Is Another Holocaust Coming?
The Signs Are There If Jews Only Open Their Eyes
By Bill Narvey
What? Another Holocaust could be just around the bend?
Renowned conservative pundit, Mark Steyn sure seems to think so.
An article, December 6th, 2011 in The Jewish Tribune out of Toronto by Joanne Hill, that likely has not received the attention it deserves, certainly raises the specter of another genocidal holocaust against the Jews, Western society complicit: Resurgence in antisemitism may lead to second Holocaust, Steyn says.
Hill was reporting on a recent address by Steyn to about 1,000 people gathered at Toronto’s Reform Jewish synagogue, Holy Blossom Temple, which focused on resurgent antisemitism, particularly in Europe.
The article’s title is taken from Steyn’s startling dire warning of what the future may hold for us Jews.
Hysteria? Fear mongering? Maybe, but to what purpose and what is in it for Steyn who is not Jewish?
Then again, taking a closer look at all the signs, maybe not.
Maybe Steyn is spot on and what we are witnessing is the world stage being set for a final one act Holocaust reality play that will ultimately see the world rid of Israel and the Jews, once and for all.
So, what are these signs?
Jews know that the most ancient of evils, Jew hatred that has taken an unimaginable toll on the Jewish people throughout the millennia, is extant today.
They know that while intractable and unbridled Jew hatred, be it in its purest form or in the guise of Israel hatred, while coming mostly from the Muslim world, is also coming from parts of the Christian and other non-Muslim world.
That millennial old Christian Jew hatred, in recent years has been resurgent as Steyn notes, especially in Europe where Jew hatred is finding increasing expression by word and deed, not just from ordinary citizens, but from European religious, institutional, media and political leaders.
Most, if not all 3rd world non-Muslim countries that have historically had little experience or even contact with Jews and Israel, have for a number of reasons, all bad, found common cause with Muslim nations in their hatred of Jews and Israel.
China, a rising economic powerhouse, also having little to no historical experience and contact with Jews, is aligning with the Muslims, largely because of economic opportunities the Muslim world affords them.
Similarly Eastern Europe, led by Russia, the evil empire as Regan called it, has a very long history of systemic Jew hatred throughout all levels of its society, again seeks to regain world superpower status by cozying up to the Muslim world where it finds many economic opportunities and by trying to build itself up, largely at the West’s expense.
The former Soviet Union, armed the Arabs against Israel as has both Russia and China since. It is Russia that provided Iran the technology and assistance to develop its nuclear program. Both Russia and China have been instrumental in throwing sand in the gears of Western efforts to bring pressure on Iran through largely economic sanctions, to get Iran to abandon their nuclear agenda and WMD aspirations.
Incidentally, Europe that is so dependent on Iranian crude and fearful of blowback should they support sanctions against Iran, have always been wishy washy in that regard and now have announced they are not supportive of sanctions.
Iran talks out of both sides of its mouth when it denies it has any WMD aspirations (a denial that is undeniably false), but maintains its threatening posture and words that it is dedicated to wiping Israel off the map. Add to that, Iran is the greatest sponsor of Islamic Jihad, arming them to not only attack Israel, but the West.
As for Jews – well Holocaust denying Iran, if it can pull the trigger on its goal of bringing a Holocaust to Israel, will be bringing that Holocaust to Jews the world over.
At least the Soviets during the cold war were rational enough to know that a nuclear war with the West would destroy both, so the concept of M.A.D. held the Soviets in check. For Islamic Iran however, the concept of M.A.D. does not enter into the calculation of their national interests and aspirations.
Iran’s leaders are moved only by their religion of Islam to believe that their religious prophecies leading to Islamic world supremacy can only be realized by their leading a deadly apocalyptic showdown with the non-Muslim world, with Israel being the first to go, regardless of how many Muslims must die in the process.
The American led industrialized West, so dependent on Arab oil for almost a century has made itself increasingly vulnerable to the power of Arab oil and wealth.
That economic reality was painfully brought home to the West with the Saudi led oil embargo of 1973 as payback for American and Western support of Israel during the 1973 Yom Kippur War that enabled Israel to avert being destroyed by the Jew hating genocidal minded Arabs.
That unforgotten lesson and the strong likelihood that the Arabs will use such tactic again if American support of Israel exceeds the tolerance level of Arab Jew haters, weighs heavy on American and Western minds.
America and the West repeatedly declare as a mantra that the vast majority of Muslims are good and decent people, while it is only a relatively very small number of Jihadists that threaten the West. The West knows full well however, that the majority, if not vast majority of the Muslim world are not only Jew haters, but a very great many of them have some sympathies at least, with the Jihadists who express and act on their profound hatred of Jews, Israel and the West.
Fear of hostile and violent Muslim reaction against Western interests in the Muslim Middle East as well as on Western soil, is palpable. That fear too, figures largely in American and Western thinking, positions, policies and actions intended to protect and advance Western interests in the Muslim world and which have a corresponding negative impact on Israel.
These Western policies that have been rightly called appeasement, have been evidenced in the anti-Israel rhetoric and deeds of many Western leaders and media organizations and in Pres. Obama’s various pronouncements such as his apology speech to Al Arabiyya, his Cairo apology tour, his Mid East policies and his continuously singling out Israel to wring concessions from and to blame for the Israel-Palestinian peace process going off the rails as well as on a number of other counts.
What is also significant is that pervasive intractable Arab, Palestinian and Muslim Jew hatred and even their hatred of the West, barely gets mentioned these days, though it is the core reason why Israel has not managed to find a peace solution with the Palestinians and other Arab neighbors and a core reason that puts Western interests in jeopardy.
One cannot ignore as well that the recent upheavals in the Middle East that began in Tunisia, have not led to an Arab Spring ushering in democracy, that the West hoped for. Rather, these upheavals have opened the door for Jew and Western hating Islamists to seize power and drag their people further back into Islamic and Jihadist tyranny.
If that was not enough, Jew hatred is now a full blown sentiment and inspiration for words and deeds of the non-religious secular left wing, so numerous in Western nations.
Why any Jew would want to be affiliated with these left wingers is mind boggling, but many are in one way or another. Go figure!
Can Jews and Israel be saved by the mega millions of Christians, who contrary to some of their Christian brethren, are staunch friends and supporters of Jews and Israel? Maybe, but then again maybe not.
It is no comfort to Jews that Christians don’t even seem willing to stand up for fellow Christians, persecuted in Muslim lands of which there have been increasing reports over the last several decades.
Consider Raymond Ibrahim’s article Muslim Persecution of Christians: November 2011 at: http://www.hudson-ny.org/2676/muslim-persecution-of-christians-november-2011 summarizing only some recent instances of hate filled treatment of minority Christians in a number of Muslim nations. There are countless such reports in a similar vein.
The Pope in his recent Christmas address called in banal terms for peace in the world and good will to all, specifically mentioning peace for Israel and Palestinians, but he uttered not a word about Muslim persecution of Christians.
God on High must be shaking his head and sneering in disgust at this Pope who pompously claims to be the Vickar of Christ in this world.
Not to just beat up on the Pope, but Christian leaders and their flocks have simply not come together to fight against this lethal scourge of hatred that so many fellow Christians are being subjected to in a number of Muslim lands.
Perhaps Christians have a sense of security from and are comforted by their numbers of 2.6 million and figure they can afford to lose 1, 10 or even 100 million of their flock and barely notice the loss.
Jews however, number just 13 million. It is no overstatement to say that Jews can ill afford to lose even one Jew to Jew hatred, let alone all of Israel, if Iran and other Jew hating Arab nations and Palestinians had their way.
In spite of all these ominous signs that portend potential existential disaster for Jews and Israel, Jews seem to be more consumed with arguing and fighting over their differing theological, political and ideological differing views on Judaism, Israel and American led Western leadership as it relates to Jews and Israel. Those factional fractious and often hostile and angry opposing views, only serve to injuriously divide and weaken the Jewish community at large and distract it from clearly seeing and reacting to the millennial threat of Jew hatred that is again on the rise and again existentially threatens us all.
The foregoing is only a summary of signs that a confluence of factors are fast coalescing to make a perfect Jew hating storm that could lead to yet another Holocaust for the Jews and Israel, while the West, for reasons of protecting its own interests, could choose to just stand by and let happen.
If Jews are not totally alarmed by the foregoing summary of signs, they need only do a simple internet search with key words to bring up countless pages of links to news reports and articles that will flesh out these signs with so many detailed proofs that Jews will not be able to deny these signs that impending doom could be near.
Yes, it is comforting for Jews to wishfully think and hope that the existential dangers of Jew hatred are not as bad as they seem, that another Holocaust just cannot happen, that coincidence will smile on and spare Jews and Israel or believe, as an article of faith, that God will intervene in a timely fashion to save Jews and Israel and ensure their survival now and forever.
All these comforting thoughts are understandable, but can Jews really afford to find comfort in willful blindness, hopes and prayers and thus figure they have the luxury of time on their hands to take a wait and see attitude?
All the clear, unmistakable and ominous signs are screaming NO!
God helps those who help themselves and by God, Jews have no more moments to spare before coming together now – right now, to begin to fight to avert any chance of disaster befalling them, before that chance is erased by the passage of time and changing circumstance.
They came to kill us we won! Let’s eat…
“Every Jew A 22″
Aside from the fact that 22 rhymes with Jew… why stop at .22?
Still pining for that Tavor…
they coined .22 because it rhymed with Jew.
That’s hardly cause for rejoicing, and I don’t think you’ll be saying “Let’s eat!” when it happens. I know Sebastian’s Day is tomorrow night; but that’s a night for Israel’s enemies to get drunk. Let’s you and I be sober.
The older Jews understand the meaning of the quote. Google it.
Let me guess, Yamit. It means:
1. Jerusalem won’t be attacked. They’re talking about San Francisco
2. Jews won’t get raped and killed. They mean Chinese
3. Peace and safety. All is well. It will all pass. You needn’t fear the Gestapo.
4. All Jews will get raptured, and the Christians will get left behind.
Yam, I don’t give a hamster’s hangnail, what the rabbis have to say on the matter. They led 6 million Jews to the slaughter, and you still trust them? You’re more stupid than they were, because they didn’t know any better.
If I were living in Israel, I wouldn’t be making latkes and hamentaschen to celebrate the coming of NATO; I would make sure my gas mask is up to date. Israel will defeat the Turks, fair enough; but the struggle seven years later will not be a picnic. Jews will wail and lament, every one of them. That’s what it SAYS in Zechariah. If the Rabbis mean it says Turkish vendors will be selling rahad lakoum for tuppence apiece in Rabin Square, then believe whomever you want.
wrong guess!!!! Nothing to do with your rabbis or even Judaism per-se. I said Google it, you lazy jerk.
Not interested, Yam. I worship God, not men.
Very soon the time will come when all the families of Israel will look upon Yeshua their Messiah and mourn for their sins. “I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and of supplication, so that they will look on Me whom they have pierced; and they will mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him like the bitter weeping over a firstborn.” Zechariah 12:10
One thing Caligula did have right: “Oderint dum metuant,” let them hate as long as they fear.
Suppose for example that the Musloid terrorists that murdered the Fogel family had been dumped in their villages with multiple bullet wounds, including a very conspicuous one in each one’s head. That would have educated the others not to imitate their actions.
A glitch in that quote : it’s rather “Oderint ut temeant”, not ‘metuant’
Re: Kahane video. Had I been in President Bush’s position after 9/11, I’d have ordered a tactical nuke on a suitable target (no innocent bystanders within the weapon’s damage radius) and then posted photographs of the charred Al Qaida corpses and the shadows left by those who were close enough to be vaporized. I would have then said that terrorists are no longer to ask for passports so they can select the Americans for hostage-taking or execution. “You will cringe in the presence of any American. If an American strikes you, you will not return the blow. You will not strike much less kill any American if you value your life and the lives of everybody around you. If you are a woman married to a terrorist, take your children and leave his home now because that home is a target.”
Israel needs to do the same to traumatize and terrorize the Palestinian militants.
