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  • January 30, 2013

    [Democratic Left] Never Let a Dead Child Go to Waste

    by Bill Levinson
    Originally in the American Thinker

    Michael Bloomberg, Andrew Cuomo, and their cohorts followed Rahm Emanuel’s advice to “never let a good crisis go to waste” when they used the Sandy Hook shooting to renew their assault on the Bill of Rights. Former Pennsylvania Governor Ed Rendell added, in effect, that one should never let a dead child go to waste if one can exploit him or her for political gain.

    “…the good thing about Newtown is, it was so horrific that I think it galvanized Americans to a point where the intensity on our side is going to match the intensity on their side.”

    This is difficult, if not impossible, to explain away. Suppose instead that an armed teacher or staff member had stopped Adam Lanza after two murders the way Pearl High Assistant Principal Joel Myrick stopped would-be mass murderer Luke Woodham. A case study for The American Rifleman’s Armed Citizen feature is not what Dianne Feinstein, Ed Rendell, and their cohorts need in order to eliminate the Second Amendment a piece at a time. They need a mass murder that is “so horrific” that it will manipulate the public, and legislatures like New York’s, into acting before they have time to think. Their modus operandi is to exploit grief, shock, and outrage for political gain the way itinerant rainmakers once exploited the plight of drought-plagued farmers, and quacks and charlatans peddle miracle cures to desperate cancer patients.*

    Ed Rendell is not the only anti-Second Amendment leader who has done this. As stated by Joshua Horowitz, Executive Director of the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence,

    A historic opportunity now lies before us to curb the gun violence destroying our families and communities. For the sake of future generations, let us hope our elected officials seize it.

    Horowitz at least had the decency to add, “Nothing can right the terrible tragedy that occurred in Newtown, Conn. on Friday,” but this does not change the fact that he also sees this crime as an opportunity to manipulate people’s emotions.

    To this, Philadelphia Police Commissioner Charles Ramsey added, “If the slaughter of 20 babies does not capture and hold your attention, then I give up because I don’t know what else will.” He added that so-called “assault weapons” are not suitable for hunting, which is a deliberately dishonest statement about the Second Amendment. The same goes for Andrew Cuomo’s statement that you don’t need ten bullets to kill a deer. He is right; a good hunter won’t take the shot if he can’t kill the deer with one bullet. The Second Amendment does not, however, guarantee the right to hunt deer or indeed anything else. There is, in fact, no Constitutional impediment whatsoever to a ban on all hunting and fishing. What the Bill of Rights guarantees is the right to defend oneself against violent human beings.

    Joseph Goebbels said of this kind of propaganda that “Arguments must therefore be crude, clear and forcible, and appeal to emotions and instincts, not the intellect.” Goebbels’ and Hitler’s success with this approach proved that it can be decisively effective, but there is a strong caveat. When the natives figure out that the Great White God is not a god, and that his beads and trinkets are not magic, he usually comes to a bad end. The instant people wake up to the fact that you are lying to them and manipulating them, they will turn on you with no less enthusiasm than that with which they once followed you. When the enemy cites openly the mass murder of children and teachers as an opportunity to pursue an agenda, this will happen very quickly.

    The destruction of the Million Mom March in 2000 exemplifies this principle. The group solicited donations, volunteer time, and corporate contributions under the premise that it was working for “gun safety,” and particularly to protect children from “gun violence.” When it became apparent that the group was using the money to promote House candidates on its Web site, while it threatened pro-Second Amendment candidates with defeat, its supporters distanced themselves from it very quickly. As an example,

    (CNSNews.com) – The Evangelical Lutheran Church in America is distancing itself from the so-called ‘Million Mom March’ because of the gun control group’s stated intention of supporting political candidates.

    …Church officials also said they were not aware that MMM organizers planned to become politically active regarding candidates for office, and would have preferred knowing the organization’s plans before the event.

    The enemies of the Bill of Rights have again chosen to use children as human shields, but our side must do more than merely call them out for this despicable propaganda tactic. We must also show why the other side cannot appeal to logic and reason.

    Why They Must Appeal to Emotion; The Facts are Against Them

    Honest human beings are almost universally receptive to facts. The statement that two and two make four is nonpartisan as well as inarguable, and Rudyard Kipling pointed this out in “The Gods of the Copybook Headings.” Thomas Sowell explained very clearly,

    If, as gun control advocates claim, gun control laws really do control guns and save lives, there is nothing to prevent repealing the Second Amendment, any more than there was anything to prevent repealing the Eighteenth Amendment that created Prohibition.

