Why Muslims Must Hate Jews
Recently a Pakistani religious leader, Pirzada Muhammad Raza Saqib Mustafai, said: ‘When The Jews Are Wiped Out… The Sun Of Peace Would Begin To Rise On The Entire World’. The same preaching is routinely done not only by clerics but politicians, in Iran, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, etc. This is not just Ahmedinijad, it is at the heart of Islamic theology that world peace will be established only when all the Jews are wiped from the earth. But few people in Western media are alarmed by this kind of rhetoric or care to expose this dreadful dark side of Islam’s obsession with Jew hatred.
I do not believe one has to be an authority on human behavior or group thinking to find out the obvious pathology in Islamic Jew hatred. It is time for all of us to uncover and expose this atrocity against the Jewish people. We owe that to humanity and the truth.
No true Muslim can see that such hatred is unbecoming and unholy for a world religion to focus on and that the credibility of Islam is tarnished by such hatred. No Muslim is allowed to go far enough to self analyze or question why such hatred. Muslims defend Jew hatred by claiming that Jews betrayed Muhammad and thus deserving of this kind of treatment. Even when I was a Muslim, I believed that the one sided story against Jews by Islam, was enough to justify all the killing, terror, lies and propaganda by Islamic leaders against Jews. To the average Muslim, routinely cursing Jews in mosques feels normal and even holy!
After a lot of thinking, analysis, research and writing I discovered that Jew hatred in Islam is an essential foundation to the Islamic belief system that Muslims cannot seem to be able to rid themselves of. Jew hatred masks an existential problem in Islam. Islam is terrified of the Jews and the number one enemy of Islam is the truth that must be constantly covered at any cost. It does not matter how many Muslim men women and children die in the process of saving Islam’s reputation. The number one duty of Muslims is to protect the reputation of Islam and Mohammad. But why would a religion burden its followers like that? This is why:
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When Mohammed embarked on his mission to spread Islam, his objective was to create a uniquely Arabian religion, one created by an Arab prophet, which reflected the Arabian values and culture. Yet to obtain legitimacy, he had to link it to the two previous Abrahamic religions, Judaism and Christianity. He expected the Jewish tribes who lived in Arabia to declare him their Messiah and thereby bring him more legitimacy with Arabs, especially with his own tribe in Mecca, the Quraish. Because his own tribe had rejected and ridiculed him, Mohammed needed the approval of the Jews, whom he called the people of the book. But the conversion of Jews to Islam was part of the scenario that Mohammed had to accomplish in order to prove to Meccans that they had made a mistake by rejecting him.
That was one of the reasons Mohammed chose to migrate to Medina, a town that had predominantly been settled by Jewish tribes and a few impoverished Arabs who lived around the Jews. The Jews allowed Mohammed to move in. At the beginning, the Koran of Mecca was full of appeals to the Jews, who were then described as “guidance and light” (5:44) and a “righteous” people (6:153–154), who “excelled the nations” (45:16). But when the Jews rejected the appeasement and refused to convert to Islam, Mohammed simply and literally flipped. The Quran changed from love to threats and then pure hatred, cursing and commandments to kill Jews. Rejection by the Jews became an intolerable obsession with Mohammed.
Not only did the Jews reject him, but also their prosperity made Mohammed extremely envious. The Jewish Arabian tribes earned their living from legitimate and successful business, but Mohammed earned his living and wealth through warfare, by attacking Arab tribes, some of whom were from his own tribe, and trade caravans and seizing their wealth and property. That did not look good for a man who claimed to be a prophet of God. The mere existence of the Jews made Mohammed look bad which led Mohammed to unspeakable slaughter, beheading of 600 to 900 Jewish men of one tribe, and taking their women and children as slaves. Mohammed had the first pick of the prettiest woman as his sex slave. All of this senseless slaughter of the Jews was elaborately documented in Islamic books on the life of Mohammed, not as something to be ashamed of, but as justified behavior against evil people.
One does not have to be a psychiatrist to see the obvious, that Mohammad was a tormented man after the massacre he orchestrated and forced his fighters to undertake, to empower and enrich himself and his religion. To reduce his torment, he needed everyone around him as well as future generations, to participate in the genocide against the Jews, the only people whom he could not control. An enormous number of verses in the Koran encouraged Mohammed’s fighters to fight, kill and curse Muslim fighters who wanted to escape fighting and killing Jews. The Quran is full of promises of all kinds of pleasure in heaven to those who followed Mohammed’s killing spree and curses and condemnation to those who chose to escape from fighting. Muslims were encouraged to feel no hesitation or guilt for the genocide because it was not they who did it, but “Allah’s hand” was behind the killing.
