Is Another Holocaust Coming?
The Signs Are There If Jews Only Open Their Eyes
By Bill Narvey
What? Another Holocaust could be just around the bend?
Renowned conservative pundit, Mark Steyn sure seems to think so.
An article, December 6th, 2011 in The Jewish Tribune out of Toronto by Joanne Hill, that likely has not received the attention it deserves, certainly raises the specter of another genocidal holocaust against the Jews, Western society complicit: Resurgence in antisemitism may lead to second Holocaust, Steyn says.
Hill was reporting on a recent address by Steyn to about 1,000 people gathered at Toronto’s Reform Jewish synagogue, Holy Blossom Temple, which focused on resurgent antisemitism, particularly in Europe.
The article’s title is taken from Steyn’s startling dire warning of what the future may hold for us Jews.
Hysteria? Fear mongering? Maybe, but to what purpose and what is in it for Steyn who is not Jewish?
Then again, taking a closer look at all the signs, maybe not.
Maybe Steyn is spot on and what we are witnessing is the world stage being set for a final one act Holocaust reality play that will ultimately see the world rid of Israel and the Jews, once and for all.
So, what are these signs?
Jews know that the most ancient of evils, Jew hatred that has taken an unimaginable toll on the Jewish people throughout the millennia, is extant today.
They know that while intractable and unbridled Jew hatred, be it in its purest form or in the guise of Israel hatred, while coming mostly from the Muslim world, is also coming from parts of the Christian and other non-Muslim world.
That millennial old Christian Jew hatred, in recent years has been resurgent as Steyn notes, especially in Europe where Jew hatred is finding increasing expression by word and deed, not just from ordinary citizens, but from European religious, institutional, media and political leaders.
Most, if not all 3rd world non-Muslim countries that have historically had little experience or even contact with Jews and Israel, have for a number of reasons, all bad, found common cause with Muslim nations in their hatred of Jews and Israel.
China, a rising economic powerhouse, also having little to no historical experience and contact with Jews, is aligning with the Muslims, largely because of economic opportunities the Muslim world affords them.
Similarly Eastern Europe, led by Russia, the evil empire as Regan called it, has a very long history of systemic Jew hatred throughout all levels of its society, again seeks to regain world superpower status by cozying up to the Muslim world where it finds many economic opportunities and by trying to build itself up, largely at the West’s expense.
The former Soviet Union, armed the Arabs against Israel as has both Russia and China since. It is Russia that provided Iran the technology and assistance to develop its nuclear program. Both Russia and China have been instrumental in throwing sand in the gears of Western efforts to bring pressure on Iran through largely economic sanctions, to get Iran to abandon their nuclear agenda and WMD aspirations.
Incidentally, Europe that is so dependent on Iranian crude and fearful of blowback should they support sanctions against Iran, have always been wishy washy in that regard and now have announced they are not supportive of sanctions.
Iran talks out of both sides of its mouth when it denies it has any WMD aspirations (a denial that is undeniably false), but maintains its threatening posture and words that it is dedicated to wiping Israel off the map. Add to that, Iran is the greatest sponsor of Islamic Jihad, arming them to not only attack Israel, but the West.
As for Jews – well Holocaust denying Iran, if it can pull the trigger on its goal of bringing a Holocaust to Israel, will be bringing that Holocaust to Jews the world over.
At least the Soviets during the cold war were rational enough to know that a nuclear war with the West would destroy both, so the concept of M.A.D. held the Soviets in check. For Islamic Iran however, the concept of M.A.D. does not enter into the calculation of their national interests and aspirations.
Iran’s leaders are moved only by their religion of Islam to believe that their religious prophecies leading to Islamic world supremacy can only be realized by their leading a deadly apocalyptic showdown with the non-Muslim world, with Israel being the first to go, regardless of how many Muslims must die in the process.
The American led industrialized West, so dependent on Arab oil for almost a century has made itself increasingly vulnerable to the power of Arab oil and wealth.