    But, if the hard facts show that gun control laws do not actually control guns, but instead lead to more armed robberies and higher murder rates after law-abiding citizens are disarmed, then gun control laws would be a bad idea, even if there were no Second Amendment and no National Rifle Association.

    The hard facts are that gun control in Australia and the United Kingdom has done nothing to reduce violent crime, and has probably increased it. The hard facts are that the cities with the toughest gun control laws — Chicago, Washington DC, and New York — are far more dangerous than cities and states in which people can carry guns openly. The American people are not interested in snake oil and quackery, which is why Feinstein & Co. must deal in emotional propaganda as well as outright falsehoods.

    Turn the Monster on its Creators

    Manipulative propaganda backfires horribly the instant people recognize the manipulation in question. The anti-Second Amendment Million Mom March went down hard for this very reason. The current enemies of the Bill of Rights will suffer a similarly devastating backlash the instant people recognize what is being done to them, and “Never let a dead child go to waste” is an easy way to facilitate this recognition.

    * “Rainmaker” by the rock group Kansas is an outstanding flash (210 word) horror story in which the protagonist gets far more than he bargained for.

    William A. Levinson, P.E. is the author of several books on business management including content on organizational psychology, as well as manufacturing productivity and quality.

  • Posted by Bill Levinson @ 7:48 am | 27 Comments »

    27 Comments to [Democratic Left] Never Let a Dead Child Go to Waste

    1. It is distressing how many “Jewish” Democrats (Jerrold Nadler, Dianne Feinstein, Charles Schumer, Frank Lautenberg, Carl Levin, and so on) support the same kind of laws the Nazis enacted in 1938 to disarm “undesirables” like Jews and Gypsies.

    2. dweller says:

      The spate of articles that have hit the cybersphere regarding the claim that Sandy Hook may have been a ‘hoax’ is most instructive.

      While the notion that that outrage was a put-up job is hard to swallow, there’s a reason WHY it’s made as much headway as it has:

      Increasing numbers of the people have come to realize — in the wake of Fast-&-Furious — that this Administration is entirely capable of such productions. . . .

    3. yamit82 says:

      dweller Said:

      Increasing numbers of the people have come to realize — in the wake of Fast-&-Furious — that this Administration is entirely capable of such productions. . . .

      My challenge to you:

      Go out in the street and stop any 100 people at random, ask them if they ever heard of ‘Fast-&-Furious’ and if yes what they understand it to mean. Then when you have the results take your stupid theories and shove em where the sun don’t shine.

    4. yamit82 says:

      @ Bill Levinson:

      There does seem to be some parallels between Jews in Europe in 1938 and the Jews in America today. It has little to do with guns. Jews were not into guns then and are not so today. Guns for them then and now are symbols of violence and Jews are not into violence. Jews rely on the institutions of the countries they live in to protect them. They like to write articles and letters to everyone and hope that somebody on the other end with be responsive, after all the Jews are civilized. ;)

      Your fate and faith in America will be the same as those Jews in 1938, not necessarily in the same manner but the end results will be comparable. Every Jew in America can be armed to the teeth and it won’t save them should a real need for their use materialize. You are too few, too unconnected and unorganized and the basic mentality of physical self defense individually and collectively is non existent

      The eventual fate of American Jewry is already materializing.

      Bye Bye!!.

    5. CuriousAmerican says:

      in effect, that one should never let a dead child go to waste if one can exploit him or her for political gain.

      To be fair, the Arabs use dead children all the time, whether really dead or not.

      Even the Israelis used Shalhavet Pas.

      Standard Political ploy.

    6. Laura says:

      @ yamit82:

      Go out in the street and stop any 100 people at random, ask them if they ever heard of ‘Fast-&-Furious’ and if yes what they understand it to mean.

      Unfortunately Yamit is correct that most Americans likely have never heard of this, let alone know what it is.

    7. Laura says:

      @ yamit82:

      There does seem to be some parallels between Jews in Europe in 1938 and the Jews in America today. It has little to do with guns. Jews were not into guns then and are not so today. Guns for them then and now are symbols of violence and Jews are not into violence. Jews rely on the institutions of the countries they live in to protect them. They like to write articles and letters to everyone and hope that somebody on the other end with be responsive, after all the Jews are civilized.

      Agreed. American Jews have a pacifist mentality. And its safer for them to attack Pam Geller than to tackle the issue of islamic Jew-hatred.

