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  • December 30, 2011

    Is Another Holocaust Coming?

    The Signs Are There If Jews Only Open Their Eyes

    By Bill Narvey

    What? Another Holocaust could be just around the bend?

    Renowned conservative pundit, Mark Steyn sure seems to think so.

    An article, December 6th, 2011 in The Jewish Tribune out of Toronto by Joanne Hill, that likely has not received the attention it deserves, certainly raises the specter of another genocidal holocaust against the Jews, Western society complicit: Resurgence in antisemitism may lead to second Holocaust, Steyn says.

    Hill was reporting on a recent address by Steyn to about 1,000 people gathered at Toronto’s Reform Jewish synagogue, Holy Blossom Temple, which focused on resurgent antisemitism, particularly in Europe.

    The article’s title is taken from Steyn’s startling dire warning of what the future may hold for us Jews.

    Hysteria? Fear mongering? Maybe, but to what purpose and what is in it for Steyn who is not Jewish?

    Then again, taking a closer look at all the signs, maybe not.

    Maybe Steyn is spot on and what we are witnessing is the world stage being set for a final one act Holocaust reality play that will ultimately see the world rid of Israel and the Jews, once and for all.

    So, what are these signs?

    Jews know that the most ancient of evils, Jew hatred that has taken an unimaginable toll on the Jewish people throughout the millennia, is extant today.

    They know that while intractable and unbridled Jew hatred, be it in its purest form or in the guise of Israel hatred, while coming mostly from the Muslim world, is also coming from parts of the Christian and other non-Muslim world.

    That millennial old Christian Jew hatred, in recent years has been resurgent as Steyn notes, especially in Europe where Jew hatred is finding increasing expression by word and deed, not just from ordinary citizens, but from European religious, institutional, media and political leaders.

    Most, if not all 3rd world non-Muslim countries that have historically had little experience or even contact with Jews and Israel, have for a number of reasons, all bad, found common cause with Muslim nations in their hatred of Jews and Israel.

    China, a rising economic powerhouse, also having little to no historical experience and contact with Jews, is aligning with the Muslims, largely because of economic opportunities the Muslim world affords them.

    Similarly Eastern Europe, led by Russia, the evil empire as Regan called it, has a very long history of systemic Jew hatred throughout all levels of its society, again seeks to regain world superpower status by cozying up to the Muslim world where it finds many economic opportunities and by trying to build itself up, largely at the West’s expense.

    The former Soviet Union, armed the Arabs against Israel as has both Russia and China since. It is Russia that provided Iran the technology and assistance to develop its nuclear program. Both Russia and China have been instrumental in throwing sand in the gears of Western efforts to bring pressure on Iran through largely economic sanctions, to get Iran to abandon their nuclear agenda and WMD aspirations.

    Incidentally, Europe that is so dependent on Iranian crude and fearful of blowback should they support sanctions against Iran, have always been wishy washy in that regard and now have announced they are not supportive of sanctions.

    Iran talks out of both sides of its mouth when it denies it has any WMD aspirations (a denial that is undeniably false), but maintains its threatening posture and words that it is dedicated to wiping Israel off the map. Add to that, Iran is the greatest sponsor of Islamic Jihad, arming them to not only attack Israel, but the West.

    As for Jews – well Holocaust denying Iran, if it can pull the trigger on its goal of bringing a Holocaust to Israel, will be bringing that Holocaust to Jews the world over.

    At least the Soviets during the cold war were rational enough to know that a nuclear war with the West would destroy both, so the concept of M.A.D. held the Soviets in check. For Islamic Iran however, the concept of M.A.D. does not enter into the calculation of their national interests and aspirations.

    Iran’s leaders are moved only by their religion of Islam to believe that their religious prophecies leading to Islamic world supremacy can only be realized by their leading a deadly apocalyptic showdown with the non-Muslim world, with Israel being the first to go, regardless of how many Muslims must die in the process.

    The American led industrialized West, so dependent on Arab oil for almost a century has made itself increasingly vulnerable to the power of Arab oil and wealth.

    That economic reality was painfully brought home to the West with the Saudi led oil embargo of 1973 as payback for American and Western support of Israel during the 1973 Yom Kippur War that enabled Israel to avert being destroyed by the Jew hating genocidal minded Arabs.

    That unforgotten lesson and the strong likelihood that the Arabs will use such tactic again if American support of Israel exceeds the tolerance level of Arab Jew haters, weighs heavy on American and Western minds.

    America and the West repeatedly declare as a mantra that the vast majority of Muslims are good and decent people, while it is only a relatively very small number of Jihadists that threaten the West. The West knows full well however, that the majority, if not vast majority of the Muslim world are not only Jew haters, but a very great many of them have some sympathies at least, with the Jihadists who express and act on their profound hatred of Jews, Israel and the West.

