written in the Tanakh.

      You can’t have it both ways; you’re boxed in, Mate.
      Shy, Yonatan & Yamit can, because they reject the Greek Scriptures.
      But YOU can’t, because Christians profess to believe both. If Christ is real, so is the Tanakh.

      No so fast. Who cares what they reject? Of course they reject Christ because HE makes them look like ill-tempered, intolerant, vengeful morons who think picayune practices mean something other than their brains being washed. All this stuff was written by well meaning men, so they are all as credible as you want them to be.

      Shy Guy writes:
      Ha! Ha! Dweller’s doin’ Satan’s deeds for us children of the Devil!

      I just showed that Dweller is an illogical moron even when he’s doing Satan’s deeds:-))

    25. yamit82 says:

      AmericanEagle says: I just showed that Dweller is an illogical moron even when he’s doing Satan’s deeds:-))

      Tonto has spoken, oops wrong Indian, but the name still fits.

    26. AmericanEagle says:

      Yamit writes:
      Tonto has spoken, oops wrong Indian, but the name still fits.

      Right out of the Hamas playbook. The game is up, chump!

    27. dweller says:

      All this stuff was written by well meaning men, so they are all as credible as you want them to be.”

      So your notion of accepting “only credible sources” is purely a subjective proposition?

      So then, “all this stuff” includes the New Testament?

      And therefore Christ isn’t historically or objectively for real, just a fantasy like the rest of it?

      A nice concept, right? — That’s it?

      And if he’s just a fantasy, then his purportedly making Jews

      “look like ill-tempered, intolerant, vengeful, exclusivist morons who think picayune practices mean something other than their brains being washed”

      is LIKEWISE a fantasy?

      And moreover, IF he’s just a fantasy, then

      the notion that he “taught things that made sense to thinking people, like love, tolerance, forgiveness, redemption and aiming for substance over meaningless form”

      is ALSO a fantasy? (of “well-meaning men,” right?)

      “If he’s for real, and ‘was foretold,’ as you say, in the writings of the prophets, then the Tanakh (where their prophecies are to be found) is likewise real — NOT ‘fantasies’ & ‘dreams’.”

      “I’ve always said that HE’s as real as anything written in the Tanakh.”

      You know damned well that the issue was whether the TANAKH is as for real as he is, not vice versa.

      “I just showed that Dweller is an illogical moron…”

      Of course you did.

      The bottom line goes like this [now take good notes; there'll be a pop quiz in the morning]:

      “His [i.e., Christ's] coming was foretold by the old Jewish prophets…”

      “If Christ is real, so is the Tanakh.”

      If the first of these two blockquotes is a true statement,

      then so is the second of these two blockquotes ALSO a true statement.

      QUOD ERAT DEMONSTRANDUM, courtesy of your friendly “illogical moron even when he’s doing Satan’s deeds.”

      But then, “The Evil One knoweth not for Whom he worketh.”

    28. AmericanEagle says:

      Dweller writes:
      So your notion of accepting “only credible sources” is purely a subjective proposition?

      No. As usual you have caught the bull by the tail – you must like the view from that end. What I have been saying is that the New Testament is as credible as the Old Testament because they were both written by well meaning men based on what they believed based on their faith.

      You know damned well that the issue was whether the TANAKH is as for real as he is, not vice versa.

      I know nothing of the kind. They are both as real as your faith because neither can be proven by science.

      Of course you did.

      Thank you for finally admitting it.

      If the first of these two blockquotes is a true statement, then so is the second of these two blockquotes ALSO a true statement.

      No one knows for sure whether either is “true” – they are as true as your faith leads you to believe.

    29. yamit82 says:

      AmericanEagle says: No one knows for sure whether either is “true” – they are as true as your faith leads you to believe.


      We know! Watch this

    30. AmericanEagle says:

      Yamit writes:
      We know!

      If you knew you would know that these are not verifiable and therefore useless in political debate. Of course, that means nothing to the sabotage you are engaged in.

    31. yamit82 says:

      AmericanEagle says:
      May 26, 2011 at 9:39 pm

      Yamit writes:
      We know!

      If you knew you wouldknow that these are not verifiable and therefore useless in political debate. Of course, that means nothing to the sabotage you are engaged in.

      You didn’t watch the video I supplied you. Chicken!!!

    32. AmericanEagle says:

      Yamit wrote:
      You didn’t watch the video I supplied you. Chicken!!!