Bill wrote:
I believe that the President, no matter what body he was in at the time (Nixon, Reagan, Bush1, Clinton, Bush2 or Obama) took down the towers. There is too much evidence that says so to ignore it. Just this alone: Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth will prove it. They did it to advance the Luciferian New World Order. It was a Reichstag event staged to condemn one group (Muslims) so Bush could attack Afghanistan and incidentally plunder the Social Security Fund to fund it. Link upon request.
Muslim persons said to have been aboard the planes that struck the towers were later identified partying and ALIVE, not crispy bones in the fallen towers. The Saudis helped the take down. There were Saudi princes in Florida at the time and while the whole of the U.S. had no-fly orders, those Saudis were allowed to fly out of the U.S. within the 24 hours after the towers fell. The rubble from the towers was taken out to sea and dumped where it could not be studied or tested for radioactivity. Firemen in NYC who worked on the site have a high incidence of cancer from radiation. Three towers fell when only two were hit. Something stinks.
Take a look at the vulgar comments. They seem to be threatened with the idea of Jews being armed. In their paranoia, they see that as amounting to hating gentiles. Apparently the neo-nazi scumbags think the second amendment only applies to the aryan race.
Holocaust Survivor speaks
Holocaust Survivor Speaks
I know the above is frequently quoted as being in the Bible. It isn’t. Benjamin Franklin said that. The truth is G-d helps those who call upon him in sincerity and can’t help themselves. Is another Holocaust coming? Yes, but this one will include Christians as well. For years, Christians have been having dreams and visions per Joel 2:28-32 given by the Ruach HoKodesh of persecution against them and being required to deny Jesus Christ or be killed. It makes no difference in this case what you think about “denying Jesus Christ” as that is merely the subject in the dreams. A Pre-Trib Rapture pastor in Chicago had a dream of being tortured for her faith. That was a surprise to her because she thought she would be raptured out of here before any tribulation (tribulum – testing). No one leaves without being tested first. Others have had dreams and visions of mushroom clouds, martial law, being processed for prison camps, missiles falling, enemy planes strafing cities, etc. I did a long post about this earlier but Ted did not release it from moderation. Here are a couple typical dreams I saved. There are so many, I stopped saving them several years ago.
Thanks for sharing, Teshuvah.
I hope the Jews here will note that it was Christians, not Jews, who were persecuting their fellow Christians. These are not “Antisemitic” dreams.
Zechariah 14 talks about nuclear war, affecting all the countries of the world. In the dreams you related, you saw the mushroom cloud and THEN the persecution happened. This makes sense, because a nuclear attack is not the END of things but just the beginning. There follows infrastructure damage, disorder and anarchy, a tremendous medical crisis foisted upon communities unable to handle it (horrific burns, blindness, then radiation sickness and death), the disappearance of an orderly economy, famine, pestillence, etc. Some of the prophecies compress these events; but believe me, they will seem to have been happening forever. The only safe haven will be internal, in a secure relationship with God and the assurance of an eternity with Him.
BO wrote:
BO, you missed the point yet again. The dreams were to show the type of dreams Christians are receiving. The persecutors were not Christians at all. They are either military or jack-booted thugs run by the globalists or enemy soldiers. The persecuted in these instances were Christians. The next Holocaust will include Jews and Christians and like the last one will be sponsored by the RCC, the background Beast System that runs the NWO.
Teshuvah,
I did not miss your point. You complained that your previous postings of these dreams had been blocked. Perhaps the moderator felt thoses similar posts were antisemitic, so I tried to help. Forgive me for trying. I wash my hands.
BO wrote:
No, not antisemitic. Probably just too Christian. He doesn’t believe Jesus is the Messiah and I am guessing that he also believes Christians are therefore false and cannot receive dreams and visions from the Lord per Joel 2:28-32. That scripture is from the left side of the Bible and says G-d will give dreams and visions to “all flesh” not just Jewish flesh. I know a Jewish anthropologist in the U.S. who had a dream of a terrorist explosion in a mall in the Midwest. Besides Christians who have dream and visions, many unbelievers (even witches and New Agers) have had dreams and visions just like I described above and they post them and talk about them in forums. I had a dream of the various countries represented as buildings, some smaller, some older, etc. Then two hands came down from Heaven and shook the tallest, and biggest building and it fell to the ground. That dream was in 1998. It wasn’t fulfilled until Sept 11, 2001. The scripture even says some of the things they will see:
Many have had dreams and visions of various hurricanes including Katrina, others of earthquakes, and of 9/11 before the towers fell. Many others have seen the U.S. split from the Gulf of Mexico to the Great Lakes and a new inland sea formed as a result of U.S. leaders’ dividing Israel in two. It is best to heed warning notices. Most people don’t.
It is therefore necessary to deploy scientific propaganda in Europe so if this ever does happen, it will happen to the militant Muslims and not the Jews. What’s black and brown and looks good on an Islamic supremacist? See 0:45 A Rottweiler!
There are people who will always want somebody to hate. We should therefore give them that somebody. Possible PsyWar cartoon:
Frame 1: Skinhead in White Pride T-shirt is yelling [expletives for Black people] at a Black man in a Black Power shirt who is yelling [expletives for white people]
Frame 2: Militant Islamic rape apes, depicted as subhumans, begin to grope a blonde woman with blue eyes and an ebony-skinned Black woman.
Frame 3: The men’s shirts now both say “Infidel,” the men are holding baseball bats, and one says, “Time to take out the TRASH, Brother.” The other says “Damned straight, Brother!”
Frame 4: The Musloids have been beaten to a pulp, the white man is walking away with the blonde on his arm, and the Black man has the Black woman on his arm. “Our heroes!” the women proclaim.
You are really demented.
Muslims may be feared even despised but they have the big bucks and are not hated.
Jews are not feared, are weak and have nothing anybody wants except for the Muslims and the Vatican, and they are hated.
Nothing you can do to change that immutable equation.
This is more realistic
There is only one tried and true method nations have always used to avoid total financial collapse of their systems. They take you to war.
2012-2013 will see a global conflict even possibly a nuclear one. The collapse of the global financial institutions will precipitate it even if something else is the trigger.
When will we know we’ve run out of time on Iran?
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Alternative scenario: Obama foaming at the mouth at the news of an Israeli attack, tears off his suit an dons Hitler uniform and cap, calls the press corps, does a Sieg Heil salute and stirs up the country in a Jew-blaming rampage.
Whatever. Does it matter? Waiting for the Americans means death AND dhimmitude. Israel has it in their power: They are a country, not half-starved, deluded refugees being herded into boxcars. Time to be men.
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I love it. Would that Israel’s leaders today have the guts to be just as “senseless”. Is Jonathan Pollard being held hostage, to keep them from doing it again?
Israel has anticipated this. I see that nobody is talking about the 800-lb., um, I mean 100-kiloton elephant in the room.
If there is a second Holocaust, the world is going down with the Jews. Israel may not have enough bombs to wipe out every city, but a massive nuclear response will almost certainly escalate into a global nuclear war that wipes out civilization.
I venture that quietly, through back channels, Israel has made clear to the Arabs and to Europe the fate that awaits them if there is a second Shoah. Unfortunately, the Europeans throughout history have been such raving maniacs on the subject of the Jews, that their hatred will overwhelm their sense of self-preservation.
No, if Israel has to nuke Iran, it will not do any damage to CIVILIZATION.
EricR
It isn’t Europe or the Arabs we need to warn. The USA would finish Israel before it had the chance to destroy the oil or the European financial markets it needs. No. Esav is alive and well. Both the Arabs and Europe know they have the USA to protect them.
Evidence, please.
Samson…
America cannot prevent Israel if she decided to attack every oil field in the ME and Beyond. Israel has the potential to hit in retaliation every city on the American East Coast, including use of EMP’s.
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Study compiled by US Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), headed by a former Pentagon analyst, explores several hypothetical scenarios for unconventional warfare in our region. Authors find ‘Israel’s residents and economy could weather nuclear war with Iran’
If Israel nuked the prime oil fields just in the ME the additional pollution from the hundreds of thousands of oil and gas fires into the atmosphere would create a Nuclear Global Winter. It could block out the sun for more than a year/ The ME sand and dust would become radio active and be blown all over the globe infecting water supplies and crops.
In addition to the dust that the explosions would send up into the atmosphere, there would be many fire storms, resulting in even more massive
amounts of dust and smoke. Winds would blow the smoke around the globe, blocking the sun’s rays and lowering the temperatures. Growing
seasons would be shortened, and water sources would be polluted. All that, of course, would be in addition to the devastating effects of radioactive fallout. Another fatal consequence would be destruction of much of the ozone level in the lower stratosphere, due to a chemical reaction with the radioactive smoke. It has been calculated that about 50-70% of the ozone at the north and south poles and 10% of the ozone at the equators would be destroyed, affecting human and animal life.
The resulting nuclear holocaust would destroy the entire way of life in the northern hemisphere, and eventually all over the world.
I think Israel would be environmentally conscious enough to use air bursts on the Musloids, because these do not produce anywhere near as much radioactive fallout as surface bursts. The area of destruction is also much larger. Surface bursts are necessary only for hardened targets like Iranian missile silos and Ahmadinejad’s Fuhrerbunker.
China actually has had experience with the Jews as Shanghai was one of the few places in the world that accepted Jewish refugees from Europe during the Holocaust.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/mar/24/jews-found-refuge-in-shanghai-ghetto/?page=all
Having visited there I can attest to that.
Mike
The Political Commentator
http://politicsandfinance.blogspot.com
If we are going to consider the possibility of a second Holocaust, it might be a good time to review the first one.
It started with an antisemitic political party from the Catholic part of Germany led by a man who was an illegal immigrant from a neighboring Catholic country, Adolph Hitler. According to this political party, all the world’s problems were the fault of the Jews. Antisemitism was the intellectual foundations of this political party.
The second part of the Holocaust was a social machine that was first fleshed out by the Nuremburg Laws which put into law restrictions against Jews. This legal framework put into place increasing social isolation and ghettoization of Jews. Soon, they were squeezed into restricted neighborhoods that were walled in, not to protect them, but to keep them prisoner.
When Nazi Germany started World War II and invaded its neighbors, the laws against Jews were carried over to the “Reich” of occupied territories. But instead of isolating Jews, summary executions were carried out against communities that were taken prisoner.
The last part of the Holocaust was a confrontation with the messy business of murdering large groups of people in broad daylight. A more efficient way of murdering Jews had to be figured out. This was the business of the Wansee Conference, a secret meeting to set out on a secret enterprise to engineer a mechanism to apply to the existing social machinery to exterminate the Jews.
Concentration camps were already in place to house the political opposition, these were well known. Shifting the object of these installations to the systematic mass execution of large populations was not difficult since executions were regularly carried out impromptu in these places already.
It was only a question of deciding how to kill a large group of people all at the same time and applying the process on an industrial scale to target Jewish population centers. This was the job of the gas chambers. It remained to engineer the process by which the Jewish populations could be relocated from their communities to the death camps.
There were the Jews to convince and also the general public. They had to be convinced that the Jews were being relocated to places that were benign, healthy and safe. Model concentration camps were set up for public consumption and stories of these places circulated so that however difficult and brutal the force applied against Jewish communities to relocate them and also the persistent rumors of what lay ahead, there was always this fantasy lodged in the minds of everyone.
It worked. One third of the global Jewish population was systematically murdered by this process.
If we are to see a second Holocaust, we should look for clues among these characteristics of the first. And since the first one was so successful, we should consider that the first one is still an ongoing enterprise and that what looks like a second one looming is actually the first resurgent.
Yamit82, If the intent is suicide, then yes you’re right, as America would destroy Israel immediately afterwards, and the world would destroy it’s remaining Jews afterwards, IF and I stress If, we ever did have a Samson heading the IDF.
Israel cannot hit American cities, or even European ones. I know what i’m talking about, can’t say more here. Americans are said to have planted nukes underneath and rigged the oil wells, just in case this were to happen. There was a rumour that the Saudi’s rigged their oil precisely for this purpose, but they too could use it like Israel as an attempt to destroy the world, if their oil was taken by force.
All this is unlikely to ever happen. The Americans will never let such a Samson get into power in the first place. That is some consolation I suppose, depending upon how you look upon it, because even nuking Israel or any Arab country if the Americans would ever do it, would have serious repercussions for them. The blowout would be too big.