    Fear of hostile and violent Muslim reaction against Western interests in the Muslim Middle East as well as on Western soil, is palpable. That fear too, figures largely in American and Western thinking, positions, policies and actions intended to protect and advance Western interests in the Muslim world and which have a corresponding negative impact on Israel.

    These Western policies that have been rightly called appeasement, have been evidenced in the anti-Israel rhetoric and deeds of many Western leaders and media organizations and in Pres. Obama’s various pronouncements such as his apology speech to Al Arabiyya, his Cairo apology tour, his Mid East policies and his continuously singling out Israel to wring concessions from and to blame for the Israel-Palestinian peace process going off the rails as well as on a number of other counts.

    What is also significant is that pervasive intractable Arab, Palestinian and Muslim Jew hatred and even their hatred of the West, barely gets mentioned these days, though it is the core reason why Israel has not managed to find a peace solution with the Palestinians and other Arab neighbors and a core reason that puts Western interests in jeopardy.

    One cannot ignore as well that the recent upheavals in the Middle East that began in Tunisia, have not led to an Arab Spring ushering in democracy, that the West hoped for. Rather, these upheavals have opened the door for Jew and Western hating Islamists to seize power and drag their people further back into Islamic and Jihadist tyranny.

    If that was not enough, Jew hatred is now a full blown sentiment and inspiration for words and deeds of the non-religious secular left wing, so numerous in Western nations.

    Why any Jew would want to be affiliated with these left wingers is mind boggling, but many are in one way or another. Go figure!

    Can Jews and Israel be saved by the mega millions of Christians, who contrary to some of their Christian brethren, are staunch friends and supporters of Jews and Israel? Maybe, but then again maybe not.

    It is no comfort to Jews that Christians don’t even seem willing to stand up for fellow Christians, persecuted in Muslim lands of which there have been increasing reports over the last several decades.

    Consider Raymond Ibrahim’s article Muslim Persecution of Christians: November 2011 at: http://www.hudson-ny.org/2676/muslim-persecution-of-christians-november-2011 summarizing only some recent instances of hate filled treatment of minority Christians in a number of Muslim nations. There are countless such reports in a similar vein.

    The Pope in his recent Christmas address called in banal terms for peace in the world and good will to all, specifically mentioning peace for Israel and Palestinians, but he uttered not a word about Muslim persecution of Christians.

    God on High must be shaking his head and sneering in disgust at this Pope who pompously claims to be the Vickar of Christ in this world.

    Not to just beat up on the Pope, but Christian leaders and their flocks have simply not come together to fight against this lethal scourge of hatred that so many fellow Christians are being subjected to in a number of Muslim lands.

    Perhaps Christians have a sense of security from and are comforted by their numbers of 2.6 million and figure they can afford to lose 1, 10 or even 100 million of their flock and barely notice the loss.

    Jews however, number just 13 million. It is no overstatement to say that Jews can ill afford to lose even one Jew to Jew hatred, let alone all of Israel, if Iran and other Jew hating Arab nations and Palestinians had their way.

    In spite of all these ominous signs that portend potential existential disaster for Jews and Israel, Jews seem to be more consumed with arguing and fighting over their differing theological, political and ideological differing views on Judaism, Israel and American led Western leadership as it relates to Jews and Israel. Those factional fractious and often hostile and angry opposing views, only serve to injuriously divide and weaken the Jewish community at large and distract it from clearly seeing and reacting to the millennial threat of Jew hatred that is again on the rise and again existentially threatens us all.

    The foregoing is only a summary of signs that a confluence of factors are fast coalescing to make a perfect Jew hating storm that could lead to yet another Holocaust for the Jews and Israel, while the West, for reasons of protecting its own interests, could choose to just stand by and let happen.

    If Jews are not totally alarmed by the foregoing summary of signs, they need only do a simple internet search with key words to bring up countless pages of links to news reports and articles that will flesh out these signs with so many detailed proofs that Jews will not be able to deny these signs that impending doom could be near.

    Yes, it is comforting for Jews to wishfully think and hope that the existential dangers of Jew hatred are not as bad as they seem, that another Holocaust just cannot happen, that coincidence will smile on and spare Jews and Israel or believe, as an article of faith, that God will intervene in a timely fashion to save Jews and Israel and ensure their survival now and forever.

    All these comforting thoughts are understandable, but can Jews really afford to find comfort in willful blindness, hopes and prayers and thus figure they have the luxury of time on their hands to take a wait and see attitude?

    All the clear, unmistakable and ominous signs are screaming NO!

    God helps those who help themselves and by God, Jews have no more moments to spare before coming together now – right now, to begin to fight to avert any chance of disaster befalling them, before that chance is erased by the passage of time and changing circumstance.

  • Posted by Ted Belman @ 8:31 pm | 191 Comments »

    191 Comments to Is Another Holocaust Coming?

    1. dweller says:

      “So then, who would you think could possibly end up being the antichrist? It can’t be a gentile – it could only be a so called Jew…”

      Anti, in the Greek, is not always translated as “against.”

