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January 1, 2014

Bibi, don’t fall for this crap

By Ted Belman

For the first time PM says peace deal must take into account Israel’s ‘settlement interests’

    “Peace will come only when our security interests and, yes, also our settlement interests, will be ensured,”

He usually only stresses our security interests. Is this significant?

    State Department deputy spokeswoman Marie Harf referring during a press conference on Monday to reports that Kerry would push forward a “framework agreement,” said the US was working on a “framework for negotiations” that “would serve as guidelines for the permanent- status negotiation and would address all the core issues.”

    “I don’t know if I would use the word agreement,” she said. “I would use the term ‘proposed framework’ because it’s only a proposed framework at this point [and] would serve as guidelines for the permanent-status negotiations. This framework would address all the core issues.”

    The guidelines are widely expected to call for the establishment of a Palestinian state based on the pre-1967 lines, with mutually agreed land swaps, and for Palestinian recognition of Israel as the national home of the Jewish people.

Agreeing to a “proposed framework” would lock Israel into ’67 lines with swaps. Bibi should avoid this like the plague because by agreeing to it you automatically concede the balance of your territorial claim.

Secondly there is absolutely no justification to swap any land that we keep. Swaps imply that we must pay for what we keep. Not so. So swaps should be rejected out of hand.

As for recognition, I would recommend not giving up any land to get it. Its not worth it. I’d rather have land than recognition.

The NYT reports in Kerry to Press for ‘Framework’ Accord to Keep Mideast Peace Effort Moving

    The framework document is aimed at achieving enough of a convergence on core issues that the two sides can make headway toward a formal peace agreement leading to an independentPalestinian state. It is expected to be short, perhaps fewer than a dozen pages and without detailed annexes. It would not be signed by Israeli and Palestinian leaders and would most likely take note of reservations the two sides have about some elements, American officials said.

Tzipi Livni in Annapolis negotiations and now stated/states that “nothing is agreed until everything is agreed”. That’s what it should be though anytime we make an offer, the west do there damnest to prevent us from retracting it.

If we agree to a framework with or without signing we would be agreeing to something that we couldn’t pull back from.

Posted by Ted Belman @ 11:26 am | 14 Comments »

14 Responses to Bibi, don’t fall for this crap

  1. NormanF says:

    Ted,

    There is a report in Maariv, that Israel’s offer of land swaps would transfer Israel’s heavily Arab-populated areas to the PA in exchange for Israel being allowed to keep the Jewish settlement blocs. The crucial difference is in that the Israeli proposal the Arabs would not receive equivalent Jewish land apart from what would be transferred to them.

    I don’t see it going anywhere. The Arabs have no interest in a final settlement of the conflict and they’re not prepared to accept any arrangement that strengthens Israel’s Jewish demographic majority. It would make a significant difference if Israel had a 12% Arab minority as opposed to the 20% it has today. With more optimal swaps, that number could be reduced much further.

    Of course this is exactly what the Arabs don’t want. But it does help to expose the lie their objective is about securing Arab self-determination.

  2. yamit82 says:

    Who’s the Boss? :(

    Drucker of Israel TV channel 10 says BB will not announce new construction in compliance with demands by Kerry and Obama.

    Netanyahu condemns hero’s welcome for prisoners
    Celebrations of murderers’ release in West Bank and Gaza Strip undermine peace efforts, prime minister says

    Duh!! Who the hell released them???? Idiot!!!!!

    So we released murderers for nothing!!!! That’s adding salt to open wounds.

  3. bernard ross says:

    @ yamit82: I read someone who wrote he will announce when Kerry leaves. forgot the link.

  4. yamit82 says:

    bernard ross Said:

    @ yamit82: I read someone who wrote he will announce when Kerry leaves. forgot the link.

    I posted this somewhere, forget where
    Netanyahu to Declare New Housing after Kerry Leaves
    Building of 1,400 new homes was to be announced Tuesday but under US pressure, announcement was put off.

    We’ll see I am skeptical.

    Pressure building on Bennett to bolt the coalition from the right of his party. He is resisting but BB may force his hand.

  5. yamit82 says:

    @ bernard ross:
    Iraq Teeters on the Brink as Violence Reaches 5-Year High
    Renewed sectarian bloodshed on the increase as Iraq teeters ever-closer to all-out civil war.

    Report: Defense Ministry Rejects US Plan for Jordan Valley

    Maariv reports that Defense Ministry rejects US plans for Jordan Valley, based on security needs.

    Former Navy Head: Who Releases Terrorists With No Peace Deal?

    Former Navy chief Eliezer Marom criticizes government for releasing terrorists in what he calls a “political deal”.

  6. yamit82 says:

    @ bernard ross:
    Iraq Teeters on the Brink as Violence Reaches 5-Year High
    Renewed sectarian bloodshed on the increase as Iraq teeters ever-closer to all-out civil war.

    Report: Defense Ministry Rejects US Plan for Jordan Valley

    Maariv reports that Defense Ministry rejects US plans for Jordan Valley, based on security needs.

  7. yamit82 says:


    Former Navy Head: Who Releases Terrorists With No Peace Deal?

    Former Navy chief Eliezer Marom criticizes government for releasing terrorists in what he calls a “political deal”.


    Report: Defense Ministry Rejects US Plan for Jordan Valley

    Maariv reports that Defense Ministry rejects US plans for Jordan Valley, based on security needs.

  8. yamit82 says:

    yamit82 Said:

    bernard ross Said:

    @ yamit82: I read someone who wrote he will announce when Kerry leaves. forgot the link

    Ben-Ari: ‘Jewish Home Is Partner To Govt. of Blood’
    Former MK attacks Jewish Home for not bringing down coalition government to prevent release of 26 terrorist murderers.

  9. yamit82 says:

    @ yamit82:
    Lapid: Freeing Terrorists the Lesser Evil
    Finance Minister: America presented our options – and the others were worse

    Nobody seems to consider just saying NO!!!!

  10. honeybee says:

    yamit82 Said:

    Nobody seems to consider just saying NO!!!!

    Wanna bet!!!!!!!!!!!!!: http://youtu.be/VprmD6oXpFQ lyrics

  11. bernard ross says:

    yamit82 Said:

    Lapid: Freeing Terrorists the Lesser Evil

    Lapid is another of the many US Lap dogs, in this case a Lapid dog.

  12. jerrylaury says:

    bernard ross Said:

    @ yamit82: I read someone who wrote he will announce when Kerry leaves. forgot the link.

    Never mind when Kerry leaves.I would rather that Netanyahu leaves.

  13. honeybee says:

    yamit82 Said:

    we can be friends then?

    I can bee friends with you! and farmers! but Okies??? Never!!!

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