That economic reality was painfully brought home to the West with the Saudi led oil embargo of 1973 as payback for American and Western support of Israel during the 1973 Yom Kippur War that enabled Israel to avert being destroyed by the Jew hating genocidal minded Arabs.
That unforgotten lesson and the strong likelihood that the Arabs will use such tactic again if American support of Israel exceeds the tolerance level of Arab Jew haters, weighs heavy on American and Western minds.
America and the West repeatedly declare as a mantra that the vast majority of Muslims are good and decent people, while it is only a relatively very small number of Jihadists that threaten the West. The West knows full well however, that the majority, if not vast majority of the Muslim world are not only Jew haters, but a very great many of them have some sympathies at least, with the Jihadists who express and act on their profound hatred of Jews, Israel and the West.
Fear of hostile and violent Muslim reaction against Western interests in the Muslim Middle East as well as on Western soil, is palpable. That fear too, figures largely in American and Western thinking, positions, policies and actions intended to protect and advance Western interests in the Muslim world and which have a corresponding negative impact on Israel.
These Western policies that have been rightly called appeasement, have been evidenced in the anti-Israel rhetoric and deeds of many Western leaders and media organizations and in Pres. Obama’s various pronouncements such as his apology speech to Al Arabiyya, his Cairo apology tour, his Mid East policies and his continuously singling out Israel to wring concessions from and to blame for the Israel-Palestinian peace process going off the rails as well as on a number of other counts.
What is also significant is that pervasive intractable Arab, Palestinian and Muslim Jew hatred and even their hatred of the West, barely gets mentioned these days, though it is the core reason why Israel has not managed to find a peace solution with the Palestinians and other Arab neighbors and a core reason that puts Western interests in jeopardy.
One cannot ignore as well that the recent upheavals in the Middle East that began in Tunisia, have not led to an Arab Spring ushering in democracy, that the West hoped for. Rather, these upheavals have opened the door for Jew and Western hating Islamists to seize power and drag their people further back into Islamic and Jihadist tyranny.
If that was not enough, Jew hatred is now a full blown sentiment and inspiration for words and deeds of the non-religious secular left wing, so numerous in Western nations.
Why any Jew would want to be affiliated with these left wingers is mind boggling, but many are in one way or another. Go figure!
Can Jews and Israel be saved by the mega millions of Christians, who contrary to some of their Christian brethren, are staunch friends and supporters of Jews and Israel? Maybe, but then again maybe not.
It is no comfort to Jews that Christians don’t even seem willing to stand up for fellow Christians, persecuted in Muslim lands of which there have been increasing reports over the last several decades.
Consider Raymond Ibrahim’s article Muslim Persecution of Christians: November 2011 at: http://www.hudson-ny.org/2676/muslim-persecution-of-christians-november-2011 summarizing only some recent instances of hate filled treatment of minority Christians in a number of Muslim nations. There are countless such reports in a similar vein.
The Pope in his recent Christmas address called in banal terms for peace in the world and good will to all, specifically mentioning peace for Israel and Palestinians, but he uttered not a word about Muslim persecution of Christians.
God on High must be shaking his head and sneering in disgust at this Pope who pompously claims to be the Vickar of Christ in this world.
Not to just beat up on the Pope, but Christian leaders and their flocks have simply not come together to fight against this lethal scourge of hatred that so many fellow Christians are being subjected to in a number of Muslim lands.
Perhaps Christians have a sense of security from and are comforted by their numbers of 2.6 million and figure they can afford to lose 1, 10 or even 100 million of their flock and barely notice the loss.
Jews however, number just 13 million. It is no overstatement to say that Jews can ill afford to lose even one Jew to Jew hatred, let alone all of Israel, if Iran and other Jew hating Arab nations and Palestinians had their way.
