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February 19, 2013

The Holocaust didn’t occur because of Hitler but because of the Church.

By Ted Belman

The Holocaust didn’t occur because of Hitler but because of the Church. Hitler merely built upon the policies of the Church and drove them to their logical conclusion.

Of course I am familiar the idea that but for Christianity, the holocaust wouldn’t have happened but wasn’t fully aware of the debt owed by Hitler to precedents set by the Church or the details of his policies, including the final solution.

R. Hilberg’s classic The Destruction of European Jews provides the link. Hilberg begins his introduction with these words:

    The German destruction of the European Jews was a tour de force; the Jewish collapse under the German assault was a manifestation of failure. Both of these phenomena were the final product of an earlier age.
    Anti-Jewish policies and anti-Jewish actions did not have their beginning in 1933. For many centuries, and in many countries, the Jews have been victims of destructive action. What was the object of these activities? What were the aims of those who persisted in anti-Jewish deeds? Throughout Western history, three consecutive policies have been applied against Jewry in its dispersion.


The policies referred to included 1) conversion, 2) expulsion and 3) extermination. The first and second were often accompanied by the threat of execution; all of which were sanctioned by the Church.

Hilberg explains:

    The first anti-Jewish policy started in the fourth century after Christ in Rome. In the early 300’s, during the reign of Constantine, the Christian Church gained power in Rome, and Christianity became the state religion. From this period, the state carried out Church policy. For the next twelve centuries, the Catholic Church prescribed the measures that were to be taken with respect to the Jews. Unlike the pre-Christian Romans, who claimed no monopoly on religion and faith, the Christian Church insisted upon acceptance of Christian doctrine.
    For an understanding of Christian policy toward Jewry, it is essential to realize that the Church pursued conversion not so much for the sake of aggrandizing its power (the Jews ?have always been few in number) but because of the conviction that it was the duty of true believers to save unbelievers from the doom of eternal hellfire. Zealousness in the pursuit of conversion was an indication of the depth of faith. The Christian religion was not one of many religions, like other religions. It was the true religion, the only religion. Those who were not in its fold were either ignorant or in error. The Jews could not accept Christianity.

The same might be said of Islam though it allowed Jews and Christians, “people of the book”, to be dhimmis and pay a tax, Jizya”, for the privilege. The Church also imposed a similar tax on Jews.

    In the very early stages of the Christian faith, many Jews regarded Christians as members of a Jewish sect. The first Christians, after all, still observed the Jewish law. They had merely added a few non-essential practices, such as baptism, to their religious life. But this view was changed abruptly when Christ was elevated to Godhood. The Jews have only one God. That God is indivisible. He is a jealous God and admits of no other Gods. He is not Christ, and Christ is not He. Christianity and Judaism have since been irreconcilable. An acceptance of Christianity has since signified an abandonment of Judaism.
    With patience and persistence, the Church attempted to convert obstinate Jewry, and for twelve hundred years, the theological argument was fought without interruption. The Jews were not convinced. Gradually the Church began to back its words with force. The Papacy did not permit pressure to be put on individual Jews; Rome never permitted forceful conversions.
    However, the clergy did use pressure on the whole. Step by step, but with ever widening effect, the Church adopted “defensive” measures against its passive victims. Christians were “protected” from the “harmful” consequences of intercourse with Jews by rigid laws against intermarriage, by prohibitions of discussions about religious issues, by laws against domicile in common abodes. The Church “protected” its Christians from the “harmful” Jewish teachings by burning the Talmud and by barring Jews from public office.

And yet it is the Jews who are always attacked for their separateness.

    The clergy was not sure of its success – hence the widespread practice, in the Middle Ages, of identifying proselytes as former Jews, hence the inquisition of new Christians suspected of heresy, hence the issuance in Spain of certificates of “purity” (limpieza) signifying purely Christian ancestry, and the specification of half new Christians, quarter new Christians, one-eighth new Christians, etc.

Thus Hitler’s racial purity laws found their antecedent and precedent in these laws. And so did his order that Jews identify themselves by wearing a yellow Star of David.