Mohammed never got over his anger, humiliation, and rejection by “the people of the book” and went to his grave tormented and obsessed that some Jews are still alive. At his deathbed Mohammed entrusted Muslims to kill Jews wherever they found them, which made this a “holy commandment” that no Muslim can reject. Muslims who wrote Sharia, understood how Mohammed was extremely sensitive to criticism and that is why criticizing Mohammed became the highest crime in Islam that will never be forgiven even if the offender repents. Mohammed’s message on his deathbed was not for his followers to strive for holiness, peace, goodness, and to treat their neighbors as themselves, but a commandment for Muslims to continue the killing and the genocide against the Jews.
Killing thus became a holy act of obedience to Mohammed and Allah himself. Mohammed portrayed himself as a victim of Jews and Muslims must avenge him till judgment day. With all Arab power, money and influence around the world today they still thrive at portraying themselves as victims. Sharia also codified into law the duty of every Muslim to defend Mohammed’s honor and Islam with their blood and allowed the violation of many commandments if it is for the benefit of defending Islam and Mohammed. Thus Muslims are carrying a huge burden, a holy burden, to defend Mohammed with their blood and in doing so they are allowed to kill, lie, cheat, slander etc.
Mohammed must have felt deep and extreme shame after what he had done to the Jews and thus a very good reason had to be found to explain away his genocide. Thus by commanding Muslims to continue the genocide for him, even after his death, Mohammad expanded the shame to cover all Muslims and Islam itself. All Muslims were commanded to follow Mohammed’s example and chase the Jews wherever they went. One hundred years after Mohammed’s death, Arabs occupied Jerusalem, and built Al Aqsa mosque right on top of the Jewish Temple ruins, the holiest spot of the Jews. Muslims thought they erased all memory of Jewish existence.
Mohammed’s genocide of the Jews of Arabia became an unholy dark mark of shame in Islamic history, and that shame, envy, and anger continues to get the best of Muslims today. In the eyes of Mohammed and Muslims, the mere existence of the Jewish people, let alone an entire Jewish state, de-legitimizes Islam and makes Mohammed look more like a mass murderer than a prophet. For Muslims to make peace with Jews and acknowledge that Jews are humans who deserve the same rights as everyone else would have a devastating effect on how Muslims view their religion, their history and the actions of their prophet.
Islam has a major existential problem. By no will of their own, the Jews found themselves in the middle of this Islamic dilemma. Islam must justify the genocide that Mohammad waged against the Jews. Mohammad and Muslims had two choices: either the Jews are evil sub-humans, apes, pigs, and enemies of Allah, a common description of Jews still heard regularly in Middle Eastern mosques today, or Mohammad was a genocidal warlord and not fit to be a prophet of God, a choice that would mean the end of Islam.
Then and now, Mohammad and Muslims clearly chose the first worldview and decreed that any hint of the second must be severely punished. Jews must remain eternally evil enemies of Islam, if Islam is to remain legitimate. There is no third solution to save the core of Islam from collapsing; either Mohammed was evil, or the Jews were evil. Any attempt to forgive, humanize, or live peacefully with Jews is considered treason against Islam. How can Muslims forgive the Jews and then go back to their mosques, only to read their prophet’s words, telling them they must kill Jews wherever they find them? It does not add up, if someone wants to remain Muslim.
That is why, the number one enemy of Islam is, and must remain, the truth. If the truth exposes Islam’s unjustified Jew hatred, Muslims will be left with an empty shell of a religion, a religion whose prophet was a murderer, a thief and a warlord; without Jew hatred Islam would self-destruct.
Nonie Darwish is the author of The Devil We Don’t Know.
Muslims hate Jews and Christians about equally, and most Jews on Israpundit hate Christians. On the whole, none of the above are especially nice people, so I don’t blame any of them for hating the others. Get over it — Jews will never get people to love them, especially if they behave like Yamit and Shy Guy. Meanwhile, the Iranians are enriching uranium to 60%. Nuclear weapons don’t hate anyone.
What nonsense.
BlandOatmeal Said:
Not by a long shot.