In spite of all these ominous signs that portend potential existential disaster for Jews and Israel, Jews seem to be more consumed with arguing and fighting over their differing theological, political and ideological differing views on Judaism, Israel and American led Western leadership as it relates to Jews and Israel. Those factional fractious and often hostile and angry opposing views, only serve to injuriously divide and weaken the Jewish community at large and distract it from clearly seeing and reacting to the millennial threat of Jew hatred that is again on the rise and again existentially threatens us all.
The foregoing is only a summary of signs that a confluence of factors are fast coalescing to make a perfect Jew hating storm that could lead to yet another Holocaust for the Jews and Israel, while the West, for reasons of protecting its own interests, could choose to just stand by and let happen.
If Jews are not totally alarmed by the foregoing summary of signs, they need only do a simple internet search with key words to bring up countless pages of links to news reports and articles that will flesh out these signs with so many detailed proofs that Jews will not be able to deny these signs that impending doom could be near.
Yes, it is comforting for Jews to wishfully think and hope that the existential dangers of Jew hatred are not as bad as they seem, that another Holocaust just cannot happen, that coincidence will smile on and spare Jews and Israel or believe, as an article of faith, that God will intervene in a timely fashion to save Jews and Israel and ensure their survival now and forever.
All these comforting thoughts are understandable, but can Jews really afford to find comfort in willful blindness, hopes and prayers and thus figure they have the luxury of time on their hands to take a wait and see attitude?
All the clear, unmistakable and ominous signs are screaming NO!
God helps those who help themselves and by God, Jews have no more moments to spare before coming together now – right now, to begin to fight to avert any chance of disaster befalling them, before that chance is erased by the passage of time and changing circumstance.
They came to kill us we won! Let’s eat…
“Every Jew A 22″
Aside from the fact that 22 rhymes with Jew… why stop at .22?
Still pining for that Tavor…
That’s hardly cause for rejoicing, and I don’t think you’ll be saying “Let’s eat!” when it happens. I know Sebastian’s Day is tomorrow night; but that’s a night for Israel’s enemies to get drunk. Let’s you and I be sober.
Holocaust Survivor speaks
Holocaust Survivor Speaks
they coined .22 because it rhymed with Jew.
The older Jews understand the meaning of the quote. Google it.
I know the above is frequently quoted as being in the Bible. It isn’t. Benjamin Franklin said that. The truth is G-d helps those who call upon him in sincerity and can’t help themselves. Is another Holocaust coming? Yes, but this one will include Christians as well. For years, Christians have been having dreams and visions per Joel 2:28-32 given by the Ruach HoKodesh of persecution against them and being required to deny Jesus Christ or be killed. It makes no difference in this case what you think about “denying Jesus Christ” as that is merely the subject in the dreams. A Pre-Trib Rapture pastor in Chicago had a dream of being tortured for her faith. That was a surprise to her because she thought she would be raptured out of here before any tribulation (tribulum – testing). No one leaves without being tested first. Others have had dreams and visions of mushroom clouds, martial law, being processed for prison camps, missiles falling, enemy planes strafing cities, etc. I did a long post about this earlier but Ted did not release it from moderation. Here are a couple typical dreams I saved. There are so many, I stopped saving them several years ago.
It is therefore necessary to deploy scientific propaganda in Europe so if this ever does happen, it will happen to the militant Muslims and not the Jews. What’s black and brown and looks good on an Islamic supremacist? See 0:45 A Rottweiler!
There are people who will always want somebody to hate. We should therefore give them that somebody. Possible PsyWar cartoon:
Frame 1: Skinhead in White Pride T-shirt is yelling [expletives for Black people] at a Black man in a Black Power shirt who is yelling [expletives for white people]
Frame 2: Militant Islamic rape apes, depicted as subhumans, begin to grope a blonde woman with blue eyes and an ebony-skinned Black woman.
Frame 3: The men’s shirts now both say “Infidel,” the men are holding baseball bats, and one says, “Time to take out the TRASH, Brother.” The other says “Damned straight, Brother!”