      Sometimes (indeed often), “anti” means FALSE, or a counterfeit of the real article.

      The Antichrist is an ersatz Christ — a false Messiah. (The Jewish People have known a bucketload of ‘em.)

      Arguably, he will not be somebody presuming to “oppose” Christ

      — quite the contrary, he will come as one IMPERSONATING Moshiakh, masquerading as he.

      So, since the REAL Moshiakh (okay, whoever the real one is) will be a Jew

      — it follows that likewise will the FALSE one also be a Member-of-the-Tribe.

      “…for Jesus who really is no longer Jewish…”

      Really? — so for all these centuries since the Resurrection he’s been, what, a Baptist?

      — Rastafarian? Scientologist? Pentacostal? Trotskyite?

      Come on now, Dove, what nice Jewish boy, having just once tasted Bagels-&-Lox, could give that up for — I dunno, Babyback Ribs? Stir-fried snails? BLT?

      “You claim that the Christian prayer begins with Our Father and not Our Mother. That may be true but is incorrect.”

      It was a Jewish prayer BEFORE it was a ‘Christian’ one.

      There were no “Christians” in Jesus’ day — only a bunch of Jews who believed, rightly or wrongly, that they’d found Moshiakh. So they called him that, but they NEVER called themselves by his title. (That came a lot later, long after his death — and whatever followed.)

      At the time that HE taught that prayer to them, and throughout his earthly sojourn, there were NO “Christians” — only Jews being taught BY a Jew.

      You got a problem with a prayer that begins by calling God “Our Father”?

      Nu, and the Avinu Malkeinu is what, chopped liver?

      “Avinu Malkeinu, khaneinu v’aneinu, ki ein banu ma’asim. Assei imanu ts’dakah vakhesed, vehoshiyeinu” :
      Our Father, our King; be gracious with us & answer us — and though we have no worthy deeds, treat us with us charity & kindliness and save us!”

      (The music is exquisite, especially the harmonies. Not that that’s relevant to the point.)

      Check out the Artscroll Machzor (or ANY Machzor); I’m sure you’ll find it there.

      Traditionally recited during the Ten Days of Penitence, beginning w/ Rosh haShana & culminating with Yom Kippur.

      As I recall, Rebbe Aqiba also invoked it in the presence of a serious drought that was parching the land.

      Avinu sheh-baShamayim — “Our Father who art in Heaven” [yes, that's the literal translation, boys & girls] — has ALWAYS been Jewish, and always will be.

      “We are all made in the image of G-d. How so? It is not a gender image – It is a spiritual image.”

      You are making a false distinction, boychik. Gender can be a spiritual image as easily as a physical one. It’s not necessarily about plumbing & hair distribution.

      The essence of maleness is DIRECTION (not erection) & ASSERTION (not insertion). The essence of femaleness is RECEPTIVENESS & RESPONSIVENESS (not “passivity”).

      What makes God the ultimate Male is that He is the Prime Mover, the Originator, the Creator.

      This needn’t mean that He doesn’t ALSO have a feminine aspect, a responsive quality, as well

      — e.g., He answers prayer.

      But primarily He’s masculine.

      “Let there be light” is all Male

      — especially if Light follows a command like that

      (otherwise it could be embarrassing, to say nothing of megalomaniacal).

      In fact, in a real sense, God is the only true male.

      All the rest of us, physical males — with the bass voices & the bulging biceps & that weird little appendage that picks the strangest times to stand up & salute (and not to) — are in the final analysis, essentially impostors.

      The truth is that whichever Toolbox one is equipped with upon arrival in this world, his/her soul is ALWAYS female in relation to God, i.e., intended to be receptive to his/her Maker.

      “Putting a face on G-d is an abomination in Judaism.”

      Well, yes of course, but only if one views God as a physical being — because then that would be tantamount to confusing the Creator with His Creation.

      But to speak of “God’s face” in a metaphorical sense is not intrinsically wrong — and CAN be quite constructive, useful.

    2. Teshuvah

      You misunderstood my reference to Jones

      What I wrote was:

      I oppose all conspiracy theorists as the word is known.
      I think they all depart from the method of knowledge, which is study of the material at hand, reflection, conclusion or “moment of truth”, placing of this new truth under the microscope, practice.
      In other words there is truth but it must be based on study.
      All of the conspiracy theorists like Jones, but all I have read, leave large holes because they select what they want to study.

      That is precisely what I wrote. My opposition to Jones is the same as my opposition to all of these conspiracy theorists. I mean ALL.

      I was using jones as an example OF A METHOD. Whether he is a double agent means little to me. What means everything to me is that he imposes on reality HIS version of reality. In other words he chooses what he decides to place under his microscope.

      This is the method employed by ALL of these conspiracy theorists.