That is an interesting analysis. But I think it is a poor characterization to describe the presence of Muhammad in Medina as starting as a benevolent attempt to convert the Jews there. More likely he offered the usual ‘convert or die’ that has always been the Muslim way. I don’t think there is any evidence that Islam has ever taken a benevolent attitude towards any nonbelievers and certainly not Jews. If Jewish rejection of Muhammad precipitated Islamic Jew hatred, then where are the peaceful entreaties to the rest of the nonbelievers who are also the target of Islamic hatred?
@ BlandOatmeal:
Allow me to add my short comment: What Rubbish!!!
BlandOatmeal Said:
Boo hoo, you hurt my wittu feewings.
@ BlandOatmeal: What an absurd statement . Do you have any proof? Individual Jews are rightfully angry at the perpetrators of centuries of terrible treatment of Jews in general .But the perpetrators are all or almost all dead. The major persecutors today are Muslim and you can’t even prove Jews hate Muslims in general. If you have any proof about your statement about Jews and Christians you should post it. Your statement is something seen on extremist Jew hating websites sites and forums like Stormfront. These sites sometimes have a few useful idiot Jews.
@ Shy Guy:
Now, why do you seek friends? Is the King not among you? Has your Counselor perished, that pangs have seized you like a woman in confinement? Michah 4:9
Dear world
Joe Hamilton Said:
Bloatmeal here is the biggest hypocrite. You’ll have to browse his antisemitic comments for years back here on Israpundit to pick up his
scentstench.Hatred is wasted energy!
As far as I know, Jews – as a rule – don’t do hatred. They’re too busy living, learning and building.
@ Joe Hamilton:
Where have you been, Joe. Maybe you haven’t noticed the comments on Israpundit, much less Jewish journalists. I honestly believe the Jews of this world would rather be ruled by Muslims than by Christians any day. If you still don’t know what I’m talking about, read any comments by Yamit and Shy Guy.
@blandOatmeal
I do not hate Christians. Indeed, I cannot remember thinking anything at all about Christians in the last twenty or thirty years. Since Christians come in all forms, I just cannot muster a generalization worthy of retention. I do remember not liking James Baker, that peanut farmer, Slick Willy and his wife. Perhaps I do not like Barack Obama as well. Are they Christians?
@ Jerry:
Jerry,
Ted does not want either me nor any other non-Jew discussing religious doctrine on Israpundit; he has told us this plainly, over and over. The fact that he continues to bring up the matter, is simply some devilish instinct of his. He is not interested in the Scriptures, either TaNaKh, nor the New Testament, and has told me so. Others on this site, particularly Yamit and Shy Guy but also others, have repeatedly criticized Christians in the most hateful language and repeatedly blasphemed the God of their Messiah, Jesus the Jew. Concerning Christian people, the attack goes beyond religion; Ted Belman even said that the Polish people hated Jews not because of their religion, but because of their racial makeup; and Yamit has chimed in with numerous attacks against the Poles and other Christian peoples. If you have personally missed out on this “fun”, then don’t use yourself as the standard of Israpundit. Israpundit is simply the Jewish “Stormfront”, filled with hate speech and libel. I have repeatedly been called an idolator, for instance, yet I do not even accept the Catholic doctrine of the Trinity. Others here have insult upon insult hurled at them as well, simply because they do not have Jewish mothers.
So much for the “Right Wing” Jews. I don’t even want to go into what “Left Wing” Jews have to say about Christians; but believe me, it is equally bad. Face it, Jerry — Jews have hated and attacked Christians for 2000 years. If you want to go back in history about this, fine. When Spain was overrun by the Arabs, the Jews there sided with the Arabs and the place was quickly overrun. When the Christians counter-attacked, the Jews fiercely resisted them. I am sure there are many other instances. When the Crusaders fought against the Egyptian defenders of Jerusalem, the Jews were with the Muslims, fighting fanatically. You may personally have escaped this hatred; but others here repeatedly bring up the matter and cast it into the teeth of goy readers.
I have personally had enough of this. My family suffered just as much as the Jews during WWII. One cousin was killed at Auschwitz, and the other nearly starved to death escaping from Siberia. If the Jews here have the right to hate and repeatedly insult Christians because of the suffering of their cousins during the war, shouldn’t I have the same right to toss the same puke back at them? There is no excuse for this. Yes, Jerry, the Jewish people HATE Christians with a capital “H”, and always have. If you haven’t given the matter much thought, count yourself fortunate. I personally thought next to nothing about Jews until posting here; but now I know better.