Frame 4: The Musloids have been beaten to a pulp, the white man is walking away with the blonde on his arm, and the Black man has the Black woman on his arm. “Our heroes!” the women proclaim.
One thing Caligula did have right: “Oderint dum metuant,” let them hate as long as they fear.
Suppose for example that the Musloid terrorists that murdered the Fogel family had been dumped in their villages with multiple bullet wounds, including a very conspicuous one in each one’s head. That would have educated the others not to imitate their actions.
Re: Kahane video. Had I been in President Bush’s position after 9/11, I’d have ordered a tactical nuke on a suitable target (no innocent bystanders within the weapon’s damage radius) and then posted photographs of the charred Al Qaida corpses and the shadows left by those who were close enough to be vaporized. I would have then said that terrorists are no longer to ask for passports so they can select the Americans for hostage-taking or execution. “You will cringe in the presence of any American. If an American strikes you, you will not return the blow. You will not strike much less kill any American if you value your life and the lives of everybody around you. If you are a woman married to a terrorist, take your children and leave his home now because that home is a target.”
Israel needs to do the same to traumatize and terrorize the Palestinian militants.
You are really demented.
Muslims may be feared even despised but they have the big bucks and are not hated.
Jews are not feared, are weak and have nothing anybody wants except for the Muslims and the Vatican, and they are hated.
Nothing you can do to change that immutable equation.
There is only one tried and true method nations have always used to avoid total financial collapse of their systems. They take you to war.
2012-2013 will see a global conflict even possibly a nuclear one. The collapse of the global financial institutions will precipitate it even if something else is the trigger.
When will we know we’ve run out of time on Iran?
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Israel has anticipated this. I see that nobody is talking about the 800-lb., um, I mean 100-kiloton elephant in the room.
If there is a second Holocaust, the world is going down with the Jews. Israel may not have enough bombs to wipe out every city, but a massive nuclear response will almost certainly escalate into a global nuclear war that wipes out civilization.
This is more realistic
I venture that quietly, through back channels, Israel has made clear to the Arabs and to Europe the fate that awaits them if there is a second Shoah. Unfortunately, the Europeans throughout history have been such raving maniacs on the subject of the Jews, that their hatred will overwhelm their sense of self-preservation.
Let me guess, Yamit. It means:
1. Jerusalem won’t be attacked. They’re talking about San Francisco
2. Jews won’t get raped and killed. They mean Chinese
3. Peace and safety. All is well. It will all pass. You needn’t fear the Gestapo.
4. All Jews will get raptured, and the Christians will get left behind.
Yam, I don’t give a hamster’s hangnail, what the rabbis have to say on the matter. They led 6 million Jews to the slaughter, and you still trust them? You’re more stupid than they were, because they didn’t know any better.
If I were living in Israel, I wouldn’t be making latkes and hamentaschen to celebrate the coming of NATO; I would make sure my gas mask is up to date. Israel will defeat the Turks, fair enough; but the struggle seven years later will not be a picnic. Jews will wail and lament, every one of them. That’s what it SAYS in Zechariah. If the Rabbis mean it says Turkish vendors will be selling rahad lakoum for tuppence apiece in Rabin Square, then believe whomever you want.
EricR
It isn’t Europe or the Arabs we need to warn. The USA would finish Israel before it had the chance to destroy the oil or the European financial markets it needs. No. Esav is alive and well. Both the Arabs and Europe know they have the USA to protect them.
Thanks for sharing, Teshuvah.
I hope the Jews here will note that it was Christians, not Jews, who were persecuting their fellow Christians. These are not “Antisemitic” dreams.