Efforts to convert the Jews were spectacularly unsucessful, even aided by all the restrictions placed on the Jews.

    Too much had been invested in twelve hundred years of conversion policy. Too little had been gained. From the thirteenth to the sixteenth centuries, the Jews of England, France, Germany, Spain, Bohemia and Italy were presented with ultimatums which gave them no choice but one: conversion or expulsion.

In 1542 Martin Luther rejected the authority of Rome and started the Lutheran Church. He and others who broke away from Rome became known as Protestants. There followed hundreds of years of war between Catholics and Protestants.

At the end of the Eighteenth Century, the French Revolution took place, a by-product of which was the liberation of the French Jews who thereafter enjoyed equal rights. The armies of the revolution, headed by Napoleon, spread the values of “liberte, fraternite and egalite” to the east, including in Germany and Italy. With the defeat of Napoleon in 1815, the Bourbons in France kept the liberating legislation but the monarchs in Germany and Italy cancelled it. Nevertheless, Jews embraced the belief, after a taste of liberation, that full equality was the inevitable corollary of the emerging secular-political order throughout Europe. In Germany Reform Judaism was founded and in Russia and Poland, Jews flocked to the Communist banner.

But many segments of society remained deeply antisemitic leaving many Jews to conclude that the promise of “liberte, fraternite and egalite” was a pipe dream even though the society was now secular. And so was born the the movement for the Auto Emancipation of the Jews which became known as Zionism. Jews had to reconstitute themselves as a nation.

In Christian Europe, the Jews had only to convert to be accepted. Thus the Christians were against the practise of Judaism. In secular Europe, the Jews themselves were rejected as a race. Thus conversion was not open to them. But expulsion or emigration was still available. Thus millions of Jews the Pale of Settlement beginning in 1880 emigrated well into the nineteen thirties. Hitler searched in vain for a country to expel Germany’s Jews to but no one wanted them. In 1942 he instituted the final solution, extermination.

R. Hiberg in his masterful study, argues:

    if we analyze that singular massive upheaval, we discover that most of what happened in those 12 years, 1933 to 1945, had already happened before. The Nazi destruction process did not come out of a void, it was the culmination of a cyclical trend beginning in the Fourth Century in Rome.

During the conversion era, the Church said, “you have no right to live among us as Jews”. Then in the segregation/expulsion process, “you have no right to live among us” and finally in the extermination process, “you have no right to live”.

    These progressively more drastic goals brought in their wake a slow and steady growth of anti Jewish action and anti-Jewish thinking…. The German Nazis then, did not discard the past, they built upon it. They did not begin a development, they completed it. In the deep recesses of anti-Jewish history we shall find many of the administrative and psychological tools with which the Nazis implemented their destruction process. In the hollows of the past we shall also discover the roots of the characteristic Jewish response to an outside attack.

To better understand this statement, Hilberg presents a table of Canonical Law restricting the Jews beginning in the Fourth Century opposite which he places similar Nazi measures.

Then writes:

    No summation of Canonical Law can be as revealing as a description of the Rome ghetto, maintained by the Papal State until the occupation of the city by the Royal Italian Army in 1870. A German journalist who visited the city in its closing days, published such an account:
    “To rent any house or business establishment outside the ghetto boundaries, the Jews needed the permission of Cardinal Vicar. Acquisition of real estate outside the ghetto was prohibited. Trade or industrial products or goods were prohibited. Higher schooling was prohibited.. The professions of lawyer, druggist, notary, painter and architect were prohibited. A Jew could be a doctor provided he confined his practice to Jewish patients. No Jew could hold office. Jews were required to pay taxes like everyone else and, in addition, the following: 1) A yearly stipend for the upkeep of the Catholic officials who supervised the Ghetto Finance Administration and the Jewish Community Organization, 2) A yearly sum of 5250 lira for Casa Pia for missionary work among Jews, 3) A yearly sum of 5250 lira to the Cloister of the Converted for the same purpose. In return the Papal State expended a yearly sum of 1500 lira for welfare work. But no state money was paid for education or the care of the sick.”