I expect this to be censored, and will be pleasantly relieved if it is not.
@ BlandOatmeal:
Bland instead of whining, why don’t you come clean and retell to those who might have missed some of your initial comments on this blog where you claimed to have tried to cheat your way into the Jewish tribe by claiming a Jewish grandparent and after a year, even the reform congregations threw you out on your butt. You never understood besides the Matrilineal requirements of both Orthodox and Conservative denominations even the Reform movement in Judaism requires either a direct Jewish father or mother and refuse to recognize wannabee Jews who are Jesus believers and accept the NT as Holy Writ.
You claim distant relatives (25th cousins?) suffered from the 2nd world war but if they did, they did not suffer because they were Jews which they weren’t. You claim ancestors among Slavs, Brits and Germans besides Jews. So that would mean your ancestors were also probably persecutors if not outright murders of Jews as well.
Revisionist historical account: Fact of the matter is that Jews have always sided with those who they believed were most tolerant towards them but it was never the Christians. That they lost does not mean they were wrong.
A few years after Islam overran North Africa and the Middle East, in the later seventh century, the Berber Jewish Warriors of North Africa learned of the oppression of the Jews in the Visigoth Christian kingdoms of Spain. In an attempt to rescue them, a Berber Jewish army invaded Spain in aproximately 694 CE. The invasion was unsuccessful. Instead, a Moorish, Muslim army defeated the Visigoths in Spain a few years later (711 – 715 CE). Under Moorish rule, the Jews of Spain were liberated and returned to their rightful position in Spanish society.
Fact of the matter is that until 70-80 years ago Jews were treated better in Muslim countries than they generally were in Christian Countries of Europe. There is not a single country in Europe that at best did not at sometime expel the Jews. Jews fared better in Pagan Europe then they did after Christianity became dominant. Like in Poland and Germany. You forget that more Jews were killed in the Name of jesus than from Hitler.
There is no such thing as Jewish History. Jews do not have a history they have a national memory.
If you care about Israel it is because of your belief in christian eschatology. You need us to fulfill our role in your end times drama; But you are the biggest Jew/Judaism hater currently blogging on Israpundit.
@ AJ – Raalte:
Jews like everyone else “do hatred”!
@ BlandOatmeal:
I guess it would never occur to one like you that some Jews don’t want to be ruled by anyone.
Comparing Christians with Muslims. is like the difference between contacting AIDS (long term morbidity) VS Military strains of Anthrax (quick death).
In the end we are all dead.
Let us not forget that whatever you want to say about the Jews, the Jews have never, ever sought to impose Jewish rule over anyone who was not Jewish. Whatever the history of Jewish collaboration with religious authority has been we can always say that Jews have never existed as a protected class among either Muslims or Christians and has always existed as the opposite, a second class population, and usually worse, a population subject to the cruelest and most unjust persecution licensed by those same authorities. And the Jews have never existed among these populations by choice, but as part of a forced exodus due to the unjust destruction of their homeland by a cruel and degenerate empire. This is all elementary history and not subject to debate.
This Jew on Israpundit says give me 1 Michelle Bachmann or Allen West for a million Thom Freidmans. So much for hatred.
blandoatmeal I don’t know who you are but you are total idiot.
The Jewish people are GODs original chosen people and always will be. GOD is the one who gave them the land of Israel. It’s only because of the Jewish people’s rebellion, spelled out in the Old Testament of the Bible that the Jewish people have the troubles with their enemy pagan worshipping neighbors today. The Muslims that want to do away with the Jewish people are deceived and under the influence of Satan and don’t know it. Satan is the one that goes against GOD any chance he gets. He uses GODs children that are weak and ignorant of the truth and ignorant of his temptations. Satan who wants to be worshipped and be higher than GOD, tried to take over heaven and get all the angels of heaven to worship and him go along with his plan. He failed and was thrown out with 1/3 of the rebellious angels by Michael the Arc Angel and the good 2/3 angels of heaven. Satan and his demons and fallen angels tempt mankind into sin. He has done this since he tempted Adam and Eve to commit their first sin in the Garden of Eden by eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Better you be aware of Satan and know where your thoughts are coming from. Don’t allow Satan a place to stay and dwell. You can kick him out with the power of Jesus Christ. Been there, done that many times. Satan was defeated by Jesus Christ by HIS work at the cross.