Zechariah 14 talks about nuclear war, affecting all the countries of the world. In the dreams you related, you saw the mushroom cloud and THEN the persecution happened. This makes sense, because a nuclear attack is not the END of things but just the beginning. There follows infrastructure damage, disorder and anarchy, a tremendous medical crisis foisted upon communities unable to handle it (horrific burns, blindness, then radiation sickness and death), the disappearance of an orderly economy, famine, pestillence, etc. Some of the prophecies compress these events; but believe me, they will seem to have been happening forever. The only safe haven will be internal, in a secure relationship with God and the assurance of an eternity with Him.
I love it. Would that Israel’s leaders today have the guts to be just as “senseless”. Is Jonathan Pollard being held hostage, to keep them from doing it again?
Alternative scenario: Obama foaming at the mouth at the news of an Israeli attack, tears off his suit an dons Hitler uniform and cap, calls the press corps, does a Sieg Heil salute and stirs up the country in a Jew-blaming rampage.
Whatever. Does it matter? Waiting for the Americans means death AND dhimmitude. Israel has it in their power: They are a country, not half-starved, deluded refugees being herded into boxcars. Time to be men.
wrong guess!!!! Nothing to do with your rabbis or even Judaism per-se. I said Google it, you lazy jerk.
Not interested, Yam. I worship God, not men.
Bill wrote:
I believe that the President, no matter what body he was in at the time (Nixon, Reagan, Bush1, Clinton, Bush2 or Obama) took down the towers. There is too much evidence that says so to ignore it. Just this alone: Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth will prove it. They did it to advance the Luciferian New World Order. It was a Reichstag event staged to condemn one group (Muslims) so Bush could attack Afghanistan and incidentally plunder the Social Security Fund to fund it. Link upon request.
Muslim persons said to have been aboard the planes that struck the towers were later identified partying and ALIVE, not crispy bones in the fallen towers. The Saudis helped the take down. There were Saudi princes in Florida at the time and while the whole of the U.S. had no-fly orders, those Saudis were allowed to fly out of the U.S. within the 24 hours after the towers fell. The rubble from the towers was taken out to sea and dumped where it could not be studied or tested for radioactivity. Firemen in NYC who worked on the site have a high incidence of cancer from radiation. Three towers fell when only two were hit. Something stinks.
BO wrote:
BO, you missed the point yet again. The dreams were to show the type of dreams Christians are receiving. The persecutors were not Christians at all. They are either military or jack-booted thugs run by the globalists or enemy soldiers. The persecuted in these instances were Christians. The next Holocaust will include Jews and Christians and like the last one will be sponsored by the RCC, the background Beast System that runs the NWO.
Evidence, please.
Teshuvah,
I did not miss your point. You complained that your previous postings of these dreams had been blocked. Perhaps the moderator felt thoses similar posts were antisemitic, so I tried to help. Forgive me for trying. I wash my hands.
BO wrote:
No, not antisemitic. Probably just too Christian. He doesn’t believe Jesus is the Messiah and I am guessing that he also believes Christians are therefore false and cannot receive dreams and visions from the Lord per Joel 2:28-32. That scripture is from the left side of the Bible and says G-d will give dreams and visions to “all flesh” not just Jewish flesh. I know a Jewish anthropologist in the U.S. who had a dream of a terrorist explosion in a mall in the Midwest. Besides Christians who have dream and visions, many unbelievers (even witches and New Agers) have had dreams and visions just like I described above and they post them and talk about them in forums. I had a dream of the various countries represented as buildings, some smaller, some older, etc. Then two hands came down from Heaven and shook the tallest, and biggest building and it fell to the ground. That dream was in 1998. It wasn’t fulfilled until Sept 11, 2001. The scripture even says some of the things they will see:
Many have had dreams and visions of various hurricanes including Katrina, others of earthquakes, and of 9/11 before the towers fell. Many others have seen the U.S. split from the Gulf of Mexico to the Great Lakes and a new inland sea formed as a result of U.S. leaders’ dividing Israel in two. It is best to heed warning notices. Most people don’t.