I was responding to this statement of yours.
If Israel were to attack ME oilfields it would be in the context of Samson and after the deed was done it would serve no purpose for America to attack Israel as even if we were attacked our subs would take out the American E coast at least and I also know what I am talking about.
The basic rule in Nuclear warfare is use them or lose them.
I think you credit Americas with too much capability. They lost in Korea, Lost in Vietnam, lost in Iraq and will lose in Afghanistan. Ten to 20 committed Jews with suitcase bombs could devastate America if placed and detonated strategically. Easy to blame the Muslims for the deeds.
We here in Israel should concern ourselves over un-Jews who side with our enemies and support administrations and presidents that are supporting our enemies who want to destroy us?
As for American Jews..Why would your Jew loving gentile neighbors go after the Jews? Isn’t America based on tolerance Justice and constitutional law? After all these years isn’t antisemitism in America a thing of the past? Wouldn’t American institutions protect it’s Jewish citizens, After-all most Jews are totally assimilated a near majority according to polls are not pro Israel, they donate a lot of money to politicians and political parties and campaigns. They support anti Israel American presidents and their political institutions. The same administrations that not only allows our enemies to the be armed conventionally are allowing them to Nuke up and even supplying nuclear aid and American nuclear technology.
You reap what you have sown. Do not expect either Israel or we Jews to sacrifice ourselves so you can continue the American Dream. It’s not our dream.
All Israeli Leaders are Samsons if we are attacked by an enemy using any type of CNN weapons and if our Intel supply’s conclusive evidence that such an attack is imminent.
Arison, get yourself a globe. The most direct way from any point in the US to Israel is practically due north. The West Coast is no less vulnerable than the East Coast; and that’s just from Jericho III ICBMs fired ballistically. Israel also has the option of delivery from orbit, which can strike anywhere, anytime.
Israel has made its willingness to use the “Samson Option” since 1967, when they had only 13 nuclear devices. It is not a “suicide” option on Israel’s part; because even if Israel is totally destroyed, half the Jews in the world live outside of Israel. For any nation that PROVOKES such an option, though, it is indeed suicidal.
9/11 ought to have instructed you, that the Islamic world is not concerned about suicide options: They want to destroy Israel and the Jewish people, at ALL costs.
ALL costs? Does that include 50 million or more Muslims in Tehran, Qom, Isfahan, and so on?
Of course, all costs, Bill! You, of all people ought to know this. When Sadaam was lobbing SKUDs at Israel (that is, at THEM as well as the Jews), the “Pals” were on their rooftops cheering. Look up the definition of “suicide” bomber. Do you suppose the Iranians don’t know, that millions of Arabs will die in a nuclear attack on Israel? Do you think they don’t know that the fallout will almost all fall on Muslim countries? Islam is a culture of death, not of life: You have said this yourself. Because Jews love life, though, including JEWISH life, they need to act accordingly. Just because the Muslims are irrational, doesn’t mean the Jews should be: They need to strike first.
The U.S. would no more nuke Israel than it would nuke the UK, France, or any other friendly country. It is quite likely in fact that our military officers would refuse Barry’s orders to fire nuclear weapons at a friendly or neutral nation unless that nation had attacked the U.S. first, in which case it would obviously not be friendly or neutral. Do you think any military officer would kill 50 million Americans or even more by attacking London, Paris, Tel Aviv, or even Moscow or Beijing without provocation (e.g. a credible threat by the country in question to use nukes on the U.S.)? His sworn duty would be to refuse such treasonable orders and prevent them from being carried out.
In fact, it is unlikely that Russia or China would nuke Israel in retaliation for an Israeli first strike on Iran. Even an absolute ruler like Putin isn’t going to get several of his major cities blown up for the sake of what are doubtlessly to him Third World savages. The Iranians are probably useful to him like livestock, but nobody is going to get himself or his people killed over livestock. I doubt Pakistan is going to get Islamabad blown up for Iran’s sake; come to think of it, Pakistanis are (I think) Sunnis who would probably have no problem with dead Shiites.
Bill,
U.S. servicemen on submarines routinely do nuclear drills. They NEVER know what the actual situation is on the surface, nor even whether or not they are performing a drill; and they ALWAYS press the right buttons when ordered to.
How much more I would prefer to join silly rymes rather than real life regarding possible results of a WWIII scenario including Israel, the Arabs and others allied with them.
Of course Israel would be destroyed by the US if Israel would have no choice but to resort to the Sampson plan.
But then again one would be well advised to consider that in that event Russia and China, not precisely out of love for Israel or Jews, would not hesitate to terminate the by then limping USA.
I doubt very much that anyone would follow plans likely to end in that fashion.
Another Holocaust will not involve solely Jews, life in Ezrth as a whole would end.
Not in the sane pundits cards.
Well put, Shmuel
I doubt that US military planners would allow themselves to be severely crippled by an Israeli nuclear attack, and allow the Russians and others to benefit from it. Whoever strikes first, whether it be Iranians, Koreans or Israelis, I expect a complete nuclear exchange by all the world’s powers; and EVERY major power will be targeted, including “pacifist” countries like Germany and Japan. Russia, China and America think they are being cute, allowing runaway nuclear proliferation. It’s like letting children play with bombs. They will reap what they sow.
Not true. Our servicemen obey orders — ANY orders.
I know. I served as a Staff Engineer at the most Senior-Fellow level with Uncle Sam Dod Military avionics Programs and also trained at the US China Lake Naval Weapons Center…
But NOT only the US servicemen do as commanded…
Everyone must now start considering every move we make very carefully.
Not true; a book on leadership cites a couple of cases in which our soldiers have refused orders (e.g. to cheat on a missile exercise, and to fire upon what they were told were hostile troops only to discover they were friendly ones). In those cases, the soldiers did not get into trouble. I think in fact the Uniform Code of Military Justice requires a soldier to refuse an illegal order.
There is a rumor that, when people thought Richard Nixon might do something irrational, the officers in control of the nukes were told to not obey orders to use them without corroboration by somebody else in the Administration.
Bill,
Your thinking about American GIs’ willingness to obey orders is unrealistic. I was in the in training in the intelligence services during the Vietnam War. When news finally filtered down to me from the outside world about the My Lai massacre, I became very concerned that I might be put in a position of having to make difficult moral decisions. I decided to file for Conscientious Objector status; and when that was rejected, I pursued other (legal) means to get out of the service. There were a handful of us on hold status during the months that my application was pending; but we were a pathetic handful; even though many, many of our fellow troops were very aware of the moral and legal contradictions of our country’s involvement in Vietnam. They simply feared disgrace by their families and peers, more than they even feared God; and they remained in service, to push buttons when ordered to. Those people I am referring to had long tours in training, when they had time, as I did, to reflect on their situation. The vast majority of other GIs did not have that luxury: They were rousted out of their pretty innocent youth and thrown into the middle of circumstances where they would have to make life-and-death decisions that could, in the scenarios we are talking about, affect perhaps the entire world. American GIs are trained to respond instinctively, without thinking. This makes them the most effective killing force in the world.
Yamit82, I am not ‘siding’ with America, as you seem to be saying in your post. Your nuclear suitcases, and being blamed on Muslims are just a riduculous fantasy, you underestimate American security. I am giving you the reality of what we face. I have no love for Esav, who would not hesitate to destroy us. The Saudi’s have their oil rigged to explode with nuclear weapons. Like Israel they have a suicide plan in action. I said what I did, from what I know. I KNOW what i’m talking about I just cannot say so here. Think military. Think intelligence. Think both. Or Think nothing, as you wish,
As for the other posters, guys come on, is this the best we have? Crazy, demented, Bill Levinson go see a doctor for your hallucinations. Shmuel, the ‘limping’ US would not need China or Russia to finish it off, this is what you don’t get. The US HAS to protect anyone including Israel from attacking the oil fields or the EUropean financial capitals. It doesn’t need to go as far as China, or Russia to destroy the US otherwise. The US is aware of this.
Moving on…
Nuclear suitcase bombs are quite real.
All of your arguements sound ‘so sane’, but have you read the Book? I absolutely cringe at the things that are happening, and all the arguements in the world aren’t going to change that. All I can say is, “Even so, come quickly, Lord Jesus,” because only then, will it all be solved. At that time, all your arguements in the world won’t be worth a ‘hill of beans’.
I agree with Nina, speaking as a Christian Zionist of course. Rev 9:15 says one third of mankind will be slain and Zec 12:8 says In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them.
Zec 8:13 And it shall come to pass, that as ye were a curse among the heathen, O house of Judah, and house of Israel; so will I save you, and ye shall be a blessing: fear not, but let your hands be strong.
14 For thus saith the LORD of hosts; As I thought to punish you, when your fathers provoked me to wrath, saith the LORD of hosts, and I repented not:
15 So again have I thought in these days to do well unto Jerusalem and to the house of Judah: fear ye not.
Zec 8:23 Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you.
This is a song called He’ll Do it Again by Karen Wheaton, a Southern Gospel singer from Alabama. It meant a lot to me at a time when I was in despair and thought everything I loved died. It basically says that G-d has delivered you before and He’ll do it again. I was pondering the above verses and others having to do with destruction and the Day of the Lord and I was praying for Israel and I heard Him say the line from this song, “He’s done it before and He’ll do it again.” And I knew He was speaking of Israel. He promised and He is faithful. He knows the things you are going through. He’ll find some way to fix this for you. Here are the lyrics. I believe the song is anointed. Listen and see. I still cannot listen to it and not cry.
Enough of your christian crap already.
I put up the wrong link above. The correct one for lyrics is here. The original link for the song is correct. It is here: He’ll Do it Again.
In order to have faith you must first have hope. It appears to me that many Jews have lost hope or never had it in the first place. You should rely more on G-d and the Book than on yourselves. If He said He would defend you, and He did, then He will defend you.
Karen Wheaton, has a very nice singing voice.
Yes, Teshuvah; but Zechariah 14, which most likely portends a situation in, say, eight years or maybe a little longer, talks about Jerusalem being breached, women getting raped, thousands killed, etc. Around this time, Jews will be wailing for the one they pierced, mountains will be splitting and people fleeing through the rift, nukes going off around the world and peoples’ eyes rotting in their sockets, etc., and men begging rocks to fall on them to hide them from the face of God, etc. In short, it will be very troubled times; and I don’t know if this will be before or after Jewish men get divine steroids and start behaving like Davids. If I were a father in Jerusalem, I would hide my daughter and my wife. I would also earnestly pray, probably fully prone and quaking.
Yamit wrote:
I think so too. This is from Wikpedia:
I like many types of music and especially like her voice. She is a contralto and I can sing along with her. Southern Gospel and Black Gospel have some similarities, but the beat is different. 2-4 versus 1-3. I was at a Andrae Crouch & The Disciples concert once a few decades ago and he told his mostly white audience, “Don’t clap or you will throw me off. Let me start.”
Mrs. Lawrence,
I don’t blame you for cringing. The world seems to be on the verge of crunch time. I don’t expect Judgment Day this year, but we sure might see some fireworks. There is a major issue to be dealt with concerning Iran, and I don’t see how this can end any other way than war. The reason is that Iran is ruled by nuts — and not just one, but a whole passel of them. Please check out the article here:
http://warsclerotic.wordpress.com/2011/12/14/iranian-supreme-leader-khamenei-and-the-iranian-regime-vs-president-ahmadinejad-part-i-messianic-group-threatens-the-regime/
Iranian President Ahmadinejad’s office director, Rahim Mashaei, has Ahmadinejad (henceforth called Ajad) convinced that he is in communication with the last Imam, the “Madhi”, who is the Shi’a Muslim counterpart of the Messiah. What’s more, Ajad sensed a “halo” around himself when giving his address to the UN in 2005, and seems to think he had something like Caligula’s “apotheosis”. His spiritual overseers, led by Ayatollah Khameini, are really concerned about the lad’s sanity, but I sense they are afraid he might lead the people in revolt if they tried to stop him. This is not the sort of fellow the world needs at the trigger of nuclear weapons; but I fear that if Israeli does not deal with him on their own, Obama will continue to hide his head in the sand.