@ Not Ovenready:
This is so idiotic it’s not worth a comment!
@ Paul:
When Jews were sovereign in heir own country we were expansionist. It’s kind of hard to impose your rule when you don’t rule.
Jews were generally a protected class in both Muslim and Christian societies except those times when the protection was lifted. You can even say that Jews in their ghettos enjoyed more religious freedom than do American and Western Jews today.
The Jewish condition ebbed and flowed, how good or bad depended on the rulers and the times.
Since roughly around the 7th century most Jews remained in the exile by choice mostly due to Rabbinical prohibitions of conquering the land of Israel by force and some verses in the Tanach telling the Jews to stay put in Babylon till G-d sends for them. The Jewish losses fighting against Rome were of Holocaust proportions so severe that the reaction of the rabbis took upon themselves to save Judaism by emphasizing Personal laws of religious purity over almost all national Religious Laws of Purity.
Truth is that the rabbis turned Judaism into a submissive even pacifistic religion with little or no national conceptions and obligations, so instead of promoting a return of the Jews they embraced the exile and paid the price for their stupidity and lack of belief in their own Tanach and G-d. To be fair to those rabbis, Most tried their best to preserve some form of Judaism in the exile, without the Land, Temple and sovereign authority of the Sanhedrin. I would say they succeeded in that aim.
@ Vincent Sr:
“‘You belong to your Father, the Devil, and you want to carry out your Father’s desire; He was a Murderer from the Beginning, not holding to the Truth; for, there is no Truth in Him; when He lies, He speaks his native language; for, He is a Liar and the Father of Lies…”
Hebrew Scripture warns us that the nations’ Scriptures,(NT) even if otherwise attractive and compelling, are nevertheless False, we are certainly required to treat the deities described in their Scriptures as False, and we are most certainly prohibited from intellectually merging or identifying their deities with the G-d of Israel.
Hebrew Scripture not only warns the Jewish people against merging or identifying the false gods of others with the G-d of Israel, but it also sends the very same warning to the Gentile nations; for, the Prophet Isaiah says to them:
“For thus said HaShem, Creator of the Heavens; He is the God, the One Who fashioned the Earth and its Maker; He established it; He did not create it for emptiness; He fashioned it to be inhabited [and then declared]: ‘I am HaShem and there is no other. I did not speak in secrecy, some place in a land of darkness; I did not tell the descendants of Jacob to seek Me for nothing; I am HaShem Who speaks Righteousness, Who declares Upright Things. Gather yourselves, come and approach together, O survivors of the nations, who do not know, who carry about the wood of their graven image, and pray to a god who cannot save. Proclaim and approach; even [let your leaders] take counsel together: Who let this be heard from aforetimes, or related it from [times] of Old? Is it not I, HaShem? There is no other god besides Me; there is no righteous god besides Me, and no savior other than Me. Turn to Me and be saved, all ends of the Earth; for, I am God and there is no other. I swear by Myself, Righteousness has gone forth from My Mouth, a Word that will not be rescinded: that to Me shall every knee bend and every tongue swear.’” (Isaiah 45:18-23).
The most profound and definitive declaration to be found anywhere in the Hebrew Bible concerning a human being’s relationship to Sin, Redemption and Free Will, the G-d of Israel explains to Adam’s son Cain (after He has rejected Cain’s agricultural offering as being insincere) that every human being, even after abysmal failure, has been gifted by Him with the ability to triumph anew over Temptation by choosing Good over Evil.
As the Hebrew Bible relates:
“And HaShem said to Cain, ‘Why are you annoyed, and why has your countenance fallen? Surely, if you improve yourself, you will be forgiven. But if you do not improve yourself, Sin rests at the Door. Its desire is towards you; yet you can conquer it.’” (Genesis 4:6-7).
Consequently, Judaism rejects the concept of the “Curse of Original Sin”.
@ yamit82:
Good one, Yam. I’m all for good, honest hatred over moralistic crap any day. Even when the Jews weren’t in power, they committed genocide against the goiim, in AD 117.
@ yamit82:
Yamit
THANK YOU- YYASHER KOACH!
For finally telling “The Truth” in clear daylight.
May our Christian and Muslim brothers (of the Brotherhood of Mankind)be enlightened.