A glitch in that quote : it’s rather “Oderint ut temeant”, not ‘metuant’
Samson…
China actually has had experience with the Jews as Shanghai was one of the few places in the world that accepted Jewish refugees from Europe during the Holocaust.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/mar/24/jews-found-refuge-in-shanghai-ghetto/?page=all
Having visited there I can attest to that.
Mike
The Political Commentator
http://politicsandfinance.blogspot.com
America cannot prevent Israel if she decided to attack every oil field in the ME and Beyond. Israel has the potential to hit in retaliation every city on the American East Coast, including use of EMP’s.
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Study compiled by US Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), headed by a former Pentagon analyst, explores several hypothetical scenarios for unconventional warfare in our region. Authors find ‘Israel’s residents and economy could weather nuclear war with Iran’
If Israel nuked the prime oil fields just in the ME the additional pollution from the hundreds of thousands of oil and gas fires into the atmosphere would create a Nuclear Global Winter. It could block out the sun for more than a year/ The ME sand and dust would become radio active and be blown all over the globe infecting water supplies and crops.
In addition to the dust that the explosions would send up into the atmosphere, there would be many fire storms, resulting in even more massive
amounts of dust and smoke. Winds would blow the smoke around the globe, blocking the sun’s rays and lowering the temperatures. Growing
seasons would be shortened, and water sources would be polluted. All that, of course, would be in addition to the devastating effects of radioactive fallout. Another fatal consequence would be destruction of much of the ozone level in the lower stratosphere, due to a chemical reaction with the radioactive smoke. It has been calculated that about 50-70% of the ozone at the north and south poles and 10% of the ozone at the equators would be destroyed, affecting human and animal life.
The resulting nuclear holocaust would destroy the entire way of life in the northern hemisphere, and eventually all over the world.
Take a look at the vulgar comments. They seem to be threatened with the idea of Jews being armed. In their paranoia, they see that as amounting to hating gentiles. Apparently the neo-nazi scumbags think the second amendment only applies to the aryan race.
If we are going to consider the possibility of a second Holocaust, it might be a good time to review the first one.
It started with an antisemitic political party from the Catholic part of Germany led by a man who was an illegal immigrant from a neighboring Catholic country, Adolph Hitler. According to this political party, all the world’s problems were the fault of the Jews. Antisemitism was the intellectual foundations of this political party.
The second part of the Holocaust was a social machine that was first fleshed out by the Nuremburg Laws which put into law restrictions against Jews. This legal framework put into place increasing social isolation and ghettoization of Jews. Soon, they were squeezed into restricted neighborhoods that were walled in, not to protect them, but to keep them prisoner.
When Nazi Germany started World War II and invaded its neighbors, the laws against Jews were carried over to the “Reich” of occupied territories. But instead of isolating Jews, summary executions were carried out against communities that were taken prisoner.
The last part of the Holocaust was a confrontation with the messy business of murdering large groups of people in broad daylight. A more efficient way of murdering Jews had to be figured out. This was the business of the Wansee Conference, a secret meeting to set out on a secret enterprise to engineer a mechanism to apply to the existing social machinery to exterminate the Jews.
Concentration camps were already in place to house the political opposition, these were well known. Shifting the object of these installations to the systematic mass execution of large populations was not difficult since executions were regularly carried out impromptu in these places already.
It was only a question of deciding how to kill a large group of people all at the same time and applying the process on an industrial scale to target Jewish population centers. This was the job of the gas chambers. It remained to engineer the process by which the Jewish populations could be relocated from their communities to the death camps.
There were the Jews to convince and also the general public. They had to be convinced that the Jews were being relocated to places that were benign, healthy and safe. Model concentration camps were set up for public consumption and stories of these places circulated so that however difficult and brutal the force applied against Jewish communities to relocate them and also the persistent rumors of what lay ahead, there was always this fantasy lodged in the minds of everyone.
It worked. One third of the global Jewish population was systematically murdered by this process.