      Thus they are used by the Power System in our world to lead the people away from an understanding of what is happening.

      In this way there is also a door opened wide to antisemitism.

      As an example of this the Rothchild Bankers figure largely. But you will not find any objective analysis of the history of the Rothchildes which is what is needed to get to the truth.

      They (the conspiracy theorists) impose their conclusions onto reality.

      Dennis Cuddy is no different at all in this respect. Cuddy imposes his thoughts onto history and reality and this allows him to depart from reality and to emerge with his grand predictions analyses and so on. It is the most dangerous method possible. I do hate it, and I hate and despise all of those who use this method.

      For all my differences with Yamit he does keep returning and returning to analyses of what is actually happening in the world.

      Same with Shy. Same with Bland. So for all the differences there is a point of unity possible.

      But for the guy or gal who says “Forget reality, forget what is happening or has happened…I I I ME ME ME know! This is my (conspiracy) theory!”

      I know! It is a conceit! They are arrogant bastards! I hate these conspiracy theorist bastards!

      F..k them! Come on my friends let’s destroy them!

    3. Teshuvah says:

      dweller: I am really impressed by your post. I’m going to print it out and tape it to the wall. I didn’t expect such a wonderful answer as you provided. Thanks for the tip about Avinu Malkeinu. I looked that up on Youtube and found many. I especially like Barbra Streisand’s version even though I don’t like her liberal politics. Thank you very much!

      Are you a Rabbi?

    4. dove says:

      Well Dweller, that may be your take on it but it is definitely not mine. We will have to agree to disagree. In my opinion Paul was a counterfeit – and that is where alot of this male gender dominance stems from in Christianity. No doubt, women still have obstacles in Judaism. I wonder why??

    5. dove says:

      Real cute Tesh. Dweller a Rabbi? hahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahaha

    6. yamit82 says:

      Lots of fine sounding words but in the end just warmed over boilerplate Christian revisionism of history and facts.

      In our Bible G-d is usually but not always referred to in the male construct from the first verse of the Torah. B’reshit bara Elohim — “In the beginning G-d created.” The verb bara (he created) suggests a masculine subject. Elohim is also masculine in form. The most common phrases in the Tanach are vayomer Elohim and vayomer YXXW — “and G-d said” (hundreds of occurrences).

      Again, the verb vayomer (he said) is masculine; it is never vatomer, the feminine of the same verb form. The personal name of G-d, YXXH, is presented in Exodus 3 as if the Y (Hebrew yod) is the masculine subjective prefix to the verb to be.

      In Psalms 89:26 G-d is referred to as Father. “He shall cry unto me, Thou art my Father, My G-d, and the rock of my salvation.”

      In Isaiah 62:5, G-d is compared to the bridegroom, and his people to the bride.

      “For as a young man marrieth a virgin, so shall thy sons marry thee: and as the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, so shall thy G-d rejoice over thee.”

      In Isaiah 63:16, G-d is directly addressed and called “our Father”

      The Creator of space and time is unique from all existence.

      by Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan

      “In Jewish thought G-d cannot be seen because there is no place empty of Him. The reason is very much like the reason that the air cannot be seen; it is an integral part of our environment, and this is all the more true of G-d. The reason we cannot see G-d is not because He is too transcendental, but because He is too immanent. The only time we are aware of the air is when the wind blows. Similarly, we are only aware of G-d when He acts to manifest His presence. This is why the same word, ruach, denotes both wind and spirit-

      In the Hebrew language of the Torah the divine presence of G-d, the Holy Spirit, the Shekhinah is feminine.

      Remember the days of old, consider the years of many generations; ask thy father, and he will declare unto thee, thine elders, and they will tell thee. Deu 32

    7. yamit82 says:

      Ted pls release my comment from moderation

    8. yamit82 says:

      dove says:
      January 6, 2012 at 6:42 pm

      Real cute Tesh. Dweller a Rabbi? hahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahaha

      Teshuvah: dweller is a mystic who believes in Jesus. :Claims J us the messiah and has attributes greateer than any l
      iving human past present of future, he was dweller’s guy. To be Jewish and a believer in Jesus is an oxymoron and it doesn’t matter if he really denies the divinity if J.

      A rabbi for j maybe but not a Jewish one, for sure.

    9. dweller says:

      “Are you a Rabbi?”

      Not unless you want to hire me as one; I’m free.

      (Well, actually I’m NOT “free,” but I AM cheap.)

      All-the-same, my thanks for the kind words; they’re always welcome, and I’ll take all I can get.