    8. the phoenix says:

      CuriousAmerican Said:

      Even the Israelis used Shalhavet Pas.
      Standard Political ploy.

      you bastard antisemitie sob, you obviously have no shame whatsoever.

      in a civilized forum, ideas are being exchanged and debated. there is NOTHING here to debate (not with YOU anyway)…
      no matter what the subject is there comes the stinking american aggressing our olfactory nerve with his oh so predictable comment “yeah but you see… the jews / israelis did the same…”
      f**k you american!!!
      suffice it to say i wish upon you what i wish on the black musloid in the wh…

    9. CuriousAmerican says:

      @ the phoenix:

      @ CuriousAmerican:

      To be fair, the Arabs use dead children all the time, whether really dead or not.

      Even the Israelis used Shalhavet Pas.

      Standard Political ploy.

      f**k you american!!!
      suffice it to say i wish upon you what i wish on the black musloid in the wh…

      You ignored the line where I linked the the Mohammed al-Dura Fraud, and called it out.

      Your anger is irrational, and selective.

      But your language says it all.

      As a matter of face, there is no political cause, right or wrong, which does not use dead children.

    10. the phoenix says:

      CuriousAmerican Said:

      Your anger is irrational, and selective.
      But your language says it all.

      it is called talking from the heart, you pretentious hypocrite american antisemite.
      and i stand by each and every one of my words that i post.
      ESPECIALY to you!

    11. CuriousAmerican says:

      @ the phoenix:
      it is called talking from the heart, you pretentious hypocrite american antisemite.
      and i stand by each and every one of my words that i post.
      ESPECIALY to you!

      You are delusional.

    12. dweller says:

      @ yamit82:

      “Go out in the street and stop any 100 people at random, ask them if they ever heard of ‘Fast-&-Furious’…”

      A meaningless proposal.

      Any 100 people confronted on the street at random don’t typically take the initiative to register to vote — let alone, go to the polls on Election Day.

      — (If they do go to the polls at all, it’s not usually under their own power, but only upon having been dragged there by somebody’s GOTV operation.)

      If they ARE even registered to vote, they’re known, delicately, as L.I.V’s ["low-information voters"].

      If you’d said, “go out on the street and stop any 100 probable voters, and ask about ‘Fast-&-Furious’…” — then I might be more willing to hear your case, Yamit.

      More significantly though, while there may well be a lot of people who don’t know the expression “Fast-&-Furious,” there are among them considerable numbers who do retain the memory — despite MSM efforts to play it down — of a government gun-running operation to Mexico that got caught with its pants down after culminating in the death of a U.S. federal agent (among many others) at the barrel of those very firearms.

      The point is that whether such persons know the connection between the name attached to the scandal and the actual outrage itself is immaterial to the point:

      They know that the govt is indeed capable of creating false situations for the sake of manipulating public opinion.

      — The credibility of the proposition (and particularly as regards the matter of firearms use & possession) is no longer beyond the pale.

      It’s the reason why the “Sandy Hook hoax” stories get such play.

      My challenge to you… Then when you have the results take your stupid theories and shove em where the sun don’t shine.”

      You don’t issue ‘challenges,’ Yamit.

      You issue curses.

      It figures.

    13. dweller says:

      @ CuriousAmerican:

      “…suffice it to say i wish upon you what i wish on the black musloid in the wh…”

      “You ignored the line where I linked the the Mohammed al-Dura Fraud, and called it out. Your anger is irrational, and selective.”

      His anger is not selective here, Curio. He was reacting to your presuming (implicitly) to equate the two incidents [the al-Dura fraud & the Shalhevet Pas murder]. If it was not your INTENT to equate them, you could have done a better job of making your intentions known.

      “But your language says it all.”

      His language simply says he’s got a great reservoir of hostility in him, and which was present long before you ever showed up (and, doubtless, long before this website ever existed).

      But your using that observation (regarding his language) to ‘summarize’ his comment amounts here to nothing more than just another attempt to dismiss him.

      It may be sheer speculation on my part, but if I were a betting man, I’d wager the mortgage that it was similarly dismissive incidents in his background that helped generate & store the massive lake of bile in him that spills over from time-to-time when triggered by these exchanges. One man’s opinion, of course.

      All-the-same though, the net effect of this will be to reinforce his rage — hardly to make him question it.

      “As a matter of face, there is no political cause, right or wrong, which does not use dead children.”

      Strictly an assumption on your part, Curio

      — one which you make not because you ‘know’ it for a fact to be so, but only because you cannot conceive it to NOT be the case.