We do NOT fester hatred or malice to them or any other human being for they are all of the offspring of Adam who G-D created in His Image. Just our forefathers ACCEPTED THE BURDEN OF BEING “A LIGHT UNTO ALL THE OTHER NATIONS” VIA THE LIVING TORAH OF THE LIVING G-D, THEY (THE NATIONS) REJECTED THAT BURDEN.
So if they have enmity toward us, that’s no fault of ours. And if we have suffered all these long years of our sojourn at the heals of a great many them (not all, of course)indeed, perhaps many of US (not all, of course)have developed a little “rough skin”- THAT’S NOT CALLED “HATRED,” IT’S CALLED- “SELF PRESERVATION.”
BLAND- ALWAYS REMEMBER, “As the face of one to another- so is the heart of men” YOU GET BACK IN RETURN WHAT YOU RADIATE. WHEN CHRISTIANS (AND MUSLIMS) WILL FINALLY STOP PREACHING AND FORCING THEIR (SORRY FOR THIS ONE-) FALSE GOSPELS AND DOCTRINES ON US, THEN AND ONLY THEN CAN YOU EXPECT US TO START THE SLOW PROCESS OF HEALING ALL THOSE OLD WOUNDS AND YOU REGAINING AND EARNING OUR “FULL” TRUST AND LOVE. WE ARE REALLY A LOVING PEOPLE, JUST HISTORY HAS TAUGHT US THE HARD WAY, TO BE SELECTIVE OF WHOM WE MAY OR MAY NOT LOVE.
yamit82 Said:
I question your motives in the distinctions you are making. Being “expansionist” is not anything like trying to subject all of humanity to your beliefs. Naturally Jewish belief, like any system of beliefs, claims universality. But Jewish belief is for Jews only and Jews have never been interested in subjugating and converting others by force. Jews are not interested in making everyone Jewish.
It doesn’t matter what any Jew ever said about returning to Israel, obviously my point was they the Jews never left Israel by choice. Any idiot could see that was the point I was trying to make.
That’s just obscene. It’s crazy. I’ve heard the tone of these kind of absurdities before, like the suggestion that Nazism was a left wing conspiracy. Only a knish could bloviate canards like that. At least you are being brief.
@ BlandOatmeal:
Kitos War (The war against Trajan)
This was also known as the Jewish diaspora war. That’s when diaspora Jewish men were Men and not effete wusses.
@ BlandOatmeal:
@ Paul:
If you don’t know your subject best to remain silent rather than show to the world your stupidity. Bloviating my arse!! Is this brief enough for you?
@ BlandOatmeal:
The Jews paid a very heavy price in their 3 major wars against Rome but most historians agree that the Jewish wars bankrupted the Empire. The Empire ceased to expand and began to contract. Parthia and others saw the Romans as not invincible and began to chip away at the empire.
It was the Jews who broke the back of the Russian Empire twice once when Jacob Schiff financed the the Japanese war against Russia and beat the Russkies and then when the Jews united to break the hold of the Russians on Russian Jewry. When the Russians caved it was the beginning of their end.
Israel is what it has become today because of those released Russian Jews.
@ Paul:
Duh!
I assure you, Paul — Christian belief is also for Christians only. What a dumb statement!
@ BlandOatmeal:
PS — I said the statement is dumb, not you. I imagine what you meant to say, was that Jewish rabbis tend to make it difficult for “outsiders” to convert to Judaism, whereas Christians openly share their faith and welcome converts. That’s a valid statement.
BlandOatmeal Said:
You’re not listening. Listen carefully. The promotion of Christian belief is a part of Christian belief. The New Testament is very emphatic about converting non-believers. So also is the Koran. Anyone who assumes a vocational calling to Christianity or Islam takes on the conversion of nonbelievers as a part of their beliefs. But nowhere in Judaism are Jews expected to minister to non-believers to bring them to Jewish belief. In fact, those who are most observing of Jewish belief are the most skeptical of the notion of converting to Judaism. There is also nothing in Judaism that prohibits non-Jews from believing what Jews believe, but neither is there any encouragement. Rabbis minister to Jews, they really have nothing to say to non-Jews. There is no Jewish empire, nor Jewish colonies where the subjects are obliged to accept Jewish belief. But both Christianity and Islam are engines of imperialism and so among Christians you have missionaries and among Muslims you have Sharia. Most Muslim and Christian believers are either descended from forced converts or are themselves forced converts.