    10. Teshuvah says:

      dove: I can see you getting a lovely post from dweller about male dominance in the left side of the Bible pointing to what G-d Himself said. The essence of Sh’ma is believers submit, obey and serve G-d which is a female perspective and He reigns. If you are as feminist, you reign and He won’t put up with it for long. As I have suspected, you are a feminist and probably New Ager. You should be aware that New Age was started by the Roman Catholic Church and is based in Witchcraft. Remember Jezebel’s end! In the past I have been falsely accused of being a feminist. One woman told me she thought I hated men more than anyone she had met in her life. She misread the situation entirely. I was never a feminist and didn’t hate men. I really do despise abusers; there are many and I don’t suffer fools gladly. Feminism is the opposite of what the Bible says. Obedience is submission and G-d being “HE” isn’t going to ever submit to Jezebel.

      This is by a famous Bible commentator from the 1700′s:

      “That the woman was made of a rib out of the side of Adam; not made out of his head to rule over him, nor out of his feet to be trampled upon by him, but out of his side to be equal with him, under his arm to be protected, and near his heart to be beloved. Adam lost a rib, and without any diminution to his strength or comeliness (for, doubtless, the flesh was closed without a scar); but in lieu thereof he had a help meet for him, which abundantly made up his loss: what God takes away from his people he will, one way or other, restore with advantage. From Matthew Henry’s Full Commentary on Gen. 2:25.”

      Yeshua did more to set woman free than anyone ever on earth. Paul was not against women no matter how you want to cherry pick what he wrote out of context.

    11. dweller says:

      “To be Jewish and a believer in Jesus is an oxymoron…”

      Only from the perspective of a conformist

      — or anybody else whose capacity to think outside the box is severely compromised.

    12. Teshuvah says:

      Yamit wrote:

      To be Jewish and a believer in Jesus is an oxymoron and it doesn’t matter if he really denies the divinity if J.

      It does matter.

      A rabbi for j maybe but not a Jewish one, for sure.

      He is in a class of his own. :)
      Christians and Jews have a Mexican Stand-off of sorts:
      ***Christians believe Yeshua is the Son of G-d and divine and can’t become Jews because that would be denying Christ.
      ***Jews don’t believe Yeshua is divine, believe Christians are Idolators and must deny Christ.
      It isn’t going to be sorted out until the Messiah comes back and we can all see who He is.
      As long as Jews and Christians understand this issue, we will get along. Somewhat. Ro 11:25.
      It is actually good that many Christians are coming out of the apostate, Catholicized church and embracing Hebrew roots and Jewish feasts. They are undoing what Constantine and others did and refusing to take the Mark and worship the Beast (RCC system).

    13. Teshuvah says:

      dweller wrote:

      Not unless you want to hire me as one; I’m free.

      Then are you a retired Rabbi?

    14. dweller says:

      “In my opinion Paul was a counterfeit… ”

      A “counterfeit” of what?

      He was the star pupil of Rabban Gam’liel.

      “…and that is where a lot of this male gender dominance stems from in Christianity.”

      Both the Mideast and Europe had ALWAYS been (with tiny, isolated, and not-very-long-lived exceptions) overwhelmingly male-dominant, since WAY long before Paul’s time.

      It simply will not do to go blaming that particular pathology — gynophobia — on Paul or his writings.

      The truth is that, on one level or another, men have always been scared WITLESS of women (whether they’ve been conscious of that fear, or not)

      — it’s part of the post-Edenic legacy.

      But people who have axes to grind will forever be tempted to seek justification or verification for their fondestly-harbored mishegasse in whatever existing writings they can find.

    15. dweller says:

      “Then are you a retired Rabbi?”

      Retired, yes.

      But not from being a “Rabbi.”

      But then, rabbi simply means “teacher,” nothing more.

      Not that I’ve ever thought of myself as a teacher; more like a student.

    16. Teshuvah says:

      Yamit wrote:

      A rabbi for j maybe but not a Jewish one, for sure.

      Yamit, not all Rabbis agree with each other or have the same experiences. Can you explain this?

    17. yamit82 says:

      “To be Jewish and a believer in Jesus is an oxymoron…”

      Only from the perspective of a conformist

      — or anybody else whose capacity to think outside the box is severely compromised.

      You mean like the Marquis de Sade. Charlie Manson, Woody Allen, John Wayne Gacy, Gary Ridgeway,Andrei Chikatilo ,Bruno Ludke,Aleister Crowley,

      James Joyce: “He liked to fart on people’s faces while having sex (and no, he wasn’t Canadian). He even wrote really passionate letters about it.

      Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart actually wrote these Lyrics: Leck mich im Arsch

      Lick my ass nicely,
      lick it nice and clean,
      nice and clean, lick my ass.
      That’s a greasy desire,
      nicely buttered,4444oo
      like the licking of roast meat, my daily activity.
      Three will lick more than two,
      Everybody lick his own ass himself (which ‘cmon, maybe this was about a dog…)
      come on, just try it,

      These examples of those who thought out of the box and not a conformist among them.
      and lick, lick, lick.

    18. dweller says:

      “To be Jewish and a believer in Jesus is an oxymoron…”

      “Only from the perspective of a conformist — or anybody else whose capacity to think outside the box is severely compromised.”