WARNING: ELEVENTH HOUR. NUCLEAR NUT THREAT IMMINENT
BS’D
The late,great Rabbi Meir Kahane, of blessed memory, warned Jews more than two decades ago in one of
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\his classic books “TIME TO GO HOME” to leave the United States and emigrate to Israel because of the increasing
anti-Semitism which once again seeks to scapegoat Jews for America’s economic and social problems.
See website: http://www.shuva.net
BS’D
The late,great RABBI MEIR KAHANE,of blessed memory warned Jews more than two decades ago
in one of his classic books “TIME TO GO HOME”…to leave for Israel because of the virulent
anti-Semitism which would once again seek to scapegoat Jews for the economic and social problems
America is experiencing.
HIS WARNING SHOULD NOT GO UNHEEDED!
(See website: http://www.shuva.net)
This is the reason why Jews should be scattered throughout the world at this time. Half of them living in Israel is enough.
Dove,
My conservative rabbi, from when I was in a conversion program, would agree with you. A good Biblical precedent would be Jacob dividing his family in preparation for meeting Esau.
“A wise man’s mind [tends] to his Right, while a fool’s mind [tends] to his Left. Even on the road, as the fool walks, he lacks sense and proclaims to all that he is a fool.” (Ecclesiastes 10:2-3)
“As a dog returns to its vomit, so a fool repeats his folly.” (Proverbs 26:11)
“They [Children of Israel] provoked Me with a non-god, angered Me with their vanities; so shall I provoke them with a non-people, with a vile nation shall I anger them.” (Deuteronomy 32:21)
“Thus Israel settled in the land of Egypt in the region of Goshen; they possessed property in it and they were fruitful and multiplied” (Bereshit, 47:27). A staggering 80% of the Egyptian Jewish community were slain in the plague of darkness in Egypt because they didn’t want to leave Egypt and go on aliyah to Eretz Yisrael. (THE FIRST JEWISH HOLOCAUST)
“Moses said to Aaron, ‘Of this did HaShem speak, saying, “I will be sanctified through those who are nearest to Me, and [thus] I will be honored before the entire people”‘; and Aaron was silent.” (Leviticus 10:3)
Tesh says: It appears to me that many Jews have lost hope or never had it in the first place
Gee Tesh I WONDER WHY? You are just another one of those Christians who twists interuptations to meet YOUR religious beliefs. Again I say to you, according to the Christian Bible in revelation THE CHURCH WILL BE JUDGED FIRST…. and for GOOD reason. So lay off the Jews or you may face God’s wrath if you don’t.
Revelation’s a good read. Actually, it’s not too flattering of Christians: They’re called children of the harlot Babylon (for the most part); and the good woman, the one who had the man child and was cared for in the desert, the one with twelve stars in her crown, reads an awful lot like the Jews. The God of Revelation doesn’t look much like the steretyped namby-pamby Christian God of “Gentle J” in “South Park” either. He invites vultures and carrion eaters to the “marriage supper of the lamb”, so they can eat the flesh of the world’s mighty men. And there are more ways to interpret it than there are spellings of Qaddafi.
BO: dove hasn’t read the right side of the Book nor as far as I can tell the left. Here she argues against the Fatherhood of G-d and dweller sets her straight. It is very New Age and neither Judaic nor Christian to introduce a female as G-d. Freemasonry’s god, Lucifer/Baphomet is androgynous. The G-d of the Bible is not.
Hi, Teshuvah. It’s Bible study time, huh? I’ll indulge a bit:
If your god is male, then he must have had his children by a female god. Rongorand would agree; for she would be Mary. But if those who are “in C J” are neither male nor female, that would say the same of C J — that “he” is neither male nor female. And J himself said that in the resurrection we will be neither male nor female, but will be like the angels: That is, WE, who are male and female on earth, will be neither in heaven. Do God and J live in heaven? or on earth?
There is a philosophical work-around of this: God was originally neither male nor female. He created the universe from Himself (There was nothing else to create it from), causing the universe to be female and Him male. You could argue, then, that He had intercourse with Mary who, being of the universe was female, and bore a son who was… There’s no end to this doggerel. How about this? A male has an X and a Y chromosome — one from the male side and one from female. Females, being XX, could be said to be “100% female” and males, being XY, only “50% female”. God, being Father of all, would have to be XY in order to have male offspring, so of course He too would be “50% female” like human males, or, simply, “male”.
Think what you want, and don’t take any of the above as serious. I will not enter into a discussion about God’s sex life. It’s HIS business, whatever their sex.
BO: I answered this and it disappeared.
Word-twisters are many, and honest men are few.
JOHN 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
WHAT is God? “God is a spirit.”
scp: I answered and it was deleted by the moderator. Christian verses are generally not welcome on this board. That being said, the Lord’s prayer begins with “Our Father in Heaven,” not “Our Mother in Heaven.” So based on His witness, He is not female and that distinguishes Him from the hoard of Babylonian female dieties foisted upon humanity — Alilah, Allah, Ariadne, Astartet, Ashtoreth, Cybele, Diana, Freya, Goddess, Gaia, Gaya, Il, Isis, Ishtar, Jachin, Queen of Heaven(s), Lady Liberty, Laksjmi, (Eternal) Virgin, Mary, Moongoddess, Rhea, Sin, Venus.
Teshuvah, I had BlandOatmeal in mind, not you.
The masculine reference is not the same thing as a biological gender.
SCP, you saw what I said — God’s sex life is His/Their own business. My God said “Let us make man(kind) in our image… male and female made He them. You should know Hebrew well enough, to know that Hebrew genders do not correspond to sex; nonetheless, Teshuvah is insistant. Maybe she’s seen His organ; I don’t know. I haven’t. This is the last you’ll hear from me here on the matter.
BO is disgusting and blasphemous and enjoys being so.
Lots of interesting responses for this subject matter, but very few on target. The next Holocaust if one should occur will be against Moslems and not against the Jews. One key ingredient in the reasons why the Jews were targeted by the Germans was the feeling that the Jews over stepped their bounds by their arrogance and disdain for the average German on the street. This feeling of superiority-inferiority complex was enough to tip the scales against the Jews that eventually led to the Holocaust.
Moslems who come to Europe and tell Europeans how to eat, live, and carry on their business, in a way remind me of the arrogant German Jew doing the same to the Germans. We Germans do not like that and we will respond to your disadvantage. One day, the White People in Europe will say enough is enough and they will strike at the Moslems in a way that will be representative of the Holocaust against the Jews.
Almost every rape against a White woman in Denmark is done by a Moslem, how long do you think the White People in Denmark who are the most passive in Europe are going to stay complacent? Mirro this in almost every country in Europe, and you have the makings of another Holocaust. It’s only a matter of time.
Every rape should be sufficient cause for a blood feud.
Link to Usenet comment thread is here.
I much appreciate the discussion my article has generated and am thankful for the great many who have read my piece without commenting.
That said, I am hopeful that all who read my piece and concur with my views that all these signs taken together are at the very least, greatly concerning, do more than comment on these Israpundit pages.
I urge all of you to share these concerns with friends and acquaintances. I am also urging all of you to contact your various local and national Jewish leaders, including the Rabbinate and urge, nay demand that they see what these signs could mean, that they make countering these various signs a priority and that they begin to take vigorous, aggressive and concerted efforts to that end.
Narvey you raised the specter which I and others have over the years warned about so for me it’s old hat. You have no clue to either the depth and breadth of the threat nor what to do about it. how do I know it’s so?
The above statement proves my points, you don’t have a clue and I doubt you ever will.
Stick with letter writing.
I forgot I have long maintained that the Jewish communities outside of Israel are TOAST, If the antisemites don’t get you assimilation will.
antisemitism global monitor
December antisemeitic incidents
Argentina / 30-12-2011
Fox TV poll on Facebook: Do you think the Jews killed Jesus?
Buenos Aires – Fox Latin America has apologized for a poll on whether Jews killed Jesus Christ that one of its staffers put on a Facebook page promoting the National Geographic Channel’s Christmas special.
The poll asked readers who they think is responsible for the death of Christ: Pontius Pilate, The Jewish People or the High Priests.
The Simon Weisenthal Center in Buenos Aires calls it a defamatory reference to Vatican propaganda that “resulted in the persecution and murder of Jews for two millennia.”
The Jewish group says it’s outraged that Fox would perpetuate an idea that the Vatican annulled back in 1965.
Fox Spokeswoman Guadalupe Lucero apologized on behalf of National Geographic, saying the poll was removed immediately and measures have been taken to prevent such incidents in the future.
They say a picture is worth a thousand words these pictures should be worth the Congressional library
watch these Narvey then start writing.
Antisemitic Incidents – 2011
Jews are endangered around the world part 1
Jews are endangered around the world part 2
Teshuvah, are you taking my name in vain. Don’t pick on me, I am your elder. I am not here to play mind games, in fact I stay away from religious discussions, they serve no purpose. I trust we all believe in G-d and if we do, we should act like it.
I don’t and I am not interested in converting anyone, in fact the good nuns taught us years ago, there is no need to convert anyone who has their own faith.
This site was established to support Israel and her right to exist, not for religious bashing.
Teshuvah, your a nice lady, stay out of trouble.
BTW don’t compare me with BO.
Come on Teshuvah, find a new gig. Please, or find another site to preach. I am not impressed.
This is a New Year, let’s deal with the problems facing Israel.
Listen Teshuvah, when your time is up and you meet the Almighty, you can’t ramble on what Catholics, Protestants or whomever what they did, He will tell you, your here for your final audit and you have to account for your own actions, not the actions of others. G-d doesn’t buy into the blame game.
G-d’s justice will prevail He doesn’t need your help.
rongrand: I answered this and it stuck in Moderation. Please read this link:
The reason Jerusalem is listed without a country for those babies born there is because it is now and always has been the purpose of the Roman Catholic Church (“RCC”) to own Jerusalem. Excerpt:
It’s worth repeating: you really are a crackpot.
The fraud that was Alberto Rivera
You are the worst sucker I’ve encountered so far. You need help. Seriously.
Hi, Shy Guy.
Rivera was the inspiration of “Chick tracts”. Is that where Teshuvah’s stuff is coming from? Or is that just your opinion? I encountered some of those tracts in the early 1970s. I didn’t like them, and didn’t pass them out. They were apocalyptic, though, and this is a very popular genre.
What really interests me lately, is that the Moslems are getting very apocalyptic, very specifically so, and that this ties in directly with Iran’s nuclear program. Achmadinejad is under the sway of a close adviser who fancies himself to be in communication with the 5th Imam, or Mahdi; and the ruling clerics of Iran, who are fearful of A-jad’s following, are sort of scrambling to come up with a Mahdi of their own. They seem to have struck on one that unifies Iranian Shiites with Arab Sunnis, namely, a son of King Abdullah of Jordan. The latest prediction from a Salafist sermon in Ammon, is that he will come to power in 2024 after conquering Iran, Israel and Hejaz. Add to this the fact that every major NATO operation since Desert Storm has involved members of the Arab League, and you have a NATO-Islamic-Messianic combination. Chick tracts move over: reality is becoming stranger than fiction.
Frequently asked questions about Alberto, former Jesuit priest.
Defense of Alberto Rivera against those who claim he was a fraud
Like dandelions up they pop!
Shy Guy,
Are you dismissing all warnings about Muslim plans against Israel, just because Teshuvah and Rivera have gone to Bedlam? If you are, you are probably crazier than they are.
What a completely baseless assumption on your part.
It is not baseless, Shy. First I said something very serious, about things the Arabs and Iranians are plotting against the Jews, things not from some popular false prophet but from the news, from government transcripts and a sermon by a respected Muslim speaker; then Teshuvah came up with her Chick Publications babble; and you equated the two, saying, “Like dandelions, up they pop!”
Don’t you care about Israel? What kind of a world do you live in? I did not grow up Jewish; I grew up a goy; but I have always read about the Jews in the Bible. I have always known that they are God’s people, people He loves, people He has dealt with even when they hated Him, people whom He would never utterly cast off. Now, in these past few years, I have come to know some of these people — some like you, just spitting out snide remarks every now and then against Jew and goy alike. Some of them, I have learned, are my own relatives. I read horror stories, written by my own kin, about the Shoah, and about Jew betraying Jew, about Jewish rabbis ignoring reality and leading their flocks into the gas chambers and the ovens; and now it is happening all over again, and I see the same kind of SHIT!