    14. the phoenix says:

      @ dweller:
      dear dweller,
      i read your reply to the american, and not because it’s an open forum, but since i happen to be the ‘subject discussed’…allow me to interject and to add my input.

      not unlike dionysis or devolin,i am TRULY amazed at your patience and zen-like approach and your capacity to dwellerize (a term i have coined)any exchange. by deconstructing an exchange and reshuffling the components that made the ‘whole’ exchange you are coming up with admittedly interesting hybrids. many a time i would read some of your comments and nod my head,saying ‘well, i never thought of it THIS way’….

      since discovering it, i am reading mr belman’s blog daily and ocasionally, fwiw, i would make a comment in general or have an exchange with another poster. there are so many of us here that TRULY enrich the forum… and generously provide links to articles, videos, and take incredible amounts of time and at incredible hours to reply and rebut…
      it is a true treasure to read some of the personal annecdotes of some wonderful posters who are annonymous, yet, they have a very distinctive screen presence and elicit different reactions.

      in the case of the american…it is visceral. he personifies the ‘enlightened antisemite’ that in a cowardly way is justifying his hatred for the jews by pretending to be ‘curious’ and ‘fair and balanced’…
      i have more respect for a musloid imam that is encouraging his congregation of savage retards to kill me BECAUSE I AM A JEW (because at least he is honest and he says it as it is)…the AMERICAN, otoh, never misses a thread, that is talking about ANY ACT OF BARBARISM committed by the musloids, to appear and comment his usual shhhhstuff “yes, but look here….the jews / israelis did the same in _________ ”

      i ASSURE you that the language that i address the american with, is the correct one to use with this american AND HIS ILK.
      some people believe in winning hearts and minds and when they don’t succeed, they double their efforts…
      i have a much more simplistic outlook…

      i could discuss a clinical challenge with a colleague. “i would use approach ‘a’, why are you using approach ‘b’?”
      here we could LEARN from each other (wow. i never thought of that!)
      but once again as far as the american goes, his intent is to put down the jew, to show how barbaric a jew could be …just like the fake people to whose defense he is right there, like a swiss clock…
      so in summary, my dear dweller….qu’il mange la merde l’hostie de tabarnak!!!

    15. yamit82 Said:

      Jews rely on the institutions of the countries they live in to protect them.

      That didn’t work out too well in Germany, but the Jews in places like New York City are under the same delusion–even though the police didn’t answer emergency calls while Al Sharpton’s people were trashing Crown Heights. (Sort of like the Night of the Broken Glass.) The Democrats Jews in question nonetheless still vote for anti-gun leftists like Jerrold Nadler, Charles Schumer, Andrew Cuomo, and so on.

    16. yamit82 says:

      dweller Said:

      A meaningless proposal.

      The only thing meaningless here are your inane comments. You did not limit or mention actual voters in your comment nor was it implied contextually, not that it would change the results of any poll.

      You made a categorical statement that I shot down and now as you usually do; rather than admit you were wrong, you try to weasel out by injecting that which was never said or intended. You are a well oiled weasel.

    17. the phoenix says:

      @ dweller:

      on January 30, 2013 at 8:27 pm i replied to the curious american (ys), where i quoted from a comment he made.
      what ensued, was a ‘typical’ ca: “yes but the jews also….” crap countered by ‘typical’ phoenix: “american, you are an anti-semite bastard” etc.
      as it is an open forum, you showed up, and took upon yourself to analyze me and my motives (I guess time was of the essence and you did not go all the way back into my childhood or any other similar shssstuff… sarc/off)and to reply to the american with that kind benevolent
      allknowing tone of yours about my motives, and also to point out to the american where he may be wrong (tsk tsk american… we don’t DO that…good boy, good boy, american….)
      i have answered a fairly long detailed and POLITE reply to you about this particular exchange to which you did not reply.

      i have posted yet another comment directed to you on the “Israel must pull out of settlement..UN “ thread… where i have quoted from your comment about the american “My inclination is to give the 2 varieties of adversaries — bastards & ignoramuses — the occasion to sift themselves out for me” wondering what was your position on that.

      basically, I was not looking for a ‘cyberconfrontation’ but you have entered into this exchange, made a comment and went awol.

      now i see that just a few hours earlier, you have posted a comment to yamit (on the “PM said he’d ok pali state thread” ) but as of now, you did not find the time or the courtesy of a reply to me.

      I can definitely see why yamit made this comment to you :

      yamit82 Said:

      You are a well oiled weasel.