If we are to see a second Holocaust, we should look for clues among these characteristics of the first. And since the first one was so successful, we should consider that the first one is still an ongoing enterprise and that what looks like a second one looming is actually the first resurgent.
Yamit82, If the intent is suicide, then yes you’re right, as America would destroy Israel immediately afterwards, and the world would destroy it’s remaining Jews afterwards, IF and I stress If, we ever did have a Samson heading the IDF.
Israel cannot hit American cities, or even European ones. I know what i’m talking about, can’t say more here. Americans are said to have planted nukes underneath and rigged the oil wells, just in case this were to happen. There was a rumour that the Saudi’s rigged their oil precisely for this purpose, but they too could use it like Israel as an attempt to destroy the world, if their oil was taken by force.
All this is unlikely to ever happen. The Americans will never let such a Samson get into power in the first place. That is some consolation I suppose, depending upon how you look upon it, because even nuking Israel or any Arab country if the Americans would ever do it, would have serious repercussions for them. The blowout would be too big.
I think Israel would be environmentally conscious enough to use air bursts on the Musloids, because these do not produce anywhere near as much radioactive fallout as surface bursts. The area of destruction is also much larger. Surface bursts are necessary only for hardened targets like Iranian missile silos and Ahmadinejad’s Fuhrerbunker.
No, if Israel has to nuke Iran, it will not do any damage to CIVILIZATION.
How much more I would prefer to join silly rymes rather than real life regarding possible results of a WWIII scenario including Israel, the Arabs and others allied with them.
Of course Israel would be destroyed by the US if Israel would have no choice but to resort to the Sampson plan.
But then again one would be well advised to consider that in that event Russia and China, not precisely out of love for Israel or Jews, would not hesitate to terminate the by then limping USA.
I doubt very much that anyone would follow plans likely to end in that fashion.
Another Holocaust will not involve solely Jews, life in Ezrth as a whole would end.
Not in the sane pundits cards.
I was responding to this statement of yours.
If Israel were to attack ME oilfields it would be in the context of Samson and after the deed was done it would serve no purpose for America to attack Israel as even if we were attacked our subs would take out the American E coast at least and I also know what I am talking about.
The basic rule in Nuclear warfare is use them or lose them.
I think you credit Americas with too much capability. They lost in Korea, Lost in Vietnam, lost in Iraq and will lose in Afghanistan. Ten to 20 committed Jews with suitcase bombs could devastate America if placed and detonated strategically. Easy to blame the Muslims for the deeds.
We here in Israel should concern ourselves over un-Jews who side with our enemies and support administrations and presidents that are supporting our enemies who want to destroy us?
As for American Jews..Why would your Jew loving gentile neighbors go after the Jews? Isn’t America based on tolerance Justice and constitutional law? After all these years isn’t antisemitism in America a thing of the past? Wouldn’t American institutions protect it’s Jewish citizens, After-all most Jews are totally assimilated a near majority according to polls are not pro Israel, they donate a lot of money to politicians and political parties and campaigns. They support anti Israel American presidents and their political institutions. The same administrations that not only allows our enemies to the be armed conventionally are allowing them to Nuke up and even supplying nuclear aid and American nuclear technology.
You reap what you have sown. Do not expect either Israel or we Jews to sacrifice ourselves so you can continue the American Dream. It’s not our dream.
All Israeli Leaders are Samsons if we are attacked by an enemy using any type of CNN weapons and if our Intel supply’s conclusive evidence that such an attack is imminent.
Arison, get yourself a globe. The most direct way from any point in the US to Israel is practically due north. The West Coast is no less vulnerable than the East Coast; and that’s just from Jericho III ICBMs fired ballistically. Israel also has the option of delivery from orbit, which can strike anywhere, anytime.
Israel has made its willingness to use the “Samson Option” since 1967, when they had only 13 nuclear devices. It is not a “suicide” option on Israel’s part; because even if Israel is totally destroyed, half the Jews in the world live outside of Israel. For any nation that PROVOKES such an option, though, it is indeed suicidal.