No, Shy, I don’t think my remarks are baseless. I am upset, but I don’t think over nothing. I wonder how such a people can continue to exist, who don’t even seem like a people at all, but like so many absolutely contradictory… I don’t know what to call them. The word “children” comes to mind; but I won’t say it is the right word.
Please, Shy Guy. Act something like a mensch. Tell me what you think about these Arab prophesies. If it were Teshuvah saying them, or some pop prophet, it would be one thing; but this is a cleric in Jordan, someone under the very eyes of King Abdullah, proclaiming that Abdullah’s son will be the Islamic Messiah; and at the same time the clerics who rule Iran, which is developing nuclear weapons with the intent to destroy Israel, invite Abdullah over for a visit; they take him to a health spa, so they can check out his back to see if some presumed prophetic marks are there. They have a cuckoo President supposedly under their watch, whom they are afraid of because of his popularity; and he is glued to an advisor who believes he is getting subliminal messages from the Fifth Imam. The clerics are hoping that “their” messiah will sway the people away from A-Jab’s messiah. This is no longer about nukes. It has entered the religious realm, a realm you and I both should know about; yet you say nothing constructive.
These are not kooks handing out tracts, Shy Guy. These are people working very hard to kill the Jewish people. I don’t know what you should say to this; but surely, it should be more than, “Like dandelions, up they pop!”
If you think this is all poppycock, and you have real knowledge or wisdom to say instead, please speak that knowledge or wisdom. Don’t behave like a schoolchild.
BO:
And you are behaving like a Catholic. Jack Chick is not and has never been “a kook handing out tracts” and his tracts are not “babble.” He was demonized by the Roman Catholic Church (“RCC”) because he published info by Alberto Rivera which was true and verified by many people. Be careful about spreading lies because as you should know all liars burn in Hell. The link Shy Guy published is only the negative part of the article, not the full link, and contains the lies put out by the RCC. Those have been refuted in the links I posted above. I frankly don’t know why anyone should consider anything you as a Catholic say has even a grain of truth, except that yes the Muslims are looking for a Messiah to rule the world. Prof. Veith has so stated in lecturing on The Islamic Connection, The New Age Agenda, and several others which are mostly made up of Vatican and Masonic sources quoting their evil intentions. However, any source I post you attempt to discredit just like a Catholic would do.
Teshuvah,
Let me tell you why I consider Jack Chick a false prophet: He’s a liar. Is that good enough?
How do I know he’s a liar? I’ve seen his tracts, and they give me indigestion, for one. J said, “My sheep know my voice, and another they will not follow.” I know J’s voice: I have believed in him since I was a boy, when I heard about him in the gospels — gospels taught, word for word from the Bible, by Catholic priests. He went around teaching in proverbs, proverbs that made sense. He taught me to love God with all my heart, and all my strength, and to love my neighbor as myself. He taught me to pray in private to God, not publicly to win the praises of men; he taught me not to be a hypocrite, etc. There was never anything religious or complicated about him, no hocus-pocus: He was an ordinary person like me, and his family was a lot like mine. I could relate to him.
You call me a Catholic; but don’t be deceived on this count: Rongorand will assure you that I am anything but a Catholic, and I will accept his judgment. I was baptized Catholic, then baptized as an adult with the “F S HG” formula, and once more, for good measure, in the name of J. I made sure I covered all bases there — not to win favor with God, whom I knew personally and prayed to every day, but to get along with doctrinaire Christians who wouldn’t accept me unless I was wet. I was also circumcised as a child, by a Jewish doctor no less; but when I became interested in Judaism I faced the prospect of multiple mutilations and dippings from them too. I do what I can to get along; but I will tell you straitforwardly, the God I know hasn’t changed at all.
Jack Chick says that I’m a son of the Devil, because I was raised Catholic. Let him think that; I know better. I also know that J told us not to go around calling one another names; because we will have to answer for it in heaven. Jack doesn’t just get people to go around attacking Catholics. He gets people to think they do God a favor by doing so. Putting Jack into the gospel narrative, he doesn’t stand in the place of Jesus; he stands in the place of those super-pious Jews who wouldn’t help the man in the way who had been waylaid by robbers. J criticized them, but lifted up the passing Samaritan as an example of righteousness; because the Samaritan did what is right, whereas the others, who did not DO right, were all puffed up in how right they were. J was Jewish, but he had no qualms about crossing religious lines. He didn’t see the world as “Jewish vs. Samaritan”, and I am quite sure he doesn’t see the world today as “Christian vs. Catholic”.
With Jack Chick, we are not talking about someone who is mistaken about the scriptures; we are talking about someone who is turning children of God against children of God; and J told us what God would do to such as him: It is better that a millstone be hung around his neck, and that he be cast into the sea.
BO: My reply to your above post is at #28, out of order for some reason. There is much you could learn from Jack Chick. Read Smokescreens and see the photos of priests who took off their RCC gear and put on Nazi uniforms.
BO wrote:
You call me names all the time and mock and ridicule and otherwise despise. You call Jack Chick names as well and falsely accuse because you have not come to a knowledge of the truth.
Isn’t that a tad too harsh. Why can’t we play nice!!
Lois,
I see by the time of your posting, that I am the one you think was “too harsh”, who should be “nice”. Sorry; I’m not nice. This is Israpundit, you know.
BO wrote:
I didn’t see a sign on the front door welcoming bullies and those making ad hominem attacks. You seem to think that you can desert the rules of common decency and say anything you like. Do you have such a pass from Ted? It really is a sign of intelligence to get one’s ideas across in a manner so as to not make the hearer or reader hostile.
You have a very inflated opinion of yourself. Be careful Lois has some powerful friends.
Yamit,
SHHH! Lois doesn’t know who I really am.
A mild-mannered retorter?
A mild-mannered retorter?
That’s no duck, boy!
Ahhhhhhhhh! Memories!
Do you remember
It’s baseless but it’s not your fault. I hit the reply link under Teshuva’s nonsense but I see that reply indentation is no longer working. I was not responding to you at all. Teshuvah is an entire meadow of dandelions all by herself.
If you would go back into Israpundit’s archives, you would see I have nothing good to say about Islam or Mohatmed, piss be upon him. I’m no less read-up on the Qur’an and Islamic history than you are. I’m the kinda guy who thinks Daniel Pipes doesn’t get it, Melanie Phillips is too nice and Robert Spencer should live a long life.
You should know from more recent comments of mine that I have been a long-time fan of Manhigut Yehudit’s Moshe Feiglin. Here’s a video by Feiglin, which speaks just fine for me.
Thanks, Shy Guy
I think I was over-reacting, as I often do. I can’t figure out what this thing with the Jews is anyway, why I’m even interested in them.
Moshe Feiglin speaks
Kahane ZT’L HY’D, speaks
Tshuvah, I removed a number of your posts because you were running amok.
She’s usually running a monk.
Ted: You won’t believe until the Koran-kissing Pope sits in Jerusalem declaring himself to be God. You probably will believe him over me. Bye. 2 The 2:3-4.
Good night Teshuvah.
I am not referring to you Yamit. I know you believe you know everything there is to know about the signs I dealt with, believe that you have done all humanly and perhaps even inhumanly possible to alert the world to the spectre of a potential new Holocaust, believe that you have inspired Jewish leaders and Rabbis to take all possible actions to avert a possible new Holocaust action and that they have effectively responded to your personal efforts.
I am quite content to allow you your self aggrandizing delusions that manage to blind you to the fact that the signs are increasing in number and intensity.
No Yamit, my article and my above comment urging those who have read my article to act on it and demand of our leadership and Rabbinate to make the matter of the signs and countering them a priority, was meant for everyone but you.
I do wish you a Happy New Year Yamit with the hope this coming year brings you greater insight. I wish all at Israpundit a Happy New Year.
Our New Year was a few months ago but thanks anyway!!!
that manage to blind you to the fact that the signs are increasing in number and intensity.
TIPESH
By running amok, I didn’t mean you were sounding crazy but that you went way over my no, nos.
Relieve yourself of the excess baggage and come on down!
EDIT: Haha! You’ve since edited your original post but I got a text quote before you hacked away at it.
Huh? I don’t recall editing that post at all. I was going to talk about what an insignificantly small religion Judaism is, to reinforce what I said, but figured that wans’t worth the effort.
If you want me to expand on that, look at Judaism:
1. Some 12 million people worldwide, about half in Israel. I think the Mormons have more members than that, and they’re nearly all observant.
2. Only a couple million of the above are Orthodox, who are about as accepting of the other half as Teshuvah is of the Catholics
3. Among those few million, most sects hardly tolerate each other, and some don’t even consider the others Jewish. Don’t even mention how much some of them hate the State of Israel.
Is this a people? I have trouble thinking of it as a religion. The Catholics have their Papa who knows all; and the Protestants have their Bibles (OT & NT). You get some folks like the Chick chicks, who think they understand it all; but most claim that the Bible, not they, is the chief authority. What do the Jews have? Good Lord! They have at least a few dozen rebbes who think that they are the last word on the true commentary on the true commentary on the true commentary!
This is Judaism, I tell myself… it makes sense to them. Live with it! Oy! OK. You guys are the way you are, and God loves you anyway; and this is good news to me, because I want God to love me the way I am too; so I should keep my mouth shut. That’s why I didn’t post more than I did. Besides, however nuts you all seem to be, the Arabs have no right to hate you, gang up on you and try to kill you; and nutniks in Oslo and Seattle have no business dragging your name through the mud.
The fact that Jews are leading the chorus of Jew-haters, is a phenomenon in itself. How can I defend Jews, without offending the Jews who hate Jews? It’s a real conundrum. Do Christians do this? Granted, we have Teshuvah, who thinks Catholics and some others are devils; but she’s a decent woman who tells me I need magnesium in my diet when I get sick. You have to admit, she has menschlichkeit.
Enough. God bless and keep you, Shy, and keep you all from the missiles.
INCOMING!!!
I love common sense. “The righteous man sees danger coming, and hides himself”.
BO: If a Muslim came to me and said “We can be friends because we worship G-d,” I would reply, “No, you worship another god, a strange god, and NOT the G-d of the Bible. Further, you read the Koran which instructs you to befriend and murder all infidels that do not bow to your god. Therefore we cannot be friends because you think I am an infidel, even though I am not.” I need only look at the bloody history of Islam to see exactly if Muslims are friendly or not. They are not.
If a Catholic came to me and said, “We can be friends because we worship G-d,” I would reply, “No, you worship another god, a strange god, and NOT the G-d of the Bible, it is Isis, Horus, Seb (IHS) from Babylonian sun god worship. Further, you read the Douay Bible which has much of it ripped out and diluted to support RCC doctrine and your hierarchy instructs the Catholic church that Protestants are “heretics” and must bow to the Pope or else. (I have current quotes about that.) ” I need only look at the bloody history of the Catholic Church and over 150 million murdered in the Crusades, Reformation, Inquisition, Holocaust, throughout history to see if Catholics are friendly or not. They are not. Syncretism, Ecumenism and Consensus are tools of the Devil to deceive people into worshiping the Beast (the “RCC”) which controls almost everything on earth including the New World Order and has not changed since its origin.
You continue to push Ecumenism. It isn’t working. History shows blood on the hands of the RCC. You as a low level Catholic either have not a clue or you are part of the DECEPTION. I have posted lots of links to expose Catholicism’s bloody history which the Bible calls “fruit” that identifies a False Prophet. You are still clueless. Try Google.
I always wondered why he had a jackal’s head, and walked like an Egyptian!
Sorry, T — nothing so spectacular. I do have MASON tools in the garage, though — even used a trowell to put in a slab a few weeks ago. Be afraid! Be very afraid!
BO: You should know that Rev 13:1-14:12 says the Beast will require that ALL (that means Jews, Christians, Catholics, and assorted heathen) worship the Beast or be killed [and who in history is more bloodthirsty than the RCC?] and that if anyone take the Mark of the Beast (obeys him as in hear and do – forehead and hand), G-d will see destroy him. For 2,000 years the Beast has been considered the Roman Catholic Church. Paul even wrote of it. Your issue is you have no fear of the Lord and you don’t think that applies to YOU, but it does. Alberto got his eyes opened. You should work on yours.