      “These examples of those who thought out of the box and not a conformist among them.”

      Yes, quite so, the “examples” you offerred were all notorious rebels, NOT conformists.

      What I had said was that the assertion, “To be Jewish and a believer in Jesus is an oxymoron,” is valid only from the perspective of a conformist OR anybody else who can’t think outside the box. I stand by the remark. Re-read the post.

      Your problem, Yamit, is that instead of remaining calm, you let yourself become angry over what I say, you lose the sense of a matter — and that makes you go off half-cocked.

      But back on-point:

      The conformist CANNOT think outside of the box.

      The rebel does nothing BUT think outside the box

      — typically because he’s so traumatized by his experience of the superficialities of conformity that he compulsively thinks outside the box.

      Rebellion & conformity are actually opposite sides of the same coin

      But the coin is counterfeit

      — the whole coin, not just one or the other face of it.

      Shabbat Shalom, one and all.

    19. yamit82 says:

      He is in a class of his own. :)

      He certainly thinks so. LOL

      Mexican standoff? If Jesus was god, how-come he has a Mexican name?

      I don’t give a damn about Messiahs, don’t need any. “If you can liken Judaism to a trunk of a tree The Messiah is not even a twig”, Rabbi Joseph Albo of Monreal in Aragon 1380-1444

      The Tanach through the Jewish Prophets speaks of an end times Messianic age but never mentions a Messiah. Messiah as a savior is totally Christian Paganism.

    20. yamit82 says:

      First of all most Jews do not understand or abide by kabalah. While some Kabalists like the Ramban hadand continue to have influence in and on Jewish thought there has always been a great deal of skeptical rejection in Judaism of Kabbalism. I don’t know much about Kadduri except that he was used by family and friends for political purposes and for profit. In his later years he was not very rational and could be barely understood when he spoke and his children and others were always by his side to interpret what he was saying that sounded like incoherent gibberish to me.

      Re: the letter? It was never authenticated and even if real and true, the name Yehoshua is a common Hebrew name where just in Israel yjrtr might be several hundred thousands of Jews with the same name or derivatives.

      I love the way Christians always inject themselves in Jewish concerns, and this is typical. When rabbis defame Christianity they are the devil and most Christians historically have negative opinions of rabbis until one says something that appears in demented Christian minds seem to confirm some Christian belief then they are quoted and used by Christians for their own narrow purposes. You can’t have it both ways.

      Re: Yamit, not all Rabbis agree with each other or have the same experiences. Can you explain this?

      All orthodox rabbis agree on the basic principles of Judaism and Torah. Differences of opinion arise from different understandings of interpretation of secondary issues. Even your Jesus recognized this element of Judaism. Jews arrive at their understanding of Torah by intensive study of the texts and a method of hashing out with others the true meanings derived within the texts. Jews have as a guide the opinions and commentaries of Jewish scholars who have studied and commented on the same texts over the past 3300 years. If you don’t know Hebrew you can never really understand properly the Hebrew Scriptures, no translation is adequate.

      Rav Nachman asked Rav Yitzhak, ‘have you heard when Bar Nafli will come? ’Rav Yitzhak asked, ‘who is Bar Nafli’…Rav Yitzhak said, the Messiah [Sanhedrin 96b]

      The Messiah will be absolutely mortal, born of a man and a woman [Rambam, Sefer HaVikuah 88]

      The king messiah will be like one of us in every aspect, with a mother and a father. He also will be among the people in exile, suffering the afflictions of exile as his brethren.[Abarbanel, Yeshuot Meschicho 3:3]

      Shevet achim gam yachad: “tribes of brothers [living and worshipping] as one, totally united” is the famous refrain of psalm 133, one of the fifteen songs of ascent chanted on the holy days of Sukkot the festival of booths. Hinai mah tov: “it is so good…” In the culminating of the three pilgrim feasts, all Israel unite to re-experience and affirm the teachings in the wilderness and to affirm that they will raise et Sukkat David HaNofelet, “the fallen booth of David” (Amos 9:11). From this verse the Mishnaic sage Rav Nachman derives a nickname of messiah (above). The extensive discussion of his arrival and of the end of days in Talmudic Tractate Sanhedrin emphasizes that the timing of his appearance reflects the status and behavior of all Israel:

    21. yamit82 says:

      My reply to you never made it through the filter.

      Check your inbox I’ll send it that way.

    22. yamit82 says:

      dweller says:

      A “counterfeit” of what?

      He was the star pupil of Rabban Gam’liel.

      Yeah right. So was I. Based on his writings and understanding of Judaism, I don’t think he was even a Jew.

    23. Teshuvah says:

      Yamit:

      He was the star pupil of Rabban Gam’liel.

      Yeah right. So was I. Based on his writings and understanding of Judaism, I don’t think he was even a Jew.

      Yamit, Paul’s c.v. is at Acts 22:3 and Php 3:4-7. KJB only, please.