Hiberg also provided a table of Pre-Nazi and Nazi Anti-Jewish Measures. As can be seen, the destructive process was at work in Germany long before the Nazis came to power.

But all this in no way is meant to excuse Hitler.

After the holocaust the manifestation of antisemitism became very subdued. It was not cool to express such feelings in any way. Unfortunately, the haters began expressing the antisemitism as anti-Zionism. These expression are now common place and the hatred of Israel is growing exponentially. As a result the movement to exterminate Israel has become very strong.

But we Jews will survive that too.

Posted by Ted Belman @ 11:06 pm | 371 Comments »



371 Responses to The Holocaust didn’t occur because of Hitler but because of the Church.

  1. Bernard Ross says:

    dweller Said:

    Bernard Ross:
    Ross said:
    “[S]pecifically what is it that convinces you to accept the narrative of the virgin birth?”
    Dweller said
    If you believe that man is as free today as he was on the day of Adam’s first disobedience (I don’t) — or if you DON’T believe that Evil has a direct, personal address (I do)…— then there can be no potential value for you in the Virgin Birth as an idea. I’d just be wasting our time to pursue it.

    I would agree that you have wasted our time coming to this conclusion

  2. Bernard Ross says:

    dweller Said:

    No, Michael. You may be, at some point. But not now…..You’re too full of your own anger & you know it. (And there’s lots MORE in there than even you are aware of.)

    Have I mentioned amateur psychologist? :)

  3. Bernard Ross says:

    dweller Said:

    His “Jew-baiting” (if indeed that’s what it is) affords me — and anybody else possessing the wherewithal, the presence of mind, and the inclination — the opportunity to CORRECT him; and so doing, occasionally educate the other readers of this blog

    Have I mentioned wannabe proffessor? :)

  4. Honey Bee says:

    @ dweller:
    @ Bernard Ross:
    @ Michael Devolin:
    @ yamit82:

    My Dear Friends: You are driving me from Judaism,today for Sabat I shall follow the Dina [Navaho} “Beauty Way”. Google the prayer “Walks in Beauty” .

  5. rongrand says:

    A STROLL DOWN MEMMORY LAND

    1. ayn reagan says:
    October 10, 2009 at 7:39 am

    As far as being anti-Catholic (Catholicism), any intelligent person who is pro-United States, pro-Israel, pro-Bible, is against the Roman Catholic Cult whose agenda aims to revive the unholy Roman Empire of the German Nation and seize Jerusalem for its crown.

    I am (very) pro-United States, (extremely) pro-Israel, (unequivocally) pro-Bible {Old Testament, that is}…
    …but I am not against the Roman Catholic Church, many of whose adherents are enthusiastic supporters of Israel.

    Where is your evidence that Catholics are plotting an Aryan Revival and confiscation of Jerusalem?
    Jews should not be fomenting anti-Catholic bigotry. It is bad enough for Hebrews to be endlessly targeted by bigots. Let’s not emulate those worthless bigots.

    Christians United For Israel is preparing a lobbying blitz of Congress to combat Obama’s anti-Israel jihad. Why exactly are we taking potshots at

    Christians? Doesn’t the Torah contain some pretty harsh admonitions against ingratitude?
    Our enemies are Muslim jihadists and their liberal Jewish fluffers.
    Never forget it.

    2. yamit82 says:
    October 10, 2009 at 12:02 pm

    Real name of David BenAriel is David Hoover, a Christian Zionist, a cultist believer in his Israelite European origins.
    Was arrested by Shabak for being involved in a plot to blow up the Mosques on the Temple Mount and subsequently deported from Israel and is now Persona non grata here. His Zeal in his beliefs have not dimmed since and is a prolific writer and blogger in support of Israel. While I believe him to be a first class fruit cake I am awed on occasion by his knowledge and real commitment to Israel. I place him in a different category of Christian Zionists and if you understand the difference then you will understand me.

    He is a follower of Herbert W Armstrong.

    The Philadelphia Church of God (PCG) regards itself as an international Christian denomination and is based in Edmond, Oklahoma. The Philadelphia Church of God was founded by Gerald Flurry and his assistant John Amos (1929-1993) and incorporated in the United States on December 20, 1989.