If a Jew came to you and said ” We could be friends. We worship the same G-d.” How would you respond to that Teshuvah??
That’s a very clever question, Dove, seeing that J was Jewish
Actually, I think Jews rate with her much more highly than Catholics and Freemasons.
dove: I would say, “Yes, of course.” Why else would I be here? The globalists put together the World Council of Churches which in the writings of the RCC is designed to bring everyone under the control and Lordship of the Pope. It accepts every religion on earth but ultimately is against Judaism and true Christianity which are the only two based on the Bible. In Prof. Walter Veith’s lecture series he discusses this. See these three titles at this link:
The New Age Agenda
That All May Be One
The UN & the Occult Agenda
The expose the true agenda of Ecumenism, the RCC and the New World Order. The agenda is to bring all religions into one under the Pope or his designate.
It’s ok Tesh, some of us are way ahead of you. So then, who would you think could possibly end up being the antichrist? It can’t be a gentile – it could only be a so called Jew for Jesus who really is no longer Jewish – some do leave the fold and do wicked wicked things in the name of others.
dove wrote:
I think it may have a dual meaning. Firstly, in 2,000 years the Roman Catholic Church (“RCC”) has been considered the antichrist. Prof. Veith explains it is the RCC system of rulers at the top so each Pope can be the antichrist (and there are many antichrists, even non-RCC ones) or the RCC system and all it controls is the antichrist. What it controls (see gif at this link) is among other things Jesuits, Freemasonry, the U.N., and every branch of the New World Order including the World Council of Churches. It may also be a specific individual. It hasn’t been revealed yet so we don’t know for certain. I don’t know why it must be a Jew. Some like to say Obama. Certainly other Presidents qualify as well in terms of being evil. The antichrist loves war per Daniel.
In 2Th 2:3 he is called the “son of perdition” a phrase only used twice in the Bible. The other time is Judas who appeared to be a friend of Yeshua. So look askance at anyone claiming to be a religious friend such as the ecumenical RCC or Muslims who immigrate into countries saying they want peace when they want to murder you instead.
He is also called the “Wicked” in 2Th 2:8 but that reference may be dual itself because the Greek word is a-nomos (against the Law; worker of inquity; lawlessness) can apply to every man who does not obey G-d. Prof. Veith quotes writers through the centuries who speak of the references in 2Thess as the writer referring to the RCC. The writer didn’t name him originally because the RCC was at that time persecuting and murdering Christians in many ways like tying them to poles and setting them on fire in Roman to light their paths.
The West, and by this I mean especially the US and British elites, are full of hatred for Jews and Israel not because they are in appeasement of Islam, but because they too are full of anti-Semitism and anti-Semites.
The horrible anti-Semitism of Christianity comes before the horrible anti-Semitism of Islam.
The formulation that the writer above uses blurs this fact.
If you care to swing the issue back to the critical issue of the destruction of Yugoslavia you will find that the MAIN FORCE in the destruction of Yugoslavia was not Croatian Fascists and Nazis, not Izetbegovic Bosnian Muslim Nazis, not Albanian Kosovo Muslim Gangsters and Body Snatchers and organ Harvesters, but was the US elite, was the British, was the French, was the Germans replaying their past nazi role.
The Islamists of Izetbegovic and Bosnia, the Nazis of Croatia, the Abanian Muslim Gangsters of Kosovo, were being promoted, led, cajoled, driven by those Western Elites.
That is why the above writer is SO wrong. Why can people not learn from Yugoslavia?
What is also significant is that pervasive intractable Arab, Palestinian and Muslim Jew hatred and even their hatred of the West, barely gets mentioned these days, though it is the core reason why Israel has not managed to find a peace solution with the Palestinians and other Arab neighbors and a core reason that puts Western interests in jeopardy.
I BELIEVE THIS IS INCORRECT.
That too is wrong. The Palestinian Arabs are a creature of British, then US Intelligence.
The British created these Nazi monsters, the US cradled them and succoured them
SADLY AGAIN VERY INCORRECT
Again this is false writing! The “West” did not hope for democracy! Do you mean to say that they are totally stupid? But this “West” has the most extensive intelligence gathering known historically to man. Of course they knew very well that the Muslim Brotherhood and Salafists (same thing despite false trails) would take power and the “West” worked tol that end. Why does the writer reject this true conclusion?
I BELIEVE THIS IS INCORRECT.
It misses the point. Such Jews are affiliated with Western Capitalism and Imperialism, as I have described above, note especially my reference to the destruction of Yugoslavia.
Islam is a Fascist ideology. But the writer obscures that the British are the King Pins of anti-Semitism (the BBC is the MAIN promoter of anti-Semitism in the world), and the US elites hate Jews, because the US hate all except their own power, and the destruction of the Jewish Nation and the control by the US elite of Jerusalem is central to that power.
The writer above obscures all of that. As Gil White said of Conrad Black, he does no service to the Jews.
Go back to the critical issue of the destruction of Yugoslavia you will find that the MAIN FORCE in the destruction of Yugoslavia was not Croatian Fascists and Nazis, not Izetbegovic Bosnian Muslim Nazis, not Albanian Kosovo Muslim Gangsters and Body Snatchers and organ Harvesters, but was the US elite, was the British, was the French, was the Germans replaying their past Nazi role.
The Islamists of Izetbegovic and Bosnia, the Nazis of Croatia, the Albanian Muslim Gangsters of Kosovo, were being promoted, led, cajoled, driven forward against the Serbs (Jews learn) by those Western Elites.
A very precise comment. I wish the Israelis internalize reality, but regretfully, many of our leadershi…p are bought by the same US elites and other foreign enemies and work on their behalf.
Felix wrote:
Unfortunately, they are all working together.
Felix: See this map. The text is easier to read at the Source below.
That means you are right. The US elites are in the middle of it. There were consequences. You reap what you sow. The U.S. sowed and it reaped. See this.
Teshuvah,
Your link to a map didn’t work. Sad… I like maps.
BO: That link works for me. Try it again. Or click Source above where it is smaller. It is also here but smaller. I’ve been looking for a larger map so I can see who the Illuminati gave Jerusalem to. So far this is the largest I’ve found. This is the WGF site but I don’t know if they talk about it.
It doesn’t matter, though, T. I’ve had enough conspiriacy stuff for the day — for much longer, in fact.
BO: Source is at http://bigthink.com/ideas/21355
Gif is at http://strangemaps.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/worldtroopmap.gif
Other link is http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1328.cfm
Most likely according to a computer engineer I just spoke to you can’t see it because of a setting in your browser blocking images or some other software. You could use another computer or go to a public library or reset your internet settings on your browser. It could be an anti-malware program. Lots of other options. I am relieved that others can see it, even if you cannot.
I have noticed a definite pattern of leftist propaganda in TV programs. For example, in an episode of Criminal Minds the FBI Agent Rossi gives a spiel demonizing and placing the blame on the Branch Davidians at Waco, TX and exonerating the FBI of the murder of 83 men, women and children. Anyone with a lick of sense can google and find plenty of info about the FBI’s culpability in that matter and find out why they did it. (I no longer watch Criminal Minds as I agree with Mandy Patinkin, the original lead of the series that the program is unnecessarily too bloody and gory)
In a Season One (2005) episode of Bones the FBI Agent Booth is expressing angst that he had to kill people as a sniper in Kosovo in regard to a massacre. He goes on to condemn Serbs and justify the U.S. and Muslims. I said, “They are lying to us.”
This type of mind control happens all the time. That is why they call this TV programming. Many people are brainwashed by too much television, even too much TV News and one’s brainwaves watching TV are at the same level as one being hypnotized. I spoke to a farmer with a large farm who was staunchly pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel. I asked, “Suppose 250 Muslims showed up and decided to camp on your land and after a time they decided that they were there first and it was their land and you should leave….” He cut me off shouting, “I’d get my gun!” I said, “Now you should understand the issue with Israel who was there first.” He didn’t agree that it was a similar picture and remains pro-Palestinian. He remains thoroughly brainwashed. See Television: opiate of the masses.
Tesh. Let me try to explain why Christian verses are not welcome on this board. Because this thread is not for the purpose of trying to get us to ‘see the light.’ There is a difference of opinion and we growed tired with the mentality of absolute right. You should still be teachable yourself. Example – You claim that the Christian prayer begins with Our Father and not Our Mother. That may be true but is incorrect. We are all made in the image of G-d. How so? It is not a gender image – It is a spiritual image. Putting a face on G-d is an abomination in Judaism. You claiming G-d to be Father ONLY is putting a male ONLY image on G-d. We do not agree on this point. Also, in the NT Jesus was also not impressed with this male dominance thing either. He behaved more like a Reform Jew and really upset the religious and publically defended women and chastised the men for not being held accountable. Because we can only genderize – if one is looking for a spiritual friend, mother, father etc – all of these could be found in G-d as we are created in G-ds image. This is just one possible interruptation as far as what kind of a Jew was Jesus, but no not even me can say that it is not possible. There are several avenues that could be explored if one wanted to because we know from our own studies that the Christian interrupation has serious flaws. Anyway, G-d is not a man or woman and man does need to reckon with woman – I do believe that G-d is already insisting on it. Don’t forget, woman is G-ds creation and its not good to piss G-d off too much. G-d may be slow to anger – but G-d does get angry…
dove:
We do not agree on many points. I am not trying to evangelize you. I wouldn’t even try. We have a Catch 22 here. I’m not allowed to post verses from the right side of the Bible and in order to answer your post I would need to but Ted would just delete my post. Therefore, I will leave you to dweller for when he returns from his sabbatical or wherever he is to answer you. He is Jewish, is very well educated, debates well and will enjoy your post. Frankly, I think anything I would post would be a waste of my time and yours.
Teshuvah
I oppose all conspiracy theorists as the word is known.
I think they all depart from the method of knowledge, which is study of the material at hand, reflection, conclusion or “moment of truth”, placing of this new truth under the microscope, practice.
In other words there is truth but it must be based on study.
All of the conspiracy theorists like Jones, but all I have read, leave large holes because they select what they want to study.
We do not need shadowy globalists and their committees to understand what is happening. We have US power, we have British power, German etc.
We have a very deep crisis in the capitalist system which I estimate as worse than the 1930s.
Why you may ask/ Please do!
Felix. I don’t follow Alex Jones because I think he is a double agent for the globalists. See Alex Jones is an Inside Job. He says some things that are true but omits much more. Rush Limbaugh and many other on the air conservatives probably are as well. I would recommend some PhDs who know about conspiracy facts (not theories) such as these two.
***South African Prof. Walter Veith brings a trained scientist’s mind to the question where facts are facts and theories are tested and quotes from globalist (RCC and Freemasons) count for much…in their own words with documentation. His series is called Total Onslaught. Start anywhere. That is English at that link. He lectures are also in other languages as well, German, Hebrew, I think Spanish, too.
***Dennis Laurence Cuddy, historian and political analyst, received a Ph.D. from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill (major in American History, minor in political science). Dr. Cuddy has taught at the university level, has been a political and economic risk analyst for an international consulting firm, and has been a Senior Associate with the U.S. Department of Education. Cuddy has also testified before members of Congress on behalf of the U.S. Department of Justice. Dr. Cuddy has authored or edited twenty books and booklets, and has written hundreds of articles appearing in newspapers around the nation, including The Washington Post, Los Angeles Times and USA Today. He has been a guest on numerous radio talk shows in various parts of the country, such as ABC Radio in New York City, and he has also been a guest on the national television programs USA Today and CBS’s Nightwatch. Click to see some of his titles.
No thanks Tesh. If I have any questions I will ask my Rabbi.
First the Samson “option” or the Samson “alternative”.
I have studied this key posting on Israpundit. I have learned from Yamit that if push comes to shove ALL Israeli Jewish leaders are “Samsons”.
Israeli people, and the world, must therefore understand that the essence of having any or all weapons is FIRST STRIKE.
The technology has changed yes. But the laws of war have changed little from the parable of the man walking down the street to kill you. Strategy and only strategy available is kill him first.