    24. BlandOatmeal says:

      Based on his writings and understanding of Judaism, I don’t think he was even a Jew.

      C’mon, Yamit. You know J didn’t write anything. If you mean his “sayings”, of course, I totally agree with you. “Judaism” wasn’t invented until Yavneh.

    25. dove says:

      Teshuvah says:

      January 7, 2012 at 1:55 am

      dove: I can see you getting a lovely post from dweller about male dominance in the left side of the Bible pointing to what G-d Himself said. The essence of Sh’ma is believers submit, obey and serve G-d which is a female perspective and He reigns. If you are as feminist, you reign and He won’t put up with it for long. As I have suspected, you are a feminist and probably New Ager. You should be aware that New Age was started by the Roman Catholic Church and is based in Witchcraft. Remember Jezebel’s end! In the past I have been falsely accused of being a feminist. One woman told me she thought I hated men more than anyone she had met in her life. She misread the situation entirely. I was never a feminist and didn’t hate men. I really do despise abusers; there are many and I don’t suffer fools gladly. Feminism is the opposite of what the Bible says. Obedience is submission and G-d being “HE” isn’t going to ever submit to Jezebel.

      Teshuva YOU HAVE CROSSED THE LINE…When one is trying to express their view on the gender attributes of the Creator and how they are manifested labelling me a feminist, new ager and a Jezebel is TOTALLY OUT OF LINE. I agree to disagree with you but will NOT TOLERATE being blasphemed by you. In other words, I rebuke you! You said yourself that you had been falsely accused in the past for being a feminist

    26. Teshuvah says:

      dove wrote:

      YOU HAVE CROSSED THE LINE

      Hardly. I’ve merely followed the tracks dweller laid down. You should pay attention to him on this issue.

    27. dove says:

      You most DEFINITELY have Teshuvah. Yamit explained it alot better and I didn’t see him accusing me of witchcraft or being a Jez. HOW DARE YOU! I don’t even read horroscopes – for that reason. I avoid anything that can be associated with the occult – as minor as it may seem to others. And I definitely don’t have a sexual history that could equate me with such evil. Time for you to move on woman!

    28. dove says:

      I think it’s time for the moderator to step in. I don’t appreciate when people on this board ‘fill in the blanks’ as to what they think I or other people on this board are. My Rabbi thinks this post is too negative to Jews and thinks I should consider commenting elsewhere if the moderator is not going to step in to put a stop to this. I could take the time and space to somewhat explain to people like Tesh but why should I? People like her are dirt diggers – and where there is no proof of dirt she conjours it up. I have dealth with many people like her. As Jews we know we have vast differences of opinion and we can debate and discuss. However, one does not have to be spiritually raped by this jargon coming out of Tesh. This is just a news sight, commenting on articles. All she is really accomplishing when it comes to me is making me a stronger more vigilant Jew. Perhaps the real reason why G-d seems to manifest in more of a male than female tone is because man has failed, over and over again. People do need a spiritual father and they only be able to find that in God….but that does not make G-d a male. I understand where I am coming from, so does my Rabbi and so do many Jews and Gentiles that I associate with…and thats all that matters – the people who KNOW me would NEVER accuse me of such garbage.

    29. dweller says:

      “The Messiah will be absolutely mortal, born of a man and a woman…”

      Any ‘messiah’ who was “born of a man and a woman,”

      — would not be EQUIPPED to perform the mission of the Messiah.

      Anyone born of a man & a woman would be subject to the same compulsiveness that has dogged the steps of every man since Adam first yielded to temptation.

      The Messiah would have to be an original creation, like Adam (not born of a human father) — yet, unlike Adam, be able to face temptation head-on and NOT yield to it as Adam did.

      “The king messiah will be like one of us in every aspect…”

      If he were “like one of us in EVERY aspect”

      — then who in bloody blue blazes would need the bloke?!

      “If you can liken Judaism to a trunk of a tree The Messiah is not even a twig”

      Ah, quite so.

      He is the very sap — unseen and generally unacknowledged (by friend and foe alike) — that quietly nourishes and strengthens it, even (indeed especially) under the most arduous of circumstances.

    30. dweller says:

      “I will agree to disagree with you but will NOT TOLERATE being blasphemed by you.”

      Oh, come on, Dove. How does one “blaspheme” another flesh-&-blood man?

      Blasphemy is something one does to GOD, is it not?

      — Or were you about to make an announcement of something we didn’t yet know about?

      (Have you alerted the media?)

    31. dweller says:

      “In my opinion Paul was a counterfeit… ”

      “A ‘counterfeit’ of what? He was the star pupil of Rabban Gam’liel.”

      “Based on his writings and understanding of Judaism, I don’t think he was even a Jew.”

      “C’mon, Yamit. You know J[esus] didn’t write anything.”

      In that remark, Bland, I think Yamit was talking about PAUL, not Jesus.