    This group traces its roots to the Worldwide Church of God, a split from the Church of God (Seventh-Day), founded by Herbert W. Armstrong and teaches a mixture of “Armstrongism” and “new revelation” which Flurry says God has shown to him since Armstrong’s death. It was founded by two former Worldwide Church of God ministers, allegedly to continue Armstrong’s teachings, which were repudiated by the Worldwide Church of God after its founder’s death in 1986.

    The church claims to be carrying on Armstrong’s legacy and “Raising the Ruins” of God’s one true church after the doctrinal changes made by new WCG leaders Joseph W. Tkach and his son Joseph Jr. The claims that Flurry is carrying on Armstrong’s legacy and has received new revelation are rejected by other WCG split-offs (See Gerald Flurry), who consider Flurry one of the false prophets Jesus warned (Mark 13:22) would arise in God’s church shortly before Christ’s return (www.pcog.info).

    The PCG sponsors a weekly television program, The Key of David, hosted by Gerald Flurry. The Philadelphia Trumpet is the church’s monthly news magazine.

    3. rongrand says:
    October 10, 2009 at 1:47 pm

    Ayn, your right and Uncle Nahum Catholics are not the enemy. You have to be careful of those who spread hate.
    They come in various shapes and sizes. They are anti-just about anything and everything, if you want to see a collection of them just take a gander at the gay parade in San Francisco, CA, Sad.

    Bottom line Israel doesn’t need supporters who spread hate for others, underneath it all they very well may be using you.

    4. yamit82 says:
    October 10, 2009 at 1:56 pm

    Ron I always separate the institutional Churches from the common practitioner. Individuals should be judged as individuals but the institutional Churches are their representative and therefore those that allow those institutions to speak in their name are not devoid or absolved of collective responsibility.

    I criticize my leaders and even my rabbis when I believe they are wrong and pursuing a path injurious to other Jews and endanger the state. I consider that criticism not only to be my democratic right but also a religious obligation.

    I would like to see Christians do the same.

    5. rongrand says:
    October 10, 2009 at 2:07 pm

    I would like to see Christians do the same.
    Uncle, I am with you on that.
    Like all institutions and our’s is no exception, have some old stiff’s who live in the dark ages and need to be put out to pasture.
    When you think about it we are all not far apart. We all believe in G-d/God and all children of Abraham and only respect for each other will bridge our relationships. We may differ in our beliefs, but we need not be at odds with one another. Hate doesn’t build bridges, understanding does. The good old nuns taught us to have respect for others and their faith.

    6. ayn reagan says:
    October 10, 2009 at 5:37 pm

    The good old nuns taught us to have respect for others and their faith.
    And from what I understand, they did not observe the Geneva Conventions while doing so.
    The Catholic kids on my block were usually grasping their knuckles in extreme pain.

  6. yamit82 says:

    dweller Said:

    Apparently. (Now if we could just get him to digest it.)


    “— A LONG STRING OF ‘EM.”

    You seem to have a problem of clarity in your (Excessive) use of the English Language, in creating Gibberish, (form over substance!!) I, in view of that fact wanted to be as clear as possible using same English language to describe you personally and your specific method of transmittal.

    As for my ability to digest em? Of my many comments on this blog no one has ever complained about the clarity of my comments. Can’t say the same about you. BS’s I gobble up and spit em out.

  7. yamit82 says:

    rongrand Said:

    A STROLL DOWN MEMMORY LAND
    1. ayn reagan says:

    How time fly’s ron, but some things never change, only the players.

  8. Michael Devolin says:

    I’m done posting here for a while. This blog has been hijacked by the Telemarketer and the Good Doctor (but especially the Telemarketer) for the purpose of serving their Christian agenda, which is to missionize the Jewish people. The blog is supposed to be a forum for discussion about the State of Israel and the Jewish people, and it’s been transmogrified by the Telemarketer and the Good Doctor into an attack on Judaism and the Jewish Zionist movement.