The world must understand that Jews as a people have been oppressed and kicked about first by the Romans/Christians, later by the Muslims, today even conspiracy nutheads get in on the act (all really human’s dregs).
I do not think that the Samson “alternative” is inevitable because of my politics.
Where I depart from Francisco on this issue is that he says Israel needs a “leader”. I say that Israel needs a leadership, a party, and that (all respect to Feiglin) it does not have such a party. Nice though to have a leader but we cannot depend on chance.
That is such an obvious point.
(Many years since I said that here. Ted once stopped me writing articles connected with that)
The reason this must be a United Front type of leadership is that we all disagree but are united on vital things to do with Israel.
The essential thing is telling the truth. On that Francisco scores high with me.
Also I emphasise, not just Hajj Amin el Husseini, but the Samson “option” must be got across to the world.
I have met many anti-Semites and there is apart from them a type of person who needs to be wakened up.
Why Iran is such a danger is that they are getting nuclear bombs, and in the period of 1944 to 1945 when Hitler and Himmler knew they were defeated they ACCELERATED the gassing. They were mad. They were not rational. Nothing about anti-Semitism is rational.
An understanding of this simple concept of history has got great implication for Israeli leadership today.
Things are dark. We face massive enemies. We face especially a Jew hating media in Israel, not just in the outside world. On the positive side there is the most progressive “alternative” media in Israel, hence Francisco was invited on an important radio show. In that regard Israel is the most progressive nation on earth today.
Please consider action. The world is changed not by thought but by practice, even though that practice must be guided by correct thought.
The first step is to find a leader/leadership which will have a method of working and living which tells it as it is. This means telling the truth about history, especially the relevance to the situation of understanding who is Hajj Amin el Husseini, but including an understanding of the Samson “option”.
Felix wrote:
There are many who need to be awakened, however, in the Last Days it is G-d who opens their eyes….or not. The Bible says, Ps 119:130 The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple. Too few are interested in His words and therefore are not given understanding by Him. No amount of talk, or writing or posting links makes any difference other than to encourage them to choose for or against good or evil. This is the time of testing. G-d sends angels to record who each one chooses to submit themselves to, G-d or Ha Satan. The lukewarm appeasers He will count with the Wicked.
Teshuvah
You misunderstood my reference to Jones
What I wrote was:
That is precisely what I wrote. My opposition to Jones is the same as my opposition to all of these conspiracy theorists. I mean ALL.
I was using jones as an example OF A METHOD. Whether he is a double agent means little to me. What means everything to me is that he imposes on reality HIS version of reality. In other words he chooses what he decides to place under his microscope.
This is the method employed by ALL of these conspiracy theorists.
Thus they are used by the Power System in our world to lead the people away from an understanding of what is happening.
In this way there is also a door opened wide to antisemitism.
As an example of this the Rothchild Bankers figure largely. But you will not find any objective analysis of the history of the Rothchildes which is what is needed to get to the truth.
They (the conspiracy theorists) impose their conclusions onto reality.
Dennis Cuddy is no different at all in this respect. Cuddy imposes his thoughts onto history and reality and this allows him to depart from reality and to emerge with his grand predictions analyses and so on. It is the most dangerous method possible. I do hate it, and I hate and despise all of those who use this method.
For all my differences with Yamit he does keep returning and returning to analyses of what is actually happening in the world.
Same with Shy. Same with Bland. So for all the differences there is a point of unity possible.
F..k them! Come on my friends let’s destroy them!
D
Anti, in the Greek, is not always translated as “against.”
Sometimes (indeed often), “anti” means FALSE, or a counterfeit of the real article.
The Antichrist is an ersatz Christ — a false Messiah. (The Jewish People have known a bucketload of ‘em.)
Arguably, he will not be somebody presuming to “oppose” Christ
— quite the contrary, he will come as one IMPERSONATING Moshiakh, masquerading as he.
So, since the REAL Moshiakh (okay, whoever the real one is) will be a Jew
— it follows that likewise will the FALSE one also be a Member-of-the-Tribe.
Really? — so for all these centuries since the Resurrection he’s been, what, a Baptist?
— Rastafarian? Scientologist? Pentacostal? Trotskyite?
Come on now, Dove, what nice Jewish boy, having just once tasted Bagels-&-Lox, could give that up for — I dunno, Babyback Ribs? Stir-fried snails? BLT?
It was a Jewish prayer BEFORE it was a ‘Christian’ one.
There were no “Christians” in Jesus’ day — only a bunch of Jews who believed, rightly or wrongly, that they’d found Moshiakh. So they called him that, but they NEVER called themselves by his title. (That came a lot later, long after his death — and whatever followed.)
At the time that HE taught that prayer to them, and throughout his earthly sojourn, there were NO “Christians” — only Jews being taught BY a Jew.
You got a problem with a prayer that begins by calling God “Our Father”?
Nu, and the Avinu Malkeinu is what, chopped liver?
“Avinu Malkeinu, khaneinu v’aneinu, ki ein banu ma’asim. Assei imanu ts’dakah vakhesed, vehoshiyeinu” :
“Our Father, our King; be gracious with us & answer us — and though we have no worthy deeds, treat us with us charity & kindliness and save us!”
(The music is exquisite, especially the harmonies. Not that that’s relevant to the point.)
Check out the Artscroll Machzor (or ANY Machzor); I’m sure you’ll find it there.
Traditionally recited during the Ten Days of Penitence, beginning w/ Rosh haShana & culminating with Yom Kippur.
As I recall, Rebbe Aqiba also invoked it in the presence of a serious drought that was parching the land.
Avinu sheh-baShamayim — “Our Father who art in Heaven” [yes, that's the literal translation, boys & girls] — has ALWAYS been Jewish, and always will be.
You are making a false distinction, boychik. Gender can be a spiritual image as easily as a physical one. It’s not necessarily about plumbing & hair distribution.
The essence of maleness is DIRECTION (not erection) & ASSERTION (not insertion). The essence of femaleness is RECEPTIVENESS & RESPONSIVENESS (not “passivity”).
What makes God the ultimate Male is that He is the Prime Mover, the Originator, the Creator.
This needn’t mean that He doesn’t ALSO have a feminine aspect, a responsive quality, as well
— e.g., He answers prayer.
But primarily He’s masculine.
“Let there be light” is all Male
— especially if Light follows a command like that
(otherwise it could be embarrassing, to say nothing of megalomaniacal).
In fact, in a real sense, God is the only true male.
All the rest of us, physical males — with the bass voices & the bulging biceps & that weird little appendage that picks the strangest times to stand up & salute (and not to) — are in the final analysis, essentially impostors.
The truth is that whichever Toolbox one is equipped with upon arrival in this world, his/her soul is ALWAYS female in relation to God, i.e., intended to be receptive to his/her Maker.
Well, yes of course, but only if one views God as a physical being — because then that would be tantamount to confusing the Creator with His Creation.
But to speak of “God’s face” in a metaphorical sense is not intrinsically wrong — and CAN be quite constructive, useful.
dweller: I am really impressed by your post. I’m going to print it out and tape it to the wall. I didn’t expect such a wonderful answer as you provided. Thanks for the tip about Avinu Malkeinu. I looked that up on Youtube and found many. I especially like Barbra Streisand’s version even though I don’t like her liberal politics. Thank you very much!
Are you a Rabbi?
Real cute Tesh. Dweller a Rabbi? hahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahaha
Not unless you want to hire me as one; I’m free.
(Well, actually I’m NOT “free,” but I AM cheap.)
All-the-same, my thanks for the kind words; they’re always welcome, and I’ll take all I can get.
dweller wrote:
Then are you a retired Rabbi?
Retired, yes.
But not from being a “Rabbi.”
But then, rabbi simply means “teacher,” nothing more.
Not that I’ve ever thought of myself as a teacher; more like a student.
Yeah right. So was I. Based on his writings and understanding of Judaism, I don’t think he was even a Jew.
Yamit:
Yamit, Paul’s c.v. is at Acts 22:3 and Php 3:4-7. KJB only, please.
C’mon, Yamit. You know J didn’t write anything. If you mean his “sayings”, of course, I totally agree with you. “Judaism” wasn’t invented until Yavneh.
In that remark, Bland, I think Yamit was talking about PAUL, not Jesus.
Yamit:
This is a hot button. Prepare yourself. …. Be calm. … Ready?
In reverse order, He wrote in the sand. He wrote with a finger on a wall. He wrote in stone, 2 stones really. He also wrote His name on land around Jerusalem visible from the air.
Yes.
No.
No.
And, uh, No.
Clearly a case of mistaken identity.
Somebody ELSE did those things.
A Friend of the Family, if you like
— but not Yeshua haNitzri
and the latter would be the first to TELL you so.
dweller: It shall remain a mystery for the time being. Think pre-incarnate.
Pr 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.
Well Dweller, that may be your take on it but it is definitely not mine. We will have to agree to disagree. In my opinion Paul was a counterfeit – and that is where alot of this male gender dominance stems from in Christianity. No doubt, women still have obstacles in Judaism. I wonder why??
dove: I can see you getting a lovely post from dweller about male dominance in the left side of the Bible pointing to what G-d Himself said. The essence of Sh’ma is believers submit, obey and serve G-d which is a female perspective and He reigns. If you are as feminist, you reign and He won’t put up with it for long. As I have suspected, you are a feminist and probably New Ager. You should be aware that New Age was started by the Roman Catholic Church and is based in Witchcraft. Remember Jezebel’s end! In the past I have been falsely accused of being a feminist. One woman told me she thought I hated men more than anyone she had met in her life. She misread the situation entirely. I was never a feminist and didn’t hate men. I really do despise abusers; there are many and I don’t suffer fools gladly. Feminism is the opposite of what the Bible says. Obedience is submission and G-d being “HE” isn’t going to ever submit to Jezebel.
This is by a famous Bible commentator from the 1700′s:
Yeshua did more to set woman free than anyone ever on earth. Paul was not against women no matter how you want to cherry pick what he wrote out of context.
A “counterfeit” of what?
He was the star pupil of Rabban Gam’liel.
Both the Mideast and Europe had ALWAYS been (with tiny, isolated, and not-very-long-lived exceptions) overwhelmingly male-dominant, since WAY long before Paul’s time.
It simply will not do to go blaming that particular pathology — gynophobia — on Paul or his writings.
The truth is that, on one level or another, men have always been scared WITLESS of women (whether they’ve been conscious of that fear, or not)
— it’s part of the post-Edenic legacy.
But people who have axes to grind will forever be tempted to seek justification or verification for their fondestly-harbored mishegasse in whatever existing writings they can find.
Lots of fine sounding words but in the end just warmed over boilerplate Christian revisionism of history and facts.
In our Bible G-d is usually but not always referred to in the male construct from the first verse of the Torah. B’reshit bara Elohim — “In the beginning G-d created.” The verb bara (he created) suggests a masculine subject. Elohim is also masculine in form. The most common phrases in the Tanach are vayomer Elohim and vayomer YXXW — “and G-d said” (hundreds of occurrences).
Again, the verb vayomer (he said) is masculine; it is never vatomer, the feminine of the same verb form. The personal name of G-d, YXXH, is presented in Exodus 3 as if the Y (Hebrew yod) is the masculine subjective prefix to the verb to be.
The Creator of space and time is unique from all existence.
by Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan
“In Jewish thought G-d cannot be seen because there is no place empty of Him. The reason is very much like the reason that the air cannot be seen; it is an integral part of our environment, and this is all the more true of G-d. The reason we cannot see G-d is not because He is too transcendental, but because He is too immanent. The only time we are aware of the air is when the wind blows. Similarly, we are only aware of G-d when He acts to manifest His presence. This is why the same word, ruach, denotes both wind and spirit-”
In the Hebrew language of the Torah the divine presence of G-d, the Holy Spirit, the Shekhinah is feminine.
Can’t tell what post in particular you’re referencing here.
Many of these posts are still, apparently, out of sequence.
Seems I can’t take a powder for ten days without you losing your way home.
— When the bullies took your lunch money, did they get your bus money too?
Better not tell me; I think I know the answer (and anyway, it looks like I’ll be gone for a couple more days, and the thread may have been cut by the time I get back).