9/11 ought to have instructed you, that the Islamic world is not concerned about suicide options: They want to destroy Israel and the Jewish people, at ALL costs.
Well put, Shmuel
I doubt that US military planners would allow themselves to be severely crippled by an Israeli nuclear attack, and allow the Russians and others to benefit from it. Whoever strikes first, whether it be Iranians, Koreans or Israelis, I expect a complete nuclear exchange by all the world’s powers; and EVERY major power will be targeted, including “pacifist” countries like Germany and Japan. Russia, China and America think they are being cute, allowing runaway nuclear proliferation. It’s like letting children play with bombs. They will reap what they sow.
Not true. Our servicemen obey orders — ANY orders.
Yamit82, I am not ‘siding’ with America, as you seem to be saying in your post. Your nuclear suitcases, and being blamed on Muslims are just a riduculous fantasy, you underestimate American security. I am giving you the reality of what we face. I have no love for Esav, who would not hesitate to destroy us. The Saudi’s have their oil rigged to explode with nuclear weapons. Like Israel they have a suicide plan in action. I said what I did, from what I know. I KNOW what i’m talking about I just cannot say so here. Think military. Think intelligence. Think both. Or Think nothing, as you wish,
As for the other posters, guys come on, is this the best we have? Crazy, demented, Bill Levinson go see a doctor for your hallucinations. Shmuel, the ‘limping’ US would not need China or Russia to finish it off, this is what you don’t get. The US HAS to protect anyone including Israel from attacking the oil fields or the EUropean financial capitals. It doesn’t need to go as far as China, or Russia to destroy the US otherwise. The US is aware of this.
Moving on…
All of your arguements sound ‘so sane’, but have you read the Book? I absolutely cringe at the things that are happening, and all the arguements in the world aren’t going to change that. All I can say is, “Even so, come quickly, Lord Jesus,” because only then, will it all be solved. At that time, all your arguements in the world won’t be worth a ‘hill of beans’.
I agree with Nina, speaking as a Christian Zionist of course. Rev 9:15 says one third of mankind will be slain and Zec 12:8 says In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them.
Zec 8:13 And it shall come to pass, that as ye were a curse among the heathen, O house of Judah, and house of Israel; so will I save you, and ye shall be a blessing: fear not, but let your hands be strong.
14 For thus saith the LORD of hosts; As I thought to punish you, when your fathers provoked me to wrath, saith the LORD of hosts, and I repented not:
15 So again have I thought in these days to do well unto Jerusalem and to the house of Judah: fear ye not.
Zec 8:23 Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you.
This is a song called He’ll Do it Again by Karen Wheaton, a Southern Gospel singer from Alabama. It meant a lot to me at a time when I was in despair and thought everything I loved died. It basically says that G-d has delivered you before and He’ll do it again. I was pondering the above verses and others having to do with destruction and the Day of the Lord and I was praying for Israel and I heard Him say the line from this song, “He’s done it before and He’ll do it again.” And I knew He was speaking of Israel. He promised and He is faithful. He knows the things you are going through. He’ll find some way to fix this for you. Here are the lyrics. I believe the song is anointed. Listen and see. I still cannot listen to it and not cry.
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The late,great Rabbi Meir Kahane, of blessed memory, warned Jews more than two decades ago in one of
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\his classic books “TIME TO GO HOME” to leave the United States and emigrate to Israel because of the increasing
anti-Semitism which once again seeks to scapegoat Jews for America’s economic and social problems.
See website: http://www.shuva.net
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The late,great RABBI MEIR KAHANE,of blessed memory warned Jews more than two decades ago
in one of his classic books “TIME TO GO HOME”…to leave for Israel because of the virulent
anti-Semitism which would once again seek to scapegoat Jews for the economic and social problems
America is experiencing.
HIS WARNING SHOULD NOT GO UNHEEDED!
(See website: http://www.shuva.net)