    18. the phoenix says:

      dweller Said:

      if I were a betting man, I’d wager the mortgage that it was similarly dismissive incidents in his background that helped generate & store the massive lake of bile in him that spills over from time-to-time when triggered by these exchanges.

      were that to be truly so… you would be evicted dweller, since that mortgage-bet would be lost.
      trust me, i am a very happy-go-lucky guy.
      the ‘bile’ that you have referred to, is strictly reserved for antisemites such as this american with whom you were discussing me…
      and just like he does not miss an opportunity to start his moral equivalency shtik here, on israpundit, (yes, the musloids have just ______ BUT did you know that the jews have also _______??”) i shall keep pointing out his hypocrisy and underlying antisemitic current that his comments have.

    19. dweller says:

      @ yamit82:

      “The spate of articles that have hit the cybersphere regarding the claim that Sandy Hook may have been a ‘hoax’ is most instructive. While the notion that that outrage was a put-up job is hard to swallow, there’s a reason WHY it’s made as much headway as it has: Increasing numbers of the people have come to realize — in the wake of Fast-&-Furious — that this Administration is entirely capable of such productions.”

      “Go out in the street and stop any 100 people at random, ask them if they ever heard of ‘Fast-&-Furious’…”

      “A meaningless proposal… If you’d said, ‘go out on the street and stop any 100 probable voters, and ask about ‘Fast-&-Furious’ — then I might be more willing to hear your case…”

      “You did not limit or mention actual voters in your comment nor was it implied contextually…”

      I mentioned voters only in response to your kneejerk demand that I do the man-in-the-street gambit.

      But man-in-the-street forays tell you only that the man-in-the-street is a shlimazl who couldn’t tell you the name of the Vice President. Hannity used to conduct them weekly; the results were always amusing at best; outrageous at worst.

      They tell you nothing about the state of active & engaged public opinion.

      — I didn’t mention voters in my original comment, because there are substantially better indicia to active public opinion; talk radio, for one.

      “You made a categorical statement…”

      You bet I did, and it was right on the money; I stand by it foursquare.

      “… that I shot down…”

      In your smoke-beclouded fantasy world, I’m sure it went down in flames.

      But in the real world I was right, all-the-same.

      I repeat:
      The reason that fanciful tales like “Sandy Hook hoax” stories get the play they do is that the public recalls that the govt TRIED to “set up” the domestic firearms industry by running guns to Mexico, so they could “track” the guns and then generate a ‘public outcry’ to shut down the firearms industry in order ‘to keep guns from getting to the drug cartels.’

      The people may not remember the catchy name it was given — or the connection to the name — as the media (BHO’s obsequious cheering section) moved heaven-&-earth to play it down. — But they DO recall the incident ITSELF, and they know the govt is quite capable of it.

      The scheme backfired when a US Federal agent was killed with one of those guns.

      But the govt had its propaganda machine all oiled up & ready to run when things Went South (to coin a phrase).

      — That’s why the machine practically busted out almost immediately when the Sandy Hook story broke (and hasn’t quit since). It was already assembled & sitting on the shelf; waiting to be taken down & put into play.

      The US public is building up a good head of steam in re this Administration’s capacity for duplicity & deceit in its attempt to disarm the populace.

    20. dweller says:

      @ the phoenix:

      “i have answered a fairly long detailed and POLITE reply to you about this particular exchange to which you did not reply.”

      My online time is very limited; I don’t get to read all posts — let alone, respond to as many as I might like to. I usually have to skip most of the articles altogether.

      That being said, it seems to me that I’ve replied to several of your posts, phoenix.

      If you think I’ve missed one, why not simply identify it instead of kvetching over it?

      If the posting period hasn’t yet expired, and if it includes matters that I’ve left unsaid in other posts to you, I’ll try addressing it.

      (It’s ALSO possible that I already DID reply but it’s in spam or moderation. Lots of my stuff goes there before it shows up online.)

      “I can definitely see why yamit made this comment to you: ‘You are a well oiled weasel’.”

      With all due respect, phoenix, you have no clue as to why Yamit wrote that.

      You’re just angry (you usually are), and that provided you an easy outlet for it.

      Yamit, OTOH, made the remark not because he ‘believes’ it

      — but because he NEEDS to believe it.

      And that, I assure you, is a bite of a whole different bagel.

    21. dweller says:

      @ the phoenix:

      “[I]f I were a betting man, I’d wager the mortgage that it was similarly dismissive incidents in [phoenix's] background that helped generate & store the massive lake of bile in him that spills over from time-to-time when triggered by these exchanges.”