The distinction is vast and the envy and fear of the personal relationship between God and the Jews is what drives the propaganda and lies of hatred against the Jews. Jews are anti-imperialist by instinct and history and their simple existence is the seeds of destruction of all empires.
@ BlandOatmeal:
That’s not what he said or meant. It’s what you said and we know why you said it don’t we?
There is no reason for any non Jew to convert to Judaism because we don’t believe and require being a Jew as necessary to enter the next world. We believe any righteous human-being has earned the keys to the Kingdom. Becoming a Jew is accepting the obligations of a Jew which is much more difficult and unnecessary for gentiles. To accept gentiles who are not committed Jews and will revert to prior practices; is in Judaism sinful behavior and rabbis don’t want to be part of causing Jews to sin. What is sinful for Jews is not necessarily sinful for gentiles who are required to obey the laws of Noach but not all the laws and obligations Jews take upon themselves.
n@ BlandOatmeal:
Norway recommends ‘symbolic’ circumcision
Ombudsman for children’s rights proposes that Jews and Muslims replace male circumcision with a symbolic, nonsurgical ritual.
Stupid pagan Gentiles.
This whole article is ultimately false. All one has to do is read the Qur’an to see…
The Jews say: “The Christians are not right,” and the Christians say: “The Jews are in the wrong;” yet both read the Scriptures; and this is what the unread had said too. God alone will judge between them in their differences on the Day of Reckoning. [Qur'an 2:114]
Say: “Why do you dispute with us about God when He is equally your Lord and our Lord? To us belong our actions, to you yours; and we are true to Him.” [Qur'an 2:143]
“Had your Lord wanted, all the people on earth would have believed. So will you force people to believe?” [Qur'an, 10:99]
Say: O ye that reject Faith! I worship not that which ye worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. To you be your Way, and to me mine. [Qur'an 109:1-6]
“Tell those who believe, to forgive those who do not look forward to the days of Allah: It is for Him to recompense (for good or ill) each people according to what they have earned.” [Qur'an 45:14]
“Let there be no compulsion (forcing others) in religion: Truth stands out clear from error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy handhold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.” [Qur'an 2:256)
"Whether We shall show thee (within thy life-time) part of what we promised them or take to ourselves thy soul (before it is all accomplished),- thy duty is to make (the Message) reach them: it is our part to call them to account." [Qur'an 13:40]
“Those who believe (in the Qur’an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.” [Qur'an 2:62]
“On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person – unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land – it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land. [Qur'an 5:32]
“God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers.” [Qur'an 60:8]
“Again and again will those who disbelieve, wish that they had bowed (to God’s will) in Islam. Leave them alone, to enjoy (the good things of this life) and to please themselves: let (false) hope amuse them: soon will knowledge (undeceive them).” [Qur'an 15:2-3]
“Therefore remind, you are only a Reminder. You are not charged to oversee them. As for those who turn their back and disbelieve, Allah will punish them with the greatest punishment. Indeed, to Us they shall return, then upon Us shall rest their reckoning.” [Qur'an 88:21-26]
“Say: ‘Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger: but if ye turn away, he is only responsible for the duty placed on him and ye for that placed on you. If ye obey him, ye shall be on right guidance. The Messenger’s duty is only to preach the clear (Message).” [Qur'an 24:54]
“Say : O ye that reject Faith! I worship not that which ye worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. To you be your Way, and to me mine.” [Qur'an 109:1-6]
“And make not God’s (name) an excuse in your oaths against doing good, or acting rightly, or making peace between persons; for God is One Who heareth and knoweth all things.” [Qur'an 2:224]
Allah doth command you to render back your Trusts to those to whom they are due; And when ye judge between man and man, that ye judge with justice; Verily how excellent is the teaching which He giveth you! For Allah is He Who heareth and seeth all things. [Qur'an 4:58]
“So leave them to plunge in vain talk and play about, until they encounter that Day of theirs which they have been promised!” [Qur'an 70:42]
“And they say: “None shall enter Paradise unless he be a Jew or a Christian.” Those are their (vain) desires. Say: “Produce your proof if ye are truthful.” Nay,-whoever submits His whole self to God and is a doer of good,- He will get his reward with his Lord; on such shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.” [Qur'an 2:111-112]
“Quite a number of the People of the Book wish they could Turn you (people) back to infidelity after ye have believed, from selfish envy, after the Truth hath become Manifest unto them: But forgive and overlook, Till God accomplish His purpose: for God Hath power over all things.” [Qur'an 2:109]