  9. Honey Bee says:

    @ yamit82:

    While I saying my Beauty Way Prayer, I saw a shaddow pass by the door, and there was my little herd of deer. They grazed around the house peeked in the glass wall at me,coveting my house plants. Now they are sleeping,peacefully, out by the wind-mill. A lovey Sabat. I wish you the same.

  10. the phoenix says:

    @ Michael Devolin:
    DON’T JUMP MICHAEL!!!
    fwiw, and i am sure i speak for MANY, i/we LOVE your comments and insights (here and magic city)
    what the hell!
    both you, and dionissis were about to pull the same stunt because of the usual suspects…

  11. dweller says:

    @ Honey Bee:

    “[T]he Female creates, the male dystroys…”

    “Too easy, HB… Truth is, left to her own devices — as for example, in a single-mother home, without a father-figure to provide a modifying influence — a woman can OFTEN be (quite in spite of her intentions) very much a destroyer. . . .”

    “The male is the destroyer because he deserted his family [ against the laws of nature and natures G-d] and left them to their own devices forcing the female to take on the male role.”

    “No. The male role is not that of a destroyer.What I said above is that his role is that of a ‘modifying influence’. Kids are often too close to their mothers. They depend on her body & presence for the first years of life, and are literally their mother’s direct companion 24/7 for most of the first year of their existence. A father is needed to modify that influence, as it can be quite pernicious. The notion that being a man is about destroying, and being a woman is about creating — is simply a crock.”

    “Crock of what? “

    A crock of steaming, malodorous horse manure, my dear.

    “Sounds like you and your Mom didn’t get along?”

    LOLROF.

    Come off it, HB. You know that cannot assume that everything which somebody says that is contrary to what you expect

    — must necessarily come from personal projection. “Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.”

    (Actually I had a father for the first 4 decades of my life. My parents remained together & married to each other for that full time — and while I was growing up, he provided the essential modifying influence to which I alluded above.)

    If you truly believed that men are ‘destroyers,’ why would YOU have married one?

  12. yamit82 says:

    Honey Bee Said:

    @ yamit82:
    While I saying my Beauty Way Prayer, I saw a shaddow pass by the door, and there was my little herd of deer. They grazed around the house peeked in the glass wall at me,coveting my house plants. Now they are sleeping,peacefully, out by the wind-mill. A lovey Sabat. I wish you the same.

    Thanks Honey B, I have had the same experience both in the States and here in Israel. Awesome feeling!! For me such experiences are the true communion with the Big Boss.

    I wish you a Shabbat Shalom as well, time to recharge our battery’s.

  13. yamit82 says:

    Honey Bee Said:

    My Dear Friends: You are driving me from Judaism,today for Sabat I shall follow the Dina [Navaho} “Beauty Way”. Google the prayer “Walks in Beauty” .

    Kachinas Song:

    Through our eyes all forms of life are equally important. To us, we are simply one part woven into the Grand Creation. The Wind is our breath, the Sun our eyes, the Ocean Waves our heart beat, the Rivers and Streams our veins. Through our eyes we are no greater than the Wolf, the Butterfly, or even the Pine Tree. All Creation is connected to Us and We to It. We are One.


    The Trail of Tears – part one:
    Follow links top of the page to part 2

  14. Ted Belman says:

    @ Michael Devolin:
    I haven’t been following this thread but noticed your comment. Who is the Telemarketer and the Doctor?

  15. dweller says:

    @ Michael Devolin:

    Where is your honour?

    “My honour informs my self-control & self-possession; they have a dignified existence together, married to each other, in the same house. You cannot have the one without the other. They are inseparable. If you actually understood honour, Michael, you wouldn’t bristle so easily.”

    “Now you’re going to teach me about honour?”

    Apparently.

    After all, it was none other than YOURSELF who effectively asked me to— by raising the subject in the first place. (See the boldfaced remark above — where you opened the door.)

    “You don’t teach me about honour, Dweller. That’s where I teach you.”