      “trust me, i am a very happy-go-lucky guy.”

      That may be so — on the surface.

      But that’s not what I’m talking about, boychik.

      Underneath, you’re an active volcano.

      “[Curio] does not miss an opportunity to start his moral equivalency shtik here, on israpundit”

      Did it never occur to you that people who go on moral equivalency trips might do so over lots of things in addition to Jews & Israel, etc?

      “the ‘bile’ that you have referred to, is strictly reserved for antisemites such as this american with whom you were discussing me…”

      Sorry, but there’s no such thing as “reserved” where that stuff is concerned. If it’s there, it’s there.

      You may prefer to think of it as earmarked that way, to give meaning & purpose to it.

      — But such things have a way of slipping out when least expected, and over matters utterly unrelated to their purported targets.

      Don’t kid yourself, phoenix, you won’t be in a position to deal with antisemites (even real ones) until you’ve got a handle on your rage.

      First things first.

      Everything else is sheer escapism.

    22. yamit82 says:

      dweller Said:

      Underneath, you’re an active volcano.

      That’s my line to you a few says or weeks ago? No attribution to Yamit either.

      “[Curio] does not miss an opportunity to start his moral equivalency shtik here, on Israpundit”

      True, No doubt about it.

      Did it never occur to you that people who go on moral equivalency trips might do so over lots of things in addition to Jews & Israel, etc?

      Never occurred to me as it’s irrelevant just like whether he wears matched socks or not. We know and judge him as You, by what he writes on this blog and we have no interest into what he writes to his mama, papa or his friendly ghost either.

      I think you have missed your calling that of being a community priest bets slumming out every day in somebody Else’s library and justifying it by saying his taxes pay for the equipment and staffing so it’s hi natural right. notice the selectivity

      dweller would need first of all to prove he paid taxes at all which I doubt, he must be dirt poor or an eccentric choosing not to own a computer
      in favor of one in a public domain. He might just be a paranoid afraid that Big Brother Government is out to get him and lock him up again.

      Nothing wrong or bad about being dirt poor happens to some of the best of us but in dwellers case it’s probably self inflicted as he has demonstrated here on this blog that as best he is an egoistical maniac and at worst insufferable compulsive bore. If he is like this writing anonymously, think how much worse he is in the flesh.
      dweller Said:

      “I can definitely see why yamit made this comment to you: ‘You are a well oiled weasel’.”

      With all due respect, phoenix, you have no clue as to why Yamit wrote that.

      Yes he does and since I wrote it I resent you intimating you know better than myself who wrote the damn thing, that’s really arrogantly stupid on your part.

      You’re just angry (you usually are), and that provided you an easy outlet for it.

      Nothing I wrote or have said should have brought out anger from Phoenix or anyone except you. Why you? because I keep showing how much your comments are so much an exercise on your part to prove how smart you are but haven’t fooled me for a sec.

      You haven’t learned that Trivia is no replacement for real knowledge

      Yamit, OTOH, made the remark not because he ‘believes’ it

      — but because he NEEDS to believe it.

      I do so ‘believe’ it and hereby do testify that you are no mystic nor accredited shrink. I have no need to believe that which comes naturally and that is that dweller is IMHO a lousy judge and evaluator of an-others character.

    23. yamit82 says:

      dweller Said:

      @ yamit82:
      “The spate of articles that have hit the cybersphere regarding the claim that Sandy Hook may have been a ‘hoax’ is most instructive. While the notion that that outrage was a put-up job is hard to swallow, there’s a reason WHY it’s made as much headway as it has: Increasing numbers of the people have come to realize — in the wake of Fast-&-Furious — that this Administration is entirely capable of such productions.”
      “Go out in the street and stop any 100 people at random, ask them if they ever heard of ‘Fast-&-Furious’…”
      “A meaningless proposal… If you’d said, ‘go out on the street and stop any 100 probable voters, and ask about ‘Fast-&-Furious’ — then I might be more willing to hear your case…”
      “You did not limit or mention actual voters in your comment nor was it implied contextually…”
      I mentioned voters only in response to your kneejerk demand that I do the man-in-the-street gambit.
      But man-in-the-street forays tell you only that the man-in-the-street is a shlimazl who couldn’t tell you the name of the Vice President. Hannity used to conduct them weekly; the results were always amusing at best; outrageous at worst.
      They tell you nothing about the state of active & engaged public opinion.
      — I didn’t mention voters in my original comment, because there are substantially better indicia to active public opinion; talk radio, for one.
      “You made a categorical statement…”
      You bet I did, and it was right on the money; I stand by it foursquare.
      “… that I shot down…”
      In your smoke-beclouded fantasy world, I’m sure it went down in flames.
      But in the real world I was right, all-the-same.
      I repeat:
      The reason that fanciful tales like “Sandy Hook hoax” stories get the play they do is that the public recalls that the govt TRIED to “set up” the domestic firearms industry by running guns to Mexico, so they could “track” the guns and then generate a ‘public outcry’ to shut down the firearms industry in order ‘to keep guns from getting to the drug cartels.’
      The people may not remember the catchy name it was given — or the connection to the name — as the media (BHO’s obsequious cheering section) moved heaven-&-earth to play it down. — But they DO recall the incident ITSELF, and they know the govt is quite capable of it.
      The scheme backfired when a US Federal agent was killed with one of those guns.
      But the govt had its propaganda machine all oiled up & ready to run when things Went South (to coin a phrase).
      — That’s why the machine practically busted out almost immediately when the Sandy Hook story broke (and hasn’t quit since). It was already assembled & sitting on the shelf; waiting to be taken down & put into play.
      The US public is building up a good head of steam in re this Administration’s capacity for duplicity & deceit in its attempt to disarm the populace.

      You never mentioned voters when you made that comment never in the past or present. Adding voters in this instance won’t help you either as it might be possible that non voters in America are smarter more street wise and honest than your average voter.

      The people may not remember the catchy name it was given — or the connection to the name — as the media (BHO’s obsequious cheering section) moved heaven-&-earth to play it down. — But they DO recall the incident ITSELF, and they know the govt is quite capable of it.

      Learned from Jew Hating and Jew Baiting R.Reagan and quickly forgotten. Sorry it seems to me it’s you who has a definite need to believe this crap you spit not me and it quite a fantasy that you have created in your own mind. “There is a fifth dimension beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity. It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition, and it lies between the pit of man’s fears and the summit of his knowledge. This is the dimension of imagination.”

    24. yamit82 says:

      dweller Said:

      @ yamit82:

      The reason that fanciful tales like “Sandy Hook hoax” stories get the play they do is that the public recalls that the govt TRIED to “set up” the domestic firearms industry by running guns to Mexico, so they could “track” the guns and then generate a ‘public outcry’ to shut down the firearms industry in order ‘to keep guns from getting to the drug cartels.’
      The people may not remember the catchy name it was given — or the connection to the name — as the media (BHO’s obsequious cheering section) moved heaven-&-earth to play it down. — But they DO recall the incident ITSELF, and they know the govt is quite capable of it.
      The scheme backfired when a US Federal agent was killed with one of those guns.
      But the govt had its propaganda machine all oiled up & ready to run when things Went South (to coin a phrase).
      — That’s why the machine practically busted out almost immediately when the Sandy Hook story broke (and hasn’t quit since). It was already assembled & sitting on the shelf; waiting to be taken down & put into play.
      The US public is building up a good head of steam in re this Administration’s capacity for duplicity & deceit in its attempt to disarm the populace.

      You never mentioned voters when you made that comment never in the past or present. Adding voters in this instance won’t help you either as it might be possible that non voters in America are smarter more street wise and honest than your average voter.

      The people may not remember the catchy name it was given — or the connection to the name — as the media (BHO’s obsequious cheering section) moved heaven-&-earth to play it down. — But they DO recall the incident ITSELF, and they know the govt is quite capable of it.

      Learned from Jew Hating and Jew Baiting R.Reagan and quickly forgotten.

      Sorry it seems to me it’s you who has a definite need to believe this crap you spit not me and it quite a fantasy that you have created in your own mind. “There is a fifth dimension beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity. It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition, and it lies between the pit of man’s fears and the summit of his knowledge. This is the dimension of imagination.”

    25. dweller says:

      @ yamit82:

      “Underneath, [phoenix is] an active volcano.”

      “That’s my line to you a few says or weeks ago? No attribution to Yamit either.”

      No reason for attribution. I wasn’t quoting.

      I was making a direct observation of my own. (And for the record, it was a spot-on accurate one.)

      “Did it never occur to you that people who go on moral equivalency trips [like Curio] might do so over lots of things in addition to Jews & Israel, etc?”

      “Never occurred to me as it’s irrelevant…”

      No; it never occurred to you because you haven’t got the sense God gave a gerbil.

      If Curio goes on moral equivalency trips only in re Israel & Jewish matters, that’s one thing.