O you Messenger! Let not those grieve you who vie with each other in disbelief, be they of those who say with their mouths “We believe,” but their heart are faithless; or of those among Jews, listeners to a lie, who listen to other people, but not to you. They pervert the words from their context and say, “If this is what you are given, take it; but if you are not given it, then beware!”. But he whom Allah wishes to try, you have no authority with Allah for him. These are those whose heart Allah wishes not to purify. For them in this world is disgrace, and for them in the Hereafter is mighty woe. [Qur'an 5:40]
It is not required of thee (O Messenger), to set them on the right path, but Allah sets on the right path whom He pleaseth. Whatever of good ye give benefits your own souls, and ye shall only do so seeking the “Face” of Allah. Whatever good ye give, shall be rendered back to you, and ye shall not Be dealt with unjustly. [Qur'an 2:272]
Ye are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors. [Qur'an 3:110]
Not all of them are alike: Of the People of the Book are a portion that stand (For the right): They rehearse the Signs of Allah all night long, and they prostrate themselves in adoration. They believe in Allah and the Last Day; they enjoin what is right, and forbid what is wrong; and they hasten (in emulation) in (all) good works: They are in the ranks of the righteous. Of the good that they do, nothing will be rejected of them; for Allah knoweth well those that do right. [Qur'an 3:113-115]
But those among them [Jews and Christians] who are well-grounded in knowledge, and the believers, believe in what hath been revealed to thee and what was revealed before thee: And (especially) those who establish regular prayer and practise regular charity and believe in God and in the Last Day: To them shall We soon give a great reward. [Qur'an 4:162]
Behold! God said: “O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute. As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help. As to those who believe and work righteousness, God will pay them (in full) their reward; but God loveth not those who do wrong. [Qur'an 3:55-57]
Of all these apostles We have favoured some over the others. God has addressed some of them, and the stations of some have been exalted over the others. And to Jesus, son of Mary, We gave tokens, and reinforced him with divine grace. If God had so willed those who came after them would never have contended when clear signs had come to them. But dissensions arose, some believed, some denied. And if God had willed they would never have fought among themselves. But God does whatsoever He please. [Qur'an 2:253]
The foolish will now ask and say: “What has made the faithful turn away from the Qiblah towards which they used to pray?” Say: “To God belong the East and the West. He guides who so wills to the path that is straight.” [Qur'an 2:143]
Creator of the heavens and the earth from nothingness, He has only to say when He wills a thing: “Be”, and it is. [Qur'an 2:118]
Rasul Allah (sal Allahu Alaihi wa sallam) said: “Let there be no harming, nor reciprocating harm.” [Sahih Hadith - Ibn Majah]
Rasul Allah (sal Allahu Alaihi wa sallam) said:“Whoever kills an innocent non-Muslim will not even smell the fragrance of Paradise.” [Bukhari]
@ Deen Muhammad:
Gosh Deen. I guess more Muslims should read the Koran.
As for the rest of us, all we can do is watch what Muslims actually do, not say.
Deen Muhammad Said:
I actually agree with that, Fahkir:
You and your false “prophet” – piss be upon you.
Have a nice day!
TED, FREE UP MY COMMENT, DAGNABBIT!!!
BlandOatmeal Said:
I said “from a religious point of view”. I went on to say that I was interested in Jewish scriptures and the Talmud because they have formed our culture and our historical narrative.
BlandOatmeal Said:
Once again, you distort, just as Christians of old distorted our scriptures. Shy Guy and Yamit criticize Christianity as the father of antisemitism and criticize Christians who proselytize. They do not criticize Christians who leave them alone. They criticize your messiah as a “dead man on a stick” only when Christians come hear and try to make him into a God. They are simply reducing him to a man and undermining your whole crucifixtion thing. Everyone can believe what they want but can’t act on it to the detriment of others. Do they not have the right to think of Christianity as a pagan belief system?
My position is that I couldn’t care less what Christians believe. My only concern is what Christians and Muslims for that matter, do. If their religion leads them to do good then I will respect them and their religion. We should all be judged by our actions with respect to the other.
BlandOatmeal Said:
This is a total lie. I don’t hate anyone one because of their race, including the Poles. I have said in the past that antisemitism was very much a part of their culture. PM Shamir drove this point home by saying they imbibed it at their mother’s breast. He was not referring to their nature but their nurture.
You have had your say, your last say.