      For those of us with fully functioning brains, “Chicken!” is used for those who hide behind the scriptures to make political points in today’s world. No video can change that.

      BTW, I am not aware where it says in the Old Testament that Jews can malign their allies to benefit their enemies. You came up with that all on your own.

    33. yamit82 says:

      BTW, I am not aware where it says in the Old Testament that Jews can malign their allies to benefit their enemies. You came up with that all on your own.

      You didn’t watch the video!!! Chicken!!! The truth will set you free?

      Since when is voicing criticism and being critical construed to be maligning especially if the criticism is factually correct?

      Anyway I didn’t know we had any allies to Malign? Can you suggest one? Can you explain what constitutes an ally? If we have no real ally then I couldn’t possibly malign any could I?

    34. AmericanEagle says:

      Yamit writes:
      You didn’t watch the video!!! Chicken!!! The truth will set you free?

      Is that the “truth” as supposedly written by Moses? If it is, it wouldn’t fit a modern political discussion. If it isn’t, it would not fit your agenda.

      Since when is voicing criticism and being critical construed to be maligning especially if the criticism is factually correct?

      Not when it’s the Hamas version of “factually correct” which seeks to tear Israel down and weaken it.

      Anyway I didn’t know we had any allies to Malign?

      Your allies in Hamas are my mortal enemies.

      Can you explain what constitutes an ally? If we have no real ally then I couldn’t possibly malign any could I?

      Israel has only one ally. Fortunately, it is one commited to Israel’s survival as a Jewish democracy within defensible borders, with a population so supportive of Israel that even the most anti-Semitic president in history cannot shake, even one amazingly elected with the help of 78% of American Jews.

      Because of your common objectives and strategies your personal allies are the Gaza Boyz, a.k.a. Hamas. You malign them and you may wake up separated from your head.

      What more you got, dumbo?

    35. yamit82 says:

      AE you are running on empty. Unless you can convert shit into fuel (substance).

    36. AmericanEagle says:

      Yamit writes:
      AE you are running on empty. Unless you can convert shit into fuel (substance).

      You have been running on empty – between your ears – ever since I discovered you hiding in the weeds around Israpundit pretending to be a supporter of Israel while eating away at the foundations of the Israeli-American alliance like a hungry termite. I have been converting your shit into fuel for quite awhile and there’s so much of it each and every day that we can power an entire city:

      http://www.hindudharmaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2435

    37. yamit82 says:

      #36

      Only in your demented mind.

    38. AmericanEagle says:

      Yamit writes:
      Only in your demented mind.

      This is real technology specially designed to use the colossal quanitites of intestinal waste products generated by Yamit and his thugs. It is 2:20 am in Israel and Yamit is still shoveling for the benefit of others:-))

      http://www.hindudharmaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2435

    39. Yonatan says:

      AE’s appearance on any thread = kiss of death for any intelligent commenting. Its tiresome.

      AE will now follow with his “boilerplate” of “facts”.

    40. dweller says:

      “What I have been saying is that the New Testament is as credible as the Old Testament because they were both written by well meaning men based on what they believed based on their faith.”

      And therefore Christ isn’t historically or objectively for real, just a fantasy like the rest of it?

      A nice concept, right? — That’s it?

      Whatcha see is whatcha get, c’est tout?

      And if he’s just a fantasy, then his purportedly making Jews

      “look like ill-tempered, intolerant, vengeful, exclusivist morons who think picayune practices mean something other than their brains being washed”

      is LIKEWISE a fantasy? — you don’t know if it’s true?

      And moreover, IF he’s just a fantasy, then

      the notion that he “taught things that made sense to thinking people, like love, tolerance, forgiveness, redemption and aiming for substance over meaningless form”

      is ALSO a fantasy? (of “well-meaning men,” right?)

      And you’re a “practicing Catholic”?

      Would that be, as in… practicing to BECOME one?

      “I just showed that Dweller is an illogical moron…”

      Of course you did.

      Thank you for finally admitting it.

      Of course I did.

      What better way to communicate the depth of sarcasm the claim deserves.

    41. AmericanEagle says:

      Yonatan writes:
      AE’s appearance on any thread = kiss of death for any intelligent commenting. Its tiresome.

      What is tiresome are the idiots who try and shut up intelligent discussions by using religion and citing the scriptures to make their case.

      Dweller writes:
      And therefore Christ isn’t historically or objectively for real, just a fantasy like the rest of it?

      Here’s an example.

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