    What you ‘teach’ me, Michael, is that I was right-on-the-money in noting [above] that the EVIDENCE that you really don’t conprehend the essence of honour is your ready inclination to bristle upon being challenged

    — an inclination compounded, it seems, when the subject is honour itself. True honour is the underpinning of self-possession.

    “You’re the guy who blows the Good Doctor, remember?”

    Your words degrade nobody but yourself. There is no doubt that you’ve gone thru these cycles before, Michael; many times, I suspect.

    “Don’t make me laugh.”

    No fear for that; laughing was the last thing on your mind when you wrote those words, and we both know it.

    “I’ve wasted my time trying to be friendly with you.”

    The “trying” part is always suspect — and it always turns out to be a waste.

    “I should have listened to Yamit…”

    Good, yes; keep telling him that — he needs to hear it.

    “… a real Jew.”

    He needs to have that confirmed too, even by gentiles.

    (Especially by gentiles.)

  16. yamit82 says:

    @ Honey Bee:

    “Treat the earth well. It was not given to you by your parents—it was loaned to you by your children.”
    (Indian proverb)

    Indian and Jewish wisdom have a lot in common.

    In tractate Ta’anit, the Talmud tells us about Honi Hame’agel,

    Once he was walking on the road, and he saw someone planting a carob tree. Honi said to him: This tree that you are planting, when will it bear fruit? The man answered: Seventy years from now. Honi retorted: Do you think you will be alive seventy years from now? The man responded: When I was born, I found a world full of carob trees. Just as my ancestors planted trees for me, so too, I plant for my children.”

  17. yamit82 says:

    @ Honey Bee:

    “Treat the earth well. It was not given to you by your parents—it was loaned to you by your children.”
    (Indian proverb)

  18. yamit82 says:

    Ted my comment to HB has been blocked by spam filter.

  19. dweller says:

    @ Michael Devolin:

    “This blog has been hijacked by the Telemarketer and the Good Doctor (but especially the Telemarketer) for the purpose of serving their Christian agenda, which is to missionize the Jewish people.”

    That’s slanderous garbage, Michael, and you know it.

    I rarely have enough time online to be able to read more than a couple articles & pack in some responses to them — let alone, ‘hijack’ ANYTHING.

    What’s more, I have NO agenda — let alone, a ‘christian’ one.

    And Curio seems to spend less time at this blog than I do.

  20. yamit82 says:

    dweller Said:

    @ Honey Bee:
    “[T]he Female creates, the male dystroys…”
    “Too easy, HB… Truth is, left to her own devices — as for example, in a single-mother home, without a father-figure to provide a modifying influence — a woman can OFTEN be (quite in spite of her intentions) very much a destroyer. . . .”
    “The male is the destroyer because he deserted his family [ against the laws of nature and natures G-d] and left them to their own devices forcing the female to take on the male role.”
    “No. The male role is not that of a destroyer.What I said above is that his role is that of a ‘modifying influence’. Kids are often too close to their mothers. They depend on her body & presence for the first years of life, and are literally their mother’s direct companion 24/7 for most of the first year of their existence. A father is needed to modify that influence, as it can be quite pernicious. The notion that being a man is about destroying, and being a woman is about creating — is simply a crock.”
    “Crock of what? “
    A crock of steaming, malodorous horse manure, my dear.
    “Sounds like you and your Mom didn’t get along?”
    LOLROF.
    Come off it, HB. You know that cannot assume that everything which somebody says that is contrary to what you expect
    — must necessarily come from personal projection. “Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.”
    (Actually I had a father for the first 4 decades of my life. My parents remained together & married to each other for that full time — and while I was growing up, he provided the essential modifying influence to which I alluded above.)
    If you truly believed that men are ‘destroyers,’ why would YOU have married one?

    Now you claim the mantel of guardian of the male gender? What is the male equivalent of feminist? MCP?

    A crock of steaming, malodorous horse manure, my dear.
    “Sounds like you and your Mom didn’t get along?”
    LOLROF.

    HB I think you hit a nerve, he doth protest much too much!!

  21. yamit82 says:

    dweller Said:

    What’s more, I have NO agenda — let alone, a ‘christian’ one.

    Liar Liar pants on fire!!!

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