    32. Teshuvah says:

      dweller: Is Dove a man or a woman? Perhaps we are dealing with an Ahab and not a Jezebel. Either would have liked to play G-d. You called Dove boychik. Is that term for males only?

    33. Teshuvah says:

      Yamit:

      You know J didn’t write anything.

      This is a hot button. Prepare yourself. …. Be calm. … Ready?

      In reverse order, He wrote in the sand. He wrote with a finger on a wall. He wrote in stone, 2 stones really. He also wrote His name on land around Jerusalem visible from the air.

    34. dweller says:

      “You called Dove boychik. Is that term for males only?”

      Yes. It originated amongst Slavic Jews, and is typically assigned with some affection to a young man seen to display more chutzpah than good sense.

      I assumed our correspondent to be male, as he/she presents as a Jew of fairly conventional mien.

      All-the-same, though, I could be wrong about the gender; I rarely give much thought to it anyway, except where matters of common courtesy & essential modesty are concerned. (Then too, when blogging, anybody can post any handle they like.)

      FWIW:
      The Hebrew name, “Dov” (that’s the spelling of the usual English transliteration) has the same root as David — and, like David, it means “beloved.”

      It’s pronounced with an “almost long o” sound [viz., the vowel is somewhat clipped, and more glottal, than it would be in American-accented English], not like the short “u” in the English word represented in the species of bird, “Dove.”

      And, in my experience, it’s always been a Boy’s name — in Hebrew.

      Still, there’s nothing sacred about tradition per se, and no reason it couldn’t be a Girl’s name.

      In any case, it surely wouldn’t be the first time we got it wrong on this site about who was who, gender-wise.

      As I recall, a few folks had PresentCompany pegged wrong in the gender dept for quite a while there; what’s more, at least one poster also got YoursTruly wrong at first.

      Then too, posting on any blogsite has got to be something akin to having the entire household going for an early morning skinny-dip in the ocean

      — when you first come out to dry off, everything that dangles is so shrivelled from the cold water, it’s hard to tell the boys from the girls.

      So give us the news, Dove, the straight skinny (as it were) — once & for all — so we can clear it up & get on with more significant matters :

      Have we been ‘blaspheming’ a male god, or a female one?

    35. dweller says:

      Lots of fine sounding words but in the end just warmed over boilerplate Christian revisionism of history and facts.”

      Can’t tell what post in particular you’re referencing here.

      Many of these posts are still, apparently, out of sequence.

      Seems I can’t take a powder for ten days without you losing your way home.

      — When the bullies took your lunch money, did they get your bus money too?

      Better not tell me; I think I know the answer (and anyway, it looks like I’ll be gone for a couple more days, and the thread may have been cut by the time I get back).

    36. dweller says:

      “In reverse order, [Jesus] wrote in the sand.”

      Yes.

      “He wrote with a finger on a wall.

      He wrote in stone, 2 stones really.

      He also wrote His name on land around Jerusalem visible from the air.”

      No.

      No.

      And, uh, No.

      Clearly a case of mistaken identity.

      Somebody ELSE did those things.

      A Friend of the Family, if you like

      — but not Yeshua haNitzri

      and the latter would be the first to TELL you so.

    37. Teshuvah says:

      dweller wrote:

      typically assigned with some affection to a young man seen to display more chutzpah than good sense.

      Anything we say is likely to irritate dove. :)

      This is fascinating. I’ve seen the name dov for a man but didn’t make the link in this case. I posted for a while on a board where many were New Age witches, wiccan, assorted liberals and leftists and to the last one pro-Palestinian and really antisemitic. I hoped to education them about Israel, but alas left them to their strong delusions. They hated me as much as “the Jews.” There was on that board a woman named dove who was very much a New Age witch.

    38. Teshuvah says:

      dweller: It shall remain a mystery for the time being. Think pre-incarnate.

      Pr 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

    39. dove says:

      Actually Dweller I like every other human being do have a soul, a spirit. And yes, a spirit of one CAN blaspheme against the spirit of another. I chose Dove to use as a name not based on gender but more for symbolic reasons. I like a Dove (the bird) and it symbolizes peace, something we as Jews strive for – although the cost is quite high. I have never posted on any other board usng the name Dove. I only use the name Dove here. And since you and Teshuva have demonstated such malice towards me I will not answer any of your personal questions.

    40. Ted Belman says:

      THIS THE LAST COMMENT ON THIS THREAD.

      It is impossible to read all the comments so I read few. Unfortunately a few of you got out of hand. I don’t tolerate ad hominem attacks. My apologies to those who were the subject of some of the,

    41. Ted Belman says:

      THIS THE LAST COMMENT ON THIS THREAD.

      It is impossible to read all the comments so I read few. Unfortunately a few of you got out of hand. I don’t tolerate ad hominem attacks. My apologies to those who were the subject of some of the,

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