      But if he does the moral equaivalency thing over myriad OTHER matters as well, then it’s not ‘irrelevant,’ because in that case it wouldn’t necessarily BE a ‘Jewish’ thing with him.

      — Something else would, then, be in play that leads him to do that stuff. Maybe a pathology of sorts, but not a particularly judeopathic one.

      “…slumming out every day in somebody Else’s library…”

      It’s not ‘somebody else’s library.’ It’s part of a public university in the town where I live.

      There are also county public libraries that I use.

      “notice the selectivity”

      “Selectivity”? — I’ve no idea what you’re talking about here. (I wonder if you do either.)

      “dweller would need first of all to prove he paid taxes at all…”

      Why would I ‘need’ to prove anything at all? — are you honestly so full of yourself, Yamit, as to assume it matters to me what YOU think about anything?

      “He might just be a paranoid afraid that Big Brother Government is out to get him and lock him up again.”

      Oh, right.

      If I wasn’t afraid of Big Brother locking me up before — I refused to leave the prison under my own power, even when the Supreme Court ordered me released — then why would I be afraid of being locked up now?

      “If he is like this writing anonymously, think how much worse he is in the flesh.”

      Or how much better. . . .

      But the truth is that everybody is anonymous online.

      ANYBODY can use a real-sounding name.

      If I signed in under “Archie Leach” or “William Sydney Porter” or “Robert Zimmerman,” it would be NO LESS anonymous. That’s the nature of the medium.

      You know. . . . you’re really reaching, pancho. . . .

    26. dweller says:

      @ yamit82:

      “With all due respect, phoenix, you have no clue as to why Yamit wrote that.”

      “Yes he does…”

      Really? — and how, then, would YOU know what HE does or doesn’t know?

      “…and since I wrote it I resent you intimating you know better than myself who wrote the damn thing…”

      Not ‘intimating.’ I’m telling you, flat-out.

      (Think I’ve been reading your mail, yahnkele?)

      “You’re [phoenix] just angry (you usually are), and [Yamit's cheap shots] provided you an easy outlet for it.”

      “Nothing I wrote or have said should have brought out anger from Phoenix or anyone except you.”

      He was angry because I didn’t respond fast enough to one of his tirades against Curio, and your cheap shots at me afforded him an opportunity to pile on.

      — It’s the herd instinct that brings out the coward in a man.

      He implicitly asked for your support — and you gave it — in return for his.

      A couple of emotional drunks holding each other up.

      You can BOTH do better.

    27. dweller says:

      @ yamit82:

      “…['Intimating' that I know Yamit better than he knows himself is] really arrogantly stupid on your part.”

      No it isn’t, Yamit. It’s the stone cold truth; your shticklakh are transparent.

      You’re as easy to read as a Barbasol Billboard in the first lane of traffic.

      What’s more, as long as you resent me for what I see and say, you will CONTINUE to labor under a “curse” of sorts that won’t let go of you, no matter what you do or say.

      Yet even if I were dead wrong (and I’m not wrong, but even if I WERE), it’s precisely your resentment of me — and nothing else — that fixates you to what I say. Give up your resentment, and you’ll be free.

      Not until. Not unless.

      It’s just that simple; really.

      “I keep showing how much your comments are so much an exercise on your part to prove how smart you are…”

      Candidly, I welcome your jibes & barbs & even your cheap shots — because they force me to examine myself. But as for trying to ‘prove’ how ‘smart’ I am? — no sale

      — why would I do a thing like that in an anonymous venue? — where’s the ‘credit’ in being ‘smart’ when one’s name isn’t known?

      For all your racking of your brain to get a handle on me, you simply haven’t thought this through.

      “You haven’t learned that Trivia is no replacement for real knowledge…”

      YOU haven’t learned that knowledge (even “real” knowledge) is no substitute for understanding.

      “Yamit… made the remark [that dweller is a 'weasel'] not because he ‘believes’ it — but because he NEEDS to believe it.”

      “I do so ‘believe’ it”

      I didn’t say you didn’t believe it. (You were too upset to read it carefully; too high on your own adrenaline.)

      I said you didn’t make the remark because you believed it

      — but that you made the remark because you NEEDED to believe it. I stand by that.

      You DO need to believe me a ‘weasel.’

      — You may or may not actually BELIEVE it. Far more significant is that you need to believe it; your own ego structure depends on such conceits.

      But you’re most welcome to believe it, yahnkele; doesn’t affect me one way or the other (and tells me a good bit more about PresentCompany).

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