Ted pls release my comment from moderation
Teshuvah: dweller is a mystic who believes in Jesus. :Claims J us the messiah and has attributes greateer than any l
iving human past present of future, he was dweller’s guy. To be Jewish and a believer in Jesus is an oxymoron and it doesn’t matter if he really denies the divinity if J.
A rabbi for j maybe but not a Jewish one, for sure.
Only from the perspective of a conformist
— or anybody else whose capacity to think outside the box is severely compromised.
You mean like the Marquis de Sade. Charlie Manson, Woody Allen, John Wayne Gacy, Gary Ridgeway,Andrei Chikatilo ,Bruno Ludke,Aleister Crowley,
James Joyce: “He liked to fart on people’s faces while having sex (and no, he wasn’t Canadian). He even wrote really passionate letters about it.
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart actually wrote these Lyrics: Leck mich im Arsch
Lick my ass nicely,
lick it nice and clean,
nice and clean, lick my ass.
That’s a greasy desire,
nicely buttered,4444oo
like the licking of roast meat, my daily activity.
Three will lick more than two,
Everybody lick his own ass himself (which ‘cmon, maybe this was about a dog…)
come on, just try it,
These examples of those who thought out of the box and not a conformist among them.
and lick, lick, lick.
Yes, quite so, the “examples” you offerred were all notorious rebels, NOT conformists.
What I had said was that the assertion, “To be Jewish and a believer in Jesus is an oxymoron,” is valid only from the perspective of a conformist OR anybody else who can’t think outside the box. I stand by the remark. Re-read the post.
Your problem, Yamit, is that instead of remaining calm, you let yourself become angry over what I say, you lose the sense of a matter — and that makes you go off half-cocked.
But back on-point:
The conformist CANNOT think outside of the box.
The rebel does nothing BUT think outside the box
— typically because he’s so traumatized by his experience of the superficialities of conformity that he compulsively thinks outside the box.
Rebellion & conformity are actually opposite sides of the same coin
But the coin is counterfeit
— the whole coin, not just one or the other face of it.
Shabbat Shalom, one and all.
Yamit wrote:
It does matter.
He is in a class of his own.
Christians and Jews have a Mexican Stand-off of sorts:
***Christians believe Yeshua is the Son of G-d and divine and can’t become Jews because that would be denying Christ.
***Jews don’t believe Yeshua is divine, believe Christians are Idolators and must deny Christ.
It isn’t going to be sorted out until the Messiah comes back and we can all see who He is.
As long as Jews and Christians understand this issue, we will get along. Somewhat. Ro 11:25.
It is actually good that many Christians are coming out of the apostate, Catholicized church and embracing Hebrew roots and Jewish feasts. They are undoing what Constantine and others did and refusing to take the Mark and worship the Beast (RCC system).
He certainly thinks so. LOL
Mexican standoff? If Jesus was god, how-come he has a Mexican name?
I don’t give a damn about Messiahs, don’t need any. “If you can liken Judaism to a trunk of a tree The Messiah is not even a twig”, Rabbi Joseph Albo of Monreal in Aragon 1380-1444
The Tanach through the Jewish Prophets speaks of an end times Messianic age but never mentions a Messiah. Messiah as a savior is totally Christian Paganism.
Yamit wrote:
Yamit, not all Rabbis agree with each other or have the same experiences. Can you explain this?
First of all most Jews do not understand or abide by kabalah. While some Kabalists like the Ramban hadand continue to have influence in and on Jewish thought there has always been a great deal of skeptical rejection in Judaism of Kabbalism. I don’t know much about Kadduri except that he was used by family and friends for political purposes and for profit. In his later years he was not very rational and could be barely understood when he spoke and his children and others were always by his side to interpret what he was saying that sounded like incoherent gibberish to me.
Re: the letter? It was never authenticated and even if real and true, the name Yehoshua is a common Hebrew name where just in Israel yjrtr might be several hundred thousands of Jews with the same name or derivatives.
I love the way Christians always inject themselves in Jewish concerns, and this is typical. When rabbis defame Christianity they are the devil and most Christians historically have negative opinions of rabbis until one says something that appears in demented Christian minds seem to confirm some Christian belief then they are quoted and used by Christians for their own narrow purposes. You can’t have it both ways.
Re: Yamit, not all Rabbis agree with each other or have the same experiences. Can you explain this?
All orthodox rabbis agree on the basic principles of Judaism and Torah. Differences of opinion arise from different understandings of interpretation of secondary issues. Even your Jesus recognized this element of Judaism. Jews arrive at their understanding of Torah by intensive study of the texts and a method of hashing out with others the true meanings derived within the texts. Jews have as a guide the opinions and commentaries of Jewish scholars who have studied and commented on the same texts over the past 3300 years. If you don’t know Hebrew you can never really understand properly the Hebrew Scriptures, no translation is adequate.
Rav Nachman asked Rav Yitzhak, ‘have you heard when Bar Nafli will come? ’Rav Yitzhak asked, ‘who is Bar Nafli’…Rav Yitzhak said, the Messiah [Sanhedrin 96b]
The Messiah will be absolutely mortal, born of a man and a woman [Rambam, Sefer HaVikuah 88]
The king messiah will be like one of us in every aspect, with a mother and a father. He also will be among the people in exile, suffering the afflictions of exile as his brethren.[Abarbanel, Yeshuot Meschicho 3:3]
Shevet achim gam yachad: “tribes of brothers [living and worshipping] as one, totally united” is the famous refrain of psalm 133, one of the fifteen songs of ascent chanted on the holy days of Sukkot the festival of booths. Hinai mah tov: “it is so good…” In the culminating of the three pilgrim feasts, all Israel unite to re-experience and affirm the teachings in the wilderness and to affirm that they will raise et Sukkat David HaNofelet, “the fallen booth of David” (Amos 9:11). From this verse the Mishnaic sage Rav Nachman derives a nickname of messiah (above). The extensive discussion of his arrival and of the end of days in Talmudic Tractate Sanhedrin emphasizes that the timing of his appearance reflects the status and behavior of all Israel:
My reply to you never made it through the filter.
Check your inbox I’ll send it that way.
Any ‘messiah’ who was “born of a man and a woman,”
— would not be EQUIPPED to perform the mission of the Messiah.
Anyone born of a man & a woman would be subject to the same compulsiveness that has dogged the steps of every man since Adam first yielded to temptation.
The Messiah would have to be an original creation, like Adam (not born of a human father) — yet, unlike Adam, be able to face temptation head-on and NOT yield to it as Adam did.
If he were “like one of us in EVERY aspect”
— then who in bloody blue blazes would need the bloke?!
Ah, quite so.
He is the very sap — unseen and generally unacknowledged (by friend and foe alike) — that quietly nourishes and strengthens it, even (indeed especially) under the most arduous of circumstances.
Teshuvah says:
January 7, 2012 at 1:55 am
dove: I can see you getting a lovely post from dweller about male dominance in the left side of the Bible pointing to what G-d Himself said. The essence of Sh’ma is believers submit, obey and serve G-d which is a female perspective and He reigns. If you are as feminist, you reign and He won’t put up with it for long. As I have suspected, you are a feminist and probably New Ager. You should be aware that New Age was started by the Roman Catholic Church and is based in Witchcraft. Remember Jezebel’s end! In the past I have been falsely accused of being a feminist. One woman told me she thought I hated men more than anyone she had met in her life. She misread the situation entirely. I was never a feminist and didn’t hate men. I really do despise abusers; there are many and I don’t suffer fools gladly. Feminism is the opposite of what the Bible says. Obedience is submission and G-d being “HE” isn’t going to ever submit to Jezebel.
Teshuva YOU HAVE CROSSED THE LINE…When one is trying to express their view on the gender attributes of the Creator and how they are manifested labelling me a feminist, new ager and a Jezebel is TOTALLY OUT OF LINE. I agree to disagree with you but will NOT TOLERATE being blasphemed by you. In other words, I rebuke you! You said yourself that you had been falsely accused in the past for being a feminist
dove wrote:
Hardly. I’ve merely followed the tracks dweller laid down. You should pay attention to him on this issue.
You most DEFINITELY have Teshuvah. Yamit explained it alot better and I didn’t see him accusing me of witchcraft or being a Jez. HOW DARE YOU! I don’t even read horroscopes – for that reason. I avoid anything that can be associated with the occult – as minor as it may seem to others. And I definitely don’t have a sexual history that could equate me with such evil. Time for you to move on woman!
Oh, come on, Dove. How does one “blaspheme” another flesh-&-blood man?
Blasphemy is something one does to GOD, is it not?
— Or were you about to make an announcement of something we didn’t yet know about?
(Have you alerted the media?)
dweller: Is Dove a man or a woman? Perhaps we are dealing with an Ahab and not a Jezebel. Either would have liked to play G-d. You called Dove boychik. Is that term for males only?
Yes. It originated amongst Slavic Jews, and is typically assigned with some affection to a young man seen to display more chutzpah than good sense.
I assumed our correspondent to be male, as he/she presents as a Jew of fairly conventional mien.
All-the-same, though, I could be wrong about the gender; I rarely give much thought to it anyway, except where matters of common courtesy & essential modesty are concerned. (Then too, when blogging, anybody can post any handle they like.)
FWIW:
The Hebrew name, “Dov” (that’s the spelling of the usual English transliteration) has the same root as David — and, like David, it means “beloved.”
It’s pronounced with an “almost long o” sound [viz., the vowel is somewhat clipped, and more glottal, than it would be in American-accented English], not like the short “u” in the English word represented in the species of bird, “Dove.”
And, in my experience, it’s always been a Boy’s name — in Hebrew.
Still, there’s nothing sacred about tradition per se, and no reason it couldn’t be a Girl’s name.
In any case, it surely wouldn’t be the first time we got it wrong on this site about who was who, gender-wise.
As I recall, a few folks had PresentCompany pegged wrong in the gender dept for quite a while there; what’s more, at least one poster also got YoursTruly wrong at first.
Then too, posting on any blogsite has got to be something akin to having the entire household going for an early morning skinny-dip in the ocean
— when you first come out to dry off, everything that dangles is so shrivelled from the cold water, it’s hard to tell the boys from the girls.
So give us the news, Dove, the straight skinny (as it were) — once & for all — so we can clear it up & get on with more significant matters :
Have we been ‘blaspheming’ a male god, or a female one?
dweller wrote:
Anything we say is likely to irritate dove.
This is fascinating. I’ve seen the name dov for a man but didn’t make the link in this case. I posted for a while on a board where many were New Age witches, wiccan, assorted liberals and leftists and to the last one pro-Palestinian and really antisemitic. I hoped to education them about Israel, but alas left them to their strong delusions. They hated me as much as “the Jews.” There was on that board a woman named dove who was very much a New Age witch.
Actually Dweller I like every other human being do have a soul, a spirit. And yes, a spirit of one CAN blaspheme against the spirit of another. I chose Dove to use as a name not based on gender but more for symbolic reasons. I like a Dove (the bird) and it symbolizes peace, something we as Jews strive for – although the cost is quite high. I have never posted on any other board usng the name Dove. I only use the name Dove here. And since you and Teshuva have demonstated such malice towards me I will not answer any of your personal questions.
I think it’s time for the moderator to step in. I don’t appreciate when people on this board ‘fill in the blanks’ as to what they think I or other people on this board are. My Rabbi thinks this post is too negative to Jews and thinks I should consider commenting elsewhere if the moderator is not going to step in to put a stop to this. I could take the time and space to somewhat explain to people like Tesh but why should I? People like her are dirt diggers – and where there is no proof of dirt she conjours it up. I have dealth with many people like her. As Jews we know we have vast differences of opinion and we can debate and discuss. However, one does not have to be spiritually raped by this jargon coming out of Tesh. This is just a news sight, commenting on articles. All she is really accomplishing when it comes to me is making me a stronger more vigilant Jew. Perhaps the real reason why G-d seems to manifest in more of a male than female tone is because man has failed, over and over again. People do need a spiritual father and they only be able to find that in God….but that does not make G-d a male. I understand where I am coming from, so does my Rabbi and so do many Jews and Gentiles that I associate with…and thats all that matters – the people who KNOW me would NEVER accuse me of